Warcraft RTS is DEAD... But these might be better!

[@Zade_95]

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[@lukewind13]

The fact that 2.0 of warcraft reforged had the content that was supposed to get us hyped for the initial launch is so horrifically mismanaged it almost comes across as deliberate.

[@MrRodrigues520]

Still missing interpolated animations. The game runs at 144fps but not the characters

[@ChiefCrewin]

It just feels like example #5829485 of the modern day gaming industry. Release u finished product to make money, fix later to spread out investment cost. Honestly, if Hollywood could patch movies the weight games can be (there are a couple notable examples) they would in a heartbeat.

[@Mossmyr]

What are you talking about? The new textures are still shit and new bugs have been introduced.

[@armelior4610]

It's funny how the Scouring artstyle looks more like Warcraft than Refudged... Godsworn looks like a mix of Age of mythology and Warcraft 3 and that's obviously a good thing

[@darkcyter]

"Refudged" 😂 Can I use it?

[@Sharpypus]

Not applicable to every company out there, but... when a company becomes a corporation, this is often the start of the end of quality products. The Scouring and Godsworn both look amazing, thanks for bringing them to our radar, I'll be wishlisting and picking both of these up!

[@TeslaDeCastaka]

Yes, because when Blizzard was buyed, mostly against the will of the members, they leave in mass, that happen just after finishing WoW and right before the delusional warcraft 3. The last one of the original dev leave some years ago.

[@MadsTrier]

The scouring is really good. 1. healing potions need a cooldown. 2. knights needs to be faster.

[@Defixio.]

warcraft 4 would be a live service hero shooter, wherein they cherry pick the most unpopular characters.

[@Zade_95]

do NOT give them ideas

[@theexile4694]

Blizzard died when Activision bought them.

[@Zade_95]

☠️

[@30Salmao]

And now with Microsoft is going throu a new age.

[@AdmiralBison]

*Full controller support* for PC RTS games please. It's quicker and accessible without a kb/m set up or desk. SteamDeck verifiable and *handheld* PCs are going to become massive in a few years.

[@DavidGlendaleArdenaso]

DotA 2 also has the potential to have RTS (custom games) if only Valve would just improve its support

[@KiltedCritic]

Warcraft 3 Reforged 2.0 is totally borked. 🙁 Went from 200 odd FPS before the rollout to now barely hitting 60, with tons of microstutter, even on singleplayer. Blizzard aren't even fronting up the resources to do this right, so there is indeed absolutely no hope for any new titles, but at this kind of "quality" from them, that's for the best anyway.

[@cpugwash7085]

Yeah, it's ridiculous. Save-load didn't even work properly in singleplayer when I last tried it, when you load in to campaign games there's frequently something messed up quite badly. That's such a basic thing, breaking it shows they've messed something up at a really fundamental level.

[@Freefall282]

Godsworn really looks like I would bee interested in once it hits 1.0.

[@Zade_95]

I think it'll be a good one!

[@pedrojustice]

both games have that brown realistic generic hue that just kills it for me. look at 5:14, how color makes everything pop and you know whats going on.

[@THAC0MANIC]

I think the major issue with modern day RTS Games is they do not understand about how to make a Proper Macromanagement system in there game, they focus 2 much on Micro, even SC2 Had this issue during WoL terran primary army comp was spamming the MMM Ball which only changed base on opponant and what they did, it was predictible in terms of Strat, but not predictible in terms of Micromanagement till Games can have decent Balance and good Macromanagement in there RTS among other things, They will not be good RTS games period.

[@lilpipe7162]

What are the best current current ones in ur opinion ?

[@Virmant0ff]

The scouring has AI assistant. It helps a lot.

[@Cawfeesomething]

I think they should add the option of adding squad formation into their assigned groups. Instead of a ball, the units can automatically space themselves out without clumping and form into v-formation squads or whatever.

[@CommanderBohn]

Agreed. WarCraft as an RTS game is dead. There is no hope that Blizzard would create a 4th game. Not in the state they are currently (nobody of the original old guard are around anymore, it's DEI infested, and much more), not with the current state of the setting (they would have to retcon WoW into an alternate timeline), nor with current corporate culture (DEI and shoving microtransactions even into single-player modes). In a perfect timeline, we could've had WarCraft 4 with 6 factions who have 6 heroes and have 6 sub-factions in the style of Kane's Wrath, with stuff like buildable and mannable walls (only Night Elves wouldn't build them and instead have thorns and bramble reinforcing their buildings and ancients) and naval units from WCII. Maybe even taking notes from Armies of Exigo and include an underground level where you can also build bases in and be spacious enough to allow flying units to enter. But nope. Nope at all. We instead get more WoW that is getting more ridiculous and stale with each expansion.

[@razorback9999able]

And that is why I hate the video game industry's consolidation into just a handful of familiar game franchises and accessible genres. The real reason why RTS games are not as popular as they seem anymore is because the average attention span of casual players are declining, thanks to the absolute, catastrophic disaster that is brainrot social media, that they prefer convenience and ease rather than real challenge. There weren't many developers of the youngest generations making RTS, so a WarCraft-styled RTS that lives up to it's title is very unlikely to happen.

[@CommanderBohn]

@@razorback9999able A sad and brutal truth this is and I must agree with it. I wish the olden days where internet culture was not like it is today remained and where people didn't have short attention spans. That and when activists didn't hijack the industry to consistently ruin everything we loved and cared about.

[@razorback9999able]

@@CommanderBohn The biggest crimes committed by the filthy rich is hijacking activist groups to warp the message into something that they only want, while redirecting the blame based on immutable characteristics. This is where all industries, not just video games start to suffer.

[@Arcodus]

I have played both of these and they have heart! The Scouring's AI is a bit too strong for me currently and the Orc factions Ogre is rather baby proportioned but I look forward to seeing more from it

[@AnthroTsuneon]

Modern RTS' war on colourful/artistic UI will never cease to disappoint me, but Scourge looks like it might be fun. Godsworn just isn't quite for me-- Not bad, but not for me-- But it's good that it's stimulating the market

[@SmogBot]

What are some turn based strategy for beginners? I only play real-time but looking to get into turn based too

[@jacksheldon8566]

Age of wonder planetfall & 4, homm3 & 5, Song of conquest. W40k Gladius. For more advanced play, you have civ6,

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

I swear Godsworn took some inspiration from Populous 3.

[@ronbelcher2707]

I left WoW 3 years ago and never looked back

[@badfoody]

i hope we can get even mods that would let us fight the wars in WoW. Draenor would be so sick as a Warcraft premise steampunk and all

[@KimHarderFog]

Godsworn looks (visually, style, camera, UI, etc) like the perfect match between Warcraft 3 and AoE 4

[@YurGa1980]

While I do want those indie games to succeed, I struggle to see how they could match wc3 (not the reforged one) quality in any aspect with such small teams. Heck even spellforce 3 and stuff like stormgate are plagued by typical rts pitfalls despite having much bigger teams (and couple of expansions in sf3 case).

[@securityostrich]

Thanks for covering these, as they are specifically the kind of rts many people are hoping for more of. There just hasn’t been anything like warcraft for a while. I tried godsworn and it looks really creative and promising but ultimately decided on a refund because there just isnt much game there yet. Will be looking again upon release though because what they have looks solid.

[@lostmarble540]

horses can't climb ladders. yet.

[@Zade_95]

😳

[@CorimKnight]

I hadn't heard about The Scouring before! It certainly looks great. There's a surprisingly dearth of Warcraft 3 style RTS games and that might end up filling that niche.

[@OrinThomas]

Remarkable achievements for such small dev teams

[@therealmcgoy4968]

The scouring looks good and i played the play test. It still needs a lot of work but I wish listed it.

[@Zade_95]

Yeah 100%. Great proof of concept though!

[@MSordernature]

Scouring's terrain looks amazing

[@Zade_95]

I know right! The death animations too are great, perfect Ragdolls imo

[@pedrocastro5514]

the Godsworn needs a liiiiittle more polishing and a little more variety to be perfect if you ask me xD I'm even fantasizing that, someday, they'll add a new faction, maybe actual demons or eldritch/lovecraftian cults, it would be Awesome XD but so far Is an awesome game! :D About the Scouring i've been watching some videos and so far looks pretty damn good, of course, needs to add more units and magic, and I think they need to work the artillery units a little, but so far looks awesome and incredibly promising as well :D great video!! nwn

[@DarkFlightStudios]

You should check out that new RTS Conquest of Eldinar, it's just like Warcraft 3 but with Action Combat and 16 Factions

[@tau2213]

So nothing like Warcraft 3, then.

[@darkcyter]

Waiting for The Scouring to fully launch, it has potential

[@Romanian901]

Can you check out Empire of the Ants? It's a casual but fun RTS/platformer game

[@meranmeran1045]

we need a good successor for dawn of war

[@chrisdude2675]

thanks for bringing awareness to these games

[@rayymondmorgan1697]

Blizzard wont make games that directly compete with their other games, StarCraft.

[@aleksitjvladica.]

Noooo! I accidentally clicked on the video! WarCraft III is of significant importance in my life!

[@danielp8433]

i really enjoyed the demo of songs of silence.

[@HoretzYT]

i started WC3 refunded a few days ago to try out a VS match (with old graphics), immediately as the match started it just felt off, not like the WC3 i played for years, dunno how they achieved that

[@hideshisface1886]

Showing turn based 4x with a deck building thrown in as an alternative to an RTS? Come on... Let's have some standards. It is tethering on proposing FIFA as an alternative to CoD because both games have humans in them. Godsworn looks more like it BUT... something to me feels off about it... It gives me very heavy mobile game vibes in the graphics style and extremely barren UI. I hope that my gut feeling is wrong... But it rarely is. That said... It is still early... so maybe they will polish these aspects up, as it looks somewhat interesting so far. That weird blend of Age of Mythology and Warcraft 3 might just work. Scouring... It gives me the same vibes, honestly, though admittedly it is very early in development. What is it with this weird infatuation with almost flat textures and washed out colours, and stupidly minimalistic UI for that matter? Seriously. It was prevalent in Age of Empires 4 and even Company of Heroes 3, and probably a dozen other games and care not to remember...

[@panixzir7754]

I played scouring love it just need zoom camera formations of units and undead for 3rd faction is easy to play and fun

[@BeeWaifu]

Diablo 4 restored faith? How? Everyone shits on it.

[@faridronin]

*some faith

[@Rachenviel]

No, it has Mostly positive on Steam.

[@Dan-jj2vr]

Warcraft is deader than disco

[@bezceljudzelzceljsh5799]

wc3 champions, check it out. I hear it's better ranked there.

[@BlackGold-fc7tu]

I can't keep up with my wishlist

[@kroooassant9899]

should try mechabellum

[@Claire_Ballard]

Absolutely no one should patronize blizzard after how they handeled their Sexual harassment cases. Despicable

[@wrymen]

Darfall game is also quite close to w3, mainly the hero part with equipment, abilities etc :)

[@Zade_95]

I'll have to look it up!

[@АндрейМилошевич]

8:48 but it's still plagiarism 😅

[@1wayroad935]

We just saw a bunch of game saying that they'll be better than StarCraft 2. All of them have just been bad versions of the game they want to take down. It would be hilarious if these games can't be at least as good as WarCraft 3.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

and its doubly funny since I personally don't think SC2 is very good to begin with. to me its a bunch of games trying to strive for a 6 foot ladder rather than the moon.

[@pdrpm8269]

Yeah wanting to see small teams fail is so funny, you people are so sad

[@adorableweiner1099]

Diablo 4 restored some faith? I dont think so ^^. I think D3 has more players right now

[@RenPK62]

Comeon man why are you making enemies. Frozen Thrones is great. And there are still a very active community. Yes Buzzard done shit but they are still trying even now. To say that Warcraft RTS is dead is really one sided.

[@mylifeisfunny8911]

good game

[@Sadius100]

real glad you started this channel mate, tried Godsworn cuz of your recommendation and it's hella nice keep up the great work 👍

[@Zade_95]

Thank you! Really appreciate it :)

[@danilo7221]

Clone wars

[@SkyFly19853]

😞😞😞

[@GhostRider-un9gm]

Poop

[@meinacco]

The problem can be easily summed up thusly: A Warcraft 4 would not be made by Blizzard, it would be made by Activision \ Microsoft. And we all know what to expect from that.

[@r31n0ut]

Gotta say mate, if you make a video declaring an rts series dead and it is sponsored by another rts... that just makes it look like you're doing a paid hit piece. kindof undercuts the actual points you're making, because your video is sponsored by the competition...

[@aidar95]

I don't think a 4X game can be considered an RTS

[@r31n0ut]

@@aidar95 Fair, but the point still stands. It's a close enough genre. Also, purely academic because I don't think it's the case here, but 4X can be RTS. Paradox games are 4x, but they are also real time and strategy.

[@ABRAVERTHU]

Scouring just a plagiat shit. And you praise it? It`s literally WC3 but look a like a mobile game. Sounds, style, animations - all almost the same. Minimum work. Digusting.

[@kekman1997]

godsworm is more like Spellforce 3

[@REgamesplayer]

Isn't all those things are a sign that new Warcraft 4 is coming? Under new leadership, it is more likely than ever. You wanted a title no matter how right that might be.

[@gureguru4694]

none of these will even reach 5k players on steam. its not that warcraft is dead. its non-blizzard RTS thats DEAD