Warcraft Movie: Grommash Hellscream Deleted Scene

[@isaacgoeth5158]

*"Warriors are not made with magic. They're forged, in battle!"*

[@SciFi_Soup]

Lok'tar Ogar!

[@DuduRossetto]

Glad you could ReForGe It UtHeR

[@a65s4c65as]

thats what im looking for .for sure,thx

[@rizizapz3204]

*gets enhanced by fell magic anyways* hahahahaha

[@Sol-rk1zg]

He got Fel-r-ized tho

[@DarkTider]

So, there is a scene depicting pivotal information about the inter-personal relationships of these characters, gives a LOT of badly needed dimension to Blackhand, describes exactly the effects of drinking demon blood and even has the best one-liner in the entire movie from Doomhammer? Why was this cut?! You seriously couldn't fit in a MINUTE of this, but you could fit in a scene of Garona going on about khadgar wanting to bang her?!

[@josejuanandrade4439]

I was realy pissed when i realized both Grommash and Kargath were both in the movie the whole time... you can so clearly see them in the scene of the Makgora between Blackhand and Lothar. When Guldan is yelling at them to kill Lothar after he won, they stand in front of him. Kargath looks just like his model in WoD is amazing!

[@farceFacade]

@@josejuanandrade4439 Kilrogg is as well. Never saw Ner'zhul anywhere, tho.

[@ChibiHoboProductions]

​@@farceFacade If I'm not mistaken, Ner'Zhul never left Draenor and instead kept to himself in Shadowmoon as he created the first death knights. (At least until he got fused with the helm of domination)

[@justin1594]

That's why I said they should never of made this movie. Turning a game with so much lore and backstory and trying to fit it into 2 hours is bound to not make sense. The lore they did decide to add they twisted and changed it. They make Medivh who was banging Garona in lore her dad instead? Gul'dan says fuck it and opens the portal himself?

[@holyminiman]

@@ChibiHoboProductions Guldan made the death knights, so Orgrim didnt want to kill him. He left NerZhul behind on Dreanor, considering him broken and not dangerous

[@otsoga0105]

Man, Grommash was one of the most important characters, it would be awesome if they added this

[@YeLaaaaN]

Yeah and how he and thrall (son of duratan and draka) met didn't play the entire game series but I would love to see and watch it on movie series. Pls don't spoil me :(

[@jakubsabosz2933]

AS well as drinking of demon blood was iconic yet there was no mention of Burning Legion or demon blood in the actual movie... I treat it as a spin-off bc it fcked up known lore so much :v

[@DawnsRage]

This tells the story of wc1 Grom was left behind to defend the base camp in this story. Much to his displeasure. He has a bigger part in the 2nd and 3rd war

[@TheTrueFeleas]

Would've been awesome if they gave him ANY lines at all in the final cut. Like wtf?

[@Dapeder]

@@DawnsRage It just takes WC1 as a guide. Grommash can be seen at the final battle scene with Killrogg and Kargath, as well as in the canyon scene next to Blackhand

[@Vollzer]

When your bro tries to talk you into taking roids

[@Bruhnwhat]

hey buddy

[@lemes1154]

"Yes but you habe small balls"

[@dylanschmeichel2008]

“Why be strong enough, when you can be stronger?” Well cause I can be strong without a small PP

[@abtelion4449]

@@dylanschmeichel2008 is only the balls that gets smaller, if u have big or small pp it would be the same if u take roids or not.

[@cyhnszr5067]

Yes but your bones weak

[@modernviking6436]

Had they gone by the original script, the movie was roughly estimated to have a 2 & a half to 3 hour run time. They killed it with 1000 small editing cuts, that took out essential plot, character development, & world-building elements that would have been crucial for people who were new to the Warcraft Universe

[@bagoftrix]

Modern Viking is there a longer cut? If not, Weird they didn’t capitalize on the huge fan base, it deserved a director’s cut...

[@7stringzombie]

even if there was a director's cut, Jones wrote out all the established lore. the whole universe is retconned.

[@houseviking4352]

I think the real problem with making a Warcraft movie is that as the game was meant to be fast-paced, a lot of events were happening and you can't crush this into an hour and a half. The most disappointing part is the lack of a proper intro for non-fans of Blizzard work. Just like, 2 minutes like they did for LOTR Tell us about Draenor and Azeroth so we know who orcs really are and why humans never saw them before, tell us about the titans and the burning legion so we feel what danger lies under the ''gift of death magic'' and you already start off with a better context.

[@7stringzombie]

@@houseviking4352 wanting a fast paced movie does not imply the abolishment of previously established concepts.

[@houseviking4352]

@@7stringzombie I agree with you and maybe I didn't put it correctly. What messed up the movie to me is that they chose to cut essential material to make a short movie. I saw like you that they changed lore and I don't really understand why they did it. So many movies do that shit, it gets frustrating at some point.

[@SciFi_Soup]

There is no good reason why this scene was deleted. Deleting it only made the film feel more confusing and detached for new Warcraft fans

[@ariesstorm9577]

SciFi Soup as a new fan to WoW I enjoyed the film but did find it confusing (luckily my fiancee has been a fan for many years so she helped me with who's who and what was going on. I'm still new to WoW and occasionally play the game. For the Horde!

[@SciFi_Soup]

For the Horde!!

[@aliezahjuarez1212]

@@ariesstorm9577 for the horde!!!

[@youtubian1000]

well movies have standards this is 50% blizzard and 50% movie industry if blizzard taker over the movie 100% the duration of the movie will be 3 hrs and 45 mins as stated on the making of the movie for a recap of mediv and anduin and if blizzard did not abide to the movie law they will release the corruption of the 1st horde as part 1 to make the movie clear and seeing archemond and kiljaden

[@CardiganDude]

For the Alliance! *insert brave suffering Varian*

[@Gabrielbarsch]

Grom hellsGREEN

[@sirpato5712]

what u doing here lol

[@madcat789]

Getting ideas for future animations?

[@cupcakearttv2041]

Youre here again

[@arkguy5103]

@@sirpato5712 he is always on every Warcraft videos lol

[@animathehallowed1380]

Orgrim seems like the kind of orc that even humans would want to just chill with 😂

[@tyronegreen6165]

lol

[@KaelynBacchus]

For real

[@Gutvald]

Too bad he becomes the plague of their land after the death of Blackhand !

[@Mr-Sinister]

Yeah. Mak'gora and Chill

[@animathehallowed1380]

@@Mr-Sinister oh dear. But I don’t want a big red orc dong XD

[@wastehazey6468]

Doomhammer: Yes, but you're gr- Hellscream: MAK'GORA!!!

[@mosseblack8635]

and I ooop

[@codeboy_henry]

Hahaha

[@Chaine_the_orc]

And Doomhammer wins

[@Commander1991NOR]

@@Chaine_the_orc In his dreams

[@SilenceStabber]

@@Chaine_the_orc Nah, Grom is fel powered, so he is much stronger. But Grom brown? Yea, Orgrim can win. But not sure, because Grom is good warrior as well

[@nokina3]

Grom: Feel the strengths of Five Peon: me not that kind of orc.

[@Shiirow]

Garrosh : Yeah but old god give you the strength of a ten man raid. dungeon strength is so last expansion.

[@TirthBArya]

Be Happy To

[@01.ahmadzlatanibrahimovic52]

@@TirthBArya okay dokey

[@Dainton3000]

@@01.ahmadzlatanibrahimovic52 Work work

[@masruddinriduan5806]

@@Dainton3000 i can do that

[@nebulus48]

Grom: *flexes his gargantuan muscles expecting the others to be intimidated or impressed* Doomhammer: "Yeah but u green m8"

[@notahamster333]

What's wrong with being a green orc? legit question

[@nebulus48]

@@notahamster333 ask doomhammer XD

[@Flint---]

@@notahamster333 orcs are not green naturaly in warcraft.

[@notahamster333]

@@Flint--- oh I see, that's interesting! much like animals, some are born ALBINO. In Orc's case, they're green!! lol

[@Flint---]

@@notahamster333 well albinism is genetic.... green orcs is a side efffect of drugs (blood of mannoroth)

[@localdingus6788]

Grom: But why strong enough when there is stronger still (hulks out). Doomhammer: Yes but you’re green. Love that line. Honestly they did themselves such a disservice by cutting this scene it’s got some great humor from Orgrim Doomhammer, establishes his and Durotans friendship with Grommash which was sadly never really shown in the movie, it has a really cool honorable moment from Blackhand, and it does a really good job explaining what the demon blood does in a simple way.

[@kittydaddy2023]

They'll add it back in as DLC

[@localdingus6788]

@@kittydaddy2023 wouldn’t even surprise me at this point if they added dlc to movies.

[@theeverchosen1504]

Blackhand was so interesting in this film, like he worked for Gul'dan but you could tell he was only doing what was best for his people, very dynamic bad guy for this film

[@SciFi_Soup]

I agree, I wish the film explored more of this theme/idea, but it is understandable why they didn't considering it would have needed a lot of background knowledge from the general audience

[@Michael-kd1ho]

In the lore, Blackhand was a puppet warchief. Gul'dan had him appointed becasue it was easier to control the Horde through him then directly - the chieftains would not listen to an emaciated, gnarled wealking. Another deviation from the lore in this film, as Gul'dan here is clearly in command officially. Also, Blackhand did drink the blood. Orgrim did not.

[@krisbrag87]

He only cared about himself clearly.

[@SciFi_Soup]

@@Michael-kd1ho I know, I admit I wasn't sure how I felt about the differences from the original story. But I kinda felt like from day one there wasn't going to be a sequel for Warcraft (that seems to still be the case last I checked, I could be wrong about that though). So I was just glad to get a fun flick in the Warcraft universe, even if they did have to make changes for this to work as a one-off or whatever for people who may not have been familiar.

[@Merknilash]

Michael which was another retcon from wc2 when he was just another ruthless green orc

[@somguy5035]

Take out the entire love story, add-in everything else that was cut. Boom; improved 200%

[@god6384]

they should've just told the movie from the orcs perspective and leave out the stupid human side. They could've fleshed out the characters more. Instead we got that dude from vikings and some random young actors who don't look like the characters portrayed before at all. On the human side there were too many place jumps which made it confusing as to where everything is like a power rangers episode with all the flying and stuff which made the story a mess

[@Shiirow]

@@god6384 they condensed too much, this could have easily been a trilogy, before the portal, the portal invasion, and then the aftermath.

[@bjornjoseph]

2 movies. One horde one alliance. Wouldve been better

[@kou7191]

I honestly hate how romance always just NEEDS to sneak into every movie ever like a parasite and steal a considerable amount of spotlight.

[@wrath_babyy2808]

YES dood. PLUS please make the armor of humans more warcraft... not like papercraft

[@Carpatouille]

Grom is trully terrifying in this scene, and it also shows some humanity in Blackhand, seriously a shame this wasn't included. Such a short scene that would have added so much to the movie.

[@invictus7736]

orcity

[@IvanMana]

humanity? you mean orcanity?

[@lolaccount2192]

@@IvanMana haha the word humanity also disturbed me here 🤪

[@RetroGuy_77]

Humanity? I don't think that means what you think it means. Where was Blackhand being compassionate or generous? He showed pride in his warrior philosophy. Nothing in anything he said would be considered "humane". Grab a dictionary before using words you don't know.

[@kuelhomaster]

@@RetroGuy_77 It shows more than ''bash bash, evil murder'' which i'd say is good enought. this scene should be in the movie 100%

[@themenace7797]

The only failures on that movie was A) deleting great scenes B) not making a second one

[@Galejro]

The movie was a financial disaster, if it wasn't for the Asian public this movie would be a net loss for Blizzard. I doubt we'll see a sequel since this one barely paid for it's costs... Of course we all have a list of reasons why it was a disaster but yeah, deleting this scene is on that list.

[@regardolupin2865]

Everybody who plays orcs has some voice modulation. Meanwhile Clancy Brown just sounds like that.

[@sealdude5581]

Clancy Brown was the best thing about this movie

[@yourdude4197]

Orcish physiology is really amazing. Grom here is the youngest of the chieftains yet he already looks like a seasoned veteran warrior and in a village faraway, his son is suffering from a pox. They really nailed Grom’s bloodlust.

[@dex4308]

Why would you ever delete a scene with one of the most iconic orc warriors ????

[@raziel6304]

Because it's odd, this is the ONLY scene where Grom talks, imagine having him talk once in the entire film and the rest of the time he's just standing in the background. It would've felt even weirder than not having it at all.

[@hamessena69games]

Because it's bullshit. Grom was on Draenor during the first war... not on Azeroth. His whole storyline is based on him, leading his clan trought the Dark Portal , joining the second war. They decided to add him as cameo at the end of the movie when the orcs refused to obey to Gul'Dan, and it's better like that.

[@thaloh]

@@hamessena69games Grom's presence in the film (and lore) is still important because he's the first to drink Mannoroth's blood. Cutting out his speaking scenes was a grave injustice to his character, not to mention the scene added a lot of story context and worldbuilding with the Orcs.

[@BlueVenom9]

because those in charge chase the dollar with out understanding why the games are so well loved, so they do what they THINK will make them money then say "video game movies dont work" when its their stupidity why they dont work

[@ddenozor]

Because then this would be labeled as a horror movie. Hellscream looked scaary when he flex xD

[@danterik9781]

*A warrior is not made with magic. He is forged, in battle.* Favourite line in the entire movie.

[@endlessnoodle3056]

Grom: "Why be strong if there is stronger still?" Grom, when his son goes full Marty McFly on him: "WE WILL NEVER BE SLAVES!"

[@Hanashibi]

Being given a weapon is different than being shackled. In Grom's Eyes at this time, Fel was power, it was the next level of weaponizing the body. When Garrosh reveals that it will cost him his free will, enslave him, and that the cost of the strength is his freedom... he switched to a hard 'hell no'. Power by any means, except at the cost of your soul. That's why I believe Grom and Arthas have a huge similarity and difference. Both are willing to amplify through any means needed. But there are things Grom won't willingly, or knowingly trade.

[@axechop]

Original Grom: *screeching voice* WHAAAAAAAT

[@thibautisserant]

The Fel also affects the mind. Every orc that was "strengthened" was also controlled by Gul'dan and Mannoroth. It took Grommash's famous iron will to actually face Mannoroth and free his people from his influence.

[@assassinister8676]

grommash is going to tell Thrall that doomhammer and his father laughed at him bc he was green

[@lapatjani3171]

@James Tomlin Wod is not canon.

[@EarlMagpayo]

Lmfao

[@raziel6304]

Orgrim Doomhammer was a Blackrock in the canon and he also drinked the demon blood so he was green too.

[@SilenceStabber]

@@lapatjani3171 WoD is canon moron, it's part of WoW universe

[@DickGarrison]

@@raziel6304 you right about one thing. He was part of blackrock. No he never drank the demon blood.

[@thefleepo8013]

Not just explanations and Blackhand's humanity shown in this scene. It perfectly set up Grommash's character for further development, as I think this was all we needed before he would become relevant (aka in a third or fourth installment). An incredibly well filmed scene, a shame it wasn't included tbs.

[@jnzupka]

I love how they ignore everything he just said and the InstaGains for “You Turned Green”

[@chaoszweihander3975]

One of the strongest Orcs to ever live. *gets bullied*

[@thaloh]

Bullied is kinda overstating it. More like they're gym buddies giving each other shit.

[@TheNameCannotBeFound]

@@thaloh That's definitely how I see it as well. This kind of bro-sassing happens all the time between a bunch of buddies just having a good time.

[@khatack]

@@TheNameCannotBeFound but it sounds a lot less funny that way.

[@Typanoid]

They're warriors in a warrior-culture. Unless I'm much mistaken, that kind of banter is kind of their way of saying: "I love you too bro".

[@LordMalice6d9]

Yeah, but it was Orgrim Doomhammer doing the bullying so it is fine.

[@Davemankur]

Grommash was my favorite horde character as a kid just because of the hair because it looked cool to me.

[@chrisberg7862]

I love how their smiles curve around their fangs really nice attention to detail

[@Rodoet001]

The orc animations in Warcraft cinematics has always been surprisingly well made, especially the mouths. The smiles, like you pointed out, their habit of baring teeth when angry, hell, just their talking animation is a delight to see. Because it really shows how much they thought about this. Like, how the fuck to you string a coherent sentence that others can understand with those tusks. Why, large mouth movements. Their mouths always open more than humans and elves as they have to compensate, which leads to a very expressive facial language that fits to the orcs habit of being very expressive and showing their emotions clearly. The sound as well. I love how their speech is a bit thicker. Like, their voices aren't just deeper but their speech just sounds slightly muffled because they are after all speaking much more through their teeth compared to other races. Their F and Th sounds are also much more pronounced while their S sounds mixes with a bit of F sound due to them probably having to put their tongue further forward to match their protruding jawline. I absolutely adore just how much attention to detail Blizzard can have in their animations. To bad this got deleted.

[@beastmaster0934]

“Yes, but you’re green” Gotta love Orgrimm

[@isaacfaith9369]

I never noticed that it is Grommash who pays respect to Blackhand by uttering his name when he arrives. A great detail that shows while Grommash is now stronger than Blackhand he respects him deeply as Warchief.

[@SrChr778]

A minute and a half scene, they had well enough room to keep it. And sheesh, Warcraft fans knew full well of Grommash's tale. Seeing him and the Fel Blood, would've filled us with nostalgia.

[@madalinfilip6352]

The movie supposed to be 3 hours long but they cut a lot from it

[@cazabrow1967]

Kinda hate how like half of the warchiefs were barely in the film. I didn't actually notice until after the first watch through that Grom and Kargath were even in it.

[@toobakedone]

All the warchiefs were there kargath and grom included

[@cazabrow1967]

@@toobakedone i know, but barely had any screen time.

[@raziel6304]

You also missed Kilrogg. The only one that was missing was Ner'zhul but that made sense because he was in Draenor at the time.

[@Shiirow]

dont worry, they will make Warcraft 2 : Warlords of Draenor to give them more screen time.

[@kikibombon22]

@@Shiirow No they won't. The plan was to make such a movie but that won't happen, because the movie wasn't recieved well by the audience and the critics didn't like it.

[@alejovila8842]

I need this but with Grom's iconic red no-pupil eyes

[@dezgasting]

This scene lives in my head rent-free.

[@nag7254]

Damn, it's a shame there wont be another warcraft movie.

[@boobyslater9390]

It's a shame this one exists to begin with.

[@nag7254]

@@boobyslater9390 Ok, if you want to start a meaningless fight about our opinions, lets get into it.

[@shibe1367]

nag725 He’s not trying to start a fight by stating a solid fact. This film should have never happened.

[@nag7254]

@@shibe1367 well, then you have your opinion, and i'll have mine.

[@SnillhundReal]

@@shibe1367 I personally think it could have been great, mostly as a show though, to develop the characters more and flesh out each war, so the first and second war don't get fused into one like in this movie. They just ended up rushing the story in this one. Was the concept of making a Warcraft movie a bad idea? No. Did the execution leave a lot to be desired? Yes.

[@fumarc4501]

The Blackrock Clan was always the most organized, so it makes sense the Blackhand needed a cool head and the strength to lead. Being the best blacksmiths was a bonus, and I wish they had shown clearer the differences between them. I understand why the Humans of Stormwind were all the same, but the Horde was never so simple.

[@IlHansenIl]

Seemed like such a slam dunk... Amazing how they managed to make it not so.

[@Sergeant_Arch_Dornan]

Why be strong enough, when there is stronger still?

[@countsnowyofgwainn3996]

Yes, but...your green

[@senatorarmstrong9459]

Imagine Ronnie Coleman with the fell, holy shit

[@angryduck1502]

@@senatorarmstrong9459 YEEEEEAAA BUDDY NOTHING BUT A ORC

[@Thunderbeer604]

Felroids, bro.

[@Meusberg]

The league of shadows Bane Or Brian Shaw

[@gunschulke]

I didn't realize how difficult the plot was to follow when I first watched the movie because my brain just filled in the gaps from my pre-existing knowledge. When I watched it a second time with my father and his friend (both of whose knowledge starts and ends at "it's a video game or something"), it became clear that the plot was missing a lot of exposition and even minor details that would have filled them in enough to at least enjoy the film. Their general consensus was "I didn't care about the characters and I didn't know what was going on". It wasn't horrible enough visually for them to completely space out. To me the movie makes sense, even though it was a bit lame. To them I imagine it was like watching a smash cut of humans fighting big green guys. You don't feel robbed of your time, but you do feel like paying for a ticket, snacks, etc. wasn't warranted at the end of the experience. I did find the movie more enjoyable on my third viewing, but that was aided by a few too many drinks and my friends who've played the game poking fun the whole time.

[@Nonexistanthuman]

having this scene would have gotten more ticket sales

[@excliptor7467]

Probably not considering you buy a ticket before getting to see the scene.

[@ELEMENDRAGON]

@@excliptor7467 u see the scene so u tell your friend the grommash part is awesome they go to the movies witch increase the ticket sales

[@Shiirow]

this is where Grom breaks out in a throaty rendition of "Its not easy being green".

[@gregww101]

Honestly a great scene. It's definitely something down to earth that I imagine someone saying.

[@GreyJedi91]

I don't know a damn thing about Warcraft...but it is nice to see you're not dead all the same!

[@SciFi_Soup]

Still kicking!!

[@Wowreference]

This was such an important scene. Why did they cut this?

[@Rytonic69]

I'll be honest, I thought this was a cutscene or a trailer for the game. Very impressed with how Hellscream looks

[@madhav0ctv733]

Yes but.. you're.. green.

[@tardarsauce3355]

They should just release these movies with all the scenes included. Fans love them

[@inr9751]

Every single orc was awesome in this movie, i swear to God.

[@xxlCortez]

Just wait until he gets red.

[@tossapat027]

and kill all god&demon

[@Shiirow]

then next is Super Orc God Super Orc, or Super Orc Blue

[@TMoDDD]

Just wait until he starts to spin.

[@kaptenbear1395]

I just love Orgrim's grin.

[@BanditoBurrito]

I don’t know how they managed to make a Warcraft movie lame but they did, scenes like this seem cozy and decent and get deleted

[@oktaykilic1551]

O kadar emek harcayıp böyle güzel bir sahneyi neden silerler anlamak mümkün değil. Sadece Orkları anlatan bir film olsa çok daha dehşet olur.

[@Hoi4o]

Such a cool and important scene. It's a shame they left it out.

[@realbladerunner]

The orcs were amazing in this movie

[@rocko0214]

I love how, for an instant, i felt that these 87 seconds would've made this movie better. I'm so naive xD

[@edwardness7497]

Do believe the reason for removing Grom, great injustice that it was, is there were already a lot of characters, inculde him this tiny bit and he has to be spotted throughout... think the run time was a great factor also, I noticed Grom in the movie just after the portal was shutdown because I saw Gorehowl first, then I saw his face

[@vitorsamuel777]

They put him in there mostly to show that he is still a soldier, because if he wasnt there that would mean he's out of battle, which would go against everything his character and clan stand for. I think the fact that he didn't have lines was because anything he could say in such a movie (full of idealistic characters) could be taken as a political comment, just like the one in this video, which could compromise the storytelling, and not be really Grom-like.

[@SomewhereInSerbia]

Taking C tier director for this movie did fans huge disfavor, also diverging from original storyline killed a potential sequel

[@Raziel-zm3dv]

@@SomewhereInSerbia btw if you played WC2 and the xpac of that game you will see that Grom with his Warsong clan and Kargath with the Shattered hand clan did not fight in the 1st or the 2nd War, they came to "Azeroth" in the event's of beyond the Dark portal under the leadership of Ner'zhul, the warchief of Draenor.

[@voiavictor]

Grom was also fighting Lothar's so, before Blackhand intervened and killed him personally

[@BonnoJ17]

Man, it still bugs me the orcs sound like they're talking into a bucket

[@blueshoals]

I love how even in this one, tiny little scene, it's very apparent that there's something fundamentally WRONG with Hellscream.

[@bsybilly]

Durotan & others cracks Grom: "It not easy being green~~"

[@Shiirow]

now we need someone to take these scenes and edit it to make Grom sing that song.

[@bsybilly]

@@Shiirow 🤣🤣🤣

[@MidnightWanderer]

Why was this scene deleted?? Shit...this was dammed good.

[@zvonkobogdan9634]

No

[@CountJinsulaOfficial]

This movie would have been a masterpiece if the studios didn't cut all the best stuff. These scenes add context and character development. This scene, for example, would have had a great payoff when Blackhand tells Gul'dan to keep fighting during the mak'gora with Durotan. It shows Blackhand is all about honor and not conquest. Without this scene, Blackhand's semi-half turn, and subsequent monster form made no sense. Check out the cut scene with Khadgar and Gorona. It was a major plot point that would have tied up so many loose ends.

[@matijajuric7997]

Still a long way to a masterpiece

[@Ragemuffn]

The cuts isn't the only issue - they changed a lot of story that needn't be. I still think Doomhammer vs Blackhand for Warchief is the way to go. Not some random human sanctioned mak'gora that felt cheap. They should've decided what angle to go with, what characters to focus on and follow. The cuts certainly wounded the movie a lot, but it's not the only issue.

[@Towboatin]

This one definitely should have stayed in.

[@THENEW6]

I love every orc and their scenes. I hate every human and their scenes. The human actors act like they didn't even read the script it looks like they improvised the entire movie. The orcs were SUPERB.

[@SuicidalSheep]

They should've animated the whole movie like this, no real life actors etc

[@otsoga0105]

Human actors look so puny in this film, felt like orcs can kill them with one blow even with shields on...

[@dude123nice6]

This. The human acting was terrible. And besides, mixing up Live action with CG is always going to make the contrast egregiously obvious. But I guess that if this was an "animated movie", people would never had taken it seriously.

[@DauragonC.Mikado]

personally, I hated Travis Fimmel as Anduin ... he felt like some random guard, I hated how he was joking around the whole time. I wanted to see a badass Anduin Lothar, not some kind of joker.

[@godsaveme]

@@DauragonC.Mikado Nah he did fine, the problem was Khadgar and the whatever she was, orc/draenei that looked like a black woman in makeup with british teeth

[@ProfWulfenstein]

I don't know why they cut this. Really it works so well to help show more of this world and movie.

[@SciFi_Soup]

*Frequently Asked Questions* *1) I saw a cinematic from World of Warcraft in which Grommash refuses to drink the demon-blood. What gives?* Answer: You watched the cinematic for the Warlords of Draenor expansion. In this cinematic, the hooded orc seen by Grommash is Garrosh Hellscream, his son. He went back into time to convince his father to refuse the demon blood. It is canon, but it is an alternate timeline Garrosh. In the original Warcraft series (which takes place before World of Warcraft), the main-timeline Grommash Hellscream does drink the demon blood, but eventually sacrifices himself by killing Mannoroth, redeeming himself. You can watch a short clip on that here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmPWhYuOmtiMhK8 In the Warlords of Draenor cinematic, Grommash is already made away of Mannaroth and Gul'dan's intentions, so that's why he questions Mannaroth and ends up just killing him then and there. *2) Is this movie canon?* Answer: No, it is simply based off the beginning of the Warcraft series, more specifically Warcraft 1: Orcs and Humans. It has several key plot differences, both due to director's choice in keeping the story somewhat unique, as well as to apparently make it easier to put into a single movie format. Opinions on these changes vary according to who you ask, but the film is its own continuity. There are novel(s?) that take place in the movie continuity, but the majority that you see in the bookstore coincide with the Warcraft main-continuity, and so features and alignes with the Warcraft 1-3 and WoW story. *3) I thought Orgrim Doomhammer was a Blackrock Orc?* Answer: In the canon-universe he is, but he is Frostwolf in the film. It's just one of those changes I had mentioned. *4) Why was this scene deleted?* Answer: I dunno, I can't think of a very good reason for it to be. It's not long at all and provides a lot of context to the pivotal differences between those who accepted the demon-blood and those who didn't... beats me. *5) Will there be a Warcraft 2 movie?* Answer: Very unlikely. Despite the film being fairly well-received by fans, the critiques weren't very kind to it. Here is a link to the director Duncan Jones defending the film. It didn't sell fantastically in the US or UK, but did very well in China. Despite this, Duncan Jones himself it is very unlikely to happen. kzbin.info/www/bejne/anmnaoCGjbGHrLc There are more changes and frequent questions people may have. I'll update this as needed when I have the time

[@madhav0ctv733]

Yes but.. you're.. green.

[@cooker1852]

any information when the warcraft 2 film will be released damn want to see more scene of grom

[@Sherudons]

To be fair to the movie, what they tried to do was pack a 2 hour movie with 6 months of ingame grind time, and it doesn't look bad, just average. If they have made this into an instalment of maybe a trilogy to keep in with the games leading up to everything instead of rushing it all at once, yeah...

[@hyfynorris]

"Grind time" ? This part of the story is not situated on the mmo. Like i get what you mean, the movie tried to cram in too much, but 6 months is an exageration even considering it hyperbole.

[@MegaReinart]

they should have made a 10 episode show for each of the fucking expansion, instead some idiot in blizzard said lets put as many expansions as possible in a single movie, how stupid can u be?`they could have milked millions if not billions from the franchise

[@ContemporaryCompendium]

It really pisses me off that cg characters were able to act and emote better than the actual human actors.

[@velikiyvoinsveta]

I remember myself screaming "Holy shit, it's Grommash!" while watching this movie in the cinema back at the time

[@august5135]

cringe

[@Iexb]

Loser

[@stinkygod2297]

I figured, Grommash refused to drink but I guess in here he didn't?

[@VitchAndVorty]

Damn. If they included this scene, we could sympathize with Blackhand a bit and feel conflicted when he finally did SOMETHING BAD.

[@SignalWarden]

I will say it until my last breath. As much as I enjoyed this movie, it was the wrong story to introduce Warcraft. I feel that the story that would best serve that purpose would be Varian's. Imagine a Conan style story. King, now gladiator. Fights his way to freedom. Reclaims the throne. Introduces us to Orcs, night elves, blood elves, arcane magic and dragons. In addition, his adventures take him from Stormwind, all throughout Kalimdor and back. It would have been absolutely epic. Ah well.

[@gccas081]

Starting the story with rexar

[@thahoule7924]

nah. varian would be far, FAR too late in the lore.

[@SignalWarden]

@@thahoule7924That doesn't matter though. There is no point to drop into the lore where you aren't going back in time anyway. Even if you start at the first war, you're jumping backward to the Draenor war, Fall of Argus and War of the Ancients to explain stuff. New viewers don't need to know all of the details of the world, just the details of this particular story. Varian's story is uniquely compelling to new people, relevant to the world, filled with iconic characters for long time players and revolves around a small central cast to keep things focused. Add in Varian as a natural audience surrogate and it's ideally suited as a mass market entry point.

[@Shiirow]

Grommash "You will like the fel, it gives you the strength of five orcs" Garrosh "Pssh bitch please, old god is where its at, you get the power of a ten man raid."

[@nobelmassinaarben2467]

Y'SHAARJ!!!

[@gutscar4718]

They had to take this out, because Hellscream would crush them both at the same time if they insulted him.

[@JustLou08]

If Warcraft would be one-to-one with the original source material, I believe it should become a TV series, instead, so that everything from the original lore would be put in place, and it would help with the pacing of the overall story (would still depend on the writers, though). But overall the movie was good for what it was for me, and I enjoyed it. Too bad this scene didn't make the cut, Grom was one of my favorite characters.

[@boobyslater9390]

I think it'd fit better as films, though short seasons would also work. It should absolutely be told truer to the source material, as all of the first/second war stuff and into WC3 (which would need to be slightly retconned/expanded upon) is really good storytelling and would all naturally fit very perfect as a series of films or TV seasons. It's a fat fucking shame Hollywood had to literally rape the plot so bad that we ended up with an entirely god damned confused, nonsensical plothole-laden abortion.

[@JustLou08]

@@boobyslater9390 a film saga akin to Star Wars, perhaps? I really don't like what they did with the movie, retconning Medivh and completely removing any connections with Sargeras. But it was good on a few things; the Horde's portrayal was okay, and I like a few cameos like Anasterian and Anduin. I feel like if this was turned into a saga like Star Wars, we would get at least the story of Lothar, Medivh, and Llane when they were young, and an episode about the War of the Ancients and how they tie it up with Sargeras and Medivh. So many possible things they could have done...

[@boobyslater9390]

@@JustLou08 It should absolutely have been a saga, yes. I would've told it as the first war (Orc's initial invasion of Azeroth, war against Stormwind and eventually they end up sacking the city. Survivors flee across the sea, do the second war. Third film is a 'Rise of the Horde' origin thing, then you could go into the WC3 stuff. It's so simple and works so perfectly and they fucked it up so tremendously lol.

[@Disastromatic]

Multiple seasons would definitely be the way to go. Allows for establishing multiple characters and groups of those characters, and tracking several plots along through the course of the season. A season 1 which introduces everything on both sides, without even crossing through the portal, would be a good start. Show the Alliance and Medivh doing their things, Gul'dan and the Horde doing theirs, with perhaps some establishment of the other forces in the world (dragons, elementals, trolls, etc). Second season starts and it's the first war. Third season begins the second war, which had a LOT going on, and continuing into the fourth season with the demise of Draenor. After this, a time break before WCIII, where we would get a season of Thrall rallying the orcs and leaving the Eastern Kingdoms, a season of Alliance/Scourge and Orc/Night Elf, the battle at Mount Hyjal, and of course Arthas' journey. There's 7 or 8 seasons' worth of stuff right there.

[@juankespitiasilva2859]

Hellscream deserves his own film.

[@smiIingman]

Maybe i've been lonely for too long but... Draka looks fine af.

[@Loukilouk04]

extra t h i c c and muscles

[@Hizbullla]

They should've just stuck to a movie about Orcs.

[@Voodooray007]

I think you're right, to be honest.

[@Lamdadelta]

That would make too much sense, since in Warcraft 1 the orcs won and sacked Stormwind. Then they could've followed up with a sequel for Warcraft 2 where they focus on the humans.

[@localdingus6788]

They should’ve done it like the RTS games and split it into 2 parts one for Orcs and one for Humans it would’ve given them much more time to explore the story.

[@donsoliven7991]

imo they should have started with arthas's story from war3. the human campaign translated into a movie.

[@kikibombon22]

@@donsoliven7991 too much information would be missing for anything to make sense to the general audience

[@Commander1991NOR]

1:05 Grommash seems like he could break any one across his knee in this scene XD

[@alexandrio98]

Its cool seeing grommash like that, after watching warlords of draeonor cinematics where he is pretty much untouched from the blood.

[@RoxxSerm]

Alternate time line. Grom traveled back to prevent him from drinking the pit lords blood, and gave them technology and knowledge to make them powerful. Iron horde storyline. Worth reading into it!

[@jaratt85]

Gromash looked like he was about to go full HULK SMASH! on Orgrim.

[@slayerdark0]

He would get his ass handed to him

[@rays8521]

@sightinsight Except Orgrim is no regular orc.

[@zero-vc8wk]

@@rays8521 yes and grom beat cenarius and mannoroth by himself, what has orgrim done that would make him even stand a chance against grom? Especially under fel influence

[@adelaclos7508]

@@zero-vc8wk kill blackhand

[@zero-vc8wk]

@@adelaclos7508 So you are seriously comparing blackhand, who has done nothing, to cenarius the demi god and mannoroth the king of the pitlords who sent thrall flying with one attack?

[@socomusnavyseals1113]

imagine the hardwork doing all that animation then it wasnt added to the final movie

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

Here's a crazy idea: Why don't you just keep the scene in the movie in stead of cutting it?

[@antonyticonaalanoca9388]

Perhabs because It is racist, u know, even Green is racist nowadays

[@Yoursoul101]

Imagine being one of the people who worked on this scene. I mean, to put a scene like this together takes so much work and money. You better have a good fucking reason to "cut" this.

[@Theemilioyap]

I didn't know Grommash could appear in CGI without Mannaroth?

[@Malally2]

i wish the movie itself was longer tbh and that they didn't cut out minor details. i like shit like this, it makes the characters understandable and more relatable

[@bonkersmcgee4356]

Not the greatest movie ever, but I think this is the best example of CGI to date.

[@deluxerun1788]

thanos?

[@phoenix7289]

Best example of CGI to date? No... no no no. A set of movies from nearly 20 years ago looks better. Lord of the Rings. More recently, Star Wars, as much as they've been pretty trash. And as much as I DO NOT CARE about Marvel at all, Avengers has some better stuff than this. These looked good but could have been better.

[@rays8521]

@@phoenix7289 True, Star wars CGI was breathtaking even if the plot wasn't.

[@goofverdinus165]

best cgi are the world of warcraft trailers IMO. Saurfang fighting sylvanas looked fuckin insane

[@Emidretrauqe]

I don't understand why movies like these don't have full versions with the deleted scenes added. Apparently there's enough room on the disc to put these scenes in, so why not put them in the movie as an alternate version?

[@gilpima6599]

the power of racism almost saved their whole race, they were simply not racist enough That is the message of the movie

[@mellow2879]

I didn't get your point

[@gilpima6599]

@@mellow2879 say the N word and you will understand

[@Morec0]

My nigga here is out of line, be he's got a point.

[@juz882010]

just goes to show actual director had no idea about warcraft story

[@derrickhead]

That demon juice had him feeling too good lol

[@Greenmick6982]

Wow. Should have left that in. Might have given some depth to the characters (especially with a cameo from a heavy hitter like Hellscream).

[@Filip97X]

Why was this cut out it is actually really funny and builds some more character

[@szilagyipeter6698]

This movie was quite well written and filmed. But a lot of these choices in the editing room really hurt the movie. Old Warcraft fans didn't get important characters enough time, new fans didn't really get why some of them were so important, like Grommash. But I hope Blizzard cinematic team goes in and makes a series or a movie soon.

[@DNotzz]

This movie was so weird. Strange pacing, no real character to get close to. Just weird.

[@malamajkarica]

basically it was intro

[@Wowreference]

Yeah, that's the problem with a lot of video game-based movies. They add too much information and don't give the audience much reason to care about what's going on because the plot skips introductions and only covers part of the story. It was good for what it was, but it was a film that would only appeal to those familiar with the lore.

[@Colancio]

It was just like a bad written summary of wow for people who doesn't know anything about it and failed to explain it properly

[@rdsasuke1]

Fuck you, all you said was lies, had good amount of great characters.

[@DNotzz]

Back View 😂 lol ok bud 👍🏻

[@BingBangPoe]

The CGI for this movie still holds so well. Man, a shame the _entire_ movie wasn't CGI, including the humans. That would've allowed for better acting.

[@Fiilis1]

Needs a god damn another movie!

[@mattialonghin_mr.l857]

Gromm: i am one of the most important characters in the Warcraft universe, father of that one orc that will mess with the timeline and... Directors: cut him out Gromm: **scream and swear in Orc**

[@mihailnikoloff2554]

This scene was great, they took an L by not adding it to the movie ....

[@starwind3651]

"Why be strong enough when you can be stronger still?" "Beats being green."

[@MegaChickenfish]

It's not easy being green.

[@sharpnelshots]

I know that reference!

[@ethernil]

So it's a scene of Grommash trying to pass steroids to the other gym members?