Wardens: The Most Pointless Class? | League of Legends

[@nintendope2976]

Say what you want about Braum, he’s the ultimate giga chad

[@theimmortaleye7511]

Sett? I mean atleast same vibes theire both gymbros and hang out at poolpartys to vibe check.

[@ΚωνσταντίνοςΚοκολογιαννάκης]

Taric is the hottest tho

[@ognjensuva]

Yes he is the chad of lol

[@YoungSweezy]

Galio too tho. Fly over to save you and wreck shit up.

[@clu4075]

@@theimmortaleye7511 just press w

[@MAMAJUGO]

Personally, I see Stand United less as a "save an ally in need" and more of a "join the fight at any moment while I split push"

[@Andmau2552]

The correct way to see it, an engage tech unknown by all of our teammates in solo q

[@themoralessmorax8638]

@@Andmau2552 i swear to god everytime i try to use my ult as Shen my ally decides "hm, what a good time to walk away. My Shen is giving me a massive shield, coming here to taunt enemies and block damage while dealing damage. Im just gonna walk the other way so that doesnt happen"

[@jayjaygolden5123]

@@themoralessmorax8638 and then they go in after the shield ends? yeah...

[@SerenityIsNice]

Its basically just a huge middlefinger to enemy jungle or anyone who tries to gank for that matter

[@cabinfevercf4767]

I have always seen it as double teleport.

[@ItsMorbinTime03]

"Wardens being defensive tanks" and I am looking at Tahm Kench diving my top laner for the 5th time with full hp.

[@KazzSigerithGall]

@Botaro i will allow it XD

[@Vario69]

Tahm doesn't really belong

[@Lopnawe]

AND WINNING RAAAAAAAAAAH

[@nicopelolais70]

Being both a Braum and Shen main it makes me sad how unpopular they are in Solo Q, since they have to be extremely selfless and must trust their own team, and we all know how unlikely you are to find people that are worth giving everything you got for them. In the end, you are more likely to succeed playing something selfish which will either solo carry, or solo int.

[@naufalaliyusra1098]

thats just how it is in solo q tho. cant trust randoms tbf. different story in 5man q

[@Justin73791]

Also in my experience Braum is outclassed by so many other supports. Even playing for a great adc you're lock-down isn't as good as engage supports, and your peel isn't as good as enchanters.

[@biggiecheese2004]

@@Justin73791 braum isn't outclassed he is just very niche. he is extremely strong into dive bruiser comps like Renekton or wukong but ironically is bad into assassins because they oneshot the adc before passive gets off

[@Justin73791]

@@biggiecheese2004 I guess that's what I mean, very few games reward his play-style and it's already a self sacrificial one. If you're going to make me play a team reliant champ at least let me work for the team.

[@meneither3834]

how is Shen unpopular ?

[@statictokyo]

"Wardens are vanguard with extra steps" but the extra steps makes the game more fun -sincerely shen main

[@alliu6562]

Trueee it’s not about the destination but the journey

[@Meun]

@@cottardTV That's probably because you're against players who don't abuse his weaknesses well. He is a strong pick into ranged engage/damage focused comps but beyond that he doesn't keep up with other tanks in terms of dealing with all types of damage well

[@shenyang6111]

As another shen main, yes I agree. Shen isn't a warden, matter of fact he is an assasin. But tanky.

[@shenyang6111]

​@Meun get a load of this guy... maybe he hasn't played against a good shen yet.... wait till you get three tapped by shen combo.

[@Zakaker]

Something I recently noticed about wardens is that they seem to be the only class able to effectively stop 1v9 death machines. This may not be a huge perk at high levels, but in scenarios where one person is singe-handedly carrying the enemy team and _"just kill them before they kill you"_ is simply not an option, wardens can give your team enough time to breathe and retaliate without suffering major casualties. Even if the (literal) enemy carry decides to focus them, they can resist for long enough for your carries to take them down, favourably trading your shield for their nuke

[@ThyFloorestFloor]

Mostly it happens that way, I jump to the teammate who's being targeted, raise my shield and use my ultimate to give my team enough time to either scape or turn the tides of the battle, however most of the time I end up dying which doesn't matter most of the time because my team is usually alive after that.

[@LucianaCorreaauthor]

Thats very cunning, I agree

[@hyperboiie2968]

Poppy R go crazy

[@ChXris]

The point still stands. Having and enchanter still gives you much more value in this situation than a warden. I love Braum, easily my favorite champion, but against a fed assassin, I'd rather be playing Lulu, or against a fed diver, a Janna. It's unfortunate, but the current meta doesn't allow for creative solutions. You either have the tools or you don't. A Lulu W and R or a Janna... Well, everything, will solve your issue with no effort, while you have to put up a masterpiece of movement and skill with Braum, or Poppy, or Taric, to even stand a chance against a fed enemy.

[@cloudynguyen6527]

@@ThyFloorestFloor if KZbin have commend system, I will commend you for sure. For now, receive my like.

[@theabnormalpenguin8150]

Shen and braum most selfless champs, even tahm with those beautiful teammate ults, all of these guys can be so warming to see in the hell of soloq

[@БисерМаринков]

ill forever miss old kench xd those 20 sec devours saved alot of my team mates

[@lightdrgn20]

His ally rotection went from eating his allies to eating the enemy carry for half their health

[@lolmanboss]

Dont cry, Braum is always here.

[@robincarlstedt392]

As a Shen main who occasionally plays Braum i appreciate this

[@pm04hugo22]

I love to play shen its so nice to safe your teammate and they saying "thx" thats why i play him ( and thise nasty combos on lane)

[@abekaessel3282]

-knockup -ranged poke -gap closer -self sustain -an ult that disengages enemies and allows allies to be inside and block all damage from the outside =xin zhao, the best warden in the game

[@autonomousanonymous6468]

This doesn't feel right, but I'll allow it

[@gamegaloo]

his ult actually only protects him

[@anti-mate407]

@@gamegaloo i guess knocking enemies away kinda counts

[@mahatmaniggandhi2898]

@@anti-mate407 not if you send them to yoir carroes 😂

[@glacialblast2588]

Sounds like Galio

[@BartixShieldsmen]

Don't you play with my emotions like this man, I love playing Braum even if I could just play brand and do everything myself. There's just a personal satisfaction to shrugging off that Morgana bind intended to one shot the ADC, or to tank a blitz hook and just jump back. Would playing Leona be more consistent? Probably. But Braum just feels great to play with either low skill teammates who need a guardian angel of sorts to pull them out of bad situations or with great teams who can really make the most of having me there.

[@AGuy-0751]

i do that with vanguards, i peel my adc sometimes as zac, its kinda neat, i enjoy being useful and not recognized

[@byeguyssry]

Same! Just that my adc for some reason does not know how to proc my mark

[@AGuy-0751]

@@byeguyssry don't you just auto?

[@BartixShieldsmen]

@@AGuy-0751 you'd be surprised how many people just walk and use abilities instead of using another auto to get a 4th stack off

[@fearelectro9692]

When you save someone as braum and the survive with one 1hp you you're doing a good job

[@crisisasp5396]

me who mains all of them: im something of a pointless player myself

[@gamegaloo]

pointless and SELFless

[@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman]

I play lol because it's a team game, if I really wanted to show how good of a solo player I am, I would be playing starcraft 2 or street fighter. Supports and tanks play for the team. ADC and mages play around the team. Assassin are just edgy Faker wannabe.

[@A.C_B.]

​@@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman fully agree.

[@BBSKStudio]

I personally think that Thresh is hybrid between Warden and Catcher.

[@raptorz2918]

i mean he is the chain warden after all

[@cloudynguyen6527]

Ah yes, WC Thresh... Warden Catcher Thresh

[@octaviozd2435]

True

[@bobbobby475]

Thresh is more of a warden than a catcher. I would say he is WARDEN first

[@flameofmage1099]

Hey Vars. Vex was originally going to extend projectile ranges but it would've cost too much money in terms of VFX since they'll have create new or alter projectile animations.

[@david0202095]

Damm for real that sucks

[@gabrieljoseozanan6989]

Never mind the months upon months of fixing bugs & unintended interactions.

[@Hellothere-ss4jq]

Could've gone the Smite approach with Thoth, he extends the range of only his projectiles but otherwise grants bonus damage to all allied projectiles

[@gabrieljoseozanan6989]

@@Hellothere-ss4jq An interesting idea, it would be much like a more supportive version of Jayce's skill.

[@VarsVerum]

WOW.

[@SpookSkellington]

I played Shen once. I got flamed for not ulting the jungler, when i was level 5. I mean it's my bad for not putting points into Stand United pre 6 but it was still rude.

[@WindWalker337]

Funnily enough, the idea at 13:00 was considered to be used with Vex, in the sense that she could create portals that could displace ally projectiles, but they didn't use it since it would have required to model and kinda recreate each a every single projectile in the game or something like that, it's mentioned in Vex's champion insight

[@ultimatesonic47]

lazy... oh but then they buffed every single heal in the game intead of nerfing GW to a max of 50% or revert it to 40%

[@WindWalker337]

@@ultimatesonic47 I miss the times when my boy Aatrox wasn't countered by buying an 800g non-legendary item

[@ethanwhite7174]

Don’t you dare target my boy Shen. I protect bot lane like nobody ever will

[@jeffsyndrome4812]

Yes to all but Braum. Purely because Braum is literally the best champion in the game ever and no one can challenge me on that.

[@indrickboreale7381]

Samira + Braum = no skillshot allowed

[@gkarak1996]

@@indrickboreale7381 what about a morgana field. With a malzahar ult on samira. In a veigar e zone. As both veigar and a kow shoot them from above.

[@gamegaloo]

next is Ornn. Most wholesome champs

[@karaluchyiworsuchy]

The chaddest Chad of all Chads

[@rasmusmalmberg6468]

I don't get why Thresh doesn't count? He's fantastic at disengage and his Lantern, E and R are very effective for that purpose, and he has an ally shield. He's also called "the chain warden", but that's more of an arbitrary reason.

[@natnpc3136]

partially cause unlike most of these he only really disengages one person not your whole team while also having his kit more in tuned with catching people out with a q w q e. thresh also has many parts of many different classes.

[@儀水鏡の妖怪霊]

Thresh is a very unique case because he has been catalogued both as a tank and a catcher before. He's a mix of multiple champion types rolled into one.

[@PopcornBunni]

Thresh has nowhere near the resistance to either sustained or burst damage to be a Warden. The only time he can is in meme games that are deliberately dawn out for him to collect 300+ souls

[@quickredf0x143]

I've personally managed to peel an entire team of assassins and brawlers for a kog'maw on thresh before and allowed him to get a penta. The issue is that he can fill so many categories its kind of unfair to label him as so many. Ultimately I think he is a catcher for his hook due to it being the flashiest part of his kit, but the entire rest of his kit excels in disengage and/or lockdown.

[@someca_apenas]

I think that no champion is actually only a class, most of them work as 2 3 or more classes, you could say that kaiser is also a warden cuz he can disengage easilly taking someone out of the fight, and is pretty bad at engaging, but we say that that he is a juggernaut because he has more characteristics that fit him this way, same thing with tresh, he looks more like a engager than a warden.

[@lillyie]

who knew that selfless champions aren't doing well on a game with one of, if not the most toxic community?

[@hello-gx6oi]

The irony

[@kainrj8361]

2:40 That Braum is the only champ with that ability isn't entirely true, since Sejuanis E passive does same, though it only counts for melee attacks. If I'm not mistaken she doesn't actually have to AA the enemy first, simply being near allies is enough, but it has a per target CD on champions.

[@lukazgarza4075]

She has to activate her E manually though

[@kamikazelemming1552]

Really wish they'd change that. The fact that her E only works for melee champs can be very annoying if the majority/rest of her teammates are ranged.

[@ultimatesonic47]

she still has to activate it so she doesnt give the stun at all just lets her teammates stack it

[@Nazuiko]

@@kamikazelemming1552 Thats the point; its intended to give Sejuani more synergy with melee heavier comps, and prevents her from just landing a skill shot and then having her Cait set up the stun from 600+ units away

[@theinsanityarc]

are you going to do a "why no one plays: rell" video? I know she has 90% presence in proplay, but she has only like 2% pick rate in soloQ and around 0.8% ban rate. I often feel like i am the only rell player in soloQ

[@Yandhi._.18]

It’s because she’s a really good champ but soloQ players think why put time into learning big cc combos when I could just press WQ on alistar. People don’t want to put the time into her even though it is very worth it.

[@volcanicviper5984]

shes a champ succeeds on team coordination. good luck finding that in solo queue

[@sweetillusions5495]

TLDR in uncoordinated environments she's a shitty version of Leona. Reliant on teammates way too much.

[@Haweaz]

Because you have to play Rell very carefully. You can’t just go in whenever you feel like it, like Leona and Nautilus can. Mistiming your W is pretty much guaranteed death, and anyone with decent reaction time can dash away or interrupt it leaving her literally crawling on the ground waiting to die. Believe me I love playing Rell, have a 57% winrate with her right now but she is not a well put together Champion. Many players have told Riot of Rell’s shortcomings but haven’t addressed them.

[@gkarak1996]

Rell player here too. She has so much cc and even a heal yet you really rarely see her. She can even out damage enemies solo sometimes due to her Passive and her tons of cc.

[@stumpedtroper]

I'm actually curious how many videos you're working on at a time, and how long each video takes to make. Love your content!

[@VarsVerum]

At the current moment, including this one, I have six videos already made/being worked on by editors. I can literally disappear for 18 days (i release a video every 3 days with my new schedule now) and my channel will still have content. Since I'm now letting my editors take over all the video stuff, I spend about 3 hours on research (sometimes more or less if I'm already knowledgeable on the subject), 6 hours on scriptwriting, 2 hours recording/editing audio, then another 2 hours recording and collecting footage. I make 3 videos a week.

[@Seergun]

@@VarsVerum Interesting, it takes, VERY roughly, 1 hour per 1 minute of video

[@skelet8337]

@@VarsVerum Vars you made a mistake tank arent cut into 2 classes but 3 1) Vanguard 2) Wardens 3) The adult table with cho gath lone member

[@JediFrog]

As a Warden main, you have described EXACTLY why i LOVE playing these champs

[@kroth3049]

Wardens/Paladins are always my favorite class and agree they are underdeveloped and supported by Riot. Would love to see them lean into the class a little more. Really focus on the zones of protection aspect and also they are the only tanks allowed to have global ults (which makes sense).

[@kromtastic]

As a support Galio player, nothing is more disheartening than ult slamming their entire team, taunting them all and watching your team unable to get a single kill off it

[@nsreturn1365]

and thats why warden and tanks are not viable under Gold elo, exactly this is why. usually it would been 3-4 kills......... Coming to this game from VG high elo feels like a monkey tree.

[@hqhuy931]

Every loves a shen and a braum until the enemy assassin is so fed no amout of shield's gonna save the adc. RIP. srsly though wardens are much more consistent than vanguards cuz they dont run the risk of being killed over and over again.

[@yassinazarkan4207]

They do and if you die with a good engage to win the fight what does it matter?

[@mahatmaniggandhi2898]

@@yassinazarkan4207 this is literally my playstyle on every champ😂

[@yassinazarkan4207]

@@mahatmaniggandhi2898 if it's not intentionali it's not int

[@ghosttiger3310]

Well then there is tahm that make it almost impossibel for an assasin to kill the adc 😂

[@matthewball2354]

Vars' "on the fly" ideas are way better than anything I've seen from Riot in a long time

[@crazyMLC]

I like this specificity about wardens being "territorial" tanks. It lets you look at some other champions in a different light. Consider for example that Singed is a tank that's very much about area control because of his gas, he just lacks incentives/tools to truly act as a warden.

[@amaterasu3325]

I agree with this statement. Some characters I would place into this category would be ap shaco and gragas. Shaco can put boxes down which deny melee characters from walking in. Gragas can ult people who step up too far, put his q in places where enemies might go and use his e to disengage.

[@chabri2000]

I want a vanguard that rides on a motorcycle with a side sidecar, that lets you get an ally inside, kinds of like yumi, the ally would still be targetable and could attack and be attacked. The ally can not move by itself, instead the vanguard moves while carrying the adc, basically allowing the adc to focus on damage with out the need to kite while being carried. You can work with that idea to add some type of shield/buff/etc or limitation to either the vanguard, the adc, or both during the carry time

[@unxty]

I remember Maokai’s and Galio’s ult used to provide damage reduction for the whole team in an area around them but that ended up being too strong and got removed.

[@darkdemon5865]

I think Riot should make new warden whose main focus would be redirecting damage either to himself or even back to enemy.

[@clownactivist]

I have mained braum and taric for these exact reasons u listed at the end, "safe zones". Being able to win objective fights becomes so much easier if you are one of these champions who isnt majorly behind. Playing the macro game becomes so fun for this reason, to force the enemy into a situation where they have to challenge you vs having to challenge them is so stupid powerful in anything under diamond. With poke being really non existent now, its one of the best ways to achieve this I feel.... Or at least a really rewarding and fun one!

[@Jayceh2]

Rell somewhat bridges the gap between a Vanguard and Warden.

[@natnpc3136]

agreed i swear i love engaging and then slowly walking back to my team with my r active as some bruiser is desperately trying to leave it XD

[@a.arrondel6379]

Yes, her ability are great to peel against other engage supports and assassins

[@casualnerd8139]

I'd really like to see a warden which has a knight's vow effect, taking damage on themselfes their allies take, maybe in an area. That would kind of imitate taking aggro, as you take damage away from the others.

[@squeak5242]

Or put a smell on them that makes you take 100% of that damage and then heal 50% of it

[@Vario69]

Why isn't it a thing!!??

[@TrueAohaku]

For terrain manipulation, could be cool to have a bee champ. Create honeycomb pillars, areas of honey for healing allies/slowing enemies, AoE DoT of just BEES! Not wholy original, but could be neat.

[@flambie2234]

Poppy ult can be used offensively during laning phase to push an enemy from under their tower,denying them a big wave while you pressure them or you can go behind their tower, press r, pop your flash and you can get a guaranteed e in the wall to stun and land your full combo,its rare but there are opportunities to use poppy r offensively

[@JianYKoo]

As a shen main,once I was flamed by a Tryndamere when he is killed by a top Vayne.He said that he is waiting me to r him although he have his Ult that can let him unkillable. And after that,I quit League.

[@Dov101]

Dude my jhin flamed me once for having my r on cooldown. Like bro wtf do you want me to do, it has like a 3 minute cd.

[@alex2005z]

My vayne adc flamed me to not use my w on him when I clearly did (as lux). He must have thought luxs w was a haymaker from sett, cause he was tower divig at 30% hp

[@pm04hugo22]

That same shit happend to me with a kindred and a trynda on the same game same result here see you fellow shen main have a nice day

[@sanketower]

That "accelerating ally projectiles like Jayce's gate" idea was the original concept for Vex, but it was scrapped due to it being impossible to implement without making Vandiril rich (again).

[@christianmorris1667]

I kind of think a warden champion that resembles the idea of knights vow would be pretty cool. Say you are able to take a set (or partial amount) of debuffs for an ally but in return you gain a different stat based on what debuff you acquired, so like say your teammate got slowed, therefore you get slowed instead, but you gain a slight armor boost. An ult for this champ would be like a team wide effect where they tank a portion of damage and debuffs (not necessarily all of it) for their team for a short while, but at the end kind of spreads that to the enemy team in a fraction amount. Some form of trade off between a teammate or the whole team would be cool, say the team damage heals this champ or the better they do their job the more value you gain for your team, so its not just a 1v5 tank link old mundo or high stack cho, but more of a defensive play maker.

[@BBSKStudio]

At the end of video you was taking about potencial new Wardens and I have one! (I just randomly few years ago started to create concepts for champions) This Warden was supposed to be oldest sister of Qiyana, one that lost movement in legs because of fight between them. She later saw that Ixtal nation is strong not because they are powerful mages but because they stand united (in contrast to Qiyana) and then she becomes Priestess of Mist. The idea of this champ was to create range support tank (somewhat similar to Thresh but Full Warden). Her main gimmick was almost same like one of Singed, but with a twist. After every ability, she would for few seconds leave a wide trace of mist that would increase Regeneration of Health and Mana and also give small damage reduction for allies that stand in mist. Q was medium range skillshot with delayed knockup after second, W was old Volibear's E (antidash disruption) with small shield for allies, E was long range dash that stack twice (without any damage or cc) that creates passive mist on the way. And then the Ultimate. I decided that I want something spicy on so utility focused champ that would offer great areal denial for enemy team. After short delay (with loud and visual indication) she would deal big chunk of damage on area similar to Nasus's E and then creates zone that last for 2-3 sec and cause Disarm and Silence on enemies (without any other CC). Furthermore zone would give movement speed to ALL Champions (even enemies).

[@ThyFloorestFloor]

I really like it, it's a very good concept

[@Aquvious1]

"We can design a warden that has a oneway wall or barrier" - Poppy deep dogging a support and adc in the background. "Yes, wardens are fairly useful at protecting allies."

[@kculzsinet]

I think it would be cool to have a digger type character in which, everywhere they go they leave a trail which gives allies movement speed while on the trail but grounds enemies (without slowing them because that would be insane)

[@everythingexplained3226]

4:00 correction: there are still some shenanigans that go through his W. Gp can proc sheen and/or grasp on hits even shen is in his W. Hope the fix it but it seems to be intentional

[@Mrbillythegrim]

Braum and Ashe is one of my favorite combos bottom though. Past level 6 the enemy doesn't get to move unless you say so.

[@gamermanc6940]

What about a shaman type character that places totems with aoe's for allies and enemies. Their ult could be a protective field or boost totem effectiveness. Like one totem could be a speed boost while slowing enemies.

[@LeagueOfMinfluence]

3:47 I guess a full charge isn't used but her ult can be used to knock away a champ hugging tower towards the middle of the lane

[@keeperofthehammer6795]

Vars, a full power Poppy hammer can be used for 1 or 2 things. Sometimes it just to finish a kill on an enemy that's running away, but I use it to kick half the enemy team away from objectives, effectively singling out the jg.

[@malikbeat]

12:33 you just described pre-rework Maokai ult. It was a little different, enemies could still enter the zone around Maokai (no damage reduction obviously) and afterwards the zone dealt damage based on how much damage was absorbed by it.

[@zerlichr426]

12:00 I think that's the problem with vanguards in most sense. They are mostly underpowered, BECAUSE they feel like aura items. Remember that, Riot stated that Taric is understated, because of funnel YI. Same goes for Braum in metas when he dominated as wall vs anything. And Shen/Poppy/Galio were the most anoying top laner because of their Utility and damage they could provide.

[@justclassicglam]

Please talk about the dying class of "Mage Assassins" since the removal of mana/mana regen items, they're pretty much forced to decide between having mana with Ludens or always running out with Dark Harvester but having more bursts. AD assassins and hybrid picks will almost always be the more optimal choice because even with abilities on cooldown their auto attacks will still hurt and most AD assassins don't use mana so they have more build paths they can decide to take without having to worry about running out.

[@skymark2876]

3:46 As a poppy pseudo main I have to tell you it is possible to use Keepers Verdict as an engage to knock enemy from dragon/baron pit into you, and to knock them from under first turret into space between them.

[@Nikolai0169]

3:40 just the other day i used poppy ult to launch an enemy that tried to get himself executed in our base to our jungler

[@nikolaivladski9905]

As an aspiring game developer and designer, I watch these videos mostly for the game design aspect than the gameplay and meta aspect. And I especially have a soft-spot for underrated character designs and class and as an avid Poppy and Braum enjoyer I would say it would be absolutely fun to design a Warden champ for LoL. I actually got an idea that is similar to how Blaze work in HotS where you summon a bunker where people can occupy it and attack from inside (melee champs would get a ranged attack with a fixed range while ranged attackers would retain their default) and while inside they are protected from damage and cc, that is until the enemy destroys the bunker or when it expires.

[@BlademasterJale]

Pleasantly surprised to hear the Drowned City of Skalla music on a League video, took me a moment to remember I wasn't watching FF content.

[@abraham9324]

Hey, thank you for the video. I am waiting for terrain manipulation for a long time. Qiyana's E Terrashape gave me hope for that little bit with elemental magic. I wish they would follow up this idea to the endpoint. Like Braum not only carrying shield but also raise ice walls similar to Anivia to close off choke point for his allies.

[@sanity6969]

Really loving your videos. So much information and analysis. Good job sir. Keep it up

[@clorcestv]

I didn't quite get what's the way for Taric's Bravado to be a warden thing, as it just reduces his Q cooldown and increses his attack speed. While Braum's Q and R, Shen's E (and kinda Q) being CC abilities don't count towards warden tools even though they can be used as ally protection more, than his passive. Braum's Q is sometimes and his R is usually used reactively, which makes them considerable as "Warden things", while Taric's Passive literally only affects himself and not his allies (contrary to what was stated in the video). My thoughts are kind of messy right now, apologies if I didn't get my point across clearly.

[@conecarina2566]

Taric is my main Support Galio is my one of my main midlaners And Poppy is my main Jungler I love each of them and kinda feel surprised theres not more champions like them.

[@sloth8119]

13:00 Ironic, there's a hero in Dota 2 who's called Arc Warden, who has an ability that works mostly the same, but he's not a support at all.

[@manueltun7935]

3:40 if the enemy is running towards your fountan you can use the knockback and they will be sent to you, tactician has done this with poppy in toplane

[@inkromancer_studios]

12:54 Somewhere in Shurima Talya silently cries to herself. I agree that Wardens feel redundant to the point of useless. With skirmishers and assassins running amuck, and teamfights lasting maybe 10 seconds at the best of times nothing is going to be more valuable than the hard crowd control of a vanguard. The only real way to make them viable again would be for Riot to do something completely crazy and outrageous like, actually balance their damage champs.

[@daniklol0]

5:57 thresh thinking about galio is so wholesome 🥰

[@SeanBoyce-gp]

It's really interesting because even when they design a champion to be defensive, the players tend to try to find ways to make them more offensive. The classic "submarine" play with Shen ulting an invisible ally or turret diving with Taric or Galio's ultimates. Even Alistar's kit is really designed around peel and defensive disruption, but then QW became a standard instead of an accepted bug, and now we almost exclusively see him in an offensive role, despite the fact taht he still has almost best-in-class peel and protection, even healing his ally after sufficiently bullying their aggressors. I'd be really excited to see them design a Warden ultimate that was almost entirely defensive but incredibly exciting and rewarding.

[@floofzykitty5072]

This video actually reminded me a lot of why supports are expected to DPS and heal/shield the min amount in Final Fantasy XIV. "A dead enemy is damage mitigation", as they say.

[@armorbearer9702]

I have some ideas on how to make Braum a relevant Warden. First, Concussive Blows needs rework. Instead of only Braum getting bonus magic damage during the immunity period, have everyone do an extra 10% magic damage to the target. Next, give Stand Behind Me the option to directly leap toward an enemy champion and apply two stacks of Concussive Blows. This allows Braum to stun an enemy after an auto attack and Winter's Bite. Next, give Unstoppable the option to be cast a second time. The second cast creates an impassable ice wall that completely blocks the lane for 15 seconds. This ice wall has the same HP as Braum's bonus HP. Enemy champions have three options. They must either attack and break segments of the wall, teleport, or use an ability like Rocket Jump to scale the wall. This allows Braum to save his allies that are losing a duel or team battle. If the enemy decides to reckless jump over Braum's wall, then Braum can easily get a stun with his other abilities and an auto attack. Champions that were fleeing may turn around and finish off the stunned opponent. Combined, these abilities allow Braum the ability to give his ability to regroup or give the marksman the ability to safely engage other ranged units.

[@lexaj6886]

The MMORPG snippet at ca 12:10 give meso much anxiety. Easily 60% of the screen is filled with some random information or buttons.

[@Rettie2Play]

Hey, ya know that thing you said about creating a field that reduces incoming damage for allies? That was Maokai's old ultimate. It was silly, dumb, and outright broken if you could pull it off, especially after they attached it directly to the campion, because it stored a percentage the damage taken and then exploded after a couple of seconds, effectively punishing the enemy team for trying to do damage at all.

[@Meun]

Well one thing that wasn't mentioned was that 2 of the Wardens give armor/mr to their allies which not many other classes can do. Granting temp stat bonuses and peeling would probably be a really cool concept. I know there are items that allow enchanters to do that but I would like to see a proper tank offer up something similar while still being in the front line

[@notanotherpyro]

I think you sort of nailed it. Playing a warden well typically is more work than a vanguard, while having even more of the problem of your good plays and hard work won't always translate into wins. Like, people also need to play around you doing warden stuff typically for wardens to be useful. If Braum is going to protect you, you need to know how his kit works, and it's different than if Taric is protecting you. I think Shen gets played a lot because of his laning stage and global presence. Like if Shen's W was changed to only affect him I think it would have almost 0 impact on his playrate, I think in practice he is more like a juggernaut than most wardens.

[@mazenyasser7208]

Riot considered the "area that buffs ally projectiles" in designing Vex but they said it would take years worth of VFX work to make every projectile work with it so they scrapped that idea. You can read that in the Vex champion insights.

[@merikksoleil5648]

The entire video should have an Asterisk about Shen other than the mention at the beginning of the video. *Shen kind of breaks this mold since a lot of people play him.

[@airammsuarezgarcia8234]

Dude, I love wardens and I would really want to see more kinds of them

[@geoticmelody4581]

This one time on Tac's stream I saw him combo his R into E in the enemy jungle, that seems super niche though

[@SadToffee]

I think Shen is a bit different because his pressure comes more throughout a teamfight rather than upfront, he has engage and disengage, but what he is mainly good at is negating the enemy pressure or attacks, it's why he's so good into dive comps, he doesn't let them get to the back, and most of the wardens do things like this, but the difference is that Shen's entire kit is extremely versatile, he can chase or stop you from killing his ADC with his e, he can set up to cover his teammates with his w or he can drag his q through you and then w to make you all of a sudden out of position and caught out against a target you can't damage, Shen is strong because of the way he can modify a teamfight like clay, when you play him the positions of you and your enemy become in a sense malleable, and it really does feel great catching the enemy team out 1 by 1 while they try to kill your ADC desperately, I love his gameplay, especially because during lane I can fix the int from my teammates, I can even out their lane with one good ult, it's amazing.

[@kiawewoof4526]

i kinda want to see a karthus like aura, where you turn it on and off for an aura that either heals slowly, or builds shields slowly or just increasing armor or MR while allies and the character is in the aura

[@A.C_B.]

Wardens are probably the class with the greatest difference in play-rate between competitive and solo-queue. It feels much better to play something like Braum, when you have an insane team-fight adc on your team like lwx, teddy or upset. In Solo-Queue, there is no guarantee that the ally you chose to protect will actually will you the fight. Also: Wardens usually have pretty bad laning phases, and struggle to snowball, both qualities much appreciated in soloQ.

[@purpleinkling5452]

Hey it’s that song I hear when I step on a billion land mines while getting pox’d by mimics.

[@PopcornBunni]

An idea for a warden I had was a slightly-longer-than-melee range champion (Lilia rangeish?) with autos that marked enemies. If an ally attacked the marked enemy, or if the warden hit them with a spell while marked, they would be pushed backward, basically letting the ADC have access to a Vayne E as long as the warden moved in on the opponent to mark them. The rest of their kit would be designed around knocked back or dashing enemies, like summoning pillars that let out an electric shock when an enemy is pushed near or dashes near them. Maybe allow a kind of semi-insec like Poppy can do with another of their abilities. I wanted to have autos that marked to go in the reverse of so many passives that work based on your abilities marking and detonating with your autos. That way you would always have access to the mark for your teammates to use, and it would open up uses for spells without having to balance them around all of them marking the opponent.

[@mjul7003]

I always enjoyed playing wardens and enchanters. There's a level of activity that happens in my brain when I have to worry about my allies on TOP of my enemies that I don't get when I play something like Renekton. It might not look like much to a spectator, but juggling so many factors before, during and after a teamfight on top of being the primary vision control for my team is just CRAZY satisfying. I'm currently climbing to Gold in the support role and I'm quite close to making it happen. I would love to see more creatively designed defensive/supportive champs in the game. An idea that I always had was that of a champion that can put up a wall or some other form of terrain that absorbs damage & CC from attacks and abilities that it intercepts, then discharges some percentage of the damage and CC back at the enemy team in a wide area. I have no idea if this would break the game or be really hard to balance, but I think it's a neat concept.

[@giorgiozeniquel3153]

Just so you know, Vex’s original gameplay created portals that extended the distance allied missiles traveled but it was scrapped because it required for every single ability in the game to have proper VFXs, so an extension mechanic is off the table ig

[@garyfalloud3597]

That idea with enhancing allies' projectiles has been thought and it was an idea for Vex, but, as they said, it would take way too much efford to accomplish. Theoretically it is, of course, possible, but it is not a realistic feature for a future champion.

[@antoinepfen9904]

You can actually make use of a charged Poppy ultimate offensively ! If you're ganking or cutting off an enemy who's hugging their tower, and if you are between them and their base you can bump them out of their tower and then chase them down. It's tricky to pull off since you need to charge the R just enough to get the knockback effect and not send them too far away, but it's really satisfying when it works.

[@Tier3RoderikaSimp]

3:50 i sometimes use the ult in an 1v1 Or 2v2. Not to get them of me But as a knock up

[@homiecide8684]

“Stay behind me”can be use in yourself too

[@DevonCosmos]

I hate how I've been through the dungeon the first BGM is from so many times that I assumed I'd entered a Lvl 70 Duty Roulette.

[@Lunar1us]

"No one freaks out when they see a Shen ultimate" Skooch in his latest videos: "OBJECTION!"

[@abdullahbinmadhi8306]

bruh same reaction XD, Shen ult is the most ults enemy have to care about.

[@FrostMaster9]

For anyone wondering, the music is from FFXIV, called Far From Home, from The Drowned City of Skalla.

[@alexanderrobinson4387]

Thank you for this video. Wardens are an underappreciated class and there is little material on how to use them.

[@dorkyrain]

I dont know if anybody else noticed but the jingle starting at the very beginning of the video sounded exactly like "The Measure of His Reach" from FFXIV in minor key

[@fetusdeletus1179]

Completely different game, but in Paladins(the knockoff of Overwatch) there is a VERY interesting and powerful tank that completely epitomizes what a warden tank should be: the only reason I ever picked the game up was purely for Inara, who in my opinion is the greatest tank that I have ever played in any MMO, RPG, MOBA, or class based shooter. Inara's kit revolves around standing on an objective and making sure no one can get her off, coming with insane amounts of CC and self-peel. Most of it revolves around terrain-building, with a rock spike she can make that slows enemies and gives her damage resistance as well as a big wall that blocks chokepoints. Inara is ridiculously tough to kill if you time her cooldowns right and have a healer at your back, but her kit would fit perfectly into a warden for league: a terrain-making poke ability, an AoE slow and buff field made by a seperate HP item, a personal shield, and a charged stun ultimate. A warden with abilities like that could be incredible at zone control and also be able to make a, "You can't get out" area with a wall and zone field combo. Seeing as league is getting to be much more fast-paced and movement heavy, both aspects of modern class shooters, maybe this could be a new generation of Warden tank?

[@praimi13]

Fun Fact, vex was originally going to be able to buff allied projectiles but it was seen as cost effective having fo work with all current projectiles to make them interact with vex

[@Lukanaya]

Always nice to hear ffxiv music in your great videos :D

[@g7parsh]

It's kinda funny how you mentioned the range extension thing as a neat ability when they just came out and said they wanted to do it, but the vfx cost was too high

[@spectralspectra2282]

3:40 have you ever sent someone off their tower with your ult into between the two towers in bot or top?

[@alexmorrison3442]

So, toplane Warden idea, seems like it would thematically fit with the Shadow Isles too. The first idea I thought of was soul-shackle, probably the W, but when used on an ally it transfers damage from then to the caster, when used on an enemy it would transfer damage they deal to the caster back at them, obviously it would be a lot less when cast on an enemy that when on an ally. Because of this they would need a passive HP scaling associated either in their passive or on the ability itself. Some kind of CC would also be good, I was thinking a large AoE slow that also grounds (but doesn't interrupt dashes like Poppy) that they can place around themselves, around the size of a Rell ulti or Thresh ulti. This could be a basic ability or Ulti if, after a few seconds it applies a snare or stun/knock-up. Obligatory dash. And then another area of denial ability be it through terrain generation or hard cc.

[@targetthyself]

The easiest Warden design they could do was one that could deny cs. Farm is such a crucial part of so many champions core kits have something that could answer Nasus stacks, or even just gain leads alternatively by roaming and denying waves in the mid game could be a very interesting design.

[@МихаилПенев-ф6с]

When you said that at 12:27 I thought of old maokai ulti

[@wavergaming]

No DMG?? "Laughs in Divine Surrender Poppy"

[@psalmyyvan]

I wish there was a warden with a skill like knights vow, which can be toggled. Like, you will absorb 50% damage your allies receive within 400 units around you. Then the ultimate can be, heal all damage you receive for 3 seconds, including execute. If you have 500hp left, if a pyke ult will exec u, instead it heals you 500 hp. Or if a veigar Q will damage u for 267, it heals you that amount.

[@JustAguy006]

Simple, they are tanks that don’t have cc and aren’t good at protecting. Why need a warden when you can have Lulu or Yuumi as a sup and top or jg tanks instead? CC is just better right now. Plain and simple

[@Mossymushroomfrog18]

Braum, Taric, Poppy and Galio: Am I a joke to you?

[@holycrapitsachicken]

@@Mossymushroomfrog18 He has a point though. Lulu is far better at peeling off an assassin dive than any warden. Tahm Kench is the only one who can do a comparable job.

[@Mossymushroomfrog18]

@@holycrapitsachicken oh yeah absolutely, and even then Tahm has to waste his ult

[@theimmortaleye7511]

@@holycrapitsachicken only thing i might add is that lulus low range can make her become the newprime target and the enemy rushes her down before she can do anything, with wardens their tankyness forbids that since the ressources it takes to kill them arent worth it to focus them unlike enchanters.

[@BartixShieldsmen]

Counter point, Janna, Lulu etc. very much so have the risk of getting blown up and it's hard to keep people alive when you're dead, as well as that they are much more reliant on getting their items than a Warden. If a Janna goes 0/5 she can pretty much only try for max range tornadoes and have a 150 DMG shield. A 0/5 Galio still knocks up everyone who walks into the no no zone and still has a big ass taunt, A Braum can still walk in front of a veigar and block his Q and ult and possibly survive with E. Focusing an enchanter is a way to turn the game into a 4 v 5 with a mobile piggy bank, focusing a tank is just an invitation for someone to kill you.

[@ghostlycrescenteuwlulumain2653]

12:25 you mean like the old Maokai ultimate that hot removed

[@underlvlmagikarp7247]

Tank main here. I play a few vanguards, but I often find myself playing more Wardens(Poppy main) and here is why. The solo grind in league is complicated... I may own almost every champ and know most of their abilities, ranged, average dmg, etc; that does not mean my teammates do. Communication is key, but what if you and your teammates aren't used to cooperating... This often leads to a need for more defensive gameplay(where wardens shine). Besides if the enemy gets fed early you still have a chance if you can hold out. As a Poppy main I can deny the fed champs dash onto my carry and then go for hard cc(as you said) or charge ult their tank/carry out of a teamfight making it easier to win. Also an almost charged ult is good in a offensive way when you are being chased through jungle towards THEIR nexus. You can ult the chasing carry and they will fly over you land somewhere in front of you now so you can try to wall stun them.