Warframe Reworks

[@NovaUmbral]

Fellas! Sorry about the small typo at the beginning, I couldn't be bothered to render again :p The sources have been linked in the description like always.

[@hothstorm]

Excalibur slide attack blinds cost 25 each. They have never been free

[@NovaUmbral]

On initial rework they were, which is why I had the title of the intro 16.9 Excalibur revisited

[@martiandesertboy]

One thing i dont like about warframes community is their passive aggressiveness to updates like they support the game with money frequently, its a free game and the updates are good asf and make sense. This might be the only game next to COD that has a nitpicky community but we dont have pay warframe💀. Lets just appreciate and show love when we can. Solid video but the passive aggression made me ick a bit

[@Sfzgxd]

You forgot to mention that tidal surge now groups enemies. Other than that stellar content as always.

[@hothstorm]

@@NovaUmbral 80% sure that it was full cost on rework and the only note i found is them lowering the cost, but it was included with a nerf so its possible i'm wrong.

[@BalaDeSilver]

18:00 Sea water actually corrodes vessels by galvanic corrosion, actually. It's not just erosion, but actual corrosion.

[@blueray2174]

One thing have to disagree is his themeing, OG Hydroid had 4 water abilities and 2 half pirate abilities, now he's got 2 half pirate half water abilities, one water ability and one pirate ability as well as a thematic and useful passive, so while i do agree that it would have been cool to have puddle actually do something as he is right now he's got more than enough to the point the puddle would probably bloat the kit, special mention to the fact he's now one of the best new players Frames in the game.

[@bintangbachtary6651]

Yeah the reason hydroid rework being the way it is is because of yareli, that's why DE reimagining his entire theme while keeping the pirate and why puddle imo will not fit into his kit and theme.

[@Kintaro-shenanigans]

I used to main hydroid and get shamed for it, this makes me happy :))

[@celestialkitsune]

Bet this feels cathartic now. I mained Saryn before her reworks, just because of her toxin based playstyle.

[@sircombat3259]

If only it can happen to Inaros too! I love Inaros mostly cuz of his egyptian theme- but his gameplay, while pretty funny to use, still feels boring

[@NorthernHarker]

@@sircombat3259 Pretty fun but boring. Hm. Interesting

[@БОМБАСТИЧЕН]

I was one of the original 7 wukong mains… welcome to the “used to be bad now it’s praised” club

[@tylersullivan4446]

They killed my boi puddle prime

[@BZUltimix]

Hydroid is the only frame that can fully armour strip with anything he does, and ironically/coincidentally by using the same status effect that nerfed him in the past (Update 27.4) I'm glad that I didn't get rid of my "free" Hydroid Prime when DE finally made his trailer lol 👍

[@BlueBolt5000]

Same here. I'm glad I kept my free Hydroid Prime too.

[@Purturtur]

Honestly undertow and tidal surge being on the same button with tap and hold would have been fantastic

[@ReeceRacc]

Or just activate to turn into a puddle, and moving would turn you into a wave

[@ethanemerson4862]

( 0:33 ) No, the Slide-blind is not free. Look at the energy bar every time he uses it.

[@NovaUmbral]

I should have clarified but that section was about Excalibur on the initial rework state (hence the intro title, 16.9)

[@addmen96]

I bet it'll take another 10 years or so before DE decide to give Valkyr a rework

[@Johnpdf]

valkyr def needs a rework, she technically works fine but shes clunky and half her abilities are useless. her 4 while it does good damage has a goofy stance

[@Metaknight145]

Eh. I'm a Valkyr stan and I will die on the hill that she's good and only her 3 needs to be changed to actually do something, her 1 can stay as a meme and a helminth slot. You only need to bind crouch + melee to a single key and that's it. Her spin attacks and her aerial attacks are the attacks in her stance that actually have damage multipliers. 200% for the Aerials and 300% on her spins. If you can do her spin attacks easily with a single key she turns into a living blender of death. Slap an armor strip on her, like Therros Strike, and boom she can effortlessly do any non-levelcap content in the game. She's my go to Frame for painlessly doing my weekly netracells. Get every debuff none of which she cares a single shit about, activate 4, then just tear through the level completely invulnerable without a care in the world. No effort, no think, no survive, only spin and win. I regularly get the most kills and the most kills to lower alert level in the squad with her. I don't think a Warframe that can effortlessly do all the non-levelcap content in the game needs a rework. I think its the ones that require tremendous effort to get them through content in the game that need reworks. Yeah, every frame can do all content. But which ones require you to move heaven and earth to do it? Which ones require a little tweak to do it? And which ones just kinda do it?

[@Johnpdf]

@@Metaknight145 everybody knows valkyr can do good damage but her kit sucks, its just spin to win theres nothing to it, she does need a rework but not as much as other frames, its basically like old inaros, he survived fine for most missions people do but thats it

[@artificialintelligence0101]

Day one player here took about a year later off of the game. just getting back into the swing of things searching for videos just like this. I appreciate the thorough assessment and the hard work and dedication that it takes into critiquing such a complex game. well done.

[@fran99080]

Like you said, I would have loved to see hydroid having undertow in the same ability as tidal surge since they work the same thematically. Having the tap be tidal surge and hold be a reworked undertow would be amazing. I don't have as many gripes with the rework as you though. I still think they did a good job, and the abilities will still be used in a lot of scenarios.

[@Stormandreas]

I'm glad there are other creators echoing the same thing I've been saying about Undertow and Plunder, great work Nova!

[@NovaUmbral]

And you’ve done a great job the same, wonderful video!

[@RBRSC]

Yeah, the 1 is tremendously buffed (arguably one of the top 5 in the game now and probably only fighintg with Nourish as a top Helminth ability). 2 QOL is nice. 4 is .... underwhelming, but an improvement. Plunder is a severe step down from Undertow (both as an effective ability, and as the synergistic centre of his kit). And even if this were a whole new frame just released without any history to it.... a weirdly redundant ability that anti-synergies with his passive. And an armor bonus that is effectively meaningless (an unmodded Grendel will still have like 4 times a fully Plundered Hydroids eHP)

[@nobodyscomment929]

​@@RBRSC Plunder allows Hyrdoid to permanently armor strip via max corrosive procs which is only possible thanks to his passive, how is that not synergistic? Also, in my opinion, undertow was a horrible ability that really had no purpose being in Warframe with it fast-paced and fluid movement. Being a literal puddle on the ground with a crappy movement mechanic was awful.

[@PetroleumJellyJuggernaut]

​@RBRSC did u really just say it's competing with nourish????

[@RBRSC]

@@nobodyscomment929 His max corrosive procs can come from anywhere. But when you 100% armor strip... Corrosive is the worst damage type to actually have. As referenced by Stormandreas, this synergy is also generally pointless. An armor stripped enemy is dead before the procs wear off so Permanent vs Temporary does not contribute to an actual effectiveness (up until it works on Archons or Eidolons, which it does not). They're also prettymuch dead even without that bonus damage buff too as that goes. Which leaves the ability as an armor buff that is a ton of setup to get and has a mediocre actual benefit because Hydroid isn't statistically speaking, any sort of chunky health frame. II'm not going to do an in-depth on how Undertow worked. But your argument means that Mesa is also terrible, and Assimilate Nyx. If you don't know or grasp the concept of toggling an ability on and off thats on you. You could pretty easily puddle drop onto enemies, quickly yank anyone else in sight in with the melee button, pop out and do a heavy attack on the now gathered enemies before. The only real problem with dashing variant was the 2 pushing people out as well, and they specifically fixed that in the rework.

[@BeeBeeBeeLol]

They don't want to add pilfering swarm into his base kit because that would bleed too much into Nekros. Nekros doesn't have to build for it, Hydroid does. Plunder contributes to the "pirate" theme at face value now. Either way, the hydroid rework was aiming to do one thing and one thing only, Bring him to the end game. They did that. You can either just sit there and spam tempest barrage away all day if you find that fun or you can take advantage of plunder and buff your weapons. 2 methods of enjoyment + ease of use + power fantasy easily checks all the marks like you said, If you find it boring well, that's on you lol. That's why there are 50 warframes and not just a warframe that has roar, eclipse, nourish absorb+its augment all in one. The spice of life my guy, i'm sure you know what it is.

[@somedude5819]

His complaint is that hydroid's thematically kinda got shafted over, which, as a hydroid main before his rework, he kinda did. Go look at his prime trailer. Undertow being gone kinda takes away from it, no? They should've kept it in, AND added plunder.

[@dragconen]

@@somedude5819 Undertow never worked well for me even with max range when I used his two enemies would fall out that aside undertow took away most of what we think warframe is about that being the movement system and being unable to use my weapons loadout. I still find warframe so enjoyable and a large part of that is using my guns and melee while using the movement system and sitting in a puddle just made me want to use a different frame.

[@theta-rx2]

I actually would argue that the hydroid rework was kinda really good, like he is not just a weapons platform, he has also remained the cc that made him who he was. I could only really see something like undertow staying if it became highly mobile with it swimming through the ground, but warframes with an integral part of their kit tied to gimmicky movement historically has gone quite poorly (despite how much fun i personally think the frame in question is nowadays), so i dont really know what else they could have done there really, like undertow was his main survivability tool, so they gave him a survivability tool to gain armor, which he was kinda lacking on, and this filled a hole in his kit. Now when i play hydroid i really feel like an eldritch pirate caption in the middle of the storm with the cc and debuffs from his one and his 4. Tidal surge is great now but i think it could do with a little more control, hell maybe even add an alt function and put puddle on there as a way to heal, that could be a neat way to reincorporate it while keeping the new stuff. Idk i personally really enjoy it and it could use a tweak or two here but overall it made him much more fun to actually play, instead of just being used solely as a thing when you are bored ya know? Edit: oh hey you had the same idea i guess lol

[@ReeceRacc]

His puddle and wave should have been combined. Puddle when stationary, and turn into a wave when moving. Think of it as more of a "water form" ability.

[@lucasfraczek4320]

I think my only one gripe with Hydroid's rework is that there's no compound effect on Plunder, so if you use it at the right time you'll get LESS bonus damage and armor... They need to make it so last armor on Corrosive procs add up and not do what I just mentioned, it gets a little annoying. 😓

[@Masochistickoala]

@user-gt7vi9jm9mno its based on the amount of corrosive stacks you "plunder".

[@MortalTempest]

If a frame turns off the game at low level it makes the game even worse for new players. If you start a new game and it's just a walking sim because everyone else is doing the content so fast you can't interact with it you aren't going to play the game for long. That's why Embers WoF got nerfed, it was actively making new players leave the game.

[@Wonback]

Still waiting for my Loki rework, its been 10 years

[@doitfaster9553]

Hear me out go playing hunting simulator in the open world its fun

[@BlackenedEclipseCurse]

I think i seen this idea somewhere but id love it if hydroids four just summoned pools of water around battlefield and a cluster of tentacles emerged from them when enemies got close and pulled into the depths, similar to undertoe but several of them. It would be a roundabout way of keeping undertoe yeah, but those tentacles need something.

[@kyaii]

This video is great and outlines some important perspectives on the term "rework"! Regardless, great as always, keep it up

[@futurescholar25]

It's funny that for years people bashed on hydroids puddle as crap and now that its gone people are like " now that i think about it was good/thematic/funny" and want it back or as a second passive when crouching. Personally i agree with adding anything to tenticle swarm to make the "kraken" part more apparent.

[@AlvinEarthworm]

I noticed that too. A lot of people are either trolling or high on the copium right now.

[@shadeyshroomy4006]

Undertow was never fun and never worked correctly. Like I just hate the puddle so much.

[@badash1738]

Lets talk about this man crediting people's footage! Mad Respect for ya! And the video is rad man! Keep it up!

[@zetomer5468]

21:40 I feel like for the creature in the 4th ability, it could move towards the closest enemy if it doesn't hold any enemies, this could cause issues for defense missions but.. you got the 1st ability, which solves the issue in my opinion because you could plop down the kraken and spam 1 while he swims around killing enemies in low level nodes and preventing enemies from attacking the target in higher levelled ones

[@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT]

The moment I saw this I had to drop my video editing dude. Can’t miss my Nova fix.

[@TilDrill]

Small correction to the intro Excaliburs blind on slide attack does cost energy

[@lastchance1829]

Id argue hydroid lost none of his crowd control, tempest barrage stun locks anything that isn't an eximus or an acolyte, and tentacle sqarm is just a better version of what it was. And imo, puddle was a joke, all it did was hold his kit back, plunder is great for increasing damage of your kit and weapons, and only sits weirdly because his stats are still shield based. The perma strip is only there because it takes all the corrosive stacks off the enemies and bases your buff off of that

[@jackfoxe5948]

Im personally going to miss Undertow. I might be one of the few people that actually got enjoyment out of just sitting under objectives as a big puddle. Especially with the augment that made undertow heal things standing in it actually working on said objectives as well. It wasnt godlike levels of healing by any means, but it still felt nice to blorp down onto a hurt defense pod and slowly fix it while just also telling every melee attacker to promptly f*** off.

[@Alzir-n9m]

Even though I feel sorry for the people laid off and the fanbase in general, man, I feel bitterly vindicated toward some of the toxic haters of warframe that began worshipping bungie's farts.

[@mr.v1442]

*cries in space dragon*

[@noahedenborg4221]

Does chroma really count as a dragon He kinda just wears a dragon pelt almost like doctor strange cloak

[@mr.v1442]

@@noahedenborg4221 shhh, at least let him have this chroma is already useless, you dont have to beat him more

[@switchiro5262]

Note: Ember got her World On Fire nerf before Hildryn was released

[@NovaUmbral]

The main point wanted to make was that Hildryn had received a similar ability, when DE themselves stated that they are not a fan of set and forget, when Haven is... exactly just that.

[@enderreaper9240]

His plunder ability buffs the corrosive damage of his 4th attack (at least in my experience), so it synergizes very well with his 4th ability.

[@camelusdromedarius3789]

Love Hydroid's rework because I love weapons platform warframes.

[@zacharykrause7741]

Rewatching this video knowing the inaros rework is coming in three days, I think Pablo nailed it. He’s keeping inaros theme and play style, without just giving him brain dead damage.

[@56safety]

They should have changed undertow so that hydroid instead of sinking, rises up on to the bow of a ship that pulls enemies under. Also tentacle swarm should be changed to follow hydroid if undertow is being used but more importantly: Jerry, the kraken, increases in size enough to wear hydroid's ship as a hat.

[@shizukousapostle1stapostle710]

19:30 he didn't went from a CC frame to a weapons platform, he went from a stagnant CC and low level damage dealer to a CC and high level damage dealer, his first and fourth provide amazing CC still along with the damage, he is no less a CC frame

[@Psion_Phoenix]

I do agree they should of kept his undertow. But made it into the first unique crouch ability, like how some frames have unique rolls. Whenever he crouches, he goes into a puddle for as long as he wants, but can still take damage via area damage and takes more electric damage while in undertow. They could even removed his tidal surge and gave that to him as his unique roll animation and given us another ability along with plunder.

[@jacoryarnett7347]

I wish DE keep his undertow ability and give us an option to let hydroid switch his abilities from plunder to undertow just like other warframes switchable abilities (vauban, ivara, and xaku).

[@facundoc602]

a corrosive undertow could scale really hard

[@fran99080]

tap tidal surge hold undertow would be fire

[@facundoc602]

@@fran99080 that reminds me to lavos's 3rd and somehow zephyr's 4th that could make sense and feel good to play i'm sure rebeca would love your idea(she wanted to place undertow into helminth sistem but the team decided not to, well i agree that it could be weird) i'd prefer tap for tidal surge since you want to go fast, and hold for undertow like you said

[@cinderpsycho1985]

I'm agreeing it might not have been a perfect rework but no undertow shouldn't have stayed without a drain we'd just end up with a frame that can't take damage at all press a button go afk... Kinda like old defy or if League brings some warnings don't make a Yummi Warframe....

[@NovaUmbral]

Right which is why I suggested a tune up like Cloudwalker 2.0, its a shorter duration spell that won't let Hydroid simply sit in i-frame state forever or even if the power was combined lets say as an idea, ensure that undertow would still force player out after X seconds to ensure more active play.

[@AlvinEarthworm]

​@@NovaUmbral The ability already exists though. It's called Tidal Surge. With its augment it's infinitely spammable and gives you i-frames and status immunity. It's also really good now at gathering up mooks. Having two similarly functioning abilities in his kit would have been redundant.

[@cinderpsycho1985]

​@@NovaUmbraleven with a tune up I think undertow is crap. Maybe it could have been implemented into his ultimate like the kraken eats victims or something?

[@XKietseroX]

Ok but summoning the kraken over a whirlpool that constantly pulls bad guys into a tentacle swarm that’s being pelted by tempest barrage would have been awesome

[@Kubrixss]

I Miss Old Ember...

[@heathmorris6100]

I kinda miss world on fire. I enjoyed seeing enemies burst into flames as I launch past them much more than her current 4

[@toxicsneeze]

The ember question is really interesting actually... I wonder where she would be if she hadn't been targeted for a nurf....

[@shadowandroid758]

Undertow made Hydroid viably bypass detection on stealth missions, just so long as he didn't have to deal with slants.

[@Walt_Chocolate]

My boi hydroid made the grade. I am grateful for lord Pablo. Hopefully future reworks get the same luv. Nice video btw🎉

[@kandihustty5610]

The only thing i'd of fixed with undertow is that it just spit out enemies instead of holding onto them when you move. So you were basically stuck in one place till everything in your puddle died.

[@Blythe985]

7:33 No that is literally not a rework. Numbers changes are balance changes. Not a rework

[@Direwolf13PS3]

When Oberon got reworked there was a gigantic pool of Oberon rework feedback threads telling DE that he needed more help. Unfortunately DE didn't listen to those people and Oberon is just as mediocre as he was before his rework. A master of nothing, and the butt of all support related jokes.

[@GoatOfWar]

Valkyr's 1 and 3 immediately come to mind lol

[@Raionhardt]

Embers 2nd rework/adjustments and augments has made her one of the strongest AOE frames in the game. It's wild that people sleep on her still

[@HexaGhost286]

I can't imagine Valkyr getting a rework ever

[@mueezyusuf7181]

We can only hope…😢

[@HexaGhost286]

@@mueezyusuf7181 Yeah, but at least she isn't too bad at the moment

[@ecbrd8478]

kind of impressed grendel didn't even get a mention in this video

[@NovaUmbral]

Didn't wanna make this video too long but I have plans to discuss grendel in greater detail in the future

[@needsmctherapy1447]

it was a sad day for me when the puddle got removed that singular ability was what made me go out of my way to get Piss Puddle Prime while he was vaulted for platinum and enjoy trolling ppl in defense

[@Negruzzu]

I haven’t played Hydroid in the past because of his lackluster power and slow build up compared to other frames. Yes it might not be be the best rework as you said but it is miles better than what he was, i really got to finally get him a loadout, some formas onto him, a decent and little bit more expensive build than what i had on him. It was so bad that i actually was surprised that i only had mods that were available at his prime release….

[@madsvigan2898]

Remember When rhino iron skin used duration? Then changed and became worthless Then the rework today. I remember, I was there at every aspect, and I never dropped Rhino. Been my main for well over 10 years.

[@RapTapTap69]

I actually have a prediction for inaros. He's going to be radiation based similar to how hydroid is corrosive based and grendel is toxin based

[@torunsmok5890]

Radiation, mummy Radioactive decay, mummy rot Yeah I can see it! Plus pocket sand and sandstorm confusing, misdirection enemies into attacking each other It could work, but then... His existing kinda gimmick of doing true damage is really cool

[@kylemasson9324]

@@torunsmok5890 Just let Inarnos overheal, maybe with a reworked Devour, and rework his sandstorm to being a sandstorm *aura* (maybe a new type of pseudo-exaulted weapon?), and suddenly Inaros would be a surprisingly good pick again for sheer, raw, tank, with a solid aura

[@MyDemon32]

@@torunsmok5890 That's just Nyx 2.0

[@ugandalorian495]

Ha you did it sooner than I thought Making a hydroid video after the rework

[@D3M0Ndotexe]

I’m waiting for chroma to get a rework, he’s honestly my favorite frame his 1 needs to change and maybe his 4

[@WorldBridger70]

An idea that comes to mind, what if they visually changed undertow to enhance the horror theme. Have undertow make a water dome around Hydroid as they move, lifting enemies inside and helplessly drowning them as they are pulled along with the current. Just the idea of undertow's victims floating around you

[@noahedenborg4221]

So a water bubble that lifts enemy's dealing dmg Hmm that's neat

[@Lordbobomb]

Man i miss Em's World on Fire. Yeah i see why it was replaced but i loved Ember as she was, overpowered or not. The drama around her deluxe skin didn't help either.

[@fullarmedtoaster8036]

I love the more informational type of content you make. But i have a question. Is it inspired by the vars guy from lol?

[@xXSonyKilerXx]

Absolutely my new main(hydroid)

[@TylerTheLoser_]

I really wanna know why Hydroid *didn't* get to keep Undertow. It was by far the most memorable part of his kit. Tidal Surge feels like a hacked off extension of Undertow that could've just been bound to the roll or bullet jump of Undertow. Drowning enemies was sick. If Grendel gets to eat them, why can't Hydroid drown them?

[@russianjacket2194]

All those frames getting major upgrades while my boy atlas is crying in a corner with his not so good damage and only 2 real good abilities on his kit.

[@AlvinEarthworm]

You must not be building him correctly. Give him the right stat stick and he can easily one shot most enemies. Even hours into a Steel Path endurance.

[@DoctorGrimmothy]

I wonder who is gonna get reworked next

[@rainingdeathx3368]

Reworks never get people excited until pablo says he's designing it

[@comradeoctober2836]

He gave the most bullshit answer on getting rid of undertow imo

[@zekolonon]

Hydroid is by far the best rework of all of them.

[@andrewgrasman8951]

Water does corrode, especially water from the ocean

[@saverofthehumens]

I knew why Ember got *burnt* so bad was cause the noobs started bitching about her.

[@b-17theflyingfortress]

Hydroid, is he a pirate? A kraken? Or an avatar of the ocean? It's either all of it or none of it, we will never know....

[@nisms5048]

I agree so well with the hydroid rework. I wish we still had puddle. the rework was great absolutely power crazy frame. But really I wish they made puddle more useful so that people would fear the deep blue instead of worry they will be caught in the rain

[@AlvinEarthworm]

The puddle was crap. Hydroid is better off without it.

[@johnsen4977]

Adding vortex to Hydroid's Undertow would simply make it similar to Yareli's 4 and somehow Inaros's 3. I think DE tried hard to keep the undertow to just for his theme but the concept of being stationary was simply counter-intuitive for the whole gameplay. However, I agree that the kraken needs to be released

[@mysteriousstranger5873]

“Hydroid turned himself into a puddle! Can you believe it? It was the funniest shit I’ve ever seen!”

[@infractal5033]

9:00 I got totally taken out of it when I saw *his* name.

[@YsoKain]

It's funny cuz I've been telling my clan that most reworks are basically just "change element = rework" . This doesn't mean that reworks are bad but some feel miniscule

[@juliusamobi733]

This man. Hydroid went from episode 1 luffy to gear 5 th luffy 😂. The change is crazy

[@rodd-hunter1675]

Love your video. 1+ sub. 👏👏👏

[@elsensei666]

6:23 Nice Sonic Frontiers ost 😮

[@GreatChadz]

Love this man keep it up what next warframe

[@robbie8407]

You come off as incredibly ungrateful lol, they made a largely unplayable character not only playable, but viable and good. Sure, 'boring' compared to what they could have done, but i'm not 'settling' for this version of hydroid, i am accepting this version of hydroid as how they wanted to rework this character and I am grateful that it's in a good place now.

[@AlvinEarthworm]

Agreed. Hydroid is actually viable for high level missions now. I've played him more in the past few weeks than I did during the last five years. That is proof enough that the rework was a success.

[@jasonboehringer4583]

Its called criticism. DE watches umbral, and has taken his advice

[@UmbralWuju]

L take

[@Forsakenruler]

@@UmbralWujuyour life is a L take

[@zekolonon]

W take. (It’s also his opinion)

[@mexicanprime106]

my boi frost needs some love

[@AllFiery]

The new ember world on fire now is Gauss' thermal sunder

[@zacharyhsieh9358]

He doesn't match thematically but he's still crazy fun with a lot of weapons so I'm not complaining.

[@eggseed6543]

Honestly i like the changes, but ill forever miss and repress the choice of removing puddle. They could remove the surf as it was useless but puddle was my dearly

[@grazzhopper6799]

inaros sould be reworked into the "swarm" frame

[@eoschar2758]

Nice. Now we need a frost rework. And inaros. And nyx.... and a lot more. Do u think we will have more reworks? I mean,without waiting YEARS,of course. I'd do one thing,and call me crazy but... what if DE just stops making new wfs for a time aaaand starts making more reworks? Idk. I would love it. I feel there are too much warframes and reworks might revitalize the game more even than new warframes so...? I know I know,dreaming is free and DE probably wont do this,I dont even think we will have any rework in the next..1 year?2? Anyway.

[@zer0rama572]

For me personally hydroid it much better but..... He still feels the same. Unlike when wukong got a rework, he got stronger and felt completely different. Am glad hydroid finally got a rework and is stronger but he doesn't feel like he has changed at all

[@AlvinEarthworm]

He can actually kill things now. Seems like a big change to me.

[@charlieevert9351]

I’m going miss undertow 😢

[@zearcjustice7837]

valkyr main still waiting for update be like

[@robsquare2622]

Please im begging someone rework chroma from having 1 ability and 3 funny buttons you can press if you want

[@tomf3373]

My clan leader found a way to make puddle extremely broken. He found a way to do millions in damage with its tick

[@comradeoctober2836]

How

[@tomf3373]

@@comradeoctober2836 the ticks scaled up with damage enemies take in the puddle, so he used the penta on the floor and puddled over it with max range. The ticks would do something like 10% * (100 + previous damage on enemies) * number of enemies in puddle.

[@comradeoctober2836]

@@tomf3373 that's really badass, so it would work with ogris night watch napalm and the zenith pistol thing to a lesser extent then?

[@TurretsGunZ]

Odd that you didnt talk about the less good reworks like Vauban, Nyx and at the time Titania before she got much better.

[@josequiles7430]

I'd say Nyx has never really gotten a full rework, just a couple changes to some abilities, which aside from the one to her 2 were pretty minor

[@spoofs974]

Street fighter 3 second impact ost 👍

[@sorantohell5096]

3 months later, saying Hydroid rework was a bust is just wrong. He is now viable for endgame, and if anything, it's one of the best CC frames in the game now. You actually see people running him in endgame now, unlike before, where you would see one or 2 leveling him for mastery. He definitely went from zero to hero in his rework.

[@Zarkator]

your ember story reminded me of wukong too. At his release, wukong was my favorite warframe, and I knew full well he wasn't the best by any means, so when they reworked him and gutted defy in favor of celestial twin, it left a bad taste in my mouth that he become the most popular warframe ever for a while, and then they renerfed his 4, and then they nerfed the twin, so now all he's actually good for is moving with his 2. hes still super popular, but hes not the wukong I once knew.

[@madkingace1798]

wukong is brokenly op atm

[@AlvinEarthworm]

What are you talking about? Wukong was just a useless Defy bot before his rework. Now he has a full and useful kit that makes him great at the vast majority of content. You're just salty that you can't AFK with him anymore.

[@Zarkator]

@@AlvinEarthworm did you read any of what I said???

[@comradeoctober2836]

@@Zarkator don't mind him the fucker is a troll. I feel and understand what you mean, everything that you liked about your favorite frame gets changed so it turns into just a painful reminder

[@AlvinEarthworm]

​@@Zarkator Yes I did. You said he was your favorite frame on release, which obviously meant you loved his ability to not die. Then they changed him into something where you actually needed to use your brain in order to play him and that made you sad. Awwww diddums. Git gud, scrub! And for your information, he's still OP even after the nerfs. So stop talking crap!

[@grazzhopper6799]

i need more inaros rework talk

[@AnymMusic]

I wish we'd get a shift away from dmg meta. Unless you're the frame yourself, frames like Saryn, Equinox, hell even Volt are so boring to play with. You might as well stand still and make lunch cause you'll get nothing done. Especially not as a new player. Honestly I would love to see frames like Trinity somehow get more fame again. Or maybe more CC again like a Vauban

[@AlvinEarthworm]

CC is never going to be popular again as long as Eximus units exist. This is why everything is switching to a damage focused meta.

[@dreameater2661]

Yeah bungie.....kinda on fire right now to work on the LFG system. Feel bad for the dev I really do. But Bungie got what they deserved.

[@NovaUmbral]

I wrote that section a few days before the news came to light, very unfortunate situation right now

[@dev4159]

still waiting for a proper Chroma rework

[@charles5212]

Whats the frame concept shown at 15:02 ?

[@HaitianAniki]

I don't like that they removed undertow so i got rid of my hydroid