The Grineer VS The Corpus - Warframe

[@darkwolf9637]

A main part of the corpus is just HOW BAD their leadership is. If the queens give an order every grineer is immediately 100% behind and already acting on that order. If a board member gives an order it has to go through every other board member (who all hate each other) and will likely take months if not years to actually be put into action

[@kookthekid8338]

It's honestly their biggest weakness, if there was an all out war, I wouldn't be surprised if certain corpus leaders tried to cut deals with the grineer to kill other corpus, without realizing they'd be betrayed later

[@darkwolf9637]

@kookthekid8338 we sorta saw that already with alad v almost immediately try to make a deal with the sentients

[@kookthekid8338]

true

[@ovencake523]

If parvos really did come forward, couldnt he take control of most corpus things? The Corpus would have to follow their founder right? if it lead to profit that reminds me. where df was parvos during the new war?

[@darkwolf9637]

@ovencake523 probably just chilling hidden in his little pocket dimension, its not like the sentients are going to invade a pocket of the void

[@Luziehl]

something interesting about the concept: the corpus combat forces are composed mostly of proxies (MOAs, Hyenas, Ospreys, etc), and those proxies are actually very limited since many of the corpus factories still follow tech development "rulings" from the orokin (artificial inteligence is to be kept at a minimum, and in any use cases they must be heavily monitored if not destroyed immediately). During the Proxy Rebellion tactical alert event the proxies AI limiter got removed for a hot-second and all the robots began shooting people on sight (even corpus troopers had a hard time dealing with it) and the tenno got called to clean the mess, Alad V and Nef Anyo are probably only corpus leaders insane enough to ever attempt new breakthroughs in proxy fabrication (Amalgams and Exploiter/Profit-Taker incorporate Sentient tech), which means any kind of EMP technology is quite effective against more than half of corpus forces.

[@kookthekid8338]

That's actually something super interesting to bring up! This could result in an ever more lopsided war, however, I wonder why the grineer never really try this approach. I understand their best scientist are more biology majors, but you'd think one of them could come up with an EMP.

[@steveverera9999]

@@kookthekid8338 Technically the grineer goes have EMP. But im guessing they are hard to come by since if i remember right. Only the fomorian has that sort of tech. And the fact that the Tenno are constantly keeping each faction in check. Stealing info, stealing technology, and doing spring cleaning on major facilities. The corpus are more technologically gifted so ide assume they would also never let the grineer get a hold of a form of EMP. And also the fomorian is only built if the grineer faction gets help from invading corpus facilities.

[@andrewshaddix7512]

On some grieneer missions some the doors have a energy field that saps your energy and messes with your screen, wouldn't that be a EMP type of device.

[@jerryone013]

This kind of alert really should be bring back and streamline for new player. I played at 2022 and i have no idea who dafaq is this Nef Anyo yapping about tenno and his backstory all of the sudden. Atleast Alad V can be seen gradually approach new player on each planet.

[@dungeaterfancam]

Frohd Bek did it with Ambulas, unnamed elites did it with Raptor and Hyena pack and Granum did it with specter technology. Basically every Corpus bigwig and their mother has dabbled in AI already, what’s stopping them is us swooping in to nuke everything, not Orokin tenets. Corpus fight with proxies because Tenno allow only that, try any funny business and it’s a new assassination node on the star chart

[@michaelwilliams8359]

Another great and informative video! I really hope that DE eventually starts doing more animated shorts and comics that give more lore information or even expand on some of the loose ends and world building stuff, like The Sargeant, for example

[@kookthekid8338]

For real! I kind of mentioned the sergeant here as a joke on how lacking corpus leaders are, but I'd love to legit learn more about him! And thank you for the compliments man, it means a lot!

[@diamond5914]

When going over the Thumpers, I thought I’d help with the pneumatic (new-matic) part We all struggle with pronunciation so no worries! Pneumatics is just use of pressurized air or gas (usually inert/noble gases) to make machines operate. They’re preferred over hydraulics as they’re simple and easier to mass produce in many cases

[@Zael_Moonblade]

Don't forget they are also easier to repair.

[@kookthekid8338]

I've actually never seen the word pneumatic before, so thank you for this pronunciation and definition here! Who said Warframe doesn't make you smarter

[@darthplagueis13]

Strictly speaking, saying that the Queens are not Grineer themselves is only semi-correct as physically, they do actually occupy Grineer clone bodies and suffer from the same syptoms of Clonerot as the regular soldiers, which is why the Worm Queens body is more cybernetical than biological at this point. They were born as Orokin twins, but their original bodies are long gone, and with every continuity, their next set of bodies is more decrepit and degenerate, increasingly reliant on artificial limbs and organs to stay alive. Which is why the Elder Queen was so keen on getting a Tenno Yuvan, so that she could have a young, healthy and powerful body again.

[@kookthekid8338]

This is true, but I'd still lean towards calling them Orokin and not grineer, because the Orokin wasn't as much as a race as it was a social class, same as the grineer originally were almost a social class. I mean, when captain ginyu took gokus body in dragonball, did he himself become saiyan?

[@Darthmufin]

Well considering that impact and puncture got swapped meaning grineer and corpus are resistant to each others weaponry instead of being built to primarily effects the weaknesses of the other, its less clear. I'm talking in game, not lore though. Corpus would likely win in the end gameplay wise since they have guardian eximus and shield drones, so they have 90% damage reduction while the grineer does not.

[@ovencake523]

what about kuva grineer and the amalgam sentients? the kuva guardians (i think thats what they're called? those fat spear dudes that guard kuva siphons and the queens) can only be killed after being disarmed, and our operator is the only way we know of how to disarm them. maybe the corpus have another way but who knows do the corpus get things like the jackel tho? I think the Corpus ace tho is Parvos. I think he'd be a far better tactician than the queens, and probably would have leadership of the corpus board

[@kookthekid8338]

For Kuva Grineer, I didn't bring them up because I'm not dealing with all that Kuva Lich, Sisters stuff. Lore wise, I have no clue how someone non tenno kills these people. I mean when it comes to the guardians I'm sure anyone can disarm them, but with the sisters and lichs I don't know. Amalgams are sentient hybrids, and are loyal to sentients and Alad V only. If we included them in this, we'd also have to include the fact Alad V betrayed the Corpus, which would really hurt the Corpus overall, so I think it's better to choose a time period before the amalgams and before Parvos because of this. The Corpus would have access to all of the machinery they've created. The reason I didn't incorporate Parvos is because he hasn't united the Corpus yet. Nef Anyo still runs a sector, and is actively trying to kill him, and it's completely unclear who Alad V answers too, however, we do know he also runs an entire sector and likely wouldn't bow to Parvos. Until Parvos completes his campaign of united the Corpus through force, they're going to be trapped in a civil war with him coming back, and ultimately much weaker.

[@kookthekid8338]

Can't you pit enemies against each other in like that training room thing, or do you gotta do something else for that?

[@Gat720Dua]

Basically nerds vs jocks.

[@kookthekid8338]

There should be a dodgeball tourney

[@emberhydra]

Corpus might be strong but Grineer have their iconic leaders and Kahl + Clem. You can't beat that

[@kookthekid8338]

I agree, the leaders of the Grineer are just so much more effective than the Corpus. In this scenario however, Clem and Kahl would probably both end up siding with the Corpus, well at least Clem would.

[@ciceroblackthorne3607]

Lmfaoo this man was struggling with pneumatic

[@kookthekid8338]

Hey I've never seen the word before lmao

[@NinjaMaster23145]

A couple things about this video 1. No where in Lore is it stated that Corpus Energy Shield are better than ferrite armor. In contrast its confirmed that Grineer have fine-tuned their main weapons to deal high impact damage to bash apart corpus shields. Similarly the Corpus have fine-tuned their energy weapons to do puncture damage as to pierce the weakpoints in Grineer armor. 2. The Profit-Takers entire superiority is based around its overcharger shield. The armor underneath can pierced by Grattlers which can be wielded by single soldier. A Thumper's cannon would tear apart the profit-taker without the Overcharger Active, which basically means its a battle in space-superiority. 3. Its cannon that the grattler can pierce a Corpus Capital Ship's armor. Galleons have 20 missile tubes that are 500 meters long with bore widths of 50 meters. Forget the explosion, the shear force of impact should tear through a Capital Ship. 3. You forgot to mention artillery at all. The Grineer have Ground cannons that are 100 meters long and the Corpus have energy sentries. The Grineer also have the Navar Cannon. A massive cannon on the Kuva Fortress that can fire tectonic round capable of destroying entire continents from several sectors away

[@kookthekid8338]

1. Corpus Energy Shields are stated to deflect bullets in lore, since the Grineer largely use bullet based weapons that would make their weapons much less effective. While the grineer try to work around this obviously, the fact of the matter is that their bullets aren't penetrating like grineer energy weapons are. Just because it works, doesn't mean it's effective. 2. You could make this same exact argument about a thumper, except they wouldn't have protection anywhere. Fact of the matter is, the profit taker orb probably isn't letting anything get under it, and would absolutely decimate grineer forces. In this insane scenario, where a profit taker is surrounded by hundreds of grineer grattler carriers by itself, it would be possible, but in an actual war scenario with tons of other corpus present, this is not happening. And yes, without shields the profit taker could be taken by a hoard of thumpers, but that's only if they can avoid the more mobile and quicker firing profit taker, that would shred them with ease, and would still take considerable shots to destroy. Without a shield its not close, with its shield, nothing on the battlefield is touching the profit taker. 3.Yes, if the Corpus ship got within range of the missiles it wouldn't be great, but to actually destroy a capital ship, nearly every single missile would have to hit do to its size. The Corpus energy weapon has greater range, and would instantly destroy it's opponent. You're putting a ton of stock into these missiles, when it honestly doesn't make sense. Less range, less damage, and majority of them would have to hit to take down an entire ship. 4. I didn't mention everything, because that would literally take a 2 hour video, and when it comes to artillery, they both have weapons that are both extremely effective. There isn't a huge advantage there, except for the Kuva Fortress, which I do actually bring up. I appreciate your argument and detailed view of the video, but I just have to disagree with pretty much all of your points. When looking into the lore of Warframe, the Corpus are meant to be much much more advanced than the Grineer, and that's going to show up in their weapons, armor, and machinery. That's why shields are better than armor, because shields deflect bullets, while in truth armor is victim to both piercing and impact when it comes to reality. Corpus ships have more powerful weaponry, and corpus machines, like the profit taker, are considerably more powerful than anything the grineer have to combat it on land. I understand you believe the grineer would win, and in this video I also say that, but the fact is, the grineer are pretty outclassed when it comes to weapons, armor and tech, and that's literally how it's described and meant to be.

[@ghosthippie8465]

​@@kookthekid8338 I'm hearing a pretty big bias towards the corpus here and a constant disregard to the grineer forces, the corpus have really good technology and specialization, but grineer are insanely strong and durable, not to mention the arsenal of the grineer also cover powerful energy weapons and have an emphasis of either being high capacity high fire rate, or big = hurt hard. Now the corpus arsenal is pretty crazy as well, but arguably speaking grineer weapons are consistently shown to be powerful, even in lore something like the buzlok is capable of acting like a straight up bolt gun from W40k. Also the other guy was talking about how long the cannons were, if you understand ballistics, especially when it comes to really big weapons, knowing understanding the length of the weapon can help visualize just how damaging said weapon can be, simply adding a few extra inches to a rifle with its bullet type can easily increase the effective range by a hundred feet of the rifle, now apply that to a cannon, or better yet apply that to those grineer missile tubes. 500 meters is a lot, and a 50 meter width is a big fucking bullet, which means a bigger fucking charge to launch that thing.

[@Signupking]

I think the Arbiters would side with whoever the Tenno side with.

[@kookthekid8338]

I agree, the Arbiters would probably side with who they thought the Tenno would side with, and in this situation I'd imagine it'd be the Corpus. Not because the Tenno favor the Corpus more(even though they probably do), but because the Corpus would likely need their help to fight back against the grineer and keep the system balanced

[@Omegadarkride]

Video summoned a Fomorian to show up, I think the game is trying to prove your point now, awesome vid though!

[@kookthekid8338]

Lmao I guess DE was watching, hopefully next they'll give me access to Soulframe early! But thank you so much, I really appreciate the compliment!

[@rexazul4633]

I could be wrong but im pretty sure i heard "leaving from earth" from mass effect 3 if so props to you fellow commander

[@apathy_syndrome]

I'm inclined to agree with the final conclusion here but I think this might be closer than you think, specially since you forgot to consider Parvos Granum.

[@JustYourFriendlyLuluCultist]

He required Tenno intervention to take action. He would not be in this war

[@ufuk5872]

Because of the dmg change their own weapons are more effective agains themselves.

[@kookthekid8338]

Next video is corpus vs corpus and grineer vs grineer

[@sleepyherbs6303]

Kook I love u homie I’d give u all the grakatas in the world for more of these juicy lore drops your divinity outshines those yee yee bitch ass orikin, those goddamn pseudo/false chads I was glad when the Tenno first spun the block All thanks to u 🤘🏽

[@kookthekid8338]

W infinite Grakatas moment! I can't wait to supply a proxy group of kangaroos with them, so thank you! And yeah sliding the block on the Orokin was a pretty peak moment ngl, couldn't of done it without your support!

[@LethalLettuce]

oh hell yeah a 25 minute video

[@kookthekid8338]

W Lethal Lettuce comment

[@dungeaterfancam]

Profit-Taker Orb isn’t actually as good as you describe it. It’s not actually a real “ground troop”, it’s powered and protected by the sky-eye shift, a satellite *in the orbit*. What makes PT seem so strong is the fact it strikes suddenly in the game and Solaris and Tenno must scramble to quickly disrupt the connection to the satellite to destroy it, but every time the connection is cut, it’s basically just a large hunk of sturdy metal without the constantly recharging shields. If it came to an all-out space war, PT wouldn’t even participate, because the first target would be the satellite that powers it. Besides that, the Orbs are bound to Orb Vallis, trapped as much as the indentured Corpus working in Fortuna. They exist to protect Nef Anyo’s assets, perform mining operations and ensure obedience from the Solaris United workers. They can’t actually be brought outside of the cooled region and they can’t be taken to other planets. They’re also not entirely Corpus, as they’re a combination of robotics and Sentient AI, and in times of crisis they don’t follow orders and act in their own interests, like both Orbs destroying Nef’s assets as collateral or intentionally in acts of self-preservation and vengeance. Saying PT or Exploiter Orbs are the strongest land-bound tech is too generous, yes they’d overpower anything were it come and invade Orb Vallis directly, but that would never actually come to pass. The only reason Tenno fought the Orbs on the ground is the fact they had Fortuna residents as hostages, nobody except Tenno actually cares about them so Grineer or any other self-interested faction would just let them die while destroying the satellite, if the Orbs would even use hostages as a bargaining chip against someone who won’t care, if anything Grineer would get down there and kill the Solaris themselves after dealing with the Corpus fleet in the orbit of Venus.

[@Expeor7970]

I don't think he's underselling the Profit-taker at all, even without it's satellite it's still got sentient-based shields, armour that requires specialized weaponry to damage and more firepower than anything the Grineer can bring to the table. While I think the Grineer ultimately win the war the only ways I can see them dealing with the orbs are either destroying the entire orb vallis with the kuva fortress' Navar Cannon or sending army after army to slowly grind them down once most of the system has been conquered.

[@topcat59]

Cool vid bro.😺

[@kookthekid8338]

Thank you so much!

[@7upinthenite]

i cant see the Grineers taking down the orbs nor the upcoming Amalgam project aberrations

[@LethalLettuce]

13:22 classic

[@kookthekid8338]

I don't know how astronomers take their job seriously

[@СМДДимитров]

Warframe the grineer vs stormtroopers from star wars clone vs clone

[@RavingRoman]

Clone Army vs Clone Army... I like it. Though I may give it to the Grineer. Star Wars clones may not have the variety to deal blow for blow with the following. - Eximus Units - Nightwatch Deathsquads - Manics - Fomorians. Sure the empire has 2 death stars... But a fleet of Fomorians I imagine would make pretty short work of them.

[@draconisthewyvern3664]

utterly disagree and i like the grineer. for starters on tactics, the grineer using more or less the same tactics (an not just a human wave/mosh pit) regardless of who they’re fighting hints towards their inflexibility tactically. the corpus maybe nothing more than a loose alliance but they have a diversity of thought the grineer don’t have. an the profit taker/orb is not a military asset per say. it’s more of a heavily armed and armored mobile refinery (well the exploiter is, the taker is used to guard high value targets). it’s a strategic asset. sure they could just create a pure military/mass produced variant of it but corpus are more likely to go the cheaper route. for example say the giant jackel bots tenno are regularly deployed to destroy. or their smaller hyena cousins. corpus still takes the land battle. as for formian battleships, alad V has in essence created a corpus warframe with his mad experimentation. without tenno interference? Alad V could easily make more such mad experiments to sabotage the formian ships. an that’s before we discuss how the formian ship is the only grineer ship observed to have shields (granted mostly centered on the ‘exposed’ reactor) every space asset even the corpus ram sleds have shields. other methods of corpus disposing of the formians could include simply mass boarding it and taking it over (or out) from the inside. an that’s assuming mass bombardment from the Stanchion (or was that the frigate’s names?) railguns would not work. the space battle could easily go in favor of the corpus even with the formian ships.

[@kookthekid8338]

I said as much in my own video that the Corpus take the land battle, more advanced weapons, armor, and machinery, and while you're right they probably wouldn't mass produce profit orbs, it was a point to the fact they could make such an unstable machine, something the grineer aren't capable of. When it comes to diversity of thought, that isn't really a great point. The grineer have diversity of thought, and each of their leaders accomplish the tasks given to them their own way. Same with their soldiers. The grineer are more united, while also understanding of how to better counter scenarios when it comes to military engagements. They will absolutely switch up tactics on the fly, and so on. The Grineer don't have diversity of thought when it comes to what goal they want to ultimately accomplish, but that's a good thing. There will be no betrayal, there will be no lack of reinforcements, and there's no risk of someone looking out for themselves, which is extremely possible with the Corpus. Your space battle point also doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. First off, we have to work with what we know these factions have, and we know that the Grineer have fomorians, and we know the Corpus never developed a way to fight against them, seeing as though the Tenno literally had to save the Corpus once the fleet was constructed. There is no ship as powerful as the fomorian in the origin system, and I'm sure there would be methods to destroy them, but they would still grant the grineer space supremacy. Don't forget, there wasn't just one or two fomorians, these ships were mass produced. Also remember, Alad V specialized in Warframe tech, without Warframes to experiment on, he's a lot less effective. I have extreme trouble believing that he'd be the one to develop an answer to the fomorians, when he's never even been seen working on creating a ship before. He's a genius, but he also specilizes in a certain field. And if we're giving Alad V ultimate research powers since the Tenno aren't hunting him, we also have to give that same privilege to Tyl Regor, who based on feats, is much smarter than even Alad V. We would have to cure the grineer of their cloning issue, and buff every grineer to having superhuman strength, giving them a huge advantage on land battles. I appreciate your thoughts, and I like that you mentioned jackals, but in the scenarios you presented, you assumed the Grineer would be as dumb as possible, while also giving every perk possible to the Corpus, so I just have to disagree.

[@draconisthewyvern3664]

@ Without tenno interference the sleeping tenno from Sedna wouldn’t have been saved in the mars conflict. an even than Alad V still got his hands on sleeping tenno for his Zanuka project. not only would his Zanuka project likely succeed but he could create even more corpus made warframes and zanuka hunters. Alad V didn’t just specialize in warframes (and by extension infestation), he also specialized in experimenting and recreating sentient technology for example the Amalgam project. though the Amalgam project was carried out with the help of Sentients in preparation for their return. (an it’s unlikely they will sit back and let the grineer destroy their investment and could potentially intervene through spec ops) Alad V could indeed provide the answer to both Regor’s super tubemen and the formian ships. the corpus were well aware of the formian threat, they just simply didn’t think it was real and was just internal propaganda. we intercept corpus transmissions showing this. the inital shock of the formians would be devastating if not catastrophic. but if the corpus aren’t completely wiped out i could see them rallying behind Alad V because his mutalyst strain, the zanuka, zanuka hunters, and amalgam may just provide the answers for striking back.

[@erick5577]

I only gonna say that I hate fighting corpus, they are annoying

[@kookthekid8338]

I agree, based grineer enjoyer

[@DJFlare84]

Couple of things to note. 1. While Grineer do have a HUGE numbers advantage, I think you underplayed the clone decay a bit too much. It's kind of a HUGE issue for the Grineer. So huge that they have Tyl Regor slaving away on Uranus trying to figure out how to solve it. His tubemen project seems promising but other than that, lore-wise, I would say this implies that the average Grineer soldier folds like tissue paper under enemy gunfire, which emphasizes the NEED for those huge numbers. 2. I also think you over-exaggerated the "fractured" nature of Corpus Leadership a bit too much. While, yes, they are all trying to backstab each other at any given time, they are doing it because they are in a comfortable position to do so. They are not idiots who are going to compromise their strength against their MAIN RIVAL FACTION just to spite each other. When push comes to shove, I think they hate the thought of letting Grineer gain more dominance MORE than they like bettering their own position at the expense of other Corpus. Remember that Alad V used to be THE guy in charge of "Grineer Relations", and that guy would still not shut up about how low an opinion he had about them. And if he's the NICEST guy they have to make deals with the Grineer just imagine how much the REST of the Corpus must hate them. Yeah I don't think AT ALL that they would let each other get eaten alive by Grineer assaults. They would help each other to spite the Grineer, absolutely. 3. I agree that, generally, the Grineer have more effective leadership since nobody questions the Queens so you get a point there. That's just a wash. However, you DIDN'T mention Parvos Granum (likely because he's still very new, which is fair), who seems to be an absolute BEAST in terms of influence. Remember that the Corpus were fragmented SPECIFICALLY because of the presumed DEATH of Parvos Granum, and everyone trying to vie for his position. The Board of Directors is like, a compromise they came up with to stop the squabbling. Now that he's back, what do you think are the odds that the Corpus are at least going to be FORCED to join a united front under him? And how effective of a leader do you think he could be in this war if the other Corpus cooperate? 4. I'm glad you brought up how unstable the Grineer grasp on Earth is I thought you were going to pass over that. Not only do they have to battle Steel Meridian there, they also have to battle New Loka. Remember New Loka's whole THING is about the purity of humanity and the sanctity of Earth. I'd say that's more THEIR battleground than Steel Meridian, even though Steel Meridian has a base there. I would say, though, that the Ostrons don't really seem to pose a threat to the Grineer. The Ostrons seem to rely entirely on us for their protection, I'd say. 5. Even though I'm Corpus 'til I die, I have to agree on the Fomorians. They are, BY LORE, the ABSOLUTE STRONGEST SHIPS in the Origin System. NOTHING compares. They were so terrifying that literally only the intervention of the Tenno was able to stop them. So with the Tenno out of the equation, the Grineer are just free to steamroll everything. I suppose now the only question is, without Tenno intervention, might the Corpus have been able to see the Fomorians coming? If their spies were able to be more dedicated to anti-Grineer efforts instead of being distracted by Tenno incursions all the time, is it possible the Corpus may have developed some kind of Fomorian countermeasure? I'm almost tempted to say try re-doing this thought experiment WITHOUT the Fomorians, or assuming the Corpus came up with some kind of 50/50 countermeasure that has an equal chance of succeeding or failing to turn the tide... 6. Actually, one more thing: The infested. The infested ARE part of this war, too, and I think "which faction is most effective at dealing with them" might have a big influence on who might win. After all, what good is a Fomorian if one little spore makes it's way onto it and completely shuts it down with an infestation?

[@kookthekid8338]

1. I believe I underplayed both their numbers advantage and their genetic issues, kind of evening it out. While their genetic issues is a huge problem, whether they're healthy or not they're getting folded by Corpus gunfire. Now if Tyl Regor somehow cured them, making them more powerful and more intelligent, that'd be huge, but obviously we aren't considering that what if here. 2. I completely disagree with this take, the Corpus are in complete shambles the entire time the Tenno have returned to the Galaxy, and have constantly back stabbed each other while in the process of losing ground to the grineer. Don't forget, the Corpus lost Mars to the Grineer, and instead of mounting an offensive against the grineer united, they backstabbed Alad V and let him falter and fail, losing an entire planet. The Corpus hate the Grineer, but they hate each other too. I don't see how the Corpus would magically unite against the Grineer, when even when they were losing territory and being backed into the corner by the grineer in the timeline of the game, they continued to back stab each other. I mean we had Alad V literally back stab the Corpus and side with the Sentients because he thought it'd save him, so this idea they'd unite when backed up into a corner, or to spite the grineer makes no sense, when they've shown time and time again they'd prefer to eat each other alive. 3. I didn't mention Parvos, because I truly believe the Corpus are currently in a weaker state with his return. Eventually, under Parvos, the Corpus will become much more powerful, however, his return was fueled by spite and rage, and he is literally killing Corpus leaders and sacking cities in an aggressive take over. Currently his return has weakened the Corpus, because while the Corpus did worship him to an extent, profit comes before all, and he's hurting a lot of their profits, causing even more infighting. Do you think Alad V is going to bow to Parvos? He runs an entire sector that's going to listen to him and fight back. What about Venus? Nef Anyo tried to kill Parvos, he's certainly not going down without a fight. That's another sector down, and I find it hard to imagine that Frohd Bek is willingly going to hand over power. There's going to be a long and brutal fight while Parvos takes power, ultimately making the Corpus weaker than ever during that civil war. 4. Don't even know if the Ostrons have a military, so yeah, they aren't important in this in all honesty. 5. I seriously doubt the Corpus would ever have an answer for the Fomorians, and I doubt even more so they would find it. I mean, the Tenno barely found it, and lost relays to it, the Corpus are much less effective a subterfuge than the Tenno. I don't see the point of removing them from the equation, because we know they were created, we know the Tenno couldn't even stop their creation, and we know the Corpus had no answer for it. It seems insane to me, that the corpus would find it when the Tenno couldn't even find them in time, and then to assume the Corpus could come up with an answer for them incredibly soon after discovering them just doesn't make sense to me. 6. While the infested are a part of this, it's pretty impossible to really say what difference they would make besides just shitting on both sides. If I were to heavily include the infested in this, I'd have to change the video title too, Corpus VS Grineer VS Infested, and then go on to describe how no matter what, even if it takes a millions years, the infested would eventually win. It would almost be like bringing the sentients into this, which isn't really what I was trying to focus on. While I do like some of the points you brought up, and I agree I should of probably talked more about certain things for sure(the video was just already getting to long), I ultimately respectfully disagree with a decent number of your takes here. Thank you for leaving such a long and detailed comment! It's always awesome to read something with a lot of thought put into it under one of my videos!

[@DJFlare84]

@@kookthekid8338 No problem! You made a REALLY interesting video! I still disagree that the Corpus fracturing is as bad as you think it is, but you've made solid arguments for why you think it is. I just don't think the Corpus board of directors is dumb, personally, which you kind of make it SOUND like. I think they allow things like the takeover of mars because they simply judge it in the end to be not as important to keep (and if they judged mars being taken over by the Grineer as an acceptable loss, then how strong a position do they judge themselves to have without it?), although it was absolutely partially to spite Alad-V since while he is a member of the board, he is also a competitor. I think, to them, they only funded the war effort initially to spite the Grineer, but you might have a point that they prioritize their own Corpus rivals over their rivalry with the Grineer... ... speaking of Alad V, what do you think are the chances he survived the New War? We haven't heard from him since...

[@kookthekid8338]

@@DJFlare84 I don’t necessarily think the board is dumb, like I believe Frohd Bek is one of the smartest characters in the game with how he interacts with those around him, but I just think Alad V and Nef Anyo are insane wildcards, and almost do border on a little bit dumb. Of course they’re both super intelligent in some aspects, but I’d say they also make some of the dumbest decisions possible, and both are characters where I find myself saying “ I can’t believe you’d do that”, more so than any other character in the game. Obviously there’s 12 other members of the board, but of the three we know, two really haven’t shown their ability to make logical decisions, and unfortunately they are two of the most powerful as well. Personally, I think that Alad is still alive, because he has proven literally unkillable. I could see his entire body explode and get thrown into the Sun, and still just assume he’ll make it back somehow. But thank you for the compliment and this was a great discussion! It would really really help if we could get to know a little bit more about other board members and how they function, but with Parvos coming back I’m just going to assume they’re all about to be very not alive soon.

[@That1OneKobold2]

In my opinion, one of the most terrifying things about the Tenno, is not the just the fact they can wipe out of a planet single handedly, it's that they on multiple occasions have taken sides on the Corpus/Grineer Semi-War (Maybe you can call it a Cold War). And what's more horrifying than a Death Machine with the power to shoot "THE FULL CONCENTRATED POWER, OF THE SUN!"? One that is fighting against you.