WARFRAME | The New War Examined Part 1 - Ballas' Greatest Deception

[@NeedsContent]

Ballas' deception is so well written that in trying to drive a wedge between the Lotus and the Tenno, a lot of players were genuinely convinced that they needed to kill the Lotus.

[@TheDsIEGE]

He’s just so dangerous because of his mind…. He seems to be able to always counter whatever is thrown at him, typically while the adversary believes themselves to be in control. Truthfully…. I don’t think we’ve seen the last of him.

[@NeedsContent]

@@TheDsIEGE Thematically, I thought his death was definitive, such that there's no need to use him further as a character. But the WF universe being what it is, I could see him continuing to exist in some fashion.

[@Beefercow]

Theres a version of him already still alive as the warden for kullervo, but that's obviously a creation of Dominus.

[@balbalofficial8212]

​@@Beefercowthat's not Ballas. He literally says in one of his lines "I am your guilt." it's Kullervo's grief and shame personified as what he believed Ballas was like.

[@tekkadawn6685]

Yeah cause the quest was 8 hours long

[@sternritternovad]

Credit where its due he was a great actor, and his "You can't kill the Devil" line was delivered with perfection.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Oh he's a fantastic villain. Someone you love to hate, the mark of a good bad guy.

[@daydreamdirty]

Agreed

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGEin my opinion he’s on the same level- more or less- as Handsome Jack. He’s not crazy BUT he was blinded by the woman he loved and then by the look alike…. The Lotus. That is very much like when Handsome Jack had the map imprinted onto his face having him go blind in one eye.

[@Beefercow]

On par with hunhows line about cleaving at the beginning of the second dream.

[@masaki9788]

"The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world that he did not exist" a famous quote In this case the greatest trick ballas pulled was to make listen to him despite the odds against him

[@TheDsIEGE]

He’s the best villain warframe has, and that quote fits him perfectly

[@MuchVery]

I never considered that it was actually Ballas guiding us in the Chimera Prologue quest. It makes sense considering he wanted the Tenno to take the Paracesis as part of his grand plan. Yet again, it's very fitting of Wally's character that he could have potentially allowed Ballas to get as far as he did, knowing that the Drifter / Eternalism would be what stopped Ballas. Great video as usual!

[@TheDsIEGE]

Can you imagine if we find out that the two of them are working together? The tenno and lotus would have their “hands” cut out for them...

[@MuchVery]

@@TheDsIEGE It seems likely (and ironic) that Wally didn't care for Ballas' agenda, and that Wally was just using him as part of his OWN plan. Whatever that plan is.

[@daydreamdirty]

@@MuchVeryif Wally is the equivalent of God in this universe this definitely is interesting to me then.

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGE Btw if you’re ever up for a recorded discussion on this please let me know. I love the lore of Warframe as well despite having only ever made one video talking about it.

[@green_creeper288]

My favorite summary of the New War will always be "helping your step-mom dump her toxic boyfriend".

[@RaptorsTroll2]

wouldn't your step mom's toxic boyfriend be your father?

[@green_creeper288]

@@RaptorsTroll2 not in this case

[@mariedillingham199]

Foster mom might be the better analogy

[@gionharis13]

I don't know whose idea of putting GO in this quest... But my god it's so fitting... The way the wall bleeds... The shawzin... The tea set... The board it self... The head piece... Wait... That's one hell of a coincidence... Anyway... Amazing work as always... Swazdo-lah Surah Stay safe

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you and now you've got me looking up Joseki and fuseki!!!!

[@Kamkean]

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[@GhostCorvid20]

Man I used to think I understood Warframe's lore pretty well, but after watching all your videos, especially post New War, I'm more confused than ever lmao. They leave so much up for speculation and in the hands of unreliable narrators. Great work trying to unravel it all for us!

[@TheDsIEGE]

Well, it is I think purposely vague so I'm just trying to "read the tea leaves" if you will based on the context clues they give in game, and in the end, they can always just retcon whatever they want but... I feel like i provide at least enough evidence to make my theories plausible if nothing else... and if you all enjoy them then... I must as well keep putting them out!

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGEyou’ve done a better job than me for sure! I care a lot but because of work and the fact I’ve been dedicated to taking my channel a specific route, I just don’t have the time or energy to do what you’ve done. However I do want to do a video analyzing “Wally” and how he is- or became the God of that universe. After all Wally isn’t constrained to just one form or body.

[@TheDsIEGE]

@@daydreamdirtyyou need to make it!!! To me, that’s how a good lord community works. One person uncovers one thing, someone expounds upon that…. It’s the way we find truth and we need everyone!!!

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGE This would be a stretch because this would be fiction crossing over into reality- so in all intents and purposes it would be one of those fun videos- delving into “The God” in Warframe. As it is, it may be worthwhile to reach out to some of the developers to ask them for answers, responses or time to verbally question them on “Wally” to see what they say. Religion and beliefs are barely touched upon in this game yet it’s an underlying theme behind Ballas’s words and actions. Remember he’s obsessed with Margulas and with being loved- but the attention and adoration of the people wasn’t enough- because the Tenno weren’t among those of his followers. This is my take on it anyway- I could be off. Wally on the other hand seems content to stay out of the picture largely or is unable to BE IN the picture- which is largely even more horrifying when you stop and ask yourself just how many forms Wally has or what else he can do. Remember the towers floating in the void that “We” the Tenno raid? Yeah- there’s something there that’s bugging me- but due to the lack of information (or I just haven’t found it yet) I can’t do much but speculate on what’s out there and how this is all involved with Wally. Now what if Wally is like an eldritch beast like the Eldrazi? Specifically Emrakul from Magic the gathering is an excellent because “She” literally warped the denizens, the environment and even the celestial beings on the plane of Innistrad (the more recent innistrad trailers depict the transformations occurring if you’re curious at what they looked like)…. However there is no warping or changing of the physical appearance so that means Wally could be more like the Black or Red Markers in Deadspace but obviously “He’d” be more than a signal converting and making others go crazy. Also he seems to have no interest in dominating as the Brethren Moon tried to do as well. Those are fucking horrifying too just because of the end in Deadspace 3 when it’s revealed “What” they are and then again in the DLC when you see 3 pop up into view and everything fades to screams and to red. If anything, fear, horror, domination and control seem to be absent, just there to be pacts and promises of some kind……

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGE However this is important because I believe that while there is a creator of our world, that there are multiple “spiritual” entities living as well. They play a part in this because as we know- this universe and galaxy could potentially go on without ever having an end…. And we’ll keeping it all simple- I suspect that Wally could just be one fun idea 💡 if what “God” could be like. Well maybe “Fun” isn’t the right word but you know what I mean.

[@singletona082]

I love the theory that the lotus helmate is the proto-narmor veil. J Also while yes the red of the second go around is Wally. It's also Kuva. The thing Ballas uses in forging the veils.

[@TheDsIEGE]

I feel like it actually makes the events of the prelude to war make sense, because otherwise, the whole thing is pretty confusing...

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGEWell I didn’t realize that the lotus helmet was a proto-narmor veil of sorts- but I can see Kuva being used to help sway or hold those who wore it under it as a captive of sorts. Kuva has barely been explained but it’s an agent that so far has 2 purposes that I’m aware of. First it allows others access to one’s consciousness- and for most purposes- others… so that one person can hijack the body of another. Second- here with the Kuva being used as I stated above- to hold or bind others.

[@terpy663]

21:38 Im a new player who recently made it to sp. This interaction with Wally wearing the Lotus's helmet does still occur for the Chimera Prologue and can happen more then once. If Prelude to War is set as your active quest, anytime you load back into the orbiter without moving the quest forward it can randomly trigger again.

[@johnpayne7873]

Superb study. I’m reminded of my frustration with the franchise back in 2014 where I saw the potential for Steve’s grand story but it was shrouded by “ninjas in space” shenanigans. Now, a decade in the making there are no truer words than “We end as we began”, both a homage to George Lucas’s Campbell saga and an allusion to a great quote from the Hagakure (Form is emptiness/Emptiness is form). An aside: Ballas has always toyed with his warframe proxies and Margulis’s Tenno. In particular to connive the Operator/Drifter to be an unwitting courier to smuggle out the Paracesis, past the watching eyes of Natah and Eris to have the weapon needed to exact his final revenge against Natah and the Tenno. Final thought: I view the Indifference as the separated inner Shadow of humanities collective unconscious. Entrati was simply the first to give it something to emerge from and to serve as a nucleation center. The Operator, being younger, gave rise to another Void entity, but one that was less polluted by a lifetime of poor choices and regrets. A juvenile trickster rather than an Eldritch horror that Entrati let lose. In the end, the message of Warframe may be that there are no gods or demons, only humans acting - willfully or not - as either and both.

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

Well I think that Ballas fight on board of Praghasa, Ballas had confrol over Natah because of the Kuva mirrors. That's why we had to break them. We were breaking his control over her

[@VagrantSouI]

I watch your lore videos before bed, don’t interpret that wrong, I love them.

[@TheDsIEGE]

No, not at all!!! I've actually been told my voice helps people fall asleep, so if it does that for you, You're welcome!!!

[@HACHmusic]

I feel like we're twins 😂

[@VagrantSouI]

@@TheDsIEGE I appreciate the effort you put into these, I like how concentrated you’ve been on this era of the story as a whole for a bit now

[@hunterofthemist7159]

thank you so much, not just for this but all your warframe lore videos. Im writing a fanfic (i know lol) and its been a while since i actually played through much of the quests and even new war being something i playeed recently i felt i didnt fully understand it. These videos are a god send for me for my story since im trying to be as accurate to the lore as possible, and it gives me so many more ideas for the plot as well! Thank you!!

[@GTurner2K]

I like the nod to Mr glass in there with the solider villain and the mastermind

[@Dafuro]

I've been binging your videos while cooking at work, I love how the lore and your theories are presented, it's very engaging despite me being distracted

[@risel56]

Okay, that Voltron bit got me good. XD

[@TheDsIEGE]

It just felt "right" at that spot, I dunno...

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGEthat’s because it Was. Everything fits- in some way, shape or form- even if the content or story for it isn’t out yet.

[@DuckLord9999]

I just discovered ur channel and im so getting into the lore of warframe its overlooked so much. I just wish yt playlists would order the vids in the order it was released but oh well.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you and me too!!!!

[@sandornagy3484]

It's similar to ark its horribly overlooked due to literally only being notes dude called neddy the noodle did a few maps excellently

[@SoulbreakerNB]

Eye opener content as always. Thanks for making these videos TheDSiege!

[@reganlau8080]

I feel like you can actually teach a course on warframe lore. The amount of research you do is amazing and not only that, you critically analysis different perspectives while coming up with your own conclusion. Keep it up!

[@TheDsIEGE]

Well, keep in mind much of it's still speculation based on context clues... Warframe loves being incredibly vague. That being said, I appreciate you saying that and I plan on in the near future putting together a kind of episodic retelling of the game. Hopefully you'll enjoy that!

[@neromalave4853]

This man always come with the what if lore that has me like wait I can see this happening thank you for the content dude as always amazing vid dude 😎😎

[@TheDsIEGE]

I've got a lot more on the way too! The new war has all kinds of little things going on I can't wait to share!!

[@siamesesnow]

I'm not sure if my eyes are deceiving me but it almost looks like when we shake Wally's hand in the Zariman, it looks very similar to Lotus's hand. It has that little bump around the wrist area. Thoughts?

[@TheDsIEGE]

It's her hand, absolutely.

[@daydreamdirty]

The shimmer isn’t natural and gives it away. I only noticed this after Dsiege pointed it out.

[@srbingham]

Yeah, it's the Lotus hand, Wally is holding it. But it's curious that it's the same hand that replaces the Drifters in Duviri. IE, the Drifter is also someone who looks like the Operator but with their right hand replaced with the Lotus hand.

[@ErrorhIL]

I agree that it was Ballas guiding us during the chimera, but I doubt he was always in control. I think and belive that at some point the sentient mother was trully in control with Erra and the army controlling Ballas but he used us, remember what we used the Paracesis for in hindsight I belive it was to weaken the controll they had on Ballas so that he could take controll. I also was always confused by the Lotus whale scream at the end of the prologue... what if it was a scream of pain of some sort? What if it was then that she lost it and Ballas gained power. But yes he used us all this time.

[@IxodesPersulcatus]

*begins to construct Paracesis* "Fool! This is no gift!" *foreshadowing*

[@thomaspurol9322]

Can’t wait for you to explain how and when we made an aliance with the worm queen off screen or how we supposedly had Parvos “I once outsmarted Ballas” Granum on our side and yet still lost the system in its entirety

[@TheDsIEGE]

That’s easy…. The world is easier to take if the Tenno and lotus are no more. Why make trouble for yourself when someone else is already taking care of things? Ballad at least in the minds of most would be much easier to overcome or…. Ally with, should the return be worth it, something I think parvos in particular would find… agreeable.

[@skaianDestiny]

Because the Sentients once nearly brought the Orokin Empire to their knees, and the modern Grineer and Corpus are but the palest of pale shadows to them. The Tenno were absolutely the linchpin of the entire defense as the Sentients' bane; without them, whatever resistance existed was doomed to fail. It's not inaccurate to say that the Corpus and Grineer were there to throw bodies at the Sentients and Ballas so the Tenno could do the actual work.

[@HACHmusic]

YESSSSSS. About time. I've been waiting for this ❤

[@TheDsIEGE]

I hope you enjoyed it!!!!

[@HACHmusic]

As always. Very much ❤️

[@attackmanatee02]

Bruh ive never noticed before but in the part where you're seeing through Umbra's eyes, WHAT ARE THOSE SHOES, BALLAS?

[@LatteChocolateElCinderace]

So many videos leaving clear the whole story, or most of it, and i just think how much i regret saying the Lotus was Margulis and not Natah :'c

[@TheDsIEGE]

Well... DE plays it fast and loose with some of this stuff so, there's always like a 50 50 chance of getting things wrong or right! I'm actually scared to go back and score all my speculation...

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGEI think we all are. After all NO ONE likes being wrong or off.

[@ThePopeOfAwesomeness]

As someone else said he's got a great voice actor. The MIGHTY SEER has a nice voice too

[@TheDsIEGE]

One of the best, especially for the character.

[@Teixas666]

18:54 "War platform awaiting sync" i suspect this isnt for us. the War Platform might be Natah's Sentient Body and this would be the sequence from which the Lotus can pass thru to it.

[@marenjones6665]

My man got GFuel endorsement! So proud of you!

[@TheDsIEGE]

Hey! Thank you so much! I was surprised myself!!!

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGEwell it’s better than what I’ll ever get. XD

[@TheDsIEGE]

@@daydreamdirtywell… I can tell you I’ve been getting a healthy amount of hate for the sponsorship too so… it’s kind of like a double edged sword in the end…

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGE maybe so- but this could be healthy in the sense that it gets people more active here and your channel to be more recognized. You’re not intentionally provoking others either plus there’s no rules being broken and no one actually being hurt….. so I hear you but I want to still say that while this appears to be negative- it’s still coverage of some kind

[@Kruppuchino]

So... Is Ballas considered the Brutus, Caesar or Cleopatra in the far ass future of Warframe?

[@shauntempley9757]

None of those. He is at most more like Pompey in history. Pompey is the one that tried to betray the Roman Senate during the Republic, by bringing his legions into Italy, against the law. Like how Ballas tried with the Sentients. Ceasar's entrance into Italy with his legions was in response to what Pompey did, and starting the civil war to stop him for good. Remember, Ceasar first met Cleopatra during that campaign against him. The Lotus and the Tenno were Ceasar and his legions. Ceasar would also die at the hands of some of Pompey's soldiers on the orders of his two top generals. Which triggered the next conflict, where Octavian and Antony come in to the history, which ended with the rise of the very first true Roman Emperor, when Octavian changed his name to Augustus. Except, instead of taking 10 years to kill off Pompey, it took 1000 years to kill off Ballas.

[@deletedaccount7]

I haven't finished the video yet so idk if it comes up later, but one of the things I'm EXTREMELY curious about lore wise and never see anyone mention is that ballas is from duviri. Unless I'm remembering wrong you can see ballas as a guard looking over the arena for kulvero (i know i spelt the frames name wrong, can't remember the spelling atm lol). If you talk to the duviri shop keeper person she sometimes has a chance to mention and specifically call him out for pretending he isn't from duviri even though he is. It's just one of those small details that rarely gets talked about yet is one of the most interesting imo because of the huge implications it could have.

[@TheDsIEGE]

well... he's definitely there... I'll be getting into that when we reach the duviri part of this series. I've actually got some scripts already written so these videos will hopefully come a little quicker provided my computer cooperates...

[@daydreamdirty]

I’ve lost alot of interest in Warframe as I’m burned out from it but I’ll keep this nugget in the back of my mind when I go back to checking out Duviri. It was honestly just a weird experience for me but that maybe be because of how it was wrapped and then presented. It felt like I was looking through a kaleidoscope of sorts

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGEwas or is? If he has another on the other side of Duviri then wouldn’t the other die when he died on this side?

[@zangetsu5221]

​@@daydreamdirty I don't think there is a link between people in the origin system and duviri manifestations. I don't think many of the duviri beings, Warden Ballas included, are real. Due to the nature of conceptual embodiment, it would seem that unless ballas was conceptually erased, his duviri self would be unaffected.

[@daydreamdirty]

@@zangetsu5221 that’s a lot to take in there about how both can exist simultaneously AND possibly separately too.

[@progamercorn7359]

Ill be waiting for that part two, you done went and peaked my interest bruh

[@TheDsIEGE]

Working on it as we speak!

[@progamercorn7359]

@@TheDsIEGE W maans lets goooo

[@jacksunts]

Do you think you could make an overall story breakdown from ten zero to pre whispers? My girlfriend is interested in the game now and wants to watch me play the quest but does not fully grasp all she wants, and i certainly do not have the PHD in warframe necessary to break it down for her! I could see it all just being done in a sort of compilation style video!!! Would be really helpful to have it all in chronology since you really are the best out there talking about this stuff to me!! Thanks!!

[@nmghmarquis2583]

hmmm4_4 his slinky arm shoulder cloth really went well with his sandals Goood show kinda nice

[@TheDsIEGE]

Ballas is also the best dressed villain as well, it only makes sense...

[@srbingham]

So here is a question, do you think "Margulis implantation intact," means, as I used to think, "the technique by which the Tenno transference into Warframes, as taught to them by Margulis?" Or does it mean, "implantation of memories of Margulis are intact within the Tenno." Or do you think its part of the helmet "implantation of Margulis' memories within the Lotus." I just wonder at the device origin for the message. The Orbiter, the Warframe, or Lotus/her helm. Is every mission technically the Lotus driving the Tenno driving the Warframes?

[@soupdujour4086]

I think it refers to the lotus's memory. But it could also just be the way we communicate with her. I mean she does talk to us through our transference link. Wish I could turn it off sometimes, like "Change of-" *click* -Runs to extraction.

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

Kinda makes sense that Ballas got mad that we weren't willing to to bow to him in the New War. This whole "but not them!" Scene didn't make sense to me at first. But this video made me think: we were supposed to be the adopted children of him and Margulis. With the Lotus refusing to be the Margulis he loved no matter how hard he tried and instead embracing the Sentient she is after Ballas broke her free during the Apostasy prologue. Ballas might have accepted that he can't control us and can't have Margulis back. So instead he wanted us. He wanted us to kill the Lotus and side with him. But again we refused. After both us and the Lotus not falling for his manipulation, he instead went to Erra, who is much easier to manipulate, and tried to manipulate the Lotus through him. That didn't work out either so he went for a whole new plan, which is killing her and using her to bait us and kill us too. Both of us survived in miraculous ways. And we wanted us both to love him. Everybody gave in to his manipulation through the Narmer Veils and Kuva mirrors. But not us and not the Lotus. And the narcacist he is, he couldn't stand the idea that someone wasn't willing to love him.

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

In short, he didn't really hate us instead he wanted us. But we weren't willing to obey him and that is what he hated

[@zerasparkcrew1044]

From taking further in depths of the lore along with this video analysis, I came up with a new theory. Perhaps the higher powers of the Orokin race were actually a cult to the Man in the Wall. Being that there would've been a coincidence of that entity appearing from the hole Ballas temporarily created at the end of The New War. His destined plan may be to free this entity as if they are a god figure to him by pulling strings on the Tenno and other factions alike to get the pieces he would've need.

[@HiberNater504]

She's "not connected to the room" (cables still in her helmet)

[@daydreamdirty]

I initially thought she was- but Siege here makes a good point that she’s not- that I missed

[@z-file9321]

pls never stop doing what u do. god bless ❤

[@TheDsIEGE]

I'll do my best!!! Thank you!!

[@azalrou1305]

Im not surprised if Ballas is still "alive" in some way and makes a return in some way in the future.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Oh, I'm almost certain of it.

[@Unless-feature]

He got his soul sucked out of him at the end of The New War

[@azalrou1305]

@@Unless-feature his mind may exist still in the sentient network, simulator to margules in a way.

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGE Maybe for the game yes but lorewise? They’d need a lot to bring him back as who he was- especially since he lost his soul

[@joshuathomasverghese1341]

Ahh yes Ballas thinking he was bamboozling us while being played by the string of string...

[@GhostlyPancakeTheOddMancake]

I wonder if Rell wasn't cared for by Lotus because he was the only one who could tell something was off about her. His condition might've made him more susceptible to the man in the wall, and old Wally might've told him something the other Tenno never knew. Could be why he was so irritable. That, or listening to wall people play paddycakes in your insulation while you're stuck in the basement for years might've done that.

[@stanleystaklight7555]

OG Voltron 😂got me, we are old my dude😅

[@TheDsIEGE]

You ain't kidding, lololol

[@fitzviandraduivenab2790]

How do you get Ballas' boss music to play in your orbiter?

[@matthewmartinez3550]

I believe it is the Kahl missions. You can find somachord pickups in the missions. I forget which mission, but the one you are looking for is "Sunkiller."

[@randomaccountwithmusic4206]

The paracesis model that is on his person is much prettier than the one we get

[@TheDsIEGE]

Actually, they had become feral, so they were more like zombies... the children on the other hand...

[@Outer0Heaven]

As much as I love the whole story of Warframe, I do fear that the WF team forgets certain parts of the story that links togheter the bigger story. While I do like parts you need to think for yourself and piece togheter events. I can't help to think it's some asspulls here and there

[@105thBattalion]

basically the Old and New War: dude loses his girlfriend/wife, grows a hatred for the state, ‘befriends’ the states enemy secretly, falls for a copy of his old fling, takes a break from her while the state collapses, finds her again and untold time later, begins to plan the downfall of her family and the survivors of the last state

[@cybernomad5971]

I think for a story style like this can only really be told like this (meaning games). That being a story of perspectives. The eternal soldier, vengeful murder machine, betrayer, betrayed. And thats just the tenno. There's also the Grineer, the Corpus, the Sentients, the Orokin and particular individuals within the groups. With Wally doing his thing. Depending on how deep you delve into their stories the more you can fill in the blanks from you the players perspective.

[@EmceeJoseph]

Some of the use of evidence like the loading screen Transference system console logs as evidence was looser than I'd like but overall good video.

[@bremol4085]

I always wondered, why Erra has these orbs in his eyes and torsoxduring the New War

[@TheDsIEGE]

I'm going to be getting into the "eyes of warframe" at some point, because there's a TON of significance there...

[@liammintz]

⁠@@TheDsIEGEMost Warframes don’t have real eyes. Maybe that has some symbolism. Either them being blinded by infested rage and madness or being unable to act for themselves, except umbra who also happens to have a helmet with a visible eye.

[@thomaspurol9322]

Now if we actually got to fight in the New War. Would have made all those years of prep work worth the effort

[@TheDsIEGE]

Give it time…. Almost certain we’re gonna still get that opportunity, just might be a bit…

[@zekieff]

I agree with everything but that not being the man in the wall. I believe the lotus/natah made a deal with the man in the wall. Reason we see our tenno in the Erra death scene with eyes glazed over, also hinted at in the what did you see "nothing". He doesn't want the deal to be revealed yet but he needs both us and the Lotus together for his plan. He led us back to one another. Just my thoughts. Appreciate the video and thoughts as always, TheDsIEGE!

[@TheDsIEGE]

Oh I believe she did too, I just think this section, the prelude to war is a ruse. Personally I can't see any other way around it, that she definitely has her own thing with him that we'll most likely see play out over the next couple years in game.

[@zekieff]

@@TheDsIEGE I do agree with the ruse, I even like the idea of Lotus helmet being a prototype Narmer veil. I just don't believe that it's Balas using our memories for this little part, mainly because at this point we no longer have a transference bolt, it broke in War Within and now we are using our own transference powers to do everything at this point. So it is more likely that it is Wallie trying to reunite us and the Lotus. Can't wait for your next video! You always have ideas that change my perspective of the content. Also believe we might get a few more answers in the Whispers update coming next.

[@aaronharris2703]

What do you think of the idea that the veils were used by the orokin. The orokin masks on the corrupted, they could be veils, this may be how the AI is actually controlling the corrupted. All that Ballas has done is remanufactured this device that they once used and gave it a makeover. They may have used it as a form of control over their now known as Grineer work force.

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

Nevee thought of that, but uts definitely quite plausible.

[@TheDsIEGE]

To me, it definitely lines up perfectly with the new war. Whereas I'm not certain this is what DE had in mind, there sure is a lot of evidence to support it...

[@froneaionut3367]

he knew we were in the mindscape but how

[@jacewilliamson9896]

I wonder have u made a guess to who was controlling the nec when saving the heart in heart of deimos quest...and back to umbra...is his son who died ...could he be a warframe and pazuul .....who made him because I remember erra helping us and now he has a different head?......or....what if he can evolve...what if that scene he was helping the tenno...changed him .or hear me out maybe there's a hidden threat we haven't seen yet hmmm

[@TheDsIEGE]

Grandmother. At the VERY end of the quest, or it could even be when we rank up with their syndicate, i can't remember but she alludes to the fact it was she that did it, i think in order to bring the family back together? I believe that was the reason she gave. Not sure who pazuul might turn out to be but at the moment it was a sentient guardian that died during the old war erra brought back to life. It took over erra's body after the events of the new war.

[@AyBee9725]

7:40 WHERE WAS THIS MISSION WHEN I PLAYED THE GAME???? All I got was just the weird chapter things!!!! Edit: yeah, all I got to play was the part from 9:16 onwards as the Apostasy prologue I think. Fuck I missed out…. And I’m confused af now…

[@gamingwithwolves5615]

I just started replaying the new war and I noticed something that doesn't make much sense.....why are the veils on Solaris robot face shouldn't their machine parts bypass the effects cause their real head is elsewhere? Lol

[@TheDsIEGE]

I'll look into that

[@xemgoa9512]

Two things I can extrapolate from this: * Ballas is a heartless and tenacious sonuvabich. * The man is, or was, playing the longest con possible, and we 'might' not be done with him yet. The Man in the Wall either is an entity in of itself -- or a means to guide our protagonists towards something specific. ... Actually, I dunno if this is any relevant, but anytime that anyone enters the Void, a doppleganger is made in the image of the "guest". Would Ballas have entered the Void prior? Are we facing his 'other'? If not relevant, I wonder if Ballas... is a lot different than he is made out to be, what if he's guiding the Tenno towards something regarding the void? So many questions, not enough answers... and DE sure knows how to give answers that can still open more questions! Good video!

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you and... I guess the way I see it is this. Given his affinity towards continuity and his involvement with so much of the void, I find it very hard to believe he hasn't been visited, and even if he hasn't somehow, he's too smart to let things go with the "horrors the children saw" that forced them into transference. He's an opportunist, so... he knows and if anyone can actually "use" the man in the wall, it's him. He's very much like Ozymandias from the the watchmen, if you think about it.

[@xemgoa9512]

@@TheDsIEGE So, I had to go look up who Ozymandias was, and which led me to his story in a DC IP. So, Ballas is up to something! But ... If your observation is on point, we might either not be done with him yet, or just not done with the consequences of his actions. Yet his actions keep revolving around one key figure in this story: The Lotus/Margulis. I hope to see more observations from you - and more content from DE on how they develop this story! Good work, and take care!

[@daydreamdirty]

A lot depends on what DE wants to focus on next though…. But I agree with all of you.

[@ShineEdgateAshton14]

What if both were true?

[@bernlack]

Hmmm. Perhaps a third?

[@bernlack]

Ah, Shame! 23 seconds where I couldn't see the proper third. Fourth isn't so bad.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Hey, I'm just glad you took the time to write a comment... two actually! Thank you!!!

[@TheFantasticMrPless]

Second perhaps?

[@TheDsIEGE]

I'm a big fan of second, thank you so much!!!

[@Conta_Minated]

Ballas went through some very confusing changes. First, he was the creator of warframes, then he suddenly was able to control the Lotus. At that point he seemed to be in a position of power, but next he suddenly got imprisioned and enslaved by the sentients. Then he suddenly became the ruler of the Narmer cult. None of this makes any sense. I guess you could explain it by Ballas being a mastermind planner. Perhaps every detail, including the part of being enslaved, was a part of his super complex plan. I can't come up with any other way to explain this chaos.

[@royxl9506]

Hey space dad

[@TheDsIEGE]

HeY kIDDO…

[@ArgKnoxville86]

Don't you think there was a lack of plannig from DE when it comes to this whole quest? I mean, the prologue instances prior to TNW quest seem so different from each other and also from TNW itself. Think Ballas for example, He takes the Lotus, then The lotus becomes sentient, then he becomes sentient and seems to be helping us, then they are WITH Erra with some sort of plan and Ballas is chained. Then it turns out Ballas is the one in control, and then he turns out to be Warframe's Thanos. What is going on?? There is no consistency with this character. It is like his motivations change from cutscene to cutscene, which mind you, were delivered to us in separate times. Ballas is portrayed to us as a very smart character in the quest we get Umbra Excal. But this quest would show him to be kinda foolish and imprudent. If Ballas wanted to be with Margullis, there was no need to reach the sentients, if he wanted power there was no need to reach Margullis. And wanting both does not seem to be part of his character. But also regarding your theory about the Lotus' helmet, then picking "the Lotus" as an ending for Lotus/Margullis/Natah would be the bad ending? Bc it would mean we put her back in control through it?

[@MegaLordOfdestructio]

REALY??? you gonna glast us with cut scene wich can be found IF SOMEBODY LIKES TO SEE THAT... i realy dont enjoy skipping you babeling about gfuel and that cutscene

[@TheDsIEGE]

I’m sorry… that scene was pretty important to both the rest of the video and the entirety of the series so I had to include it….

[@aawallace98]

i know some people will disagree with this but i tihnk the new war butchered ballas is character he went form this mysterious enigmatic figure pulling the strings to a raving incel on a gaudy pope hat and no shirt. and i know some people will say that's the point its showing how pathetic he really is but it the change happens so fast and is so at odds with his previous charecterisation it just feel un real and quite frankly this series ahs so manny pathetic villan when constantly meme on like vor, nef and alad it would of have been so nice to just have a hypercompetent enigmatic villan. it also makes me worry what there going to do with parvos

[@notsocrazytank707]

They won't do anything

[@garg0y7e]

i kind of agree, unfortunately. comparing the menace he is in the sacrifice with what he becomes as narmer is.. underwhelming

[@matthewmartinez3550]

I think it makes sense when you figure that Ballas reached his endgame. He thought he won, but then we turn up. I kinda see it like Azula at the end of Avatar. A cunning sadist cracking under pressure when things start to slip.

[@aawallace98]

@@matthewmartinez3550 honestly him breaking down isnt my problem its the way they did it and honestly my main problem is that his ultimate plan was not actually all that cunning or clever it abasically just boiled down to gets a huge army and shove mind control helmets on everyone

[@TheDsIEGE]

Bear in mind all, he believed he had taken care of us and her for good, so the army he amassed would have been more than enough to quell any other issues he might have. and... lest we forget, we almost lost, powerless to do anything to him in the end. Had we the tenno not used his own creation on him, he would have most likely dispatched us easily, as he did the first time. Whereas I do feel they went a bit heavy with the lotus love... If you've ever truly been in love and lost it... Well, you probably know you'd do anything to feel that again... for a moment, wearing the veil... he was happy. And that turned out to be his undoing. It's poetic really, because he used that same feeling of longing on the tenno, and made them do whatever he wanted. We brought the paracesis, exactly what he needed. We kept going after her, even after being told repeatedly not to. He baited us every step of the way and we could do nothing but keep following. For one moment, he let his guard down. If not for that... we lose, so... Whereas he's not written EXACTLY how I would have liked... I also think it's unfair to say his character was poor. Just my take though...

[@Phantomofshadows]

First comment

[@TheDsIEGE]

Nice!!! Thank you for that sweet sweet engagement on the channel!!!

[@darribaspink3078]

wth man, 1 ad every 5 mins... no thx 👋

[@TheDsIEGE]

So… I hear you on this, it’s been happening with the creators I like to watch too, way more mid roll ads, but we don’t control the frequency anymore. KZbin does now…. So I do apologize for that, I realize how annoying it can be. For that I apologize.

[@Jayynoz.]

let him make paper what the hell?!

[@DalanorTheLlama]

Blame it on youtube not on the creator my dude.

[@darribaspink3078]

​@@DalanorTheLlama I never pointed out anyone... I never said it was his fault, I complain about the absurd amount of ads...

[@darribaspink3078]

​@@TheDsIEGE Don't take this as a complaint about your content, it's just that I couldn't help but feel uncomfortable watching the video with so many pauses. I didn't know if KZbin was behind all this