WARFRAME | Is this Zariman Ten Zero a part or consequence of The Deal?

[@goldendoomslayer6301]

The zariman has become my favorite area of the game before that it was deimos and the void towers but omg the zariman is a literal dream come true for me. It is a place that any of the factions if they knew would never come within a thousand miles of the place. It is our home.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Same here. I could spend hours there. It's literally the best area DE has ever made if you ask me.

[@bigf0ot25]

@@TheDsIEGE easily the best updaye they ever did in every area, whether its lore, esthetic or gameplay. Hopefully they return to form now that duviri is done

[@Anonymous-bk9xy]

​​@@TheDsIEGEHow I pray that our Dormizone will become an Orbiter Zone, maybe build an orbiter garage beneath it? Seeing a bunch of unused space outside that front door.

[@FlutterSwag]

Imagine an alien isolation type game set aboad the zariman

[@tellmeninetails5819]

Finally, I like how void angels are servants of this void god just like regular angels are portrayed, but we're essentially known as devils by everyone else, which is interesting because you'd think devils are fallen angels, but not all are. I wonder what type of "devil" we are and our relationship with the man in the wall.

[@TheDsIEGE]

It is an really cool dynamic they are using! I hope it leads somewhere, that's all!

[@mehcutcheon2401]

Kinda like the ghost rider deal, we access the power, and It accesses us and our abilities by getting us accomplish it's goals along with our own.

[@honestkyn718]

The difference between angels and demons depends on whose signing the checks

[@nullpoint3346]

@@honestkyn718 Yup, the only difference between the servants without will (angels and {depending on the mythology} demons) is the voice that commands them and the hand that aims them.

[@eeftankian]

I wonder if the raptwing ephemera (released with the angels of the zariman) is in some way a reference to the man in the wall, since when you equip it on your frame, or more importantly on your drifter/operator, you get 4 arms just like tmitw

[@TheDsIEGE]

Hmmm... Never thought about that... INTERESTING!

[@mehcutcheon2401]

On nidus I have 6 arms with it and the honor skin and interstingly the lotus chest seal sits over the hands on his chest like shackles, which I thought was a pretty cool little feature also.

[@4g3nt06]

I'd love to tell Acritis about the Zariman

[@skinnydelegateofrhyme8637]

Tbh I think she’s grandmother after talking to her a few times over again n her dialogue is vaguely familiar and grandmother says she don’t need a name she knows who she is I wonder if there’s a link. Just a thought I had tho 🤔🤔🤔

[@villepore7013]

​@@skinnydelegateofrhyme8637Or maybe Acritis was based on Grandma when Eluria wrote tales of duviri.

[@Kuldirongaze1]

You find out Grandmother's name if you listen to her Dagath story.

[@notsae66]

Us being Void Demons that look like children has always been my thoughts, though I've always leaned more towards Daemonprinces where Wally essential scooped out out soul (our light as it were) and replaced it with bunch of void stuff/shoved out light into a body made of void stuff. Being out and out dopplegangers would be an interesting twist, though I'm not fully convinced.

[@TheDsIEGE]

It's tough to say... the way you describe it could just as easily be the way too, Maybe we'll find out soon!

[@notsae66]

@@TheDsIEGE "Soon" in relative, DE terms of course lol.

[@doootheytho9821]

@@notsae66 don’t forget to prime and umbra-fy it. Lol

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

The Orokin always considered us demons, but they were not very reliable narrators.

[@higueraft571]

@@YumLemmingKebabs And dont forget, the Orokin are *incredibly* stupid too (and Assholes), this does not help their case :V

[@quinn669]

Little thing on the drawings in the Zariman (in the new war quest): when I got the light back (starting the "Meet your parent" quest part) and shone it on one of the pictures depicting the man in the wall (was on a sideways table) the picture CHANGED into the creepiest sideview I've ever seen. haven't played the quest again after that.

[@TheDsIEGE]

I'll check that out, thank you!

[@NyghtWolf]

OMG I thought it was just a visual bug, I noticed this too!! Absolutely creeped me the hell out. I want to say there are lights you can pick up around the Zariman missions that you can use that may let you be able to see them again!

[@fizzybitzobacon5747]

I find it pretty odd how the front half of the zariman is sticking out in to the origin system AND duviri. Like the drifter's version was sent to their construct reality, duviri. And when they reconnect with us, maybe our version was sent to our reality.

[@R462venom]

It always bugged me how it seems to face the front in both worlds.

[@tellmeninetails5819]

I think it's important to note that certain advertisements are canon as well. The tennocon 2022 duviri paradox 20 minute gameplay video is in fact CANON and happened before we broke free of the loop properly. The difference in audio and actions aren't coincidence, Teshin is likely the only one that remembers us from our miriad of cycles and attempts to escape. Even the new war trailers: Ever thought it was wierd that in game it just happened? we didn't see the invasion or anything? Turns out we did. In the 2019 New war official cinematic trailer.

[@nathanielsearle9822]

This. It’s also further “confirmed” by the fact that the Tenno do send us archguns through the paradox, however that works. Plus I do believe in New War the Drifter does say that the operator was in Duviri for a bit, so I think we just haven’t seen it yet

[@tellmeninetails5819]

As for who benifits there is actually a lot of lost lore in "ask a cephalon" where you ask the lotus' personal cephalon why we barely see npc's in warframe and stuff: Because we're deployed far, FAR away from them due to how destructive warframes are. colonies of people are benefiting from our actions, even the railjack cephalon cy leaves the empty ships we clear out "for the locals" which is pretty messed up if you think about all the bodies inside of them.

[@Imsleepeebruh]

seeing how far the story has come is just.. so nice tbh :')

[@TheDsIEGE]

Yeah, and this year might really put a nice capstone on all of this... fingers crossed!

[@wtfman2049]

that would mean the story would be done...i wouldnt like that@@TheDsIEGE

[@DeadlyAlpha]

​@@wtfman2049maybe it would just be the end of the man in the wall story... And we'd have a new threat emerge 🤷‍♂️

[@ODedonlife]

I believe you're forgetting one more possibility that arises from eternalism. The possibility that there's a 3rd tenno. A third ship. The Zariman that made it to its destination. Now they would obviously have no real impact o the story (possibly/yet), but it gives us the 3 paths of possibility, the tenno that made it, the tenno that got stuck in the void jump, and the tenno that failed the jump entirely.

[@Lucifer04289]

I wonder how the sentients would act in that third reality.

[@kevinpaap2890]

Did the Orokin send the sentients to Tau before or after the Zariman incident? I thought it was before, so they could terraform it for the colony ship. If so, since the sentients eventually turn on the Orokin anyway and set their goal on preventing the Orokin from ruining another system, they probably would have killed everyone on the Zariman anyways. And then the sentients would back to Sol and destroy the Orokin, since there would be no operators for the warframes.

[@JCLegendary]

@@kevinpaap2890 I think the Sentients were sent after the Zariman. The Orokin have to build a junction/solar rail to the Tau system. The rail will make the journey safer than a void jump with a reliquary drive, but there needs to be a gate on both sides. Which means someone needs to travel to Tau and build the other side of the gate. The Zariman crew would have built it but their void jump failed, and humans probably won't survive long enough to make the journey without void travel. So the Sentients were created and traveled to Tau the slow way.

[@RetroAmateur1989]

@@JCLegendary I am fairly sure the sentients were sent in to terraform Tau, and then the Zariman would be sent to colonize it. It made it back just as the war had started.

[@silverbloodborne9495]

​@@JCLegendaryno before the mission the tenno was supposed to part of the very first people to colonize that new system

[@meatwax]

The story of the 10-0 was one of the most unsettling bits of lore that seemed to have been glossed over it would make for a great stand-alone survival horror game

[@TheDsIEGE]

and visiting it is no better. That place is creepy as hell

[@nest-v-]

I was uninterested in the zariman after the quest but watching this gave it a new light for me to appreciate, helps that im getting back into warframe cause of whispers in the wall

[@Darthmufin]

There is always a third option, DE wasn't as ambitious with the lore back then, so later events essentially removes them as cannon. It's entirely possible this is just rectonning some older lore.

[@TheDsIEGE]

That's true too and one of the issues with theory crafting. Tough to get something right when retcons can change everything we know in an instant

[@Darthmufin]

exactly right, anything before the new war id reckon COULD possibly be retconned here and there purely out of scope since before that point it seemed the story direction was very simple@@TheDsIEGE

[@hypersectomy]

Thank you! Really well put together, the plot we have all wanted is becoming clearer. I think in Drifter's reality the sentients wiped out the origin system so there was no rescue, adopting the operators timeline for a planetary system ripe for invasion. We the player are here considered another incarnation of the drift/operator - making choices along the eternal weave - glimpsing the horror future through our screens. The deal stretching all the way back to us never having stepped foot on the Zariman in our future.

[@hypersectomy]

Posting for posterity following the demo today. We are blessed.

[@kevonlangston1914]

I have a gut feeling that the man in the wall is us, the operator, after merging the void. He is what we eventually become. I have a feeling the ending of the story will either be us becoming the man in the wall or us breaking the cycle that creates the man in the wall ending in his defeat. It really makes just because how the tenno are linked to the void. The void doesn’t exist to harm the tenno but maybe use them as some sort of vessel or physical embodiment. Maybe we make the void strong just as it makes us strong. The man in the wall is that peak point in power in which we are one with the void. Maybe the man in the wall let the operator and the drifter survive because they are two halves that make him whole. The drifter able to create his own world inside the void and the operator able to harness the power of the void and control those around them. The man in the wall is an all powerful figure we fear because we don’t any thing about him, but he is just us when we stare into the abyss it stares right back. From the moment we shook his hand on the zariman we were instantly intertwined by fate. I believe that we are playing through the creation of the man in the wall, “our other self” and the ending of warframe might be us resetting the timeline to avoid him from being created or us turning into him creating a timeloop we trapped in. Could also explain why he takes our form and why he calls us kiddos. Because we are the child version of him. I think it would be a perfect ending until warframe 2 of course 😂

[@maarek71]

I want to point something out I realized when watching this that I never noticed before. Look closely at the scene where Wally extends his hand for the handshake. His hand looks very similar to the way the Drifter's did after gaining the Lotus' severed hand in the Duviri Paradox. This made an entirely new thought enter my head, and it's a wild one. What if we........have all this time.........been the man in the wall ourselves? Sounds nuts I know but as wild as this ride has been I would not rule it out.

[@TheDsIEGE]

I think that's actually a pretty good possibility. Not probabilty, but possible without question.

[@maarek71]

@@TheDsIEGE Another thing I have considered is the possibility that this whole time we are just a schizophrenic and all this has been different personalities warring inside one head. Duviri really made me think about that with the different personalities driving the environment depending on moods.

[@theEquYnoX]

@25:20 the picture of the "Beast". Its upside down (strangers things upside down?) and when flipped you can see eye's and nostrils. , and what I see (the black smug) looks like the Lotus head. Remember in the New war, the "I need more...MORE!!!" scene?

[@TheDsIEGE]

It's definitely one of the creepiest images to come across, especially when you're not ready for it. like I was, lol... Still gives me the shivers.

[@mdrivera8481]

I LOVE the concept of the Man in the Wall, it´s so cool. I´m glad we´re finally focusing on him in the new expansion.

[@laneleach]

Part of me wonders if there are any other drifters out there, we know there were hundreds of tenno. But what about their counterparts?

[@TheDsIEGE]

I always wonder what the significance of "the Hollow children" will be... who's to say it's not that, passengers aboard the ship...

[@Voldrim359]

The answer is yes because you can still form a group for Duviri

[@memesboy726]

these lore videos are amazing. Thank you so much for putting these out.

[@ivixr427]

Thank you for the video! What a coincidence the main Warframe channel released a teaser about the same topic on the same day. A have a theory reaching back to one of your videos where you mention a possible mother-father fight between the Lotus and the Wall. In the Apostasy prologue, a single purple light leads us to Lua and show us how the Lotus leaves us. Possibly for our own good to know it happens. But in the Chimera prologue, the Man in the wall himself shows us the way to Ballas giving us a sword to KILL the Lotus while making fun of her and projecting Lotus shaped black figures to attack us. He wants her dead or he wanted to release the Drifter the way like this.

[@DEvilgodspidER]

There's something I don't think you've noticed (and afaik no one else has either) I mentioned this on the (Un)official Warframe Discord, I can give you the message date and everything, but Ballas, he "dissapears", right after TMITW appears at the end of the New War, and this is DURING a cutscene, we never get any confirmation of him actually dying, or better yet, where did he go? I'd love to hear your thoughts on that, or if it helps you on the foundation of your theories, love ya Siege, keep up with the videos.

[@TheDsIEGE]

That's a really good catch... Hmmm... Let me think on that a bit.

[@godzelda123]

So if we're the doppelganger, and we see our own doppelganger on our ship, does that mean Wally can make a copy of a copy?

[@TheDsIEGE]

You know... a bunch of people brought forth a theory to me years ago that I didn't want to admit but... If you've ever seen Fight club, or the willem dafoe version of the green goblin, they are talking to their conscience, but it's in their head. It makes me wonder if we aren't doing the same thing. Can't say for certain, mind you, he does seem to be the master of copying people but... i'd say either are possible if my theory is accurate.

[@xhyckoh]

​@@TheDsIEGE I think you're right about being our projection, our body got the blacked eyes/changed voices several times already: with Lotus killing Erra in The Old War, rejecting continuity (The War Within'), TWW mountain ending scene and maybe more.

[@whatsnewbois9814]

So Drifter was left behind to the mad/ravenous adults and potentialy having all his other timelines and posibilities destroyed/killed off, while everyone else was saved... Damn Son

[@Cosmiccakecat]

After seeing the recent trailer for tennocon, i think you hit the nail on the head with this one.

[@tossitupman]

I do enjoy how everyone who leaves a voice log is a part-time poet lol

[@bluebomber28]

00:00 HOLY SHIT KYLE CRANE!?

[@Nathan_Coley]

I quit playing Warframe a few years back but have recently stumbled across your channel again. Making me consider jumping back in.

[@NightBane345]

I want to be able to explore the Zariman, without having the pressure of a mission time or objective thrown upon us. Explore it, and feel the pure disturbing horror of it, but same time, the weird beauty of the Zariman. How twisted the void made it, and the people, twisted in horror, but same time, a strange beauty to them. Has such a potential to it, for eploration. Have said this on previous video, but I keep wanting this, and who knows, maybe the Devs will see the comments, mine or someone elses, and get inspiration to make such a option in the game

[@shauntempley9757]

I would like DE to make the Zariman an entire open landscape after completing the nodes, like a reflection of Duviri itself, but with a key difference, that it is clear of enemies except void angels. Since the bounties seem to take place on the nodes anyway.

[@GhostlyPancakeTheOddMancake]

This puts Warframe in a beautiful unique place for story, insinuating that we are possibly the villain. This possibility intrigues me... finding out after years that I might be the problem and not the solution would shatter my perceptive. I wonder if the tenno could ever change this about himself? Great video as always. You keep me thinking.

[@holomatic1549]

The tenno have always been the villain of the story; we are gaslit to believe from the very start that we are to be neutral and are presented to different versions of the same story; the only real life in the whole solar system are the people of Cetus, Fortuna, Deimos to an extent, and Phobos, beyond that its just colonies of the main three factions. We are always shown that the main three factions have their own reason to "conquer" the rest of the system and kill the Tenno, but it always has boiled down to a basic of constant war due to lack of communication. Should the Grineer and Corpus agree to forge an alliance, they'd raze with the Infested, take down all of the Orokin territory and their technology, and make a somewhat decent front against the Sentient. We are but mere mercenaries in an ongoing war, we fight for "freedom", but it does not matter, because it isn't OUR war that we participate in.

[@ImBoredAF1]

Yesterday I came across a log of that one asshole degrading everyone on the ship, then cutting food rations to one meal a day as a punishment. Didn't even know there were logs on the ship. Interesting stuff, great video.

[@itsascendingfr]

a day wait... damn

[@TheDsIEGE]

no it's today... that's my fault.

[@itsascendingfr]

@TheDsIEGE oh okay I'll be there

[@mattd8725]

Steve said in a dev stream or something that the "morality" choices are just thematic or aesthetic and will have no surprise plot twist attached to them.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Yeah, but... we'll see if it always stays that way...

[@z-file9321]

completely unrelated to the video, but i wanna say just how much i appreciate your content and the amount of thought & effort you put into your theories. other channels make the most surface-level bare-bone low-effort recital of stuff that is already clearly laid out ,and i just die a lil on the inside. yours are actually Inciteful, thought-provoking, and never fail to make my day better. Thank you, truly.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you!!! That really is the goal here, to peel back a few layers and look into the deeper story. It's the reason I started the channel in the first place, so I really appreciate you saying this. Many in the community don't like my content because they feel it makes too many grand assumptions off little things, but... I believe that's where the people who make the game get their ideas moving forward too! Looking at things already established in world and build off little breadcrumbs. Personally I love this type of content and given that people like yourself still enjoy it, I see no reason to stop!!!

[@ReviewersGuildArSR]

Watching this after seeing the Warframe teaser really has me thinking we're finally gonna confront Wally.

[@hawkblade9478]

@22:30 The "Singing, laughter and play" didn't come from TENNO(S) it came from "younger version" of adults (like you can see younger version of Yonta during void flood mission). "Younger version" could also mean kids that were "Yuvan". Who's bodies were taken over by adults so adults can live longer. Although Albrecht encountered Man in the Wall, he didn't take "the deal". The kid whos body Albrecht took over, his last Yuvan, did take "the deal". Man in the Wall only makes deals with children.

[@DyingDarkStar]

I this is actually how i assumed it was. It would explain why the operator is in a child form and how they can't die. It also makes more sense the drifter them being the actual tenno, or maybe they're the tennos light? To me that would also explain the events that transpired before we start the duviri quest. Like the void is eroding the defense of the tennos light (duviri) to get to the light (the drifter).

[@0oAngel0fDeatho0]

First... @TheDsIEGE ... Awesome video, as always... one that needs to be watched more then once. Great job. Second... Even the logs at the beginning, tell us about childrens who laugh and roam the ship. A Girlfriend or wife of the narator of the logs, even tried to kill one. MAYBE... Adults never really got mad... Maybe kids did. I mean... every parent would notice that "that thing" is not their child, so they would become agressive... right? And "kids" killed them in "selfdefence". I mean... Who said that adults got mad? The survivors - kids. Also... what Holdfast are saying that adults got mad... the crew is made of the void. They will say what we wish to hear... right? And in the War within... at the end, depending on what we do with the Kuva, Wally possess us and say something... relevant? Maybe a first clue to what you are saying now? And about the Zariman... ship itself. It kept bugging me for a long time... Ember codex tells us it was military ship. Queen tells us there are fires in the lower decks (same decks where kids were hiding?), and we see the ship as colonist ship, without any evidence of fires.... - So I tried to explain it with the Eternalizm... There were all posibilities... And Zariman, colony ship went to void... and Zariman miletery ship... and Zariman explorer ship... There were kids... and there weren't kids... The Man in the wall, chose the reality of the ship he found it was most useful, and made it real. Does that mean... that actually, eternalizm is dictated by Man in the wall? All choices come in one spot in void and only one comes out in the reality, while other choices remain in void to be swallowed/eaten/or what ever by the man in the wall... maybe? Sorry for the long post... its just... after every video you make... I start having endless ideas, some stupid some not so much... but it always makes me think. Thank you :)

[@TheDsIEGE]

Hmmmm.... that's an interesting take and one to consider... Makes a lot of sense too, like this whole thing was staged for a specific purpose, if you will.

[@SamuSeen]

That made me think about how the Zariman Ten-Zero is seemingly sticking out of Duviri but, what if it isn't? We assume half of Zariman Ten-Zero is stuck but what if that's the shole ship and what's on the pther side is a "reflection" of it? The motif of reflection is deeply interconnected to Divuri and Zariman. The entirely of Duviri is in one way or another a reflection of our solar system. Things happening in our system happen in Duviri correspond to events in system.

[@shiroyuma2876]

gave me bit of chils thinking about it but great video and great deep dive into the lure

[@dreamlessking9]

The zariman was by far my favorite update, i liked just exploring the classrooms

[@105thBattalion]

I was thinking the other day: when the Orokin need a role filled, they would make a subspecies purpose-bred (the Dax and their unwavering loyalty in exchange for suits, augments, and tools, Grineer clone armies, and of course Sentient builders) would it be of the realm of possibility we were originally to be the progenitors of a new subspecies in Tau and when the crew rebelled the Orokin let them die to the Void?

[@cagebusterjapan734]

I really like this video😊. My favorite part is when the man in the wall double ganger asked deisege is that all you remember kiddo? And Deisege answered how he would but not his in game character. I like that. It makes it more personal. I was not so crazy about the intro with the voice over that took a full minute before deisege came in. I think if you wanted to do something like that in the future, you should voice it yourself. You have a nice voice Deisige.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you for that feedback and I think you're right, the intro was too long. That being said, I wnted to include it because I'm not sure many people have seen that given that it never appears in game, only online. But thank you for the compliment on my voice!

[@agaroththedemon1591]

my scales show more dark then my light my evil choices out weighed my good ones i have a little light but more shadows

[@arturotorres5663]

😂😂😂 i'm sorry but you using those lines out of Rell was hilarious!!

[@skinnydelegateofrhyme8637]

I swear acrithis is grandmother from subtle things they both say in there dialogues

[@TheDsIEGE]

Working on a theory paralleling characters within duviri with ones from the origin system. We'll see if it goes anywhere.

[@wrath_of_ronin1095]

Man, I love your videos. Always worth the wait!

[@amscarpi]

Maybe it’s just because it’s my favorite example of a big crew on a ship going nuts and everything going crazy, but I always felt the events on the Zariman kind of played out similar to dead space. If the crew of the ship turned into the angels? Definitely similar. However, the way it was presented on game felt more centered around how the ship exists now in the origin system rather than how it was when we, or the drifter, were still lost. The holdfasts touched on their experiences, but the rank ups were more about them coming to terms with what happened and moving forward, so we don’t dwell on much. Would love to see a true retelling of the events on the Zariman in game, and maybe through both perspectives? See how the ship became empty like it’s seems to have done In drifter’s universe, and what it was like when we were rescued in ours. Whether each result was because of the deal, and what that deal pertains to I’ll worry about later. Now, I just want some real spooks, some real messed up shit, rather than just…hearing about it? Thinking about it? Imagination only gets me so far if none of it ever becomes a reality.

[@leonx2603]

A thought occurs about the drifter and the Tenno. There’s a theory about how Wally creates a copy of albreckt entrati and how he questions if he’s himself or a copy. And the same could be true for the Tenno, now Wally likes the Tenno but hates the drifter this we know. What if the Tenno is a copy made by Wally and the drifter is the original us before the deal was made. This would explain why the drifter is the one switched out when the Tenno is trapped in the void by ballas. Their not from parallel timelines but the same one.

[@GoldWabbitG]

I love the Rapture Bioshock vibes.

[@raydark8007]

6:11 well this is new to me....and now I cant unsee it -_-

[@Zer0TheProdigy]

I noticed that Cavalerro makes a Junji Ito reference when doing the Argozene missions where he says, “Find the socket that calls to you, your socket, the socket that was meant for you…” Between that, the tragedy of the Zariman, the spiral designs of the Void Angels and the Zariman, and the fact that the Void “calls” to the ghosts of the Zariman until they theoretically reach the point of no return gave me a lot more Junji Ito inspiration than I realized at first. Also if the Tenno is a “void doppelgänger” as per your theory, I wonder if the empathy the Tenno show has anything to do with the Drifter trying to help and empathize with the other children and Wally mirroring that empathy to a degree. If Albrechts void mirror spawned “The indifference”, could the Drifter spawn “The Empath” or can the void ONLY be indifferent. Tagfer does describe the void as clumsily doing things but also lonely.

[@gorillazzillathemeh5897]

The Orokin straight up, lies.

[@atombombmcatoms828]

Something I only noticed recently is that on the Zariman all the what i can only describe as patches of solid void all over the place is also in the design of The Man In The Walls crown around where the ears would be.

[@panzerofthelake500]

As for the ships considering they are mirrored with it going towards whatever land you are in it's likely they're just sitting on top of each other as the ships themselves serve no other purpose unless in relation to the Tenno. at the start when the ship gets catapulted past Saturn towards tau and if we consider his perspective there are all these foreign little lights. some take the deal some don't. some are more interesting than others some fight others decide to turn inwards and considering how curious and playfully malicious he is as to our reactions, curiosity may be tempted him investigate and to follow the ship back home to see more reactions and see more stories and to do that he found one light just in the right spot with the right shine to take the deal but it is that want that he describes. he wants a willing person or vessel in this case to help him in exchange for a bit of help on some vague " I'll scratch your metal back and you scratch mine" deal that is important. in all other documentations of voids or abyss the person is always resisting his pull afraid of his shenanigans except the tenno to an extent. if we go with the whole drifter is the original child here then it makes the shenanigans a bit more believable since "great I have one really bright ass light in the bottom corner of room next to the room I want to go to" and since the timeline is parallel to the drifter then it paints the Tenno we play Ie. the operator being not a doppelganger but more a failed copied facade more than anything which makes a bit more sense since they seem to only be able to react to things although whether that is by design or not is questionable. the drifter is the only one who seems to suffers from the common human condition of looking to the bleak future and giving up in apathy at his powerlessness meanwhile our operator seems to spout nothing but cookie cutter "we fought with honor" rhetoric that seems really hollow and silence in most other cases they only change being important decisions like killing the queens or remembering umbra's memory which seems to satisfy the want for more and whether it's just time constraints or not is up to you either way whether because of times changing and the game sort of rotating in the oven not getting the full treatment on all sides is debatable but what is clear is he wants us to want. he wants us to feel, and our operator seems to serve their purpose just fine, but they lack humanity it may be a light but not the right one like the other. " It just doesn't have that shine kiddo". consider also how the material used in question here for this window shopping doesn't seem to really matter as he will pick the highest high lights like Albrecht or lower ones like us, people who would even consider making the deal or getting close enough to at least see him. what happens in-between seem to be possible rewrites to push that shine in just the right spot and lead him right back to where he wants to be. maybe we already did with the whole sentient ship in the sun and us being his eyes and ears in a sense and now he's just happy to jump through the gaps to see more little lights. as for whether this wall of text is helpful or not the answer is no because you can't react to him in any way. you did in apathy at the end as the drifter and it created a crumbling kingdom of fever dreams, so to do or not do. there are other things like when the operator just blindly does dumb sht with lotus like the whole Natah quest which considering how loyally our character follows her and how she may or may not have made a deal with the man in the wall is food for thought. or consider how he doesn't really infect or corrupt anything merely transform as we can see with the hold fast where at the start their dialogue is just like rambling pure thought but as we bring them back to reality it seems to quiet a bit preventing them from turning into a smear of void bodies on the ship's halls. other small details also add up such as with music or cues like the deal with the very human chorus in the background or how Duviri's music is just more alive in all case apart from the undercroft slightly leading to that whole human feeling thing mentions before although that can be attributed to more live actual instruments. idk, it means nothing mostly. just pure thought.

[@wanderworld]

"Zariman Actual" - Doesn't feel like a slip. Did I miss something or does this not feed directly into the idea of the "copies" - Maybe Void travel IS making copies. One here, one there.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Good catch, never really thought about that!

[@wanderworld]

In fact, pulling on that strand a little more, maybe the film "Primer" has some interesting ideas that would be helpful here? I cannot help thinking that WE don't travel, but we create a copy of our consciousness in another place (transference?), but we have to use The Void to do this. They call it a "long jump", but maybe transference across a long distance requires more of The Void's energy to try and keep that consciousness intact, increasing the level of risk if something goes wrong? Cephalons are simply consciousness digitized, right, so why is this not the same principle? Are we ALL cephalons at the end of the day?

[@wanderworld]

@@TheDsIEGE How did the trailer hit you? Seems like we may well be going down your path sir!

[@brezn_4183]

Not the talk about salvation Guess the void makes us both victim and perpetrator

[@Zero60133]

I find it hard to make sense of lot of story concepts, based on trailers, lore expositions or whatever. As it feels like lot of stuff, especially the trailers get retconned a lot, my most clear examples being the conversation Nathah has with her "mother" in one of New War trailers, only for Erra to reveal their "mother" to be dead all along, also in Duviri trailer, Dominus Trax talks about "what's so interesting out there", and says he wants to follow Drifter out of his realm, only for that topic to never be touched upon. Honestly, i want to follow and keep up with Warframe lore, but i feel like lot of things get rewritten on the fly and don't add up with previous info, and i can't really make sense of lot of topic anymore. At least that's how i feel..

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

The people of the Zariman revolted against the Orokin rulers. Tuvul requested those people to be punished. So the Hold fast were the ones who responded with violence and cutting them off from their food. Tuvul didn't care for his people starving to death. My beliefs are that the reliquary drive didn't fail, but was sabotaged too as a punishment. The Hold Fast saw their mistakes, but it was too late. They died trying to right their wrongs. Only for them to be mysteriously resurrected and be stuck with their guilt seeing what their obedience to the Orokin did. They are stuck forever, having no choice but to face what the consequences of their behaviour was day by day while they simply cannot die.

[@TheDsIEGE]

It's a bad situation no doubt... it also makes me wonder if the sabotage you speak of was always going to happen.

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

@@TheDsIEGE I don't remember who but there was a lore KZbinr who pieced all the Zariman lore together that came with the Angels Of The Zariman update and he said that Yonta had to install a switch that would cause the ship to fail if the people would revolt. Because the Orokin knew they would. Similarly to how the Orokin built the Sentients to lose their fertility once they traveled back through the void to prevent them from rising up against their makers. The Orokin were responsible for these horrors. They deserved everything we did to them and more. The only mildly good Orokin are the Entrati family and they are really only good because their infestation and responsibilities leaves them no other choice. But even they stole bodies from the children if their own citizens.

[@nirablackfire2792]

@@thimovijfschaft3271 It really is criminal just how easily the deeds of the Orokin can be glossed over by how fascinating and impressive their empire was. When you first play the game you're awestruck by what they've built and how advanced their society was. It's only later do you realize just how *e v i l* they truly were. From body snatching to sadistically finding the worst ways to let the people under their rule suffer for breathing in their direction the wrong way. Life for the Orokin was great, life under the Orokin... was thinly veiled HELL. The fact the Entrati family are halfway decent is honestly more of a miracle than anything else. But perhaps that's balanced out by the fact that dear ol granddad is 90% of the reason we're all in this mess in the first place.

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

@@nirablackfire2792 the Entrati are probably only halfway decent because they have been stuck with eachother for a thousand years. So they don't really have much of a choice. But yeah they likely committed body snatching as well since... Well they are Orokin...

[@StiffAftermath]

The fingers on the floor of Albrecht's lab are his own, from all the shattered realities now condensed in to just one (quantum mechanical super-position collapse* when Albrecht observed all possible realities taking place in the void). The void shadows the real world. Albrecht fell into the void. Albrecht is the void entity now, and he has one missing finger symbolizing his lost finger from his sole, collapsed reality from many*. The "man in the wall in humanoid form" that we see on our ship is the real "man in the wall". He is Albrecht's doppleganger, escaped from the void. Albrecht is trying to get out of the void to switch with the man in the wall.

[@curtisngl]

I know siege is gonna be eating good on lore after that tennocon teaser that just dropped

[@lordshadow1138]

I still want to believe that the orokin empire is not completely dead. That only a fragment has been lost. The old war is still not concluded and we may have to fight them in a final conflict to bring the universe to balance. But this would imply one or 2 more whole star charts. Another comment did mention the possibility that there are 3 tenno. The one who completed the journey. The one who was lost to the void. And the one returned. This would be cool cause it may lend to the possibility that when fighting the orokin for the final time they would break out their own tenno against us. The tenno would have their own civil war to fight as well. Interesting ideas all around though. Wait and see but Im excited for more as always with this game.

[@ViperNine]

I very rarely spend any time in the Zariman, so after this video, i did!

[@TheDsIEGE]

It's a really creepy place...

[@thelatinoaries667]

Love your videos

[@hobbitsizefighter7237]

The Zariman reminds me of that ship called "Aniara" in the novel titled with the same name authored by Harry Martinson, I feel a sense of dread, realizing that the ship is a giant grave...

[@00_Exia]

The deal was “I can save them, all of them” that deal never included YOU

[@LocksLifeLove]

The thing that gets me is the 'fact' that the Ember codex says that the ship was in pristine condition when they rescued the children from it. However, if the ship was in pristine condition why didn't they use the ship. It is my theory that while _that version_ of the ship was in great condition it was the void manifestation of the Zariman and that things were happening on that vessel the Orokin couldn't explain. I also believe that that version of the ship disappeared shortly afterward. This probably prompted the Orokin to try and bury/erase any record of that ship/version. The real Zariman re-appeared recently. The one with all the twisted broken void exposed history. Also ... FUEL.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Yes, this is an interesting inconsistency to say the least. Well, it appears that way if nothing else.

[@ianhandy5090]

The drifter isnt the one who took the deal, WE are, the drifter DIDNT take the deal

[@filanfyretracker]

I think most thought it would be a series of short hops to Tau, Rather than one single leap.

[@Nokomak]

The Zariman situation really reminds me of Dead Space.

[@cooldudeninja0219]

So I have an interesting idea that kinda a bit more out of the box but as the saying goes "To see the future we must look at our past" what if DE has given us hints or at least ideas they wanted to use but couldn't from their previous games? While there probably a few ideas and connecting dots that seem a bit pointless sometimes it's those small things that really tell the bigger picture. Though I'm taking this idea from Bungie sometimes storytelling does connect to other things in strange ways.

[@RobleViejo]

@TheDsIEGE did you notice the frame of the transmission? 2 Yellow dots on the Left side, 1 Yellow dot on the Right side and a Blue and White dot on the bottom., thats because The Centauri System IRL is a Binary Star System.

[@SPJester_]

Will you shake my hand will you shake this old poor sinner's hands........ This whole video reminded me of that scene from princess and the frog because you literally might have a friend on the other side but if you were to break the deal what's gonna happen to you?

[@Acolyte_of_Seer]

you can go to that underside??? i always figured it was out of bounds....well played DE you hid a helluva thing there

[@TheDsIEGE]

Oh yeah you can... and it's pretty crazy down there.

[@leonx2603]

Something that is always bugging me like a little voice in the back of my head. Is the phrase “ WE END AS WE BEGIN” it’s said by so many important characters. By Wally, in the requiem oull, Wally keeps repeating this phrase whether it’s in voidtongue or by own of the void mirror characters. The question is why is that phase so important to keep getting repeated? My theory is that the end of warframe is at where it began. Whether that’s the deal we make aboard the Zeiremman or all the way back to the door entreti made.

[@DracoSafarius]

While the obvious answer is DE having big lore inconsistencies (since this is mentioned to be the actual original ship), I think it's likely that the original Zariman was recovered and eventually destroyed when used against Sentients or just eventual disrepair, and this is the Drifter's version from an alternate universe. If it's not, and we're playing with the idea that it fell back into the void then we get more questions. We know it was supposed to be pristine when the Orokin reclaimed it, but the one we see now is partly derelict. If this is the case, and the ship is the original, then I think there was some void fuckery. Ship was actually fine, but the crew panicked and made the events happen as we see them play out, but when it falls back into real space the Tenno (being fine as they're not inanimate objects like the ship, and are blessed by the void) are the only ones left aboard and the ship is in reality fine. Some kind of void corruption permeates the ship and it starts to phase back into the void, so the Orokin get it out of any shipyard it was sitting in and off it goes back across dimensions. Back in the void the spirits of people that couldn't leave and/or died project the nightmarish visage on the ship again, and it stays in the void for so long that it essentially overwrites the ship in actuality and lets the new version travel out of the void and back into the origin system. So if the second is the case, then this is the original, and was fine, but at the same time all the nightmarish events did happen and only after the fact of recovery did it fully change the ship.

[@ksword6009]

They did say one of the next warframes would be a Halloween one so maybe they will release a creepy quest like chains of harrow but on the zariman around Halloween

[@zulugrub]

always love how people try to make sense in something that is not really suppose to make much sense, this is mostly likely subjective part of the game just like someone who paints a painting. You can see it in many ways depending how you look, make you think. There is no right answer.

[@TheDsIEGE]

I think there is a right answer and I believe DE knows it. But, I think they also make it ambiguous so that interpretations can be varied, which is actually one of the best parts of their narrative writing if you ask me...

[@dorugu]

it is a different ship the ship that has reappeared is the zariman that the drifter comes from it's from a time line where we tenno weren't found or rescued something sent it back here or perhaps it never left myself i believe that time doesn't exsist in the void it has no meaning there a place where past present and future is one

[@renexmoon]

What is no other shake ever accord, what is shaking the hand when he's uses lotuses hand after we've been tossed back into the void it's the first one. What if only now he finally got it. And everything before it was just trying over and over again. After all time isn't linear in internalism.

[@renexmoon]

But then again thinking about this from internalism standpoint all of them are correct at the same time.

[@leavemebevidsarecrappy9039]

Is it just me or is that audio at the start kind of sound like mirage from apex?

[@TheDsIEGE]

Maybe same voice actor?

[@EdwardG-el9fd]

22:30 "singing, laughter and play" are from the adults that lost their mind, right?

[@livingalife8879]

Wouldnt it make sense if the zariman (thats here now) is the drifters version.

[@TheDsIEGE]

It absolutely is. The original Zarimen was recovered years ago, otherwise there would be no tenno in the first place

[@STUVash]

That crescent shape you mentioned is also seen in the book the Duviri citizens read along with two other drawings, with one being another crescent shape with a bit more details, probably more similar to the Zariman silhouette. I didn't think it was a hand, maybe more like an impact. The Zariman jumping with enough force to hit the wall and stuck itself inside it. When you are playing in Duviri you do see the that side of the Zariman sticking out of that weird void veil in the sky, making sense so far. However, now that I think about it there's something curious. Even though going in the Zariman's dormizone can lead you to start a Duviri run and letting you interact with Acrithis; implying this one Zariman is pretty real as it is also being seen and interacted by the Lotus, the Tenno, grineer and corpus ships, the holdfast, the drifter, and the Duviri people. But from the orbiter view, the same side is seen sticking out as in Duviri. Is it a replica from the drifter's mind or the original seen in two locations at once or is it two ships ?

[@TheDsIEGE]

It's definitely something I'm hoping we get a bit more clarity on at some point, although I'm not sure when that will be. Time will tell, although we might get some new information in the whispers in the walls quest alluding to all this. I'm hoping. Hey, thank you again, for the support, I really appreciate it!!! A new video will be out tomorrow, btw!

[@STUVash]

@@TheDsIEGE The drawings tend to look like rushed and childish, it could be anything if we imagine the representation was simplified and details skipped. Funnily enough, the very detailed Dominus Thrax' statues also have this simplified crescent shape in his hand; in this instance I thought it was the moon but now that I saw the crescent shape a bit everywhere I don't know anymore x) Nice I'll look forward to the video, I don't use notifications but I do check the channel once in a while manually.

[@cavemanpretzel9520]

24:13 thats most likely the zariman itself depicted, not the moon

[@darkshotgun209]

I think the Zariman we explore is a different 1 there's the 1 from our timeline that made it back to the system the Drifters ended up in Duvri and this other 1 that has a slightly different events then the other 2 where possibly the kids either died or got out of the Zarinan leaving the adults to kill each other and probably end up as Void angels them instead of getting out of the void at roughly same time is as in our timeline something got on the ship reaking havoc on it making the adults left to basically hide wherever they could stalling and getting rid of the opportunity to get out of void until the new war happens and we're stabbed getting yeeted into the void but it wasn't enough to leave the void until the end of the new war after the man in the wall appeared leaving a big enough opportunity to escape from the void to where we got the quest just a thought even though I'm probably wrong so worth a try to guess.

[@satorumayokohama1133]

imagine if the real Zariman was actually in Tau and this is just its fucked Copy counterpart

[@kalev_knight]

I offer an idea eternalisim is both yes and no and a deal is benifical to both sides but can be one sided so what of the deal ol man-ie offerd was "we go out together but i youre soul and the mad raving adults stays here" qnd he did it through splitting the kids from the adults in 2 zarimans one with the kids one with the adults and poped the kids out and after the new war the adult version

[@lordvitae]

For me, the Zariman is something akin to the Event Horizon from the movie of the same name.

[@FyberOptyk]

Why are Sentients weak to Void damage? Does Lotus share the same weakness? In the circuit when doing Void Flood, Teshin talks about the Void Angels Master, is this the Man in the Wall?

[@dawid34f77]

I think Zariman from AoZ is Drifter (Real) zariman Zariman from ember codex is void copy of drifter zariman to send void copies of tenno into real world When Drifter escapes from Duviri or when drifter and operator shake hands, Real Zariman shows up to lets us talk with each other and then disappear At the end of New War, Wally appearance made Zariman show up in the origin system permanently, Yonta is telling thay something punctured a wall and Zariman now plucking that hole

[@PIlotZero0]

So...Our Tenno may be a copy, while Drifter is an real one?

[@dfsgaming5170]

there is something that keeps bothering me... is there just 1 drifter? only 1 tenno? or, are there many drifters and tenno? in some moments multiple characters speak of the tenno in plural, but the story we play, its jut s1, only 1 doing everything

[@zodiacqueen1356]

So are the tenno the Sharron to the Drifter's Ulyssa Gillespie from silent hill?

[@Aecxia]

wait you can go under the ship?!

[@azazle_leviathan6669]

It's been a while since I played. The last time I did was when demos was introduced. By the gods man I've been binging your content and it's made me run back to the game. Can anyone tell me how to access the 10-0? I gotta go there 😊

[@TheDsIEGE]

You need to finish the new war and the quest you're looking for is Angels of the Zariman. Once you get that, you'll have access.

[@Joezone619]

Hmm.. a theory... What if Albrict Entrati had his run-in with the man in the wall, at the same time the zariman had its void jump? As far as i can tell, nothing in the game says he disappeared before the zariman accident.

[@DracoSafarius]

Nothing directly says it outright like "X took place before Y," but it 100% happened well before that. That was the first foray into the void, and would eventually spawn void research and the use of brief jumps into the void to quickly travel real space. You don't get to making a colony ship using well established void jumping technology unless it's far after that vein of technology is first discovered.

[@LilithLonelyHeart]

Well a bit of a weird clash of IPs but when Zarian was released I was playing a lot of Hellgate: London (an old game and the current release on Steam is a mess, but still quite fun) and just a sheer amount of parallels between drab demon scoured landscapes of Hellgate and Void corrupted Zariman have a very similar, hopeless and bleak atmosphere, just curious if anyone in DE took inspiration from this old game, also kinda made me hope Zariman would be more of a solid structure map, so still built of tilesets but not mixing and matching them so much (despite having good lore reason for it) or even just one big open map just very vertical Also when it comes to Zariman and Ember Prime's entry 1st of all there is already a lot of "cover-up" in the report cited in it there, and even in it there are a lot of contradictions, so there is a good chance it was an "official" version of events known to Orokin empire like of course Orokin wouldn't;t want to bring too much attention to their big blunder, especially when with Tenno they found a way to spin it into positive due to Tenno and Warframes saving the Empire from Sentients, also if Zariman was in as bad of a state as we find it I wouldn't be surprised if Orokin decided to leave it as is and not bothering hauling it from where it was, especially with some lines of dialogue suggesting that void rift opened by this ship is also contained mainly by it, so maybe Orokin don't want to deal with whatever would happen if they essentially unplugged it, especially considering how big of an issue it is to maintain one permanent void rift with Heart of Deimos which is also way smaller

[@srbingham]

Ever notice how your orbiter changes position when you get back from Duviri?

[@tellmeninetails5819]

Does it?

[@srbingham]

@@tellmeninetails5819 the location in the viewport changes. My starchart location usually stays the same/zoomed out.