Warhammer The Old World Battle Report | Dwarfs vs High Elves

[@Alfonzridesagain]

I like how you can tell which guy plays Dwarfs and which guy plays High Elves just by looking at them.

[@SethGreve-g1m]

True😂

[@Fellfire]

I don't precisely know what makes it so, but your batreps are some of the most FUN reps I've ever seen - you and your guests simply radiate good, honest hobby enjoyment! I watched a ton of your 6th ed. videos but I'm loving the Old World content, keep it up! 😁 PS: The High Elf army is gorgeous, I love well painted old armies and classic minis.

[@rogueelementgaming]

Thanks so much mate! Stoked you're enjoying the vids. 😁

[@elmo1234]

Charisma and enthusiasm flows through Stos's veins!!!!

[@Ads.D]

I totally agree and it's the reason why it's the only Warhammer Fantasy content that I watch 🙂 Although I'm relatively new to the channel, from what I have watched I must say the 6th edition rules seems more fun & interesting over the later Old World rules though 🤔

[@trompell0]

​@@rogueelementgamingI agree with him most battle reports are unwatchable. For some reason yours is very watchable! I don't even know how or where to direct the compliment. It's just good.

[@patgray5402]

The odds of misfiring 4 times in a row 1 to 1295

[@rogueelementgaming]

Woof

[@Jim-ed3ej]

Never tell me the odds!

[@Malrith]

Awesome armies and game! :D Love the match up. As some had mentioned the bow doesn't reroll ones, but a big change to edition was the Ballistic Skill chart, which allows you to reroll misses if you have a certain score and modifiers don't apply to the reroll. A prince at BS 7 can reroll any misses and on a 5+ they will hit. It has taken me a bit to get used that change. Elves also have Elven Reflexes and get +1 initiative on the first round of combat, so a great weapon unit wouldn't strike before them on the first round generally (though a flank charge bump in initiative would have them striking at the same time). That all being said, the amount of work and love you put into these reports shows and is appreciated! (Also the amount of rules for all the armies you play between 6th/ToW is a lot haha). I'm enjoying ToW a lot though it did take some getting used to. Cheers :)

[@MrBenedictus25]

It Always amazes me that U can Look at a Player and know what armies He Play

[@yinshaoloong2048]

I loved seeing those vintage High Elf models

[@SteveHaylor]

The only thing I would consider is having drilled on the units you want to get into combat quickly , it would allow you to move 9” (if in marching column) per turn and still be able to charge when in range, I also think smaller units eg 10/12 are more effective in this edition for elite units! Anyway great to have another old world battle report to watch , very enjoyable!

[@The_Captain40k]

Only just found your channel, loving the report so far and I really enjoy your passion and enthusiasm! I'm an Old World fanatic and it's hard to find good quality battle reports for the game, so looking forward to checking out all your other videos :)

[@Sekuda]

Been refreshing your page forever! Glad to see you're back!

[@joshuabraddy6264]

Really enjoyable report, mate! Looked like a great game. It was really nice as well hearing your opponent who has clearly played previous editions learning about the new rules of The Old World. Keep it up! Subscribed!

[@midshipman8654]

"The beard and the pointy eared" Thats a good one

[@KriegHammer]

This is bound to be a great one! The Dwarfs vs the arrogant pointy ears?? Cant wait to watch this one later tonight!!

[@Religarelachaine]

Between the injustified death of the miners and the final redirection of the masters of swords you was to kind with those pointed ears my friend. I was searching for english content about warhammer the old world and as I m a french guy I'm really happy to find you. You don't speak to fast for me to understand. You articulate and I can follow with great pleasure your jokes and description of the battle. Thank you.

[@rogueelementgaming]

Heck yeah mate, glad you enjoyed it! Welcome aboard! 😁

[@YouTubeuser6294]

Just a couple of notes on the fight between the eagle and thunderers. You do not need to have +5 US to claim flank bonus only to claim the closed order bonus. You missed the close order bonus for the thunderers so it worked out OK. However, when they did fbigo, they should have pivoted around the center of the unit and then move directly away from the center of the eagle. This would have made them form up two to three inches further away. It would not have affected the battle anyway. The cover for shooting is checked on a per model basis: some archers in a unit may not have any visibility, others partial cover, some full cover and others may shoot without any cover penalty at all.

[@mohussain4792]

Oh man, the classic 6th edition dwarf sculpts were great, even the old plastic warrior kit! Nice to see them taken out for a game of the Old World!

[@justrobin8155]

this elven army is gorgeous! i always love when someone commits to a theme

[@EntropicEcho]

Well done guys! Another fun game! You need a unit of slayers composed of ex-cannon crew very soon!

[@skheel8188]

Instant subscribe, great personalities and great content. Just found your channel and yeah. Cheers! Both factions I'm debating starting in the Old World

[@rogueelementgaming]

Hell yeah mate! Welcome aboard! 😁

[@skheel8188]

@@rogueelementgaming I can't tell you the last battle report I actually watched all the way through. I'm literally being brought to tears chuckling lol. Gotta check out all your content. I'm so excited to see who wins this fight

[@erichung4737]

41:20 Make sure to add -1 to hit using multiple shots from the bolt thrower - should have been 4s, one extra shot made it through

[@erichung4737]

Also - 1:40:10 - since the archers have earthern ramparts, your miners have to discard their highest die on the charge roll as well as -1 to movement, since it counts as difficult terrain when charged. They get the usual disrupted charge too, which means no initiative bonus. Also, if you dispel a remains in play spell, it cannot be recasted that same turn. Sorry - one more thing - as hilarious as your quad misfires were - a 2-4 on the misfire table means you cannot fire until after the end of the next round, not turn. It's pretty brutal and means you're 2 turns out of shooting with the machine :(

[@calbion9164]

@@erichung4737 low linear objects cause disruption which is no rank bonus. You’re thinking of disordered (unable to align on charge for example) which has the no I bonus from charge.

[@erichung4737]

@@calbion9164I’m pretty sure they cause both actually, since defended low linears are difficult terrain and cause disordered charges

[@calbion9164]

@@erichung4737you’re right! It’s in a completely different section of the rule book after mentioning only disrupted twice previously. Looking at the charge situation though, it looks like more of the miner unit is in the flank arc than the front arc so they wouldn’t have benefitted from the rampart as it’s front only (unit is behind a linear obstacle).

[@erichung4737]

@@calbion9164 I think in the case of normal low linear obstacles belonging to the map - facing would matter (funny enough it's pretty vague too) But in the case of the text of Earthern Ramparts, "counts as being behind a defended low linear obstacle if charged" seems to apply to any facing. I can see the lore explanation of the magic just... moving to the side, haha

[@HungryGamerReviews]

I think, I would suggest in the future if there is a misreading of the rules like it was on this one, that you just play it out like that. I was very surprised at how static the elves were this game, not my expectation. Glad to see a new video, hope things are well enough to do these more regularly again

[@CharlesCranford-y9k]

First time to the channel. Very entertaining report. Funny but not silly. Love Elves and HATE Dwarves so terrific battle. Will be back for more. Posted before the end. So hoping for an Elven win!!!!

[@robbyv101]

YES!!! Rogue Element is back!! Great Battle Report (as always)! I always love how these games are competitive without being power-gamey. Love the classic High Elf army (I am biased in this regard though). (Notwithstanding the confusion regarding the objective) that High Elf player was extremely patient; I don't know if I could've sat back that long after seeing one turn of organ gun firing (maybe the "most disappoinitng of cannon" - itself so close to redemption with that "almost flank shot" on the Silver Helms - gave him hope)! You should maybe look into investing in some hammerers (I'm finding Dwarfs struggle with output in this edition) and drilled across the army, if you plan on playing as aggressive as you were here.

[@marcela8769]

42:40 Should the Rangers not be even tougher to hit because they are skirmishers, adding another -1 modifier?

[@thomasc6684]

As always a brilliant game and report - thanks! Don’t have my book to hand for a page reference, but I’m pretty sure that you only need to match the casting value of a remains in play spell when dispelling it in future turns, rather than exceeding the casting value; the exceeding when dispelling part comes in with exceeding the casting roll when dispelling when a spell is initially cast.

[@fredrikstolt5510]

Another great battle report. Love the High Elves, and its always a treat to see two armies that dont use big monsters. Not that I mind the occasional big monster, just cool to see these old enemies work it out man to man, so to speak.

[@FrederickAbdilla]

getting into the old world. Am a dwarf army lover. really enjoyed this battle report. I will be subscribing

[@danieltaege3155]

At 1:46:20 you posted, the charging dwarfs and elves should have attacked at the same time because of both having Initiative 4. But you did it right, the elvish reflexes are +1 ini in 1st round of combat.

[@elmo1234]

Yeah! Let the battlerep binge continue!

[@WarwickKinrade]

These are great, best Bat reps on YT... always enjoy them and the enthusiasm. Thx.

[@rogueelementgaming]

Much appreciated!

[@iikkakangas2586]

for break tests you dont modify the leadership but the dice roll 😊

[@temlan7929]

Things brings me back to the good old days ! Thank you !

[@rogueelementgaming]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@tinyelvenmitten1774]

Yay, a new battle rep and with my favourite knife eary ears too, this week couldn't get any better anymore! I was seriously missing your battle reps, so I'm stoked that I got one, even if I already watched all xD Looking forward to the next one, but in a no-pressure kind of way ^-^ but man this new set throw me off the loop xD I have no idea what's going on, but then again it is relieving to see you guys don't always know what is going on either xD I should probably try and get my elven mittens on a rulebook somewhere just to try and stay on board ;;;; 6th edition rules I at least know , even if it's been 600 years since I played it

[@BentJacket]

First vid of yours I seen. Very amusing, that cannon is legendary in the worse way. Keep up the good work, was meant to be painting my pink horrors and just sat here watching.

[@rogueelementgaming]

Haha! Thanks mate, my batrep going from intended background noise to full focus is quite the compliment! 😁

[@marcela8769]

Your bat reps sre an absolute delight and very well presented! Keep up the great work. 49:23 The rune of reloading is pretty powerful. Would come in handy with my dice rolling, too😂

[@jtrain9926]

Was just looking for your latest video and hazzah! Stos, you should be attempting to dispel vortexes in your turn during the confirmation phase. You only need to beat natural casting value. Also, drilled is a must for combat blocks, not just to gain frontage but to allow you to form into a marching column and march 9"

[@ProxyHammer1]

Take an Anvil of Doom!! Would be very good with the Ironbreakers!

[@WarwickKinrade]

Missed a few missile to-hit modifiers I think, -1 multi-shot from bolt throwers, -1 at bolt thrower as skirmisher... a lot to remember. Best if both players have a quick pre-turn 1 chat and confirm they both know the victory conditions, turn count, terrain features, etc.

[@rogueelementgaming]

Definitely missed the multi-shot modifier for the bolt throwers, but shooting at war machines doesn't incur the -1 for shooting at skirmishers as all models in the unit need to be unit str 1 pg 185, and war machines have a unit str of their starting wounds pg 197.

[@ManFeelings525]

Another great battle report. Really could have gone either way except for some fickle dice. Keep it up mate, lovely to see another beautifully painted army in the High Elves. Much love

[@Bugman_XXX]

Just wondering, if everything is allright and bam - a new battle report🥳

[@dannywilliams1279]

I think with the mystical travel thing, when moving the bolt thrower, they can't move again is written like that specifically because they can shoot .. it doesn't gain the "moved" keyword, it just can't move, but can infact still shoot, otherwise like zero benefit for such a low cast chance is dumb 😅 Also, with the Skirmishers into the grudge thrower, seems unfair they can't form onto the crew!?

[@rogueelementgaming]

This was played correctly, as per the faq. Any time/ thing that picks up a model and moves it counts as having "moved." Warmachine crew essentially don't exist in game terms in TOW. They're just wound markers and don't interact with the game in any other way.

[@Suilezrof]

Such an interesting match, and such good sportsmanship at the table as always

[@foreverthesceptic7942]

Brilliant! Love High Elves - look forward to watching this!

[@ja37d-34]

That cannon though.. Time to burn it in the garden? ;) j/k of course but i once blew an Ork Trukk up with fire crackers..

[@Fluxxiss]

Love the ongoing story telling and your enthusiasm! Great one as always 😊 what are your thoughts on the Old World rules so far?

[@SethGreve-g1m]

For the algorithm gods. You deserve it

[@ThomasHoward-ro4ri]

Great video dude, loving the old world content. Get the ratmen in for one :)

[@knedoshane]

New battle report always makes my day! 😊

[@xyonblade]

I always loved high elves, but they always felt too expensive in their points for their ability to actually cause wounds when compared to dwarves, especially the thunderers vs archers, but its fun to watch this report

[@katfezza4570]

Fantastic banners on those elves. Just a great looking army overall.

[@KriegHammer]

That must be the absolute worst cannon misfire I have seen in my life... Also love the tolkien themed high elves, house of Noldor if I am not mistaken :) Keep those battle reports coming Lord Stoss!

[@The_Captain40k]

Just played against chaos dwarfs and I’m sure my opponent had weighted dice the number of direct hits he rolled! The randomness is part of what makes warhammer fantasy so fun

[@KriegHammer]

@@The_Captain40k Indeed! Always having to adapt to unexpected developments is such great fun in Warhammer!

[@FA-cf4ex]

Another battle report from Stos? Yes! No 6th edition? (Sad) yes! Happy players having fun? Resounding yes! Happy to have you back again with another lovely painted army on the show and the same energy as always. Thumbs up for the complete package! Especially the lovely arranged and painted terrain which gives another top level of flair to an already flavorful game. Would be really nice to play with you in person, but your place is sooo far away ^^ Kind regards FA

[@BuryMyHeartAtCrystalLake]

Absolute classic match-up and some slobberknocker melees. 💪💪💪💥💥💪💪💪 I wouldn't mind seeing these armies clash in another game of 6th edition sometime. 😉

[@elmo1234]

After watching a few battle reports, I think 6th Edition is better than The Old World. The rules for 6th Edition feel more approachable and have more common sense.

[@BuryMyHeartAtCrystalLake]

​@elmo1234 I agree. I have had some fine games of The Old World, but also experienced some pretty dismal rules interactions. 6th hits the sweet spot for what I love about Warhammer. If I never have to fight back to back to back lists with a nigh unkillable lord on a flying beastie, that would be just great. 🙃

[@JulienBourjault]

Good one again 😎 A hint: bolt thrower multiple shot have -1 to hit as all multiple shot 😎

[@jonathangabler8296]

Gromril Armour let's you re-roll armour saves of 1...

[@briane80]

Would like to see Snaggletooth's Orcs and Goblins vs High Elves (lots of magic. artillery and fanatics please!)

[@rogueelementgaming]

Me too!

[@miguelm6997]

I definitely missed the other HE battle report, I had awaited this grudge match so long!! Question, in HE turn 3, the eagles+ cavalry combat, shouldn’t you have fbigo instead of fleeing? You didn’t make your modified leadership, but you made your unmodified?

[@Engra_]

Possible the Dwarfs were double outnumbered?

[@xescoxsc]

Great game! But I'm upset that cannon didn't misfire last turn lol

[@tanakoskyler-thetabletopsh377]

Stoss I love your batreps man, but either you need a new Cannon crew or you need new arty dice because those are beyond cursed lol

[@Mike-er5ws]

Where did you get that playmat? I'm looking for options for my own table and the one you guys are using here looks great.

[@phillbaska]

That cannon is cursed!

[@blastvader]

In the bin with it!

[@nurki9315]

if i remember the rules correctly, the tunderers should have run to the organ gun's direction.

[@ATOMTAYLOR]

Great report, very enjoyable.

[@jacobeliasson8665]

Pretty sure you don't get to reroll 1s in shooting with "Bow of Avelorn". Its just "Ithilmar weapons" in close combat. Rella enjoy the batrep though and those retro High elves are smoking (I´m trying to acquire a similar army but im at half of this force). I lack the silver helms, spearmen, shadow warriors, swordmasters and a bolt thrower. Really love the silver helms though if i had them I´d be content for sure.

[@SuperOnion88]

Any chance we'll ever see 6th again?

[@rogueelementgaming]

Definitely mate! Just sticking with ToW for now so I can get a better grip on the rules/ ride the hype wave for a bit. 😉

[@DamBrooks]

Have you got Michael Perry working your cannon here?

[@EntropicEcho]

Ouch. :P Maybe Stoss will soon find tiny 10mm dwarf figures that the cannon crew sculpted.

[@DamBrooks]

@@EntropicEcho I sadly wasn’t there when the Perry twins were sculpting for WHFB because none of my friends were playing it because they were too obsessed with 40k and so I fell into that trap 🪤 Now I’m glad to be part of the problem of Orc and Goblin terrorising the world of old 🧌 if only I can get my army painted and get them to a dice rolling stage 🎲 🎲 🎲

[@EntropicEcho]

@@DamBrooks O&G are the best! They were my army back in the day. :D

[@the_klakier6890]

Not sure about the ruling. What's with the Elven Prince not being able to take a second magic weapon? Even if prevented from taking two such from high elf magic item list, could he have not replaced that foe blade with some common one, like ogre blade? Had the points. Unless the blunder's been made decidedly non-refundable :D

[@rogueelementgaming]

"a model can only purchase one magic item from each category." Limitations & Uniqueness pg 337. So one item from the Magic Weapons category, Magic Amour category etc. However I've just learnt this does not apply to Extremely Common Magic Items marked with an (*) So something like the Sword of Striking would be fine. The more you know!

[@the_klakier6890]

@@rogueelementgaming From the same entry, right below: "There are, of course, exceptions to this rule of uniqueness. These are magic items carried by named characters and items considered to be 'extremely common'.", The way I understand it is that you can only take one non-common magic item per category, but you can also pick extremely common ones on top. As to follow the rule from pg.338 about declaring which magic weapon the hero uses if they have more than 1, since they can only use one per 'phase'. Old World Builder seems to confirm it, leaving extremely common magic items still available after picking the common/army ones.

[@the_klakier6890]

Whoops, you beat me to it with the edit :D. Love the batreps!

[@runesmith5382]

Wspaniała gra, czekam na więcej 🍺

[@thordargreybeard]

Vanguard gyro towards shadow warriors (360 degree move), charge SWs first turn, can’t stand and shoot because you’re too close. Impact hits and attacks, dead SWs 😉

[@niceboldt7295]

Can someone tell me what the elven Lord took to shoot like this?! Its very cool, first unit that make a impact with shooting xD (I look at you cannon!) 😁😬

[@Pipewellgate]

Yes Stoss, welcome back!

[@YouTubeuser6294]

Can't wait to watch it!

[@dylan9025]

New battle report! Let's fcking goooooooooooooo!

[@LamboHJ]

Nice to see you and your Show. I think you need new Dice because they are 6th Edition Fanatics , angry about the old world. The Canon is a human One, Not a Dwarf build. The Dwarfen Rangers are interesting , the Gyrocopter versus Shooting Armies was a Kamikaze Unit. At least a Word to the Miners. nice Try, better than most of all past Battles 😅 Thanks for the good Time watching the Hobby I had no Time for

[@nikosUrrok]

love those battle reports. why dont you try more points maybe 3000 ?

[@JulienBourjault]

Hello, Nice early game, the elf could do better i think, regarding more movements and too static, also charging units with no hope of winning.. (eagle, light cavalry on rangers). But normal the game is still quite new 😎 Btw, flank charge doesn’t need strength 5 😉 for combat bonus Keep it up, love your style as in 6th 👍

[@benbiddiss336]

Reaver bow+ sword of might works as it’s a common item 😉 absolutely loved the game

[@rogueelementgaming]

Oh snap! I totally didn't absorb that bit under Extremely Common Magic Items. Good catch!

[@benbiddiss336]

@@rogueelementgaming Ive been using that combo on my prince and it's quite good 👍

[@Jimmyjazz1414]

​@@benbiddiss336you dont get +1 strength when using the bow from the sword

[@benbiddiss336]

​@@Jimmyjazz1414you've misunderstood totally my dude. In the game they rightly point out that the Elf Prince has both the Reaver Bow and the Foe Bane, 2 magic weapons. Which you cannot legally do as only ONE of each type of item may be purchased by a character. That is unless of course where common magic items are concerned. The sword of might is common denoted by the * next to it's name. As such not only can your army include multiples but a character and purchase it multiple times and alongside an item of the same category so can purchase the Reaver Bow and the sword of might together without issue. You seem to be suggesting something about adding the swords +1 strength bonus to that of the Reaver bow, which I never said or even hinted at.

[@Jimmyjazz1414]

​@@benbiddiss336oh, ok, you called it a combo thats why i thought of that, nvm 😅

[@BbBb-zx6sx]

Dice. Tray. 2 definitely cocked dice and too many dice around the table for camera shots.

[@fedfabiani]

What's the name of the gaming mat you are using?

[@rogueelementgaming]

www.tablewar.com.au/6x4-grassy-plains-2-f-a-t-mat-gaming-mat/

[@stephenmercerProductions]

The BEST cannon!

[@Stonehorn]

Heavy Armour is 5+, not 4+ (for the copter fusillade). Light is 6+, heavy 5+. Full plate 4+. Shield is +1.

[@SquidZillaPainting]

Great game! Shame about the scenario but the game is as complicated as we want it which comes with misread rules and mistakes as we learn! No to worry you gave me an amusing watch while feeding my newborn haha

[@earthstuff]

Amazing video stos.

[@93broome]

Good battle report. That eagle wouldve lost its combat against the thunderers first turn due to being outnumbered and very likely double outnumbered, meaning he wouldve very likely broken from combat ;)

[@rogueelementgaming]

Thanks mate! No combat res bonus for outnumber in this edition.

[@93broome]

​@rogueelementgaming ah I thought there was outnumber this edition my bad. Good battle reports mate and I'm so happy to see Old World content on the channel 😊

[@rogueelementgaming]

No worries mate! Glad you're enjoying it.

[@smitchy657]

Yus! Another Sexy-Stos batrep upload!

[@adriend7134]

The Eagle is also close order :-)

[@Engra_]

FAQ added a unit strength minimum to get the +1

[@marcela8769]

@@Engra_Indeed. Minimum US of 5. Great Eagle has 3.

[@TheKaneCrow]

Yeah!! Very good match!!🤘

[@Chris_da_Waaagh]

Love your content. Comment of support for the algorithm.

[@rogueelementgaming]

Legend!

[@dylan9025]

Are those the Lord of the Rings eagles??

[@oros5335]

Maybe just buy and paint a new canon and bury this one deep! ;-)

[@KiwiOddity]

Rockin the bearfeets I see, nice 1 😄👍

[@rogueelementgaming]

🦶🦶

[@CharlesCranford-y9k]

YEAHHHH!!!!! Elven Victory!!

[@microamperio]

New video! YESSSSSSSSSS

[@chrisgoodrich8987]

Your shadow warriors have long bows

[@GilthosDrakoniss]

👍👍

[@chiefchurpa5739]

Yessss stoss...up the dwarfs

[@goldendwarf149]

❤

[@pinch1loaf]

FBIGO doesn't trigger panics. It's not a break form combat.

[@marcela8769]

Not quite. Page 162 of the rulebook states that fleeing or FBIGO causes all units within 6“ to make a Panic test. Only Give Ground would not trigger Panic.

[@19firebird86]

Never trust a BFSP cannon, get a new one.

[@rogueelementgaming]

It's just the crew that are from BFSP, the cannon itself is legit. Might have to paint up some new crew though 😅

[@19firebird86]

@@rogueelementgaming Ah if it's the GW plastic one, it's cause the runes on it translate to "Boom", so destined to misfire. (Think the organ gun's translates to "Bang")

[@cuddlemuffin44]

Classic bases? What has this guy been doing since January? Bah! Dwarfs rank up so much prettier on twenty-fives. You still get a thumbs up.

[@jdmcdonald4258]

You managed to make an interesting game from an inferior set of rules cf Ed 6. Also takes a lot longer to play, but excellent models and good spirit.