Warlock Hero Talents Are INSANE! The War Within Alpha Testing and Overview

[@Rushgarroth]

Diabolist visually looks really pleasing tbh

[@The_Fictionist]

I love the pit lord animation. I love that they decided to make him big but solve the problem of “giant pit lord” by making him halfway in a portal. Super creative design work.

[@The_Fictionist]

I’m not a warlock player but I will reroll for how amazing demo diabolist looks. If blizzard needs how frequently they spawn I might instantly lose all faith in them and quit wow lol. Like tune numbers down if needed but keep the spawn rates.

[@AndrewNajash]

They have to decouple inferno and cataclysm from the same choice node in TWW. It’s such an easy change which everyone would like and it would just make the spec feel better. It’s the easiest W

[@Drakshl]

Both would have to be much weaker or rain would have to be weaker baseline is the issue

[@anormalguytrading2052]

@@Drakshl no. Destro needs a bufff. stop it.

[@Drakshl]

@@anormalguytrading2052 have you played destro on aoe? It's one of the strongest specs in the entire game, fairly consistently.

[@michaelfarnes4011]

@@DrakshlRain is a lame generic aoe anyways so

[@goosejaw2909]

Diabolist Demo looks amazing, my only small problem with it would be, I wish the Overlord would stay out, even for a few seconds, just to cleave a couple more times. It looks like he just leaps in, spanks em, and vanishes almost instantly. Not a big deal, this tree looks the coolest out of all of the Hero talents, can't wait to play it myself

[@Archtube90]

ok I've watched 30 seconds of Diabolist and I'm already 300% satisfied with Warlock until 2029

[@Beranin]

It looks good but demo needs a lot of fixes. naked tyrant is such a boring way to play rn

[@ИванЛеденёв-щ8ж]

@@Beranin to whom it's boring?

[@Beranin]

@@ИванЛеденёв-щ8ж Most warlocks? It is literally a key bullet point in the warlock feedback of how much of an issue our capstones are, especially for demo.

[@miramalverick2767]

Am i the only one here who thinks diabolist seems way cooler for destro than demo?

[@luismarquez3315]

Oooo diabolist kind of reminds me of how summoner plays in ffxiv with how your summons influence your abilities

[@rsf886]

I played healer since classic, moved to sod and hardcore and been on sod since. I really cant imagine wow wothout healing. Apart from that one time during legion when I played a lock and got hooked. Spamming UA and melting everyone, it all felt so clean. Damn I wanna hear some good things about affliction, love the idea of dots, such a good class fantasy.

[@tatigeorgete1337]

I hope affliction get some love this time :( Great video! keep up the good Warlock content!

[@qtqs747]

finally a vid with 3 hero talent test Thank you

[@fugazi8115]

As always thanks for providing insight into all the Warlock upcoming changes. Looking forward to more alpha/beta content.

[@ZomgZomg007]

Anything for Aff where something is triggered by MR, they need to add Seed of Corruption to the clause, it can be a different effect, but in keys where you do mostly Seeding, having the entire tree's empower not trigger feels awkward. Kinda like the current tier where in the ptr it was just MR but then they later added Seed of Corruption.

[@luispq7469]

As affliction enjoyer, i will love to play SH on M+ and Hellcaler in Raid settings, im getting that vibes on alpha, let's hope it survives

[@JKane_88]

This looks so damn good. Love Warlock getting some real love again

[@philosofrenzy]

Shock that the hero talent tree that *doesn't* involve Affliction is the best one. It doesn't feel like anyone on the design team enjoys Affliction; they don't seem to know what to do with it.

[@Drakshl]

One of them had to be best... affliction is in a good place. Change the tree so you can still get dread touch with the big seed damage talent, buff the spec a bit and it's golden. It's genuinely fun in ST, low target cleave, spread cleave and AoE, just a couple too many compromises.

[@DankMemes-xq2xm]

@@Drakshl It's not really in a good place though. Many aff locks dislike how many dots you have to actively keep up to make sure malefic rapture does good dmg in ST. They should make it so malefic rapture only benefits from 3 dots similar to the Oblivion pvp talent, or remove the spell altogether and bring back Legion design.

[@Drakshl]

@DankMemes-xq2xm in ST it's not really all that difficult to play affliction and keep the dots up.

[@VileVamp]

Which is funny because the blueprint to the perfect version of affliction was drawn in MoP.

[@TheBloch007]

Damnn looks insane! Hope they fix the talent trees, especially after they gutted the demo tree

[@mudmousee]

I was pretty downer on hero talents in general but it seems like they will work pretty well, impactful but not so much as borrowed power like legion or bfa. I'm excited to see where they go from here or how they build upon them in the next expacs!

[@Shub-Nagruth]

The Diabolist visual spell will be absolutely perfect for a warlock orc with the T17 myth mogset fr

[@stubbystubby]

Excited to play Diabolist/Hellcaller as a destro. They look really cool and it'll be interesting to see how both play out in the xpac.

[@DankMemes-xq2xm]

Ruination is a very awesome ability, it's what I always wanted Hand of Gul'dan to be - a hard hitting meteor. I know fire mage already has that, but I don't wanna play mage. Really hoping that it will do devastatingly high damage on Destro as it is coming from Chaos Bolt and hopefully has all the modifiers working. Imagine if the PvP talent that turns Havoc into an AoE that affects everyone will allow you to send multiple Ruinations all over a BG, raining meteors on everyone at once. Hyped. Edit: 10:52 his Ruination hit for 702k. Obviously these numbers aren't final, but yeah, I hope it does something like that. I want a Glacial Spike tier Ruination.

[@Floodsye]

"Reducing the size of the Imp Mother, Pit Lord, and Overlord models for Diabloist by 75%"...I can see it now, since they look so awesome and visual appealing right now.

[@Mostly.Malacai]

Yo, keep up the good work! I was a bit worried they will be long summons that do meh stuff for 10-20s for Diabolist. This feels and looks very good, they just spawn in, big slap, heyago a buff and im out. Splendid.

[@trojara2287]

First of all: Beard looks fire bro Then concerning wl: I actually hope for an announcement bluepost like dks got. Changing class/spec trees, lowering friction between st and aoe for aff, getting rid of rapture in favor of UA, replacing pyrogenics with cataclysm, change netherportal to a actually fun cd and make it a choice node with tyrant, get rid doom or make it actually interesting, give destro some mobility etc etc. Hero talents already seem awesome (although none of the destro ones appears to really fit destro fantasy sadly) so lets keep the hopium flowing guys :D Edit: Well...that was way faster than i expected, but im not going to complain. Thanks blizz ^^

[@Drakshl]

Why would you want rapture gone. It gives you a natural divide in spenders between St and cleave vs aoe, let's you always do a little cleave even on stacked targets, let's you do some direct damage for where that's needed, rewards you for getting your dots up and gives you some differentiation from shadow priest.

[@trojara2287]

Simply put: It doesnt feel quite right to me. How would UA as a single target spender be less divise? The assumption für rapture gone would be, that your dots become the source of your actual dmg again. As a dot class, you inherently cleave, when your dots are up on multiple targets. Right now they only feel like an enabler for rapture, which is not, what i would want from aff. The dots should be rewarding in dealing dmg themself instead of being but a means for your spender imo.

[@Drakshl]

@trojara2287 if you've ever looked at your damage breakdown, your dots DO do a lot of damage, they just don't do all of your damage, which I am absolutely fine with. Having the ability to press a button that just does damage has utility. I'm just not interested in having a knock off version of devouring plague when rapture is so much cooler design

[@DankMemes-xq2xm]

@@Drakshl Nah. DoTs should do the vast majority as they did in Legion. If you want AoE, Seed of Corruption already does that and much better than Rapture. Rapture also encourages getting every DoT ability on the tree which leads to massive button bloat, I don't think people like having to put up Siphon Life on top of all the other stuff we have, it's just too much.

[@trojara2287]

@@Drakshl Obviously dots are still a large portion of your dps. Aff is still a dot spec and almost every other dmg ability you have is a dot. Everything else would be ridiculous. Btw overlapping application of UA like in legion or bfa would also give darkglare its purpose back and be different than devouring plague.

[@markust4421]

new main next season! this looking so damn fun :) currently i heard that your party members do not see these deamons. I hope they change that.. haha

[@Ins0mn3sia]

Man, Diabolist really is the essence of a Warlock, or at least the essence of a Demonologist. So many demon friends, casts look neat, the pets look neat. Wish Infernal Bolt was a little more than just a green Shadowbolt, but like that's such a small "problem" and it's alpha.

[@KuhntaSmash]

Diabolist reminds me a lot of the re-work for Summoner in FF14, which was definitely the fun caster specc in the game imo.

[@ScottKent]

I guess it's cool that Demonologist will still look great to us, but won't crash everyone else's graphics :)

[@dotftw1]

As much as I am happy with my main looking dope going to TWW, I am also happy seeing Kalamazi excited after all those rough times.

[@alec_______]

To me it seems like they planned reworks to the specs by the look of the hero talents? Cause for affliction a hero talent is basically forcing u to take Haunt right and also the glowing animation of MR is the same when u get a crescendo proc which is kinda weird. And also Seed is not mentioned in any of the trees which is weird cause its your spender basically. Btw does the anathema dot scales with MR?

[@forcesaken]

so i have an old school mindset when it comes to destro. its not a dot class. its not a pet class. to me its like the fallen fire mage that was seeking more power designed to hit hard and blow up your enemy. Get rid of the pets, bring back grim sac. you dont need the pet, kill the pet to further empower yourself. that is more of a destro theme to me. the infernal works because it does just that, it empowers your chaos bolts. none of these hero talents really flows with what destro is, or atleast what it used to be.

[@barator03]

diabolist is the perfect mix of both demo and destro. You get a few demons that spawn(that arent even pets exept for the fire thing) - demo & the demons empower your "basic spells" to heavy hit spells like chaosbolt - destro

[@forcesaken]

@@barator03 visually it just looks more demo themed tho with all of these extra demons spawning and doing more dmg for you, like the one launching 2 chaos bolts. granted it is cool getting more chaos bolts out

[@skeletorzomg]

I was considering switching to SP but Diabolist Demo looks incredibly fun, 100% staying

[@chidy9699]

I'm really hoping to run a dot with demonology. I love demo, but having zero dots feels weird to me.

[@Paeddl]

They have to rework the talent tree a lot in TWW. For Example: if you want to play Soul harvester as AFF you need to pick Soul Rot and Haunt which takes away a lot of build variety if they stay like they are in the Talent tree. They need to give us some more baseline stuff instead of normal Spells into the talent tree.

[@maruhto3508]

a cool twist would be if fellow demon hunters actually see your diabolist demons

[@kyleganse4978]

dude diabolist does seem fantastic. I see it being top pick just from watching it. ULTIMATE DEMO fantasy epic. Lots of animations and minions spawning :D I have to almost play this. Noted I also like this for destruction because part of my lock fantasy I never enjoyed Destro as much. It felt like a dark fire mage. Seeing those demons pop with all the fire/chaos magic is fun. The hellcaller afflict looks really good to. damn this is all way cooler then I had imagined.

[@martinjp6792]

How does absolute corruption work with wither?

[@tiagopassarela]

Man, i can't wait to play diabolist

[@tylerchapman8856]

Hope they change up the class tree and do some work on the spec trees.. but things r looking sweet... not gunna lie hellcaller is disapointing to me..i mean its a cool.ability but it dont make me think hell caller...

[@Xadanar]

Does the chaos bolt cast by the overfeed cleave with havoc?

[@kene__]

love the visuals

[@bradbradshaw6082]

They need to increase the visualization time and maybe spread out its damage to balance because I wanna see that stuff out longer then 4 seconds tbh, Also hoping for a toggle to be able to see others animations of this nature for those pcs that can handle it.

[@claytoncashion6105]

Observation: Diabolic ritual counts the time you are in Demonic Art towards the next ritual so long as you summon the demon with Demonic Art. When Demonic Art goes off with 17 sec left, the next Diabolic Ritual starts at 16 sec. You get no duration reduction from the shards spent to start the ritual or summon the demon, but you lose no time from the time it takes to summon the demon. Hopefully this is intended and goes live cause it is the best way for this ability to be a constant churning of demons with zero dead time in ritual progress. Also it looks sick, can't wait for the finished pit lord visuals.

[@cimnex]

yo dawg, where can I find that t-shirt?

[@Matenkai]

dam now i gotta atleast have a demo diabolist alt the visuals look real nice!

[@talisredstar1543]

So on paper Diablolist is Demo only, but practically it fits both specs. That is actually really nice to see. Frankly I think they need to add a toggle so that people can choose to see these demons. Open world and raids for events. a bad idea, turn it off. but in raids I think it would be really fun to see.

[@thatepicwizardguy]

I'd 100% choose to see them. I was to see warlocks popping off around me lol not optimal but super cool

[@talisredstar1543]

@@thatepicwizardguy You don't even need to look at the animations just catch it in your peripheral vision to be like oh man he's having fun. I think funning diablolist will make either spec a go to for PI. the faster you can spawn those things, just means more damage. Hero and PI. OML.

[@lewisnash2155]

It would be good if havoc duplicated overfiend chaos bolts too

[@Jake_Etc]

Does ruination not spawn imps for destro?

[@VileVamp]

Wtb MoP affliction.

[@curlyhead360]

My main disappointment is that Hellcaller doesn't apply to the shadowflame effect to more of your spells.

[@guccigang9881]

Diabolist looks amazing.... wow

[@chriseggroll]

All of these seem great once the bugs are worked out, very exciting

[@antoinegautreau7139]

How's wither with ininite corruption

[@DannyG757]

Sheeeeesh 🔥

[@deepzz4056]

Hellcaller looks underwhelming sounds incredible.

[@moh3n_deniku]

They fucked up hellcaller and I'm kinda disappointed that this guy didn't mention that, it doesn't fit destruction at all and the visual effect is not there feels very underwhelming, they are marketting the whole fcking class fantasy shit and they give hellcaller a fucking dot that is not even visible on the target...

[@mxrt_s]

let's not crucify them for no spell visuals in an ALPHA lol. I agree tho neither hero talents really FIT destruction's theme but the whole point is blending two different playstyles so core class flavor is going to get muddied.

[@willowgryph]

Instant cast Wither for Destro is big big

[@ViviDwarf]

nothing more appealing to destro class fantasy than pets and dots

[@forcesaken]

i disagree, thats aff and demo, thats not what destro was ever about. its not a dot class like aff, it doesnt wither away the enemies health with dots. its not a pet class like demo, it doesnt rely on its pets to do its damage for it. its more like a fallen fire mage designed to straight up nuke things with hard hitting spells, burn them to the ground hard and fast. thats how i feel about destro anyways lol

[@keithb6344]

@@forcesaken Someone missed sarcasm day

[@Beamin439]

​@forcesaken wow wait a second I think you might be right! 😱😱😱😱😱

[@forcesaken]

@@keithb6344 i thought so but you never know with ppl on the internet lol

[@Sammysapphira]

Your opinion on destro is very limited and sounds like you only played destro in the last few years. It literally has rain of fire, and infernal. It's always had dots. Immolate has always been a singular powerful dot that ramps your st.

[@DougFM]

This all looks really insane, I'm getting hyped for the expansion and it's still 7 boring months away.

[@guldonis1155]

huge W for diabolist

[@madtjhatter]

hellcaller destro seems kinda interesting.

[@Sarki101]

Does Absolute Corruption make Wither permanent?

[@Kalamazii]

It does not :(

[@isaza5716]

I want to play Affli, but its so exhausting... to much to do, to do Damage AND look in Raidtimers or on something else...

[@tassiopbc]

One more exp affliction will be a bulls...

[@zergqueen]

i left wow for half year but i thing , have to back now for new pet on lock ;D

[@sacred.r]

I would go back to WoW just for this. My favourite class ever (Demonology)

[@brandonheuberger187]

Im still heartbroken Soulharvester wasn't a Necromancer esq flavor, huge missed opportunity IMO

[@RobertoVillaLobby]

Gonna be a lot of warlocks and no shamans if they keep it like this 😆

[@Minorheadlines]

Best warlock ever

[@Alithia451]

Did they nerf haircuts?

[@Kalamazii]

buffed them

[@cd2194]

man i need warlock reworks pls

[@nuttrubersrevenge]

Only aff

[@cd2194]

@@nuttrubersrevenge no all 3 specs suck

[@davidw.5984]

@@nuttrubersrevengeall 3 specs + class tree

[@marcelrodriguez2067]

Bring back MoP locks

[@daniiltolmachev4630]

Bring back vanilla locks

[@rodriguesmelo444]

affliction?

[@leonov7157]

I just wish I could tank again like in MOP

[@davidw.5984]

Rework warlock class and spec trees

[@Sarok-rw2ri]

LOL WHat in the Hell was that at 10:46 hits for 702.305 NON CRIT ????? 700k non crit jesus

[@Wunderkind04]

Good lord I want to play Affliction so bad, but I cannot get over Rapture. Every Warlock I've spoken to hates it like Mages used to hate Rune of Power. I genuinely cannot fathom why they force us into this terrible feeling spender.

[@krockyn3462]

Im in thr exact same boat. Aff was the only class/spec i liked but once rapture got added it killed it for me. Currently playing as shadow as atleast the spender is an actual dot.

[@BluuSkyz]

I haven't played retail since shadowlands.. I came back last month and I've played a lil of SOD which is kinda boring IMO and now I'm goofing off in wrath but I'm skeptical about coming back to retail.

[@Vivi-te5qj]

I can't go back to aff as long as malefic rapture is there lol

[@alvarogonzalez3715]

Diabolist peak

[@michaelpoulsen2862]

This sorta reminds me of FFXIV Summoner and I love it.

[@DrumRoody]

A succulent Chinese soul shard

[@aaronkeefz5815]

Demo diabloist and aff hellcaller mvp

[@ItoKun2]

seems like affliction still be shit in terms of gameplay

[@leonardceres9061]

Think it's Prounounced DiaBolist DeeAhhBolist. Guess it's just potatoe po-tat-o

[@attinger117]

I was hoping malevolence would have a cooler animation

[@바보Queen]

i love cool ass procs

[@muratkaradag3703]

when is blizzard up to rework warlock pets? they are so bad for a long time ...

[@ds8867]

thats alot of bugs lol. Kinda hard to test things huh. Makes sense since its alpha i guess?

[@TheWhiteRabbit727]

This honestly just doubles down on the Destro fantasy not being catered to at all. It looks like 2 Affliction additions and a Demonology addition, not a thing flavored for Destro. Destruction is about the WARLOCKS power, the person himself. Not the demons. Literally just look at the art for each of the specs, its pretty clear. See that elf going ham? THATS Destro.

[@vaproxia]

At what point is it just a fire mage?

[@TheWhiteRabbit727]

@@vaproxia Frankly. It is. Its a Dark/Evil/Chaos sided Mage.

[@EverydayDesigner]

I don't like that they are doubling down on malefic rupture for

[@cagatayakncturk6366]

%100 playing demo like it literally feels like u controlling bunch of demons

[@alexanderadams9008]

Yea they really dove into the class fantasy, love to see it, just need a revamped metamorphosis, either control demons or become one

[@davidw.5984]

@@alexanderadams9008 true

[@jaimexcas]

I dont care it wont be meta, Im playing Diabolist.

[@technolibra]

Nobody likes malific rapture. they need to quit with that ability

[@ventus9702]

Blizzard remove malefic rapture

[@greenstuff2805]

I'm so disappointed that MR is still in the game... Another expansion where I can't play AFF... As a long time AFF fan really sad to see Blizzard not listening to all the calls on the forums.

[@federicocapriotti2180]

really sadge indeed...

[@cd2194]

for me mr is bad but even worse is how you have to refresh 5 different dots every 15-20 sec like fuck off pls!!

[@keithb6344]

@@cd2194 Are the alternatives better? You are going to have less dots, you are going to have dots that hit like a wet noodle or you won't be able to put dots on multiple things. If they give Aff long dots that still do damage, stuff like council fights Aff would be completely broken if you could put 5 dots on everything and let them tick.

[@norwegiantacoeater9115]

@@keithb6344 Agreed, but I feel multidotting without seed should be easier somehow.

[@cd2194]

@@keithb6344 ik the alternatices are bad but i just really dont enjoy playing aff because the dots still barely does anything and the whole playpattern is keeping DT up while pooling shards for your SR VT windows And the playpattern makes it even more reliant on rng ss gain compared to demo and destro

[@michaelbrewer2411]

Diabolist summons more pets than Pack Master. Disappointed for hunters

[@alexbarcan4705]

@Kalamazi - dude you need to visit a barbershop badly

[@erclahill]

Die-ab-oh-list

[@andresarrieta1455]

Getting FFXIV Summoner vibes here

[@vincentboisvert4673]

yet the felguard is still child sized

[@echsenjackson7182]

Praise the lord

[@ZomgZomg007]

man they need more new spell icons :/