Is Teen Titans & The Batman Connected?

[@SlightlyBurntRiceCake]

Im so happy you decided to post this! Since I made a video on this too I very much support this headcanon! But you bring up good evidence against it as well. Great video!

[@WarpingFist]

Hey burnt toast. It was actually your video that pushed me to make this. Keep up the good work.

[@SlightlyBurntRiceCake]

@WarpingFist well you made my day, haha! I will do just that, good sir!

[@Gubz]

So that’s the Batman that created this demon of a Robin… 🧐

[@WarpingFist]

Yeah, both robins have equal levels of crashing out…… Hang on one damn second

[@Rav_Ram]

He has Steel SOLED boots!! A menace!

[@GLUBNOIR]

​@@WarpingFist You should make more Teen Titans related videos.

[@superheroesmadness135]

No cos it’s different universe

[@tashawnwoods1911]

Yes

[@emeraldphoenix5868]

Teen Titans is long overdue for a 6th Season but it also has the same problem as Spectacular Spider-Man that being nobody wants the Series to make a Return.

[@WarpingFist]

The ratings for Teen Titans Go are too high for them

[@VaultDwellerOG]

Teen titans honestly had a proper ending

[@Abiz4shiZ_]

It's not that nobody wants it back. For Teen Titans the issue is that Teen Titans GO is killing it w the ratings and it brings in a lot of money so at this point CN/WB/DC or whoever's in charge would see it as a financial risk to cancel GO and bring back the original. As for Spectacular Spider-Man the creator of the show has already said he'd love to bring it back, but the issue there has souley to do with legal issues bc Sony owns the rights to that show but Disney owns the TV rights to Spider-Man as a character so they'd have to do a bunch of legal mumbojumbo that takes a lot of time and money to bring it back, so it's easier for Sony and Disney to just leave it in the past and create new Spider-Man cartoons

[@SuperMJ3_333]

@@VaultDwellerOGit actually didn’t have a proper ending. In fact- it didn’t even have an ending.

[@brewmaster2912]

@@VaultDwellerOGkinda but there were still some major loose ends that needed to be tied. Such as Red X and Slade

[@Abiz4shiZ_]

Way I see it is that you're totally valid for believing it is true or not true, theres enough evidence to support that it could be true and enough evidence to support it being false and since nobody at DC, WB or even any creatives behind either show have come out to debunk or confirm the theory than at the end of the day its all about what we personally choose to believe

[@baligong3592]

There's a Reason why Robin was introduced in Season 4, and it's because they wanted to make sure there's no ties to The Batman and Teen Titans. The "evidence" that allows people to believe they're the same crumbles by literally paying attention to the Story of The Batman 2004.

[@spiderrocket8367]

How does it crumble then because if we look at The Batman as a prequel to teen titans there’s not much to contradict. Hell even Killer Moth having a human daughter can fit in with the fact that the Killer Moth in the Batman was once a human for an awhile and in that time could have had a daughter. Even Robins personality makes sense in That by Teen Titans he’s more trying to emulate his mentors way of leadership instead of his own happy go lucky personality that he started with. It’s only by hanging with the titans that they break him out of this slowly but assuredly

[@DealsFS]

@@baligong3592 The reason why Robin appears so late in the Batman is less a creative decision and more of a corporate one. Around this time DC/WB thought that if they had multiple iterations of batman characters in multiple shows and movies, that kids would get confused, so they made it so they couldn't. It's the same reason why most of batman's villains don't show up in Justice League Unlimited and why The Batman doesn't have Scarecrow and Two-Face since they were reserved for the Nolan movies.

[@baligong3592]

@@spiderrocket8367 The Killer Moth in The Batman is a Bumbling fool who worshipped The Penguin, even After becoming a Moth Mutant creature (insanely different design, one of which doesn't have Hands anymore). He doesn't even have a clear family, cause everyone sees him as a loser. TT03 Killer Moth is a version that has proven to be powerful in various ways. Being actually reliable in planning, he was no fool. His daughter means the world to him, something not even hinted in The Batman. "Even Robin's personality makes sense in that he's more trying to emulate his mentor's way of leadership" - The Batman 2004 is a kind Leader who understands his sidekick, talks to them kindly and rewards them. The most "meanest" he has been is Season 3 (before Robin even met him) and it was mainly telling Batgirl to stay in School and be safe, or else He'll call her Dad. Same Batman who taught SUPERMAN on accepting Help and Teamwork. - Robin's Character Arc in The Batman is also learning to calm down, learning to move on, becoming Happy. TT03 Robin is portrayed the opposite. Even if you say "he's not always with a Temper" he still maintains it most of the time. Often, in other series, we would've called it "character assassination" or "Character Regression" for Robin's Case. For Batman, we'd call it "character assassination" or even "mischaracterisation", if they were from the same series. Funny thing: TT03 Robin being Happy-go-lucky actually WOULD make this theory stand true, considering he had to work his way into that personality in The Batman. **This is why they don't work in the same continuity, and had people paid attention, they'd realise that**

[@baligong3592]

@@DealsFS You know all you're doing is explaining why they can't be from the same continuity, right? What happened behind the scene is the reason for the choices made in the show. The final product is a result of what happened behind the scenes. It's like thinking "the Avengers exist in the Raimiverse, we just don't see them because of licensing issues". No. They do not exist because of licensing issues. Insomniac Spider-Man has Avengers, Fantastic 4 and Dr. Strange. Why? Because they have multiple clear references that state they exist. Again, all you did was explain why they're not connected

[@MBandss]

They could literally make another season with both that batman and teen titans in one, providing a satisfying conclusion to both series as deserved.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

True, would be awesome!

[@TheSsjJoker]

I will forever stand and die on the that hill that these two shows are connected…there is way too many similarities.

[@DayyzCrazy]

💯

[@baligong3592]

I don't! All this theory does is ruin The Batman 2004's Robin Character, and to an extent, Batman himself. Those who likes the Theory didn't care for The Batman's Story, they just watched with their brains turned off.

[@TheSsjJoker]

@ how does it ruin the characters tho?

[@baligong3592]

@@TheSsjJoker Robins character arc in The Batman is learning to move on. At first he's more violent, as he lost his Parents to Tony Zucco (there's an episode about this), which is why we had the "Who's the Lackey" scene where he beats up Penguin. Batman helps him overcome this, so by the end, he's calm, he's happy, he moved on. So making this younger Robin go back to having a Temper is a Character regression if TT03 is connected. Any Falling Out between Robin & Batman from The Batman (2004) makes Robin look stupid. That Batman ALWAYS took into consideration of Batgirl and Robin's safety, and treated them well. Even made them cookies, and took precautions. Batman showed him love. If TT03 Robin had learned any leadership with Batman04, any exaggeration of Anger would not be an Exaggeration... Just a Mischaracterisation. The Batman was always kind, calm, and compassionate with comrades. It was THIS Batman that taught Superman to accept Help and Teammates. In essence, the only way this Theory works is if you didn't pay attention to the show, but you at least liked the Action. My reasonings to why this Theory is popular is cause they wanted a backstory to a Robin who never had it.

[@TheSsjJoker]

@ I get what ur saying and maybe some have that reason but I personally say it works cuz a lot of times when dick does leave Bruce it is cuz he’s frustrated by being in his shadow, I won’t lie it’s been a while since I watched both shows fully but there’s nothing wrong with liking this theory or the theory itself, yes he does go through this character arc of becoming less angry but that doesn’t mean he fully got out of it, that wouldn’t be realistic plus it’s not like TT ROBIN is pissed all the time anyway, he is a teen and teens are typically more angst than kids in all fairness

[@lucasgomez0721]

Killer Moth is the key to all of this

[@thegreatscribbles960]

Killer moth proves there not the same universe

[@KailoMarks-ow2tx]

It's likely he could've mutated further into a humanoid afterward which would possiblyexplainwhy Robin hadn't recognized him beforehand. As for his daughter, we're never told hiw old he is despite appearing to be the stereotypical theater cashier worker, college student, geek. He could've have had Kitten earlier on. Also, the fact that he specifically gets carried into both shows despite being a lesser known villain is enough evidence for me.

[@ClashMasterStudios]

@@thegreatscribbles960 Killer Moth was Created in The Batman so must have Mutataed More in Teen Titan plus his Daughter is Older

[@senior_sakuga]

The art style is 98% similar and they came out one year apart from each other and tbqh I don’t see how them being in the same continuity hurts either show when the Batman is pretty self contained all the way through till the final season

[@sekijo9629benito]

Ive been waiting for this for years now

[@henrygambles3652]

I always thought there was a connection between the two of them

[@TheSsjJoker]

Exactly, even if it ain’t official, i still believe they are

[@comicfan1324]

I feel like the answer to if The Batman & Teen Titans take place in the same universe will always be this: It can either be proven nor disproven. There are undeniable similarities, but there are definitely some points of contention. Pro same universe: 1. Robin from The Batman looks very similar to his Teen Titans counterpart 2. Fairly similar art direction. 3. We know Bruce and Dick must have a falling out at some point since Robin becomes Nightwing in the future. So it would make sense for dick to go off and form the Titans. 4. We know without a shadow of a doubt that Batman exists in the Teen Titans universe. Points against the theory: 1. It’s implied Dick doesn’t come up with the idea of the name “Nightwing” in Teen Titans until Starfire tells the group about her time, travel adventure. But in the Batman, it’s explicitly shown that he had already come up with the idea of the Nightwing persona as his video game avatar. 2. Killer moth looks very different in the Batman universe than he does in the Teen Titans show. it could definitely be a case that he mutated a second time later, but it is definitely a point of contention. 3. The few times Batman makes an appearance in the teen Titans comics he more closely resembles the vers scene in Justice League Unlimited. Notably lacking the yellow circle around the bat logo that The Batman almost always had. 4. It’s stated that Wonder Woman exists and is part of the justice league in the Teen Titans comics, despite the fact she doesn’t appear in The Batman’s version of the Justice League (though I suppose she could’ve joined later.) So I feel like for the most part it just comes down to your personal head canon is. I like to think these two universes could be one in the same, and I think most contradictions could be explained away. But I also feel like it definitely wasn’t the intention for them to be set in the same universe. The fact they flow decently well into one another is probably a coincidence.

[@jimmyrobot3170]

Were the comics canon to Teen Titans or were they their own thing?

[@atavious2491]

I think the other reason why they're not connected is simply because of the state that superhero cartoons were back in the 2000s. I think DC was experiencing some issues with character rights which is the reason why in Teen Titans, they legally couldn't even use nor mention Batman's name. I heard somewhere that the TV rights for showing Batman in any live action is not possible for TV because of something still currently going with Disney or FOX after the Adam West series ended. But Teen Titans I think was just meant to be a spin-off separate from the DCAU. The Batman (2004) came after. The Teen Titans 'Go' comic I don't feel like it is canon because of how the writers and stories feel somewhat out of place from the vibe of the actual show. It could've really just been another spin-off or side story thing that really isn't supposed to be taken that seriously that it's not supposed to be canon. Personally, I would want to think that maybe the original writers might've had a whole new story they wanted to explore with 2003 Robin from that show. So I don't consider it to be canon with Batman 2004 for the sake of hearing another and better origin to who Robin really is in the 2003 Teen Titans. Also, I don't think Mothman got remutated. That sounds ridiculous to me as his character design is completely different and doesn't look like he could be a mutant.

[@AussieDragoon]

The Wonder Woman thing isn't that big a deal, we see both Batman and Superman join the league in the Batman series itself, where it's established it existed before Batman knew about it, so Wonder Woman easily could have joined sometime between the End of the Batman, but before Robin left for Jump city, like you said. The Nightwing one also isn't that big a deal, since the episode ends on him going "So, Nightwing, huh?", but we never see a follow through with it, so its just as possible that he's interested in the fact that he becomes Nightwing BECAUSE it's his video game persona and he likes that it wound up being cool as it is that this is the first time he's heard about it.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@comicfan1324 Wonder Woman was in earlier plans to join, but they couldn't use her because of rights issues. So there were definitely intentions to have her. Makes sense for her to join a little later.

[@mayonnaise3959]

In the comics that Batman looks VERY similar to the Batman

[@SilhouettedAnimator]

TBH I think the Legion of Superheroes cartoon could fit in this universe too.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Yes!

[@FrostTheHobidon]

Me too

[@mr.dystopian5554]

I question about it, since Sups talks about Batman being hesitate to join the Justice League acting as bit of a loner. But that contrasts greatly with the 2 parter of season 5, when Barman fought Superman. Batman eventually convinces Sups to join the League, counter to what he told the Legion in season 2.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@mr.dystopian5554 I actually think you can make a case for it. At the end of the 2 parter finale of Season 4 of the Batman, Batman reveals that he knew about them but never even approached them about joining. He mentions he wondered when they would approach him. I definitely think it makes sense for Clark to come to the conclusion that Batman was hesitant when joining if they mentioned this to him.

[@dallaskinard3143]

I've believed this for years now. They all fit very well together in look and tone.

[@GaZum22]

What you just played in the beginning was a commercial I saw as a kid and since then I saw that Batman as the Teen Titans Batman.

[@mayonnaise3959]

I honestly doubt that Robin and the Batman Bruce had a falling out. Robin still describes Batman with respect as he literally calls him the best and his father. It was more likely mutual

[@guythatexists1135]

5:02 I mean,in the comic it was Beast Boy's daydream,and the shorts are non-canon,so they can pass

[@jakeproven256]

The teen titans go comics at times contradicts with the show’s continuity. A lot of comics that tie-in to superhero shows do. I mean every single comic series that ties into the DCAU contradicts the shows. So much so that it really aggravates me when DCAU fans try to bring them into DCAU continuity, when Bruce timm himself considers the comics non-cannon.

[@WarpingFist]

Right, in general I never bother with the canon of comics tie-ins

[@pixman2581]

I think the reason of why people use teen titans go comics, because the latter issues of that was basically a season 6, where they introduced new characters (like Ravager) and Titans become more bigger. So it's not suprisingly that people latched to that Batman cameo.

[@jakeproven256]

@ right.

[@Stickfigure-ly7gf]

9:25 Batman: "That a boy."

[@heartbeatcity23]

Dont Forget Legions Of Superheroes is also considered part of this universe also as a prequel for the batmans version of superman

[@no.1spidey-fan182]

It's WHAT!?💀 I swore it was tied to the DCAU as some sort of DISTANT future timeline even far after beyond

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Yes! Love that show.

[@WarpingFist]

I lied

[@henrygambles3652]

Lol

[@AaronPablos-ll3vk]

About what?

[@ak-t7d6f]

​@@AaronPablos-ll3vk about cancelling this video

[@AaronPablos-ll3vk]

@@ak-t7d6f there might be a chance that in between The Batman & Teen Titans,Killer Moth tried to make a genetic-altering device or an antidote that would make him closer to his human form.Also,him being human before would explain why he has a human daughter.

[@revalier3670]

I would love to see these two running the hands considering TT Robin is a Super Soldier One Man Army. Strong enough to send a super powerful alien flying towards a car AND break his weapon after impact. Fast enough to take out all of Slades men before the Titans can....and he took out the Titans. The Batman on the other hand took out Dracula LOL

[@jujiangel4695]

A crossover, I would love to see even more for Batman to throw down with Slade, showing him not to mess with his boy and the Titans

[@FrostTheHobidon]

I agree, but I disagree that this version of Robin would leave on bad terms with The Batman. This version of The Batman acknowledges the value of teamwork and is proud of his Robin. I guess people love the idea of Batman and Robin leaving on bad terms ever since Batman the animated series where Dick hates Bruce thinking he manipulated Barbara to be Batgirl.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I don't it would be some grand falling out, but more that Robin wanted to prove himself on his own. Be treated less like a kid.

[@Dgsworld0]

3:59 why is bro watching Robin makeout with Starfire tho?

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Because he's Batman

[@TheBlueBaron]

If I had a son, and saw him finally get with the girl he liked, I’d probably be watching and smiling proudly too.

[@ArcTrooper269]

There's also the fact that Teent Titans appear in the last episode of The Batman on the watchtower, when Dick still is a child & Batgirl was a founder member of them, & well, in TT the Teen Titans were founded until Dick was already Teen & Barbara is nowhere to seen

[@superheroesmadness135]

No they don’t

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

It does match up

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

That’s like saying Spectacular Spider-Man, Wolverine & the X-Men, and Avengers Earth’s Mightiest Heroes are in the same universe, all because they’re liked by Marvel fans, and Steve Blum & Fred Tataschoire being in a Marvel project equals shared universe, apparently.

[@skinnyweenie8679]

Not only that but there’s people who seriously think Fantastic Four: World’s Greatest Heroes is also part of that universe even though it isn’t. Same with Spectacular Spider-Man. Also, Drake Bell sucks.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

I know right. If they’re just going by the assumptions that because those shows were written by the same producers, then Spectacular Spider-Man shouldn’t be there as it was done by a completely different team under Sony, while Earth’s Mightiest Heroes and the X-Men series were handled by Marvel. And if it’s because of the actors, then by that logic, then every marvel game featuring Steve Blum and Fred Tataschoire as Wolverine and the Hulk are canon to the “Yostverse”.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

They're considered to be in the same universe because of the link through the creator of these shows Chris Yost. He confirmed they take place in the same universe. Though he did admit that if Avengers: EMH had continued, the Xmen would've stayed further from Wolervine and the Xmen continuity. So at the very least each similar events that took place in each separate show also happened in Avengers: Earth's mightiest heroes.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp then the timeline doesn’t add up. Where were the Avengers during Wolverine & the X-Men, wouldn’t Nick Fury know Hulk’s one of the good guys considering he’s one of the Avengers? And wouldn’t the other Marvel heroes show up during the future of Wolverine & the X-Men.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@ShockwaveFPSStudios No, Wolverine and the Xmen happens mostly before Avengers: EMH. And then a few episodes happen at the same time as Avengers: EMH.

[@Joe_Kerr_9797]

I always feel like both shows were in the same universe.

[@Pack52022]

My favorite parts of this of this connection is the possibility of batman reacting robin when he lashed out at everyone and was going crazy because of slade, or robin being a leader to his own team who also was red x at one point

[@baileywalker2478]

I have a theory that Scorn (The Batman) is Red X (Teen Titans)

[@WarpingFist]

How’s that possible?

[@baileywalker2478]

@@WarpingFist I have a essay wrote on my school one drive but I can’t access it anymore because I graduated from School

[@WarpingFist]

@@baileywalker2478 dang, I to have some stuff that was only present in my school account i wish I kept.

[@baileywalker2478]

@ Same

[@baileywalker2478]

@@WarpingFist Hello

[@nightwing1491]

You forgot to also mention that (Dick Grayson) Robin from Teen Titans has a much larger utility of gadgets and weapons then the (Dick Grayson) Robin from The Batman show

[@2thouxanbans]

That comes with being on your own tho

[@nightwing1491]

@@2thouxanbans Not really, and I put that out there because Teen Titans Robin has a lot of gadgets and weapons compared to the Robin from the Batman show

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

​@@nightwing1491but he could've just learned how to make all sorts of weapons from Batman, and then also create stuff on his own

[@nightwing1491]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp True but they are still drastically different.

[@Sonicfan2000-j9q]

I would like them to be connected I will say when it comes to killer moth I actually believe that his mutation evolved over time but yeah after hearing everything yeah it's unlikely that these two shows were meant to be connected

[@The_Infamous_Boogyman]

3:28 sounds like u said 'tied the shoes together' 😊

[@brandonspain12345]

Metaphorically they tie together like shoes. 🤯

[@Stickfigure-ly7gf]

2:07 Teen Titans has Derrick J. Wyatt as an art director, and The Batman has Jeff Matsuda as an art director.

[@GLUBNOIR]

I personally don't think these two shows are connected, but it's definitely an interesting topic to discuss.

[@justsomeguywhoseverywhere6748]

They're the only Robins onscreen that use those toyish weapons. The Killer Moth and Nightwing designs can be overlooked. Look at Batman in the DCAU,he changed suits alot and characters changed

[@eugenekubak7857]

Wish they remade the two shows where they connect dick leaving batman and becoming the leader of teen titans.

[@no.1spidey-fan182]

I lost how Robin is just all of a sudden TRENDING on social media because of that DIABOLICAL KNEE DROP😂

[@zacwhite4470]

This theory always drove me nuts. I absolutely hate when anyone tries to pretend like there’s proof it’s true.

[@MarcusRippedEmOff]

So glad you didn’t scrap this video!

[@dallaskinard3143]

I think Rumor from The Batman is Slade!

[@MohsanPeerzada]

Continue The early marketing series

[@righteousrawb7225]

Thank you

[@francoperalta5986]

More evidence for TT and TB being the same continuity is that both Robins use red and yellow color coded gadgets like the batterangs and explosives. Both are a motorbike called the R cycle which BTAS Dick Grayson never used. Yes both differ looks wise in both shows but give or take a few years modifications come about. Also regarding the comic where beast boy was in the DCAU justice league. That was a fantasy tale and those versions in particular were an easter egg. Regarding killer Moth being designed differently. TAS and BTAS villains were designed differently too, nobody questions them being in the same universe. Also its a mutant moth, you could explain away change over time. Lastly regarding the comics. They keep the show in mind but not the other way around. Meaning they're canon is very loose.

[@lucaslongolucasksenha7827]

In your opinion the Jason Todd and Red X are the same person???? (Like both of them have the anger issues and are anti hero, keep in mind is that before Jason Todd becoming Red Hood from 2000s era), also I would like to see Teen Titans 2003 having a proper ending where Cyborg reveals to his team that hes joining Justice League and that Dick Grayson quits Robin mantle that he is not a Batman sidekick anymore revealing his new identity called Nightwing (We already know that he is Nightwing but keep in mind that time the Teen Titans doesnt have idea who Nightwing is, when Robin decide to quit his Robin mantle [like in 80s as example since unfortanely they doesnt like to finish some of the Dc animations in general like Superman Animated series, Green Lantern Show, Batman Beyond Show and some others animation])

[@DanielRuva]

Great video dude

[@SethLyons-wc3wd]

Have you got the Sonic movie history?

[@WarpingFist]

Nah, but i’d like to

[@atavious2491]

I don't think the Teen Titans go comic is even supposed to be canon to the show but just a funny side-story that depicts the 2003 Teen Titans in more comical manner before the actual TTG series in 2013.

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

After that Teen Titans stayed on Cartoon Network over Kids WB 😊

[@redlinrangerstudio5331]

0:06 I hEaRd u gOoD bruh!

[@DaniG._.German]

You're the second youtuber, I know of, who talked about this.

[@phom975]

more headcannon, yaaay!

[@sekijo9629benito]

Yeeeas

[@baligong3592]

I hate this theory, because the foundation of the theory is based on: - Absolutely wrecking the Character Progression Robin went through. The "who's the lackey now" scene is because he's new, his grievance was fresh, overtime he learns to calm down and be happy. - Any Falling Out between Robin & Batman from The Batman (2004) makes Robin look stupid. That Batman ALWAYS took into consideration of Batgirl and Robin's safety, and treated them well. Even made them cookies, and took precautions. - If TT03 Robin had learned any leadership with Batman04, any exaggeration of Anger would not be an Exaggeration... Just a Mischaracterisation. The Batman was always kind, calm, and compassionate with comrades. It was THIS Batman that taught Superman to accept Help and Teammates. Some things people say about the show, as "evidence" that they're the same continuity is off too! - "The Batman in the comic looks like The Batman from the 2004 series!" No, it doesn't. He looks a lot more like the young justice version. He doesn't even have the iconic Blue Highlights that runs down his eye. That's Young Justice Batman if anything, and that still wouldn't make sense. - "The Robin from TT03 has a Similar design to TB04!" TT03 is a DOWNGRADE to TB04! It's a Robin Suit, of course they look similar! But TB04 Had robin wearing a LONG SPLIT Cape that shapes like a Bird's Wing when he glides. This version of Robin doesn't wear Boots. One has a natural Widows Peak hairline, the other basically balding Vegeta-style. - "The producer behind TT03 Was also in TB04!" So was Sam Register in everything!!! 😭😭 I am not making a Dig on the Video Creator, but this is just a thing everyone has been saying often lately. It makes no sense! It's like saying "SM:TAS is the Same continuity as Spectacular!", No. All this theory does is ruin Robin's Arc in The Batman in favour of a Robin people wished to see a Backstory of. I wish more people did Counterarguments, cause that's definitely needed in Comic Fandom.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Not necessarily. Robin could've just left because he wanted to prove himself as a hero. If he got tired of being seen as Batman's "lackey" or sidekick, then it would make sense for him to leave to do his own thing. Doesn't mean he hates Batman. Robin would've definitely learned obsessing over the mission to such extreme degrees, even The Batman did that. So, not necessarily anger, but more obsession. The Batman wanted to do some things on his own because he didn't want to put Robin and Batgirl in harms way. Robin acts much the same. Obsessing with the mission, and really caring about his the wellbeing of his friends.

[@baligong3592]

@ Someone brought this up to me in a different comment, almost word-for-word, I believe... But I will say: if you have to fill in enough blanks for an existing character, you'll end up doing the writer's job. At some point, it's no longer a Theory, it's just a rewrite. **To your second paragraph** Perhaps it may be nice if Robin did that, but the way he shows it is insane, not even The Batman has ever gone close to the length he's done. Hell, even the way The Batman expresses is merely concerned at best. Robin from TT03 might as well be malding at least. It's so much so, His own teammates thought he's going to blow up on them for wearing his outfit, not realising, he, at this point, was learning to calm down. Side-Note: TT03 suit is such a downgrade to TB04 suit for Robin. I like that TB04 suit works a lot closer to Batman, where the cape reassembles wings, and it's long enough for him to cover his body. Conclusion: They're not the same. 2 different universes that has different stories, and for Robin to go back to what he was removes all progress Batman did to make him who he is. I feel like people who strongly desires TT03 Robin to be the same is because they just want more content, so like a starving person, they started eating anything they can find just for survival. ------- It's funny though, because the same people wanting TT03 Robin to be also TB04 Robin might also be the same ones who thinks Snyderverse ruins Batman, when there's In-Universe lore why Batman is the way he is. How ironic.

[@bluekinghtbeyond]

To give you my quick answer since I'm planning on making a video about this subject. My answer is no there not connected.

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

There not in the same universe people 😅

[@connorharnage6697]

We don't know that, nor do we care. It's fun to theorize

[@theduderolls]

Legion of Superheroes Superman is the same from The Batman.

[@PrettyboyAshtun]

damn i miss when they took teen titans seriously

[@mrinalpatel6830]

i think they connected due to artstyle

[@theduderolls]

W

[@redblue4127]

7:41 Tbh the vision was literally just Tim Drake lol

[@guywithrevolver]

Seperated at birth fr

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@chiranjeevsaikia560]

I guess its similar to how Spectacular is canon to EMH and Wolverine and The X-Men

[@justinarzola4584]

Spectacular actually isn't canon officially to EMH or Wolverine and the X-Men, Spectacular is in Earth 26496 and EMH/ Wolverine and The X men is in Earth 8096.

[@connorharnage6697]

⁠@@justinarzola4584Yes but it's a fun theory just like this. Also I'd honestly say, screw that. Earth designations are contrived bs that makes no sense. At least with DC, people don't have to do a Google search to remember which earth is which

[@justinarzola4584]

​@@connorharnage6697I find Earth designations very useful and it makes it easier to tell what is or isn't canon to a specific universe, I guess for those who like to theorize it can be annoying but oh well.

[@brandonspain12345]

"I already have a father..." 🥹

[@BebopBandicoot777]

Oh my god, that ending, perfect editing.🥲 Goddamit, why didn't they just do it for god's sake.