Challenger MBTs / War Thunder

During the second half of the 20th century, the UK was one of the main players of the global arms industry. From 1971 onwards, the country sold several hundred Chieftain MBTs to Iran, and in 1974 the British secured a contract to supply Iran with even a more advanced combat vehicle.
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[@angrydoggo2232]

Glad to hear that Bruce is feeling better!

[@datankz2498]

I think this was recorded beforehand

[@filipgutehall7925]

I think this was before he got sick. As he said there were 2 challys in the game, but since the last update there has been 3

[@datankz2498]

@@filipgutehall7925 He included the TES and the normal challenger 2, the TES being the newest addition.

[@ThatOneGuy46696]

@@filipgutehall7925 he was referring to the 2 models of challenger, the Challenger 1 and Challenger 2. The statement didn't comment on the numerous subvariants of each model.

[@BeceCMB]

Challenger Tanks are why I started playing war thunder. The design is exceptional, saying as a German who sees leopards nearly every week. Now I have them all, but the British guys are not much loved by gaijin 😂😂

[@FlowDeBandoler0]

brits are not loved by anyone.

[@russell33313]

THEY ARE AWESOME

[@matthewdyson2464]

@@FlowDeBandoler0 big facts

[@trevor7873]

yea I love the tanks but they are not the greatest sadly

[@tanner1111]

@@FlowDeBandoler0 Awww such a shame... you should of learned French instead then mate.

[@Am-ugly_af1]

Moment of silence for our brave challenger commander

[@joskethegreat4154]

And dont forget our Frenchie commander!

[@devil5cry]

F

[@samhyman3246]

Me on my way to release classified documents so I can prove that my favorite tank is not accurate in a game.

[@davidmartin4812]

You got the grindset

[@riccardomariani9648]

Sigma male rule 143: "No document is classified enough if it proves your point"

[@TWM12]

fun fact the challenger 2 we have in game is the chally 2 E the export variant, also it would be nice if gaijin stopped nerfing them before release, for example on the 2F it had additional frontal composite that protected against DM33 on the LFP, though it was removed before the update went live for some unknown reason, they phantom nerfed the ammo bins from 200mm to 50 then to 5mm, 3 stage ammo should not detonate when hit unless it hits a hesh round, if a charge is hit then it will burn in the ammo box safely, only HESH would detonate, an example of this was when a friendly challenger 2 destroyed another in Iraq, the charges and HESH in the dumps where completely salvageable. the ammo count is wrong, they carry 47 rounds IRL it even says it on the MOD website but gaijin cant get this right even lol, i don't want a realistic game, i just want one that's fair and balanced and where the UK isn't shafted every bloody update or gets a FIX like the STORMER which fucked it even more

[@HIFLY01]

Fair and balanced for a nation not Soviet or Germany? Not possible

[@HJDore]

Challenger 2e (export) with its SAGEM CITV and 1500hp Europowerpack would be a nice addition to the British tech tree. Couple of corrections however. Firstly whilst the MOD started looking for challenger’s replacement in ‘87 the British army had plans to run a mixed heavy armour fleet of challenger 2’s, challengers and even chieftains well into the 90’s and as such challenger 1 gun tanks weren’t sold off to Jordan until 2001, the mk3’s they received didn’t come with the additional armour packages either. Secondly the theatre entry standard (TES) specification was put together in 2008 replacing the Dorchester 2E armour packs and ERA with 2F standard armour packs and a RWS when it became apparent the British army’s challenger 2’s would be involved with fighting the insurgency war in Iraq, TES was later updated in the mid 2010’s to replace the 2F standard with 2H add on armour as well as the Saab barracuda thermal obscuration camouflage. I also suspect this video was put together a while ago since the vehicle set to replace challenger 2 has been chosen as challenger 3.

[@TWM12]

challenger 2E is what we currently have ingame actually due to gaijin being odd, though it has a mesh of chally 2 and 2E specs

[@HJDore]

@@TWM12 yes but the challenger 2E in game isn’t the export variant and instead gaijin used the British army system for Dorchester armour evolution to distinguish the upgrade from the base vehicle. The 2E references the level of Dorchester protection in the add on armour packs, for example the operational entry standard (incorrectly named as TES in game) uses Dorchester 2H. Challenger 2e is the export gun tank which utilized improved SAGEM gunner and commander thermal optics as well as the 1500hp europowerpack and replaced the loaders GPMG with the .50 caliber M2.

[@mutazalmatani162]

is this the challenger 2 variant that serves in oman?

[@HJDore]

@@mutazalmatani162 no. Challenger 2e did compete at the Greek tank trails at the end of the 90’s but never saw any sales. The variant that the Royal army of Oman operates is named challenger 2 Oman which differs from challenger 2 in that it uses full length baz plates, the whole drive system (sprocket, roadwheels, tracks and return rollers) and suspension (gen 1 hydrogas) are off challenger 1. CR2 Oman also uses the CV12-8a and T2 cooling system.

[@causingknight8671]

I like tanks...sorry I just wanted to feel included in this conversation lol

[@WhackingJam]

If the A-10 is just a gun with wings.. The Chally is a Teapot with tracks.

[@theScottishKoala]

Correction: Cpt. Tim Purbrick's tank did indeed score a 4,700m kill, but that record was beaten a mere day later by a Scots DG tank scoring a 5,110m kill. (This is why you hear conflicting reports on the actual range of the kill, but in fact both claims are correct). I've chatted to both the gunner of the tank; Mike Smith, and the loader; Colin McKerrel, as well as the gunner of of the squadron commander's tank; Brian Strachan about this. The tank was D-squadron 11B. Tim Purbrick's tank was part of the Queen's Royal Irish Hussars, there was always a rivalry between them and the SDG

[@tanner1111]

But what about the one true battle of the ages between the Irish and the Scottish, about the word ''Wee'' and who its truly native too?... Them Wee lil T-64's sure got smacked about at range ehhh ehh???

[@meme_thunder]

Not only is this not true but you had no reason to say it. I get you want to make Scotland look good but the 4,700 kill makes it look good anyway as it's a British tank, with a British crew, and Scotland is in the UK.

[@theScottishKoala]

@@meme_thunder It is true, I can promise you that. The Challenger's record breaking kill is 5,110m, not 4,700m

[@meme_thunder]

@@theScottishKoala Hm, just googled it, seems a bit dodgy, I'll take your word for it.

[@theScottishKoala]

@@meme_thunder unfortunately Gaijins channel settings mean I can’t post links, but I can verify all this. Might make a video about it over on the Armor Cast channel

[@itz_chieftain976]

I'm iranian and i should say that our tank commanders were satisfy from chieftain in Iran-Iraq war(gun power,precision)were tough and affected on iranian progress in battlefield,i play Britain and i love the chiftain and challengers. Thank u DOOROD BAR TO(Hello to you bruce)from Iran ;)

[@bigboiz-saigon9348]

Welcome back, Bruce. Quick recovery you had. Not like me, i spent a month in the hospital.

[@Cedrickfly]

Gotta get that Bruce level reactive Armour

[@handofpringels62]

i think that was recorded beforehand

[@mx24v41]

As an Iranian it’s interesting knowing these things also shir or شیر means lion in Persian so that another fact

[@paulsilva3346]

GOOD TO HEAR BRUCE.! God Bless you Sir. AND MERRY CHRISTMAS.!

[@OPPSIJUSTKILLEDU]

Ah yes the challenger 2 tanks which the dev team have taken massive liberties with and thrown out on any common sense when it’s comes to implementation of them in game. With pretty every value regarding armour and the capability of its ammo completely guessed.

[@louisdebenham6337]

Because the actual armour values are classified 🤣

[@sturmgeschutze3070]

@@louisdebenham6337 And the 2A6’s and T-80BVM’s aren’t?

[@s.31.l50]

@@louisdebenham6337 there’s literally a photograph showing the mantlet being at least 200mm of steel, not 30mm.

[@cool_jaz]

Always love these historical videos you guys make!

[@Idkplayerfan]

Glad that my man Bruce is doing well

[@hunterhraje6621]

Jesus Kristus Thank you gajin, i mean this seriously, you changed the gun firing sound, and i absolutly love it, in fact i love it so much, that i have to write this comment in hopes, that devs will see this and be proud of doing a good job with the sound, its like a chrismas gift for me, i wasnt really happy about how the 120mm guns sounded, but now its amazing thank you :D

[@StarstreakHVM]

?

[@OscaRome017]

Good to hear you are alright bruce. Cheers!

[@FlyingOstridge]

Finally a British video

[@murci981]

bloody briliant m8

[@DiNo_006]

REEE Gaijin didnt talk about the challenger from the 1940s !!!

[@davidmartin4812]

Disgraceful

[@Combatwombat-sn7ng]

The challengers are fantastic IRL but they just don't fit war thunder meta unfortunately

[@tactical_snails2198]

We need bigger maps for modern tanks with different objectives haveing everyone spread out a lot more would help with the rushing problems and allow slower game play

[@ricostreit1080]

@@tactical_snails2198 srsly... The weakspot in the game is too big...it doesnt matter... Chally has the underhand at 11.0 ...

[@wirb3859]

@@tactical_snails2198 unfortunately that would mean spending minutes only to be one shot and then spend even more time driving. The majority of the player base prefers fast action gameplay

[@tactical_snails2198]

I like the point everyone has brought up but having more spawn points instead of having 2 at each corner like 2 closer to the centre or being able to spawn on your team mates or near them could help

[@__takkhal__969]

well actually as a iranian i have to say we really had hard time with chieftains and the Shir1 (lion1) could really be better for us because of the geography of our country ... but its sad we never get them 😢 but i played with em a lot in the game and i love em all they are the best 😍 also we love u bruce from iran your sound is the only thing i love to hear every week 😂❤️

[@alphanomad511]

Love from the us

[@soroushshirin3364]

Absolutely 🤣👌🏻

[@samanaj3864]

Ajab😂😂

[@__takkhal__969]

@@samanaj3864 ajabo koft noob 😂❤️

[@samanaj3864]

@@__takkhal__969 😂🤣

[@chiello436]

Am i the only one who doesn't use the Dorchesterpack for the challenger 2 because it looks better? Even without it, the fuel tanks in the sides could still bounce or even ate enemy projectiles

[@CprlTeaman]

You’re not alone dude

[@chiello436]

@@CprlTeaman you are one based person

[@CprlTeaman]

@@chiello436 I n n d e e d

[@okand1921]

I thought I am the only guy like that lmao

[@CisterJr]

I am glad to hear that Brazilian Osório was remembered

[@cyanoticspore6785]

I started playing again the other because I wanted to try to grind to the chally 2. After a while (I unlocked 1 whole tank) I was reminded of the pain of the grind and uninstalled. We'll see how long that lasts.

[@thecommissarshatisonfirege4193]

We despise weakness. Hardship forges worriers! IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT!

[@cyanoticspore6785]

@Leplivo yep. I refuse to spend a penny on the game, which means my experience is normally pretty miserable. But Gaijins gonna Gaijin :/

[@DannyHeywood]

Glad you are better now.

[@user-ur1uh1oz3e]

The coffee table on top is great 👍

[@thedestroyernorth1836]

Yes! seems Bruce is ok now :)

[@IanAwfuls]

The tracks on Challanger 2 TES are still bugged. Just look at the mudflaps at 5:41, how the textures of the tracks are literally going through them.

[@itzz_mitch7191]

Bro it’s just a game it’s not even that noticeable in game

[@majorborngusfluunduch8694]

@@itzz_mitch7191 People like you are the reason gaming is a shell of what it used to be.

[@FuriousFire898]

The Challenger 2 is such a good looking and good tank amazing Ive only got Challenger DS but i cant wait for the day i get Challenger 2

[@pilot_xoan]

I had just realised they advanced the Challenguer 2 OES at the end of this video 2 years ago :()

[@mab2187]

We should get a Unity tech tree where you add all the minor nations or add them as minor tech lines... Iran could be added in either way.

[@adolfknitler1289]

@Александар Пецић central europen tech tree with yugoslavia, poland, czechoslovakia seems like a better idea. some hungarian and romanian tanks could be added aswell.

[@ilikeraccoons2255]

Yay, Bruce is back

[@fuze7716]

He sounds a lot better. Great

[@MechaG2]

Fascinating. Love these kind of videos. 👍

[@peterstrachan696]

The challenger is personally my favourite tank in the game, not just because of its statistics but because it is in my opinion just a fun tank to play. I will play a leopard as it is technically better, but I just enjoy playing all challengers. My favourite is probably the challenger 2F or the black night.

[@ndturtle5538]

i'm considering grinding the british, how long did it take you?

[@sturmgeschutze3070]

@@ndturtle5538 If it says anything I just got the challenger 2 2F, I joined in 2014.

[@juliopedrogasparetovigollo706]

Challenger 3 confirmed

[@tomsnow5610]

gaijin pls add realistic sound for chally pls hehe

[@perezpayeet845]

I hope you are doing better Bruce See you soon!

[@Keckodrom]

We will prefer an update, which brings us researchable camo nets for the toptier tanks like the Army's worldwide still uses for years. That is still missin in the game.

[@entry1258]

Bruce is back!

[@asiftalpur3758]

Update on Bruce? Edit: this narration may have been prerecorded so I just want to know how he's doing

[@camworthy3745]

He did say he was recovering well in an update from a text message:)

[@Khomuna]

Me when I hear Brazil mentioned in War Thunder: :3 To think the Osório performed better than the Abrams in Saudi Arabia trials and still didn't get the contract. Sad Brazilian noises.. :(

[@dabraz]

4:21 Whait the brazilian tank IS the Osório?

[@Dan86130]

I don't know when was this recorded, but i sure hope Bruce is fine and recovering

[@cordellej]

charlie 1 not only has the longest kill but it set the record then the next day extended that record

[@dingleberrymcbootycrackIII]

Grinded the British tech tree. Im now rank 4. Ppl say top tier british is bad. But this made me feel confident

[@abstract7452]

Yeah I've kinda got a soft spot for brit rank 4 love the fv4005 and eland to bits, though if you're gonna keep grinding the tree try and pick up the centurion mk5/1 these holidays it will help you tremendously with the grind and low repair cost.

[@marshalzhukov4782]

Merry Christmas Bruce hope you're doin well

[@TexasWarbird]

Good luck grinding the UK tech tree. I hear it's up there with being one of the most frustrating nations to grind.

[@backbrid4leffend457]

For me it was the US tree

[@k1lsh4w71]

iv managed to grind up to the first chally 2 without any premium ever, but lets ignore how long that took

[@backbrid4leffend457]

@@k1lsh4w71 x2 with the American one. I had more fun in the Italian m4 then the American one.

[@justsomemustachewithoutaguy-]

@@backbrid4leffend457 prolly cause most vehicles in the american tech tree arent very good for aggressive playstyles (aside from their aircraft). Most of them are kinda better off for support or flanking maneuvers... which makes sense since most american tanks are meant to support infantry and the american tank destroyers and anti air are made to support heavier vehicles. Of coarse top teir american vehicles completely ignore this stereotype and are more effective at being aggressive but pretty much most low to mid teir american vehicles are better of at supporting aside from some acceptions ofcoarse like the jumbo and the easy 8 sherman.

[@HIFLY01]

@@demonkillerr soviets are super easy bro. Lots of big guns with explosive filler and great armor for their rank

[@amirrezachehrehara8275]

Plz give iran a tank in event or as premium.our community waited so long for this.

[@accelerator9095]

I prefer All Challenger 2 variants they are the best for me, btw great video love it. :)

[@thesnazzycomet]

5:38 the challenger is the Frieza of war thunder

[@intisaber4984]

a year and a day ago they published the chieftan mbt video

[@fareazy3239]

Welcome back dave

[@kachow4875]

Please just make the repair costs on british tanks fair to every nation, I literally cannot afford to play these vehicles to even get to the challengers

[@davidmartin4812]

The 5.7 comet 1 costs mor to repair than a tiger 1... I can undestand some of the reasons behind this but it just feels like bs

[@kachow4875]

@David Martin take the fv4202 compared to American, Russian, and German tanks of the same br. It's absurd the prices to repair that brotish tanks face

[@LeiteArts10]

If only Osório was here, Nice to have bruce back

[@mEmEzMaN...]

Now we have the cr3

[@briarbrantley5888]

I prefer the 5.3 challenger because I don't have the chally 2 or any other chally for that matter

[@Cedrickfly]

Bruce! Bruce! Bruce!

[@mlrd6622]

Hope Bruce is feeling better🙂😊

[@wariornt]

Challenger 2 Falcon would be good addition to family :D

[@joshm65]

I've been playing the challenger mk2 today and I am researching the mk3 lol 🙃

[@SpanishAvenger]

A nice tribute for the Challenger 2s would be if their incredibly heavy and thick add-on composite blocks and plates didn't have a KE multiplier half as strong as that of Aluminum... (x0.10 for them when Aluminum's multiplier is x0.20). Right now, the LFP 360mm LOS of composite add-on armor blocks found in the Challenger 2 TES and Challenger 2 (2F) provide 36mm of RHA equivalent, and the 110mm thick composite side skirts found on TES, provide 11mm of RHA equivalent... is that where the 13 extra tons went...? Also, please, give them a proper Challenger engine sound! The potato Chieftain engine sound is really off-putting...

[@vermillion.__-_.]

Shame you've put the wrong engine sound on. Does my head on Still. Beautiful machines.

[@causingknight8671]

Thank the gods that Bruce is all better!! and just out out curiosity are you guys able to do the leopard? And please let Bruce dot he voice over 🙏

[@danr6716]

Challenger 3 better come!

[@legionplays513]

Long live to Shah and royal family of Iran

[@cordellej]

longest operational kill TWICE dont forget that the tank scored the kill and then the next day another tank extended the record

[@winchesterchua3390]

Yooo! Bruce is back!

[@Davito2000]

5:41 Looks like the birds that live near my house travel overseas.

[@mafiosomemer3730]

The new Challenger 3 with a 120mm smoothbore is comparable to the Leopard 2 and an armor comparable to the Abrams

[@erfger7756]

Man I wish But it’ll never happen

[@Crankypantspie]

I love the Challenger, the only gripe I have really in game that really annoys me is the ECM table, if you was ever going to fight conventional warfare that would not be on the top of the tank, it's so annoying playing in war thunder and having the table give you away before cresting a ridgeline. It's the reason i favour the Challenger 2 in game and not the Challenger 2F.

[@kaidanalexander2840]

Personally, I like the table on top. It allows the crew members to have a tea break after a long day of battle

[@StarstreakHVM]

@@kaidanalexander2840 nobody is laughing

[@kaidanalexander2840]

@@StarstreakHVM Ok

[@Fonzie223]

They put it on top so it was and is easy to track and follow behind hills... it serves no purpose in this game.

[@lukigensfm]

at least it looks cool

[@chungusbooper]

I hope the UK tree gets the Shirs at some point. Should hopefully be enough data for it. Just imagine...a quick Cheiftain.

[@Combatwombat-sn7ng]

Quicker than the others... wouldn't go as far as "quick"

[@chungusbooper]

@@Combatwombat-sn7ng They're both the same thing, because it's being compared to the other Chieftains. You'd have the quick one, and the slow ones.

[@brotologe1300]

Can you do a remake of the,,klimbing the ranks with'' series? (You add a lot of new vehikels)

[@soroushshirin3364]

Thank you for telling us the story bruce hope you feel better I am so grateful from Iran 🇮🇷 (I wish I could change the path that people gone) I hope you tell us more and more about several events that happened in middle east, specially from Iranian military

[@KingGuyles]

Ah yes the tank where you refuse to fix the hole in the turret or give them commander thermals like they should have

[@HJDore]

No challenger variant that is ingame have received commander thermal viewers. In fact the only challengers that has been fitted with commander thermal viewers are the challenger 2e export variant and the modernized challenger 1’s Jordan were working on.

[@a39tortoise40]

@@HJDore There are more variants than just those that have commander thermals... Chally 2 megatron, black night, medusa, 130mm cannon demonstrator, streetfighter, the list goes on.

[@HJDore]

@@a39tortoise40 I’ll admit I was just thinking CR1 and CR2 and whilst yes there are other variants some in your list are incorrect. Firstly Megatron, being a demonstrator vehicle for how a challenger 2 gun tank would be deployed on operations isn’t fitted with CITV. Secondly CR2 Medusa was just a experiment by the mod and BAE into fitting an APS to challenger 2 and as such the test vehicle used did not revive updated gunner or commander optics. Lastly streetfighter (which was later named Theatre entry standard) was just the addition of an RWS, IED jammers and Dorchester 2F armour modules to replace the 2E modules and ERA used in the invasion of Iraq to provide better protection against handheld anti tank weapons. The later heavy armour urban warfare experiment named Streetfighter 2 did not see test vehicles fitted with commander thermal viewers either.

[@sturmgeschutze3070]

@@HJDore Arguing semantics but streetfighter wasn’t later named theatre entry standard, it was just that streetfighter was one of the proposals for the armour package the CR2 would be fitted with. Theatre Entry Standard is as it says, the package ALL challengers are fitted with before combat - it changes over time.

[@sidwainhouse]

Shame the Challengers sound like Chieftains... 🙄 And as for the repair costs, the less said about that the better...

[@Raptor-yl6kh]

Can we have the shir 1 and shir 2 tanks in game?(as premium or event)a chieftain with 1200hp engine could be fun.

[@manaldarwish9165]

my favorite is the challenger 2 its the best

[@Crankypantspie]

Ha Ha, Seeing the challenger 2 with the Bin Lids on the side, My Squadron was known as the Bin Lids!

[@waskus]

Challanger gets fun at 9.3+

[@zollyy]

Which Challenger do I prefer? I don't know, I am still grinding and losing my soul in the process.

[@BrettsClips]

2F is the best, when full upgraded the big fella can really move, I recently got the TES and I’ve never had a worse time grinding a mbt

[@fitzergerald302]

Be nice if they could remove the ammunition next to the driver for the challenger mk 3 which isn't there IRL

[@pinocat5194]

Could you try to make a full adjustable fuel load for planes so you can decide if you want to take 10,11,12 or 13 minutes of fuel ?

[@wolfroze9703]

Im glad to hear youre improving rapidly and back to boring the pants off (but very enjoyable) of us with your very monotonous voice bruce!

[@captainfactoid3867]

The Challenger tank is why I play other nations. I wanna play Britain but it ends with the Chally, which means other nations are much more worth the time

[@ricostreit1080]

True... Sadly... I have 11.0 as brits.. but its just waaay harder to perform well with those slow ass challys... Literally no armor at all...bc everyone knows how big that weakspot is... And speed is just meta ...

[@parthrastogi3127]

Q : Why do the British still rely upon the old rifled barrel despite its lower life due to wear and tear. ? Why they haven't ever stepped towards HEAT-FS ? What is there ideology of sticking specifically towards HESH and APDS/APDSFS?

[@HJDore]

The reason Britain chose the rifled L30a1 gun for the challenger 2 is because the British army had been operating mixed fleet for decades, for example centurions ran with chieftain and chieftains were operated alongside challenger. The British army were expecting to operate a mixed challenger/challenger 2 fleet in ‘91 when VDS delivered the prototypes and as such it was important to have an armament that could use ammunition of its predecessor.

[@taxcollector5920]

hope bruce is fine

[@BobsWTandAviation]

Question: I just got the f6f 5n and I don’t have the radar lead indicator. When I look at old videos of it, it has the lead indicators. Same with lots of other radars

[@soddy5964]

Cool.

[@vinncent_hater9521]

I feel that the revolution in the long run secured Britain a safer future with only the leppard and abrams being able to compete with the challenger also rip to the 5.3 challenger not getting mentioned :(

[@tasman006]

My favourite tank of all time. There is a good book called main battle tank set during the 2nd gulf war. It follows the story of a Challenger 2 tank crew during the push to Basra. I highly recommend this book as you will read more combat tales than you read in Wikipedia.

[@evoluxman9935]

That's a nice tank you have there, would be a shame if someone leaked it xD

[@leopard2A4-official]

Q: What is the first tank to sport composite armour in the game

[@leopard2A4-official]

My Google hasn't been working for the past 2 weeks

[@lord_o_muppet]

HE SAID IT HE SAID BESH

[@tylermin5305]

(During the cold war) every other nation :i choose mobilty over armor Uk: i choose armor over mobility

[@yukito8148]

i trust my life in the mighty BESH

[@ikill-98]

The suffring tank 😂😂

[@paramite67]

surfing tank

[@gabj3826]

Please do a Metal Beasts video on 2S3M !

[@shaggings]

I started to dislike the Challenger 2 after everything received shells that can lolpen the hull, since then I've switched to germany. Mostly because since the tank is already below average in mobility and now it doesn't even have to the survivability to make up for it.