Was Abel Regenerate? How About Cain?

Was Abel Regenerate? How About Cain?
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Welcome to the Grace in Focus radio / podcast. Today, Bob Wilkin and Dave Renfro are talking about regeneration in the Old Testament. Was Abel regenerate? Why was his sacrifice accepted, but Cain’s was not? Was Cain a regenerate person? Was he a believer? Bob and Dave have some ideas about these questions - Listen and learn with them on today’s episode of the Grace in Focus podcast!
Old Testament, Regeneration, Saints, 1 John 2:29, Hebrews 11:4, Genesis 4, Cain, Abel, Sacrifice
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[@torontobiblestudy]

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[@DannyLoyd]

Well according to GES if Cain was Regenerate, He could kill his brother, Abel and never repent or confess his sins and heaven would be his home. And GES believes the same thing for us today, GES believes once you have been saved, you can walk in darkness, walk after the flesh, commit adultery, fornication and even MURDER, never repent or confess your sins and do so 24/7/365 and heaven will be your home. GES believes that you can depart from the faith and give heed to doctrine of demons, 1Timothy 4:1 and you will still be saved. And you can even have an evil, unbelieving heart that leads you to fall away from the living God, Heb 3:12, but GES believes you are still saved....OSAS.....

[@wtom04]

@DannyLoyd You are a very self-righteous Pharisee. Your false doctrine is proven wrong as I once departed the faith and turned my back on God for 9 long years where I lived in willful sin, rebellion, and apostasy against God. In my sin and rebellion, I indulged in porn and fornication. I even went so far as cursing God, and even destroyed my Bible. God, however, chastised me at the 9 year mark of my rebellion where I was restored to fellowship with God. God chastises, but He also restores His fallen children - Hebrews 12:5-11, Job 5:17-18, Matthew 18:12-14, Luke 15:4-6. This was 31 years ago, but God has been gracious to me ever since. I have also personally communicated with other Christians who also fell in the faith and became apostate and lived in sin longer than me. Today, they are back in fellowship with the Lord.

[@Marinanor]

Consequences for us are different, eternally, from non believers. Non believers, sadly, go to Hell, but believers can be punished, even to death by God for grevious unrepentant sin, or worse, lose their privilege to reign and rule with Christ forever in Heaven. I rightly agree that there is no way to lose someone's salvation once we're saved. John 3:16, For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. eternal means eternal.

[@wtom04]

@DannyLoyd You are no different from the self-righteous Pharisee that Jesus accurately described in Luke 18:9-12. Jesus then made it clear that the TAX COLLECTOR was justified before God, but not the Pharisee.

[@wtom04]

@DannyLoyd Luke 18:9-14 - 9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people-robbers, evildoers, adulterers-or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ 13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ 14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

[@DannyLoyd]

@@Marinanor So, then, you agree with what I said about GES, You believe you can depart from the faith and give heed to doctrine of demons and you will still be saved, 1 Timothy 4:1, and you believe that you can have an evil and unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God, Heb 3:12, and yet you will still be saved. You also believe that you can be severed from Christ, fall from grace and still be saved, Gal 5:4. And as I pointed out, you believe that once you are saved, you can walk in darkness, walk after the flesh, you can commit adultery, fornication, lie, steal and even commit murder and do so 24/7/365 and never ever repent or confess your sins and heaven will be your home. Yet if you walk in the light, walk after the Spirit, live after the Spirit, you are trying to earn your salvation and are not saved.....this is what you believe? 1 John 3:15 " Any one who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that NO MURDERER HAS ETERNAL LIFE ABIDING IN HIM", So, are they still saved?