Was Chuggaconroy Actually GUILTY?

[@roehanostornsyn3367]

Hearing a 17 year old proclaim they have sufficient life experience because they've "been in two relationships" was probably the highlight of this one

[@Nreekei]

A lot of cringe packed in these 3 hours but that one was a highlight

[@NervinJ]

Lmfao

[@ImisstheoldKanye631]

I’m pretty sure he was baiting with that one

[@MikeTsBees]

Dude clearly lost his 15-year-old girlfriend to an 18-year-old bro. That's why he said the difference should be two years when he's 17.

[@henotic.essence]

Sweet youthful hubris 🙏

[@noblecave4139]

so refreshing to hear someone actually back down and be like I was wrong g

[@TheDigitalApple]

This situation made me realize NintendoCaprisun is still online, who I haven’t seen since his old PVZ let’s play from 2009. Be like NintendoCaprisun and stick to your friends and defend them

[@redSUPERMAN2]

Bro I love ncs

[@Beanzops]

I eat the cotton candy from my walls

[@KainaX122]

Yeah, Tim is pretty great even if Ai haven’t watched his stuff in quite a while

[@PankitoEmiya]

Nathaniel B

[@cj-vp9rf]

Tim is fuckin epic, loved his JealousGuy channel before the copyright trolls and BreakingNCS vlogs. Legendary Zelda LP's, NCS is fr goated

[@shocksword6847]

As a long time Chuggaa fan, I just want to be off this ride man 💀

[@Kirbv]

frr

[@Spice.Melange]

Bros a creep either accept it or stop watching 💀

[@Moxieboggs]

​@@Spice.Melange and they wonder why females get turned off by them like no backbones over clear intentions but do agree that the women clearly should have such blame to such interest that doesn't get called out 😂

[@MegaZer0]

@@Spice.Melange most youtubers are.

[@Spice.Melange]

@@MegaZer0 it seems to be a very common side effect of fame in general lol. Especially with the nerd types. Theyre incapable of rejecting a girls advances even if theyre underaged. They just cant help themselves lmao shits crazy

[@tortrest282]

Tom the type of guy to be put in a video when talking about people not doing enough research and then get excited and go "that's me!!"

[@BoogyMushrooms]

I read this before that part of the video. Holy shit that's fucking impressive. I thought it was a typical Tom comment bit, but naw, dude didn't actually do his job. Again.

[@wowo2017]

@@BoogyMushroomsi mean there is definitely still contention so he wasnt nessicarily wrong more like like over zealous with his conclusions a large amount of the info was correct there were just small thing such as dates he missed and that was honestly the entire community as everyone was saying he was innocent

[@openyathirdeye6894]

​@@BoogyMushroomshis job lmfao his job is making videos gtfo with that he didn't do his job bs

[@tylerl250]

He used the part where that dude was yelling about not doing ur job when he talked about WestJet guess I figured where he got it from lol

[@tylerl250]

​@@openyathirdeye6894lol he states that it's there job as a KZbinr covering this to do the research so yea he didn't do his job

[@chlovember]

i find it so goofy how someone in chat calls the background music “ethnic beats” dawg it was a jay-z song 😭😭

[@goofball7354]

I'm gonna touch you bro

[@Kaithepimp]

it’s literally 💀 form kendrick Lamar

[@cosminetron]

Well it was Not Like Us, so it did beat the ethnicity out of him yeah

[@chlovember]

@@Kaithepimp no?😭😭 it was the story of oj by jayz

[@chlovember]

@@cosminetroni meant the story of oj, you can see someone mention it around 10:15, i’m pretty sure they had oddtodlers by tyler at some point too

[@lanceanthony198]

This vid got me Tomming my Dark until I Turkey

[@ChristianJackson-v9b]

Oh my God lmao

[@grubbyschlop8046]

Don't you mean "Tomming my Turkey till it go Dark"?

[@rumplebutts6442]

​@@grubbyschlop8046 brutal

[@lanceanthony198]

@@grubbyschlop8046I meant what I said exactly. You’re describing a different activity

[@kmartinquadeuce]

"Tomming my dark until I turkey, IRL."

[@LosersForgottenPride]

This just sounds like kids arguing about which kid was the biggest dummy

[@SaintShion]

Yeah except one of those kids is actually an adult and pushing for an intimate relationship only to get rejected by said* kid.😬

[@Moxieboggs]

¢u€ked behavior over your idols 😂

[@xeternaleclipse]

@@SaintShionif you’re saying loly rejected him, she literally admitted to wanting to manipulate chugga into sex with her. 😭

[@Spice.Melange]

That's what you got out of a mountain of pedo/grooming allegations?

[@aidacus1034]

almost but not quite

[@donut_holz3482]

There’s a difference between cognitive intelligence and emotional maturity. When you are 18, that is the moment when society says “You are still young but old enough to the difference between right and wrong. while we will understand that you are still learning, you will have to suffer the full consequences if anything were to happen.” that is having the cognitive ability to understand what is happening in a situation. Maturity is something some may never experience, they have spiteful, petty arguments over the most trivial of issues but it’s if a person allows themselves, they can grow, mature to separate the primordial instincts and know that it’s best not to focus a lot of attention on something that doesn’t matter. I see this situation as someone who knew that they were doing wrong but were emotionally immature to let go for a period of time before realizing it wasn’t worth spending all this time, both of theirs, on something that couldn’t work. I won’t call him a groomer as I think like all 20 year olds, he is too stupid and was still learning. Only advice is: “Don’t talk to anyone online.”

[@GamaOnYT]

I like this comment. Good take actually.

[@nono-yw3tv]

Gonna have to agree.

[@izidorfalosny]

Interesting how katiebugs is a literal baby not responsible for any of her actions at 18, and chugga is full fledged adult at 19.

[@pugettepugs6766]

Kaitibugs was ridiculous. Both are adults here

[@blastrr1776]

"hey, with your cosplays you really are a loli" he said this at 20 years old bro

[@lordkonzilla7890]

​@@blastrr1776if she bad she bad

[@blastrr1776]

@@lordkonzilla7890 nah bro you're crazy for that lmao

[@tylerl250]

​I watched a anime one of the first things this dude said to this girl was she's a loli it never came up again I was like y​@@blastrr1776

[@shoebockx3334]

I think being a PDF file requires repeated predatory behavior and well into adulthood… if you’ve watched “to catch a predator,” you’d know that most of those guys repeatedly, maliciously, and intentionally targeted children specifically. I think in the age of the internet, it’s very easy for individuals in a text-only chat to misconstrue the maturity of the people they are talking to. While yes, obviously it is different- anyone who has had a long distance relationship or who’s partner has gone away for a long time (a few weeks/months) should be able to recall just how badly a person changes in their mind online vs in real life. Everything is different when you are that separated from the individual in real life, and it’s so easy to put on a personality online, or even to lose your personality online. I don’t think this guy is the only person who has experienced the effect of the warping of perspective through internet chat, and I think this might even be somewhat common because of the rise of platforms like Discord. The issue comes from when you realize your mistake and then repeat it. Now it is no longer a one time mistake but a pattern.

[@EdDevil]

You need to prove that he was actively seeking relations with her to even label him a predator and considering she was quite literally throwing herself at him and he was the one to initially stop communications after his mom pointed out she had a real crush on him it's very doubtful he wanted to fuck her or anything like that. Just seems like early 00's online friend behavior that was very common sprinkled in with some popular memes of the time that obviously didn't age well like the "I'm going to rape you" cat video.

[@chinchillatwitch7234]

Good comment, let me add something to that. Most sex crimes related to minors are actually people that have a opportunity, but arent full blown pdf's, as in they have a attraction to kids. I think that probly just fits with this guy, as this was 10 years ago, and since then no girl has come forward. If he was a pdf, he would have tripped up more, like you mentioned. Also, agegap asside, we are talking about a 19 year old, yes he is a creep, but who was someone that navigated relations well at that age. Just saying, that its probly not a attraction to kids in my opinion.

[@AllThingsEntertaining]

@@chinchillatwitch7234 We should definitely add that he was creepy at the time, not that he's creepy now. People definitely change in a decade and many more realize their behavior was not good.

[@Bauldi]

I think the fact it was so long ago and this is the ONLY instance and it was just a kinda weird gap buys him some leeway regardless. Dude was kinda acting like a creep but he hasn't shown a pattern of continuing to be a creep-- and despite it being very fuckin weird, he didn't go that far and cut contact pretty quickly with his MOTHER's recommendation. If that doesnt scream autistic loser I dunno what does, dude definitely isnt a supervillain

[@ZCommander]

@@Bauldiall that plus while she was a minor and he was an adult, they were both teenagers in the end of the day, he wasn’t thirty. This isn’t YandareDev.

[@Tom_Bee_]

Awkward teenagers flirting awkwardly? The creepiest thing about this whole situation is the internet making and consuming hours of content about it.

[@Boomy0]

15 and 20 is not akward teens flirting. Thats grooming. You support pedophilia?

[@yungprodigy4070]

cope harder pred. you're defending a grown man flirting with a minor btw

[@BillyBob-kj4qq]

Here where it gets weird. 18 and 15 is normal. They're both highschoolers. That 18 year old might turn 19, but she better turn 16 before he hits 20 or that's full blown PDF file zone. If someone not in high-school is flirting and meeting someone who is still in high-school, that's weird as heck.

[@JE3MAN]

It was done recently it'd be one thing. However, it was done during a time where 15 and 19 year-olds dating was far, FAR more common than you'd expect and nobody gave a shit about it. So common in fact, I'd be willing to bet If we were to retroactively condemn every single person who were 19+ and dating people 15 to 17 before 2010, more than half of the population would be found guilty. The pictures though, that was still creepy even back then.

[@lllOnSlAuGhTlll]

@@moonman9473 imagine you have a friend in that age gap (nothing sexual, but you are male she female) and the moment you turn 19 you go into panic mode, delete everything and stop all contat... THAT would actually be weird...

[@jjenk911]

Tom is sitting back like a patient dad listening to three people arguing with each other.

[@NintendoCapriSun]

The toilet.

[@thomasescorcio4260]

Hi Tim

[@williamcox632]

Hey Tim, hope u and Emile are doing well

[@tylercoon1791]

The iconic Tim line

[@LetsleyPlays]

Seriously is 😆

[@ztykowork]

🚽

[@gekko112]

Ngl, I hate the "I would never do that tho" type response to a "What would you do if you were in that situation" type question.

[@tammyn1775]

not everyone wants to think of a hypothetical in which they’re having sexually charged conversations with a minor

[@jonathand.4088]

When people refuse to engage in hypotheticals, they are usually unwilling to examine why they think what they think

[@sadsenmmxvi]

"But I did have breakfast this morning."

[@dexfrancolini4734]

@@jonathand.4088or they genuinely think they won’t do what’s in the hypothetical. I hope most people wouldn’t have sexually charged conversations with a 15yo if you’re 19

[@TJItcap]

It is comical how black and white blaster is

[@Braffman]

I mean you can’t be shocked, he’s a literal child

[@Bauldi]

It makes for great content watching him argue with everyone so extremely lol.

[@zeltroid1730]

Especially appreciated the Gen z creep cover

[@damiennewman1992]

The high school context would matter if it were true, but it's clearly not. The reason the high school context matters is because you are sharing a space with individuals of similar maturity levels to you. Seniors and freshman occupy the same classes, sports, friend groups, etc. Freshman probably have a significant enough maturity difference having just entered high school, but if a senior starts dating a sophomore, graduates and starts college, I do not think there should be a requirement to break up or they are now 'groomer pedophiles'. Now they will probably naturally break up because with college and freedom, there is once again another shift in maturity.

[@damiennewman1992]

I think age has almost nothing to do with the maturity level (for this age group) and it's almost entirely where you are in your life. a 30 year old who lives in their moms basement and a 30 year old with their own house and a career are completely different when it comes to maturity level, and frankly that 30 year old with the career probably has way more in common with a 20 year old with a full time job and responsibilities.

[@Immor7alBG]

​@@damiennewman1992 I disagree, a 30 y/o would be as out of touch with the early 20s crowd as much as with his NEET peer. 10 years is still almost a lifetime of difference at that age range. When you get to the 40~50 age range, I'd say that gap is mostly whatever.

[@damiennewman1992]

@Immor7alBG I'm curious how much experience you have in the workplace? I have way more in common with coworkers who are 20 years older than me than some of my bum friends from high school, and it's not even close. I'll grant you that maybe 20 is a bit if an exaggeration but 25 to 35 absolutely falls into this category

[@applesauce1230]

I think the difference in pre lobe development has a significant impact on the perception of age range and maturity, generally speaking someone could be more mature when they're younger but they will also have less mental development/decision making skills, the difference between 18 and 15/16 in highschool isn't a significant age gap and the younger person could even have the maturity of an 18 year old but they will in most cases have less life experience/ability to make decisions that are more likely to lead to a relationship with a power imbalance which is why it's bad in most peoples minds.

[@damiennewman1992]

@applesauce1230 See, I don't think the 18 year old has the life experience yet either in most cases. That's where I disagree. I tend to rate it more by life milestones, which is why the age gap between college and high school is much more meaningful than senior and sophomore. But if you've grown with a person you met before one of these milestones, that overrides everything.

[@TJItcap]

I say we ban all children from talking to anyone at all. Starting with this guy, he’s 17, can he even consent to this conversation?

[@Mario-sc7fq]

Literally what I was thinking for a 17 year old to say a 15 year old has no obligation to consent so umm for all those who has advanced relations in middle/high school apparently SA'd eachother??

[@Spice.Melange]

The whole "the parents should have been there" argument is so stupid. No parent can know everything their kid does without being an overbearing nazi parent and making your kid absolutely despise you. We all did shit that our parents didn't know about and to act like you as a parent would do any better just screams "I don't have kids" lol name one kid that didn't do shit behind their parents backs and didn't hate them either.

[@chinchillatwitch7234]

There are more parental tools to deal with this stuff, but back around 2010, allot of the what the dangers where on internet wherent really known for just the average person. "Its just computer, you can turn off the screen" type of stuff. I think the mom probly acted the best you could give a average mom, and she did shut it down. Also, blaster is 17, with all due respect, he doesnt know about internet culture and all that stuff back then.

[@genericsocks7542]

As a kid who was wildly defiant and troublesome as a teen, I don’t feel like my parents were to blame for my behavior. So some kids will just naturally be inclined towards the type of behavior I exhibited as a teen, regardless of the parents actions. Actually, the more my parents tried to clamp down, the more I took it as a challenge to beat the new rules. It resulted in them taking the extreme measure of having me essentially legally kidnapped (transport service ) in the middle of the night and taken to a woods program followed by a boarding school, all of which was against my will but legal as I was 16-17 and not 18. It’s very expensive so is only super common in more wealthy areas but there are similar cheaper alternatives that are more common. I think the goal is to find that balance of not exposing your children to shit they shouldn’t see/can’t understand fully and not being the overbearing, draconian rules having type parent. Too much one way and problems arise, too much the other and different but just as bad problems also arise. That’s why being a parent is crazy bc there is no handbook, every kid is vastly different, and everyone has their own opinion. Once the kid reaches 13-15yo they have some responsibility for their actions, but ultimately the adult has far more power due to their life experience and accumulated knowledge, so they have the final say and will suffer the consequences at the end of the day. Both of those things can be simultaneously true. Ok lol rant over

[@Poopie_buttholelickeresquirejr]

@@genericsocks7542 bro what the heck did you do 💀💀

[@mrbubbles6468]

@@chinchillatwitch7234the dangers of this and the tools to stop it were everywhere by 2010. They’d been around for years at that point. And as ypu say the mom did shut stuff down when she found out how unsafe stuff was getting.

[@berniekatzroy]

Just another situation blown out of proportion but that predator Colleen Ballinger is still acting like she did nothing wrong.

[@Hus0408]

Once bro said he was 17, the way he behaves made complete sense.

[@Wearedoomed24]

Listening to these children who can probably count their partners on one hand debate where the age cut off is is mind fucking

[@Wearedoomed24]

150 sub KZbinr mad that an actual content creator won’t defame and slander a man. Go back to school kid

[@Smeebit]

The irony in your statement is very thick. If you think these "children" are too inexperienced to decide the age cut off, then how can you think someone even younger is experienced enough to date someone older?

[@henotic.essence]

... So you think they should be able to date ppl 4 years+ older than them? 😂

[@Wearedoomed24]

@@henotic.essence I think the line is a lot less fine and the issue much more complex when you’re talking high school age yeah. 15-19 (ish) almost 10-15 years ago is a retarded debate to have under todays political lense. If you can’t look at history with context of the time then you shouldn’t look at history at all. No one’s ever argued his messages aren’t creepy and off putting. But it says more about the people losing their minds about this than it does chugga Conroy and I can say that as someone with zero skin in the game. I’ve just learned about that sperg due to all this and it’s just sad to see how many young people have become hyper obsessed with these gotchas and pedo hunting instead of trying to build relationships with people and understanding social dynamics. That ole saying of when you look for pedos everywhere you see pedos everywhere. Then follow all that up with the audacity of a 17 year old railing for a 30 year old to get off the internet and seek therapy for actions 10+ years ago is almost as wild as the super mega allegations and caitibug situation combined.

[@Wearedoomed24]

@@Smeebit do you think a 19 year old living with his mom is an adult? Are all, or even most 19 year olds just skibidi’ing on out and running shit? Or are they dumb children too?

[@Hurley164]

I've always dated older women growing up. 3 to 4 years older makes you a pedo is a reach?

[@elusivemayfly7534]

Yeah, and both teens. I can’t tell if I am just old because I was a teen in the 90s…or if this is basically nothing. I haven’t seen the whole video yet, to be fair. But the “cwushy wushy” stuff does not seem sinister.

[@inhenterprises]

This drama is never gonna end isn't it?

[@williamcox632]

It's been over for ~2 months why he's still talking about it I will never know

[@inhenterprises]

@@williamcox632 I guess so he can "redeem" himself on how terrible he handled the Pyrocynical drama of 2020.

[@williamcox632]

@@inhenterprises oh God I forgot about that drama. I'm willing to bet a bunch of people forgot about that drama due to a certain worldwide event that started in 2020

[@Brash711]

Dude praying on the chugs down fall 😂

[@The_Original_TP]

Yea ShortFatOtaku has the best long form video I’ve seen yet on the ChuggaConroy stuff.

[@Mason_____]

The amount of brain rot of useless people on the internet Tom has to endure will genuinely leave him in shambles in time

[@pennsylvaniafellow4409]

Couldn't get through this one. Felt how Tom looked an hour in.

[@thomasescorcio4260]

Kudos to nintendocaprisun for supporting chuggaaconroy all this time

[@tylercoon1791]

Least based Tim moment:

[@thomasescorcio4260]

@@tylercoon1791huh?

[@nono-yw3tv]

@@tylercoon1791 someone misspelled *most

[@tylercoon1791]

@@nono-yw3tv no, Tim is just so based, that this is his least based moment

[@beastking4373]

idk if the times have just changed or something but when i was in highschool it was very common for seniors to get with freshmen and apparently no one thought it was wrong or weird, i was even called a virgin when i told people in my school that i thought it was weird to go after girls who just got into highschool lol

[@pennsylvaniafellow4409]

I graduated in 2018 and this was very common at my school. I do think it's weird but not really an apt comparison for online weirdos. I don't even think it should have been mentioned.

[@applesauce1230]

I think the perception of a child is different from an adult from your own recollection, it probably didn't seem weird to you because you were also a minor but I thought it was weird when I was in highschool and if you asked most adults many would probably think retrospectively that it is weird imo.

[@beastking4373]

@@applesauce1230 no it did seem weird to me even in highschool, i was saying how i was in the minority in thinking that back in school tho which i thought was strange

[@applesauce1230]

@@beastking4373 oh I missread mb

[@ZCommander]

I’ll bite. Imo, is it a little bit weird. Yes, I would not recommend seniors in HS date freshmen in HS. Absent specific circumstances, should anyone need fear ‘allegations’ over it, no. In short, while I and many others find it ill-advised for (imo) good reason, it in of itself is not predatory.

[@Jordan123151]

God dude. The way people are talking about this is driving me nuts. The way this girl talked to "older men", if you really are so concerned, you should be HAPPY that she did so with Chugga, who's too autistic to ever force a meet up, or ask for explicit pictures or get into sexting in any way shape or form. She could have sent that weird sexual energy (rape shit?) Into the direction of an actual predator.

[@techwandoUS]

I'm not seeing the link for this video so Here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZSrdouwe99lb6csi=E6AS86WQf6wmsqtL

[@lpc9929]

The the bacteria

[@luhchomp]

Th

[@naingaung2748]

Mafroum

[@ztykowork]

This is a certified scented candles moment

[@Flaeron1]

Epic!

[@Flesh_Wizard]

Scented candles ftw 🔥🔥🔥

[@codydfwn]

Why Chugga got that Chris Chan drip?? 😫😩

[@havoc697]

Autism

[@notudo1432]

autism outfit 👍

[@Turkey_do_the_Charleston_Tom]

Sometimes in this call I feel Tom mentally just checks out to only play Fortnite

[@Mario-sc7fq]

He really did

[@Turkey_do_the_Charleston_Tom]

@@Mario-sc7fq yea I can’t blame him the conversation got retarded after just a little bit

[@OnionReturns]

Wash your hair Tom

[@chocobro7]

Bruh looking greasy af 😂

[@vixxven]

Awesome comment 10/10

[@mimisouris1612]

Haters gonna hate 😢

[@nono-yw3tv]

No, You.... random citizen.

[@erie3936]

Wdym, he clearly washes it With grease

[@capasourusrex]

My brain shut off the moment that goober said "drawn cp" great job watering down serious topics

[@Bauldi]

He's a kid, most kid's hear loli nowadays and default to that since things have changed a fair bit online. Can't really blame him for viewing it that way even if it isnt a good look to compare drawn shit to actual real degenerate shit-- but its not the worst view either for a kid nowadays-- especially if he has no reason or want to expose himself to that type of culture that view is an easy way to avoid it. Gotta keep the brains kosher, no reason to cook yourself.

[@alpaca6462]

But it literally is

[@capasourusrex]

@@alpaca6462 😕

[@justapanpirate]

Same. If even organisations who helps csem/csam victims asks people to stop sending them fictional characters because it takes time and resources from actual victims you’d think it’s pretty obvious that it’s not csem/csam, it apparently not.

[@justapanpirate]

@@alpaca6462So why has organisations like NCMEC said that up to 90% of their reports are about “non-actionable images including cartoons”?

[@ByrneTheWorld10]

Why are people still talking about this? The response was good and didnt actually lie about anything lmao.

[@thomasescorcio4260]

Exactly they need to drop it and move on

[@LetsleyPlays]

Forgetting/misremembering dates apparently proves you're a liar............

[@EdDevil]

@@LetsleyPlays Meanwhile accusers "forgetting" to include important details and context isn't called out by the same crowd. Crazy how Masae dog piled on him but failed to mention their 10 year dating history or the fact that they were once engaged. I honestly though better of her but looking back at old videos, Dev was right, she seems embarrassed to have been dating him which is imo very close to emotional abuse.

[@AllThingsEntertaining]

@@EdDevil I think we can forgive those people and probably should do so. We'll never really know if what Masae did was out of malice or her dogpiling. She stated outright that she didn't want to be involved and left it at that.

[@EdDevil]

@@AllThingsEntertaining she would have to be extremely stupid to not realize how manipulative her tweets were without the full context people literally went back into their old videos and called him a creep over flirting with his gf/fiance

[@DoctorDownvote]

im not convinced its appropriate to call chugga anything worse than strange, but i love blaster's swag

[@youmanyousef]

The sigma singing in the middle of the video is top tier

[@CamBoone]

JFC, the other people in this call 😬the one even has that terminally online weeb speech-impediment.. you know the one

[@GunieaPig]

Average turkey Tom fan

[@nikostsigos4998]

Tom is the type of chugga to say “ohh butterfingers” when he drops something

[@Onestroke]

Its so funny that these kids think they are anything more then glorified toddlers still lmao

[@wienerhymier]

I was just over at my parents house and i just noticed that they literally have ALBUMS of cp material on one of the shelves in a back playroom. The worst part is they have one of my older brother AND my sister. Is there anything i can do? They arent even trying to hide them like its some sort of a power dynamic at play by keepimg them in such an obvious place. 🤢☹️

[@GamaOnYT]

​@@xeternaleclipse He was being facetious.

[@trevnev2780]

😮

[@Wippipippi]

​@@xeternaleclipsethey are talking about family photos bruh thus is why kids gotta stay off the internet

[@xeternaleclipse]

@@Wippipippi Okay I was thinking like is bro on about the fucking bath tub baby photos like all moms have or what? I noticed another comment said the OPs was facetious but man I have no clue what this comment has to do with anything in the video. Or if it’s some shrouded ass response to the accusations. Just seemed out of place and weird? But I do get what he was trying to reference now. My bad y’all.

[@GamaOnYT]

​@@xeternaleclipseDude. It was clearly a joke referencing family photos in reference to Lawli's pictures mentioned in this video. Bro learn reading comprehension.

[@heckinlmao]

Dude i already have all i need when he says they talked, lost contact then reconnected and that is grooming. My guy no. Also if they both teenagers being cringe then how is that grooming?

[@malachipaul5078]

The irony is at the start of the stream "Blasterr" or whatever his name is was making the pedophile defense argument of "Maturity" in a highschool context. And in defense of the early internet humor, there are plenty of people who would say fucked shit online, things now that could land you on some typa list, that now no one who used internet back then would say now. But also as unfortunate as it is age gaps like 15-19 16-20 were incredibly common back then. People really started talking more about how weird it seemed online around like 2014. So many people were in those type of relationships that arent weird people but social norms have changed that gave a new perspective on how wrong they are, thats not excusing it but people look at stuff in a modern lens and you can make so many assumptions based on now that were just never thought of back then.

[@scarletsletter4466]

Yea & let’s be honest- this stuff is a way bigger deal online than IRL. I’m a woman a few years older than Tom & when I was in HS all the attractive girls dated college guys not bc we “thought they had money” but bc they drive cars & could get us into clubs & concerts & buy us liquor. 😂

[@malachipaul5078]

@@scarletsletter4466 Exactly what I'm saying. A lot of this shit was so damn common and only changed socially more recently. It's a good thing things have changed but can't really judge someone based on social norms of the time when they themselves have changed and there's no evidence to suggest they haven't.

[@maxanderson8704]

this kid is giving me some major mamamax vibes right down to his video content, and honestly after people like mamamax himself and lio convoy ive come around to realize that people like these are a joke and that shit like this needs to be left to the professionals

[@Mario-sc7fq]

Finally after 3 hours he said "i think we're lost in the weeds here" 🤣

[@Lightdragon773]

Chuggaa was only guilty for cringe. Other than that, didnt do anything wrong.

[@NervinJ]

Can Chugga really be a groomer at 20 when he had the mental maturity of a 16yo?

[@Mario-sc7fq]

Homestly 17 years old and in two relationships means he can consent guys get ready for this one. On top of that to glaze it all off bro really is preaching a teenager is a "child" yet HIS 2 relationships are enough for his underdeveloped mind to go around picking for arguments.

[@scarletsletter4466]

😂 I lol’d when that guy who made the video & acted like an insufferable know-it-all admitted to being only 17yo. Then he still claimed to be an expert bc he’s had 2 relationships! Tbh this is a complex topic & I don’t think minors have sufficient perspective to opine intelligently

[@blastrr1776]

my age has nothing to do with it lmao any normal person knows what he did was beyond fucked and I even say "remove me from it"

[@yozora2246]

No, Child, I will not "remove you from it". Enjoy detention, Child...

[@PhilosophiceRetardari]

​@@blastrr1776 Nah lil bro, you just mad your 15yo gf was stolen by a 18yo

[@Bauldi]

@@blastrr1776 He was weird, but not as weird as I think, you think he is. 2010 was really different. cosplay shits a bit much but that age gap in an edating relationship is one of the less egregious ones, plus the dude was clearly a loser so I doubt he was as mature as you think especially at only 19. Theres also no pattern of behavior, its a one stop shop of simping someone he shouldnt have and his mother getting involved because he was too autistic to realize what a stupid thing he was doing. I bet you 100% at 19 he was thinking "well its only 1 year so its not that bad" because he never intended to even meet chick. Edaters edate, and most of them are stupid and/or underage. The gap was barely enough to make this worth being mad about my parents had a bigger age gap than this realistically. Context added I'd say he made a fuck up at 19 thinking he was smart by getting with this girl who obviously liked him and it took outside influence for him to see what he did wrong. Then he didn't do it anymore-- let people fuck up without bringing it up 10 years later and youll see many grow and change. If more shit comes out or more victims sure, I get it. But this was clearly 1 girl, 1 instance, isn't it obvious the dude just simped a girl who gave him attention? This shit was gooner loser behavior, not pedophile groomer behavior.

[@Mario-sc7fq]

Honestly though 😭 like we get the dude is twisted but his argument just fell apart over time with his own dumb take 😂

[@wienerhymier]

This guy is literally shaking and possibly crying about having the scoop on this story. 😂

[@Dvinyard69]

"ha, baited" has got to be the worst cover or excuse to take a side like that lol.

[@dallydonut]

This whole video reminded me of my early time on the internet from like ages 10-15. Older men talked to me a bunch and only like half were like how this sounds without me sending pics at all. Tons of weird and edgy jokes happened back in the day without people being groomers. It was the environment. But there were adults that should've understood not to talk to someone certain ways.

[@Bauldi]

I was one of the kids of this era, I remember lying about my age a lot. Other times I initiated the jokes. It just was the way it was. I feel like as long as you kept shit online too most of its harmless. If they met or something then I'd be super concerned, but rping with a 5 year gap and then dropping her when your mama says "dont interact with this kid are you stupid" I feel like he was harmless from the start. All talk no action like most people online. Also I was an evil ass kid, I knew what I was doing sometimes too-- I played the game, I lied about my age. Kids do that shit, they want to be adults so badly, not every "adult" is a mature parent with life experience some just turn 18-19 and are suddenly pit between two worlds. Its not to say none of them are terrible but a loser roleplaying with an egirl is low on the prio list of degenerates to worry about. Especially since it was the only proven interaction.

[@DjDeadpig]

So yeah, I quoted the liars go to hell line from Dante’s inferno to Lady Emily and got featured on her callout post. AMA I guess?

[@scpjack7856]

Who’s winning the Euros?

[@hodd.]

if there were two guys on the moon and one of them killed the other with a rock would that be fucked up or what?

[@enclaveherewhyisntyourvide3089]

I mean Mr. Emily is going to hell anyway for being a disgusting transsexual so…

[@PolarBear0]

What number am I thinking of?

[@TheGreatLusky]

favorite type of sandwich?

[@TsukiStuffs]

emile didn't even get friendzoned, lawly was MADLY in love with him and tried to manipulate him into meeting up

[@Critastic]

Listening to 19 year old dudes talk about maturity and who can be with who is nauseating.

[@JGburneraccount]

Ofc he threw in "not like us" in the background lmao

[@luvrdara]

i remember always saying “if your grades don’t touch, neither should you”

[@pilotwhaleproductions5880]

God have mercy I thought the thumbnail was Ian and Anissa

[@charaznable6597]

Tom hosting clout Goblins and 1 nut Goblin

[@frogmouth2]

Tom the type a guy to wear the ninja Trollface shirt

[@TuckerD.]

You guilty of a fye haircut

[@hhhdjj]

Blastrr calling a 19 year old smash player an adult is hilarious

[@blastrr1776]

Because he is?

[@nerveaxel8164]

I feel a loss of the feeling of extreme anger

[@BobGeanis]

New dark Thomas video

[@Nah_no_thanks]

I like darkest Thomas.

[@Joeyisagonnawin]

The biggest hangup that I have is that if these sections of the dms were so egregious, why weren't they focused on instead of the foot shit? Chugga didn't address it, and Lawly's response really didn't highlight that. That should have been the spearhead, and yet, it was treated like a footnote to the foot notes.

[@Ablksuperman]

If I was an influencer I would never talk to another influencer. And I would record all conversations…. And I would completely erase my past from anything before 2016. And I would say slurs for every race and disability for fairness. So I can essentially have nobody who can say I'm a ist or phobe… because I can point to a time where I made fun of the opposite

[@dbjdi]

Watch the SFao breakdown

[@marupan_desu]

tbh if an adult and a kid are role playing in an intimate manner while making very clear sxual comments and anyone says the responsibility of cutting it off and putting an end to it is ANYTHING LESS THAN 100% on the adult, i want that person's hard drives checked. Like dude, you can't say "oh she was asking for it" SHE IS A KID SHE IS DUMB SHE CAN'T CONSENT no matter how much she was into it or asked for it, THE ADULT has to cut that completely, period.

[@blastrr1776]

fr people really out here saying it was her fault shits crazy

[@Wippipippi]

​@@blastrr1776bro is in the comments 😂 you're right though, but I don't think anyone disagrees

[@blastrr1776]

@@Wippipippi theres actually hella people who still think he's innocent the comments are mixed lol

[@henotic.essence]

​@@Wippipippiall the comments I've seen are saying this is overblown and chugga did nothing wrong besides being autistic 😅😅😅 This shit is creepy. They're all caught up on the age gap but that alone isn't enough. The sexual chats and weirdness makes the age gap WORSE. That's the whole point.

[@giulioceresini1435]

To be fair, at 19 you are just as dumb.

[@Codamans]

20 minutes in and oh my god this kid is just YAPPIN bro like. He's got no critical thinking skills and leaves no room for "let's see chuggas side of the story" he's just like everyone on Twitter jumping on the girls side cause "always trust women" like shit so yea video is almost over and its just.....nothing.....really shouldve watched the Otaku video cause he actually goes over pretty much everything that matters and that she still held on to most of the messages that would show everything that happened in the convos seeing as she ONLY showed what would make him look bad. kid with the first vid has no idea how to research properly or form coherent questions and answers for himself and other people. sad tom gave him any kind of attention.

[@nono-yw3tv]

2:32:21, I absolutely DISPISE this argument. No, That is not at all the case. No ones able to be there for you 100% of the time when you come across something you don't completely understand. (When you have autism, like I do.)

[@nono-yw3tv]

And also, No ones able to teach you complex interactions until you have them. (And I'm still talking about someone with autism) You're not able to teach all possible interactions. Which was unfortunate to Chuggas case because he was being targeted by someone who even admitted they were looking for $$$ with older guys (The "$$$" is a word I'm not sure if KZbin will let me put). Also no, It doesn't make you a danger to society, Because let's look back at Chugga, Has he done this to anyone else? No, Has he done this recently? Also no. Has anything he said left the chatroom and became action? So far no.

[@nono-yw3tv]

Also, 3:01:46. "The concern about offenders is that they reoffend" Ok? But that's offenders, Already guilty offenders which already committed crimes and they were charged, That is not at all the case for Chugga. Because there's no proof of the initial offense here.

[@patrickandloki]

We were all creeps in 2010. It's not ok to be a creep now.

[@tobyraptis3587]

52:16 someone needs to change their smoke alarm 1:06:52 this guy is so bad at understanding hypotheticals, someone should ask him how he would feel if he didn't eat breakfast yesterday

[@smalltimescoop8664]

Time to watch Tom watch videos and talk about people who’s existence I have no knowledge of

[@wolfhound146]

This kid man... look what you need to know is Autism is a huge spectrum. It's also a very hard to understand disability even for people that have it, myself included. I have met someone who was in her 20's and by a trained professional who examined her and did various tests she had the mental age of a 7 year old. I can't express enough how easy it would be for someone to manipulate and take advantage of her. The context of his Autism does play a huge part in all this. Without that information you can't say one way or another. It could likely be that he didn't understand the problem back then. He may still not understand Autism is hard to live with that way. There are still to this day so many things that are common place for neurotypical people that I still don't understand. I'm on the high functioning part of the spectrum so if it's lower on it than I am for example that might explain some things. Also with Autism it's not clear cut what things an individual might understand. You can take two people with Autism on the same general level and they can and most likely will be very different. With their own strengths and weaknesses in what they know and understand. I suck at math for example, but the guy you have right next to me might be an ace at it. We don't follow the same mental rules as you man and it's not something we can control. So yes to reiterate his diagnosis could play a huge part. I don't know the first thing about this guy so I couldn't tell you. This is the first I am hearing it. Though I remember a LioConvoy stream or something like that where he and a full discord server were tearing into a young woman for defending a pedo or something. Her argument was only that the person was nice to her. She was on the same level as that person I said I saw in person. You would understand if you saw someone like that. They really don't know better. They don't have the ability to understand because mentally they are that person you are trying to protect. She sounded just like the person I saw in person. The way they spoke was identical and honestly I think Lio was out of line. He wasn't taking to account that she really didn't understand by no fault of her own. Calling her stupid and everything else he could think of. I really don't think she could understand and all of her responses and the reasons she acted the way she did was because it revolved around she liked it. Now what age do you think would do just that I wonder? A 7 year old maybe? Or someone with the mental age of 7. I don't now if she specifically had Autism, but she sure sounded like it. Well I have gone on enough of a tangent, so the reality is I don't know enough about this to say one way or another. I just have what I have seen up to1:59:43 and I think his understanding of things because of his Autism is important. I'm not necessarily saying it should excuse anything. However I think that depending on how it effects the way he things it should be taken into consideration. The fact is Autism is an anomaly in how the brain works. Sometimes people are really crippled by it and sometimes there are things that people really just don't have the capacity to understand with it. Again I don't know his story or much about any of this to be honest. I just think when it comes to someone on the spectrum their understanding of life should be an important element when deciding anything about them. It's just about ruined my life at this point having a family that holds me to standards I can't reach because part of the reason is speak on a level higher than my ability to understand. My "thing" is or was speech, grammar, spelling and pronunciation. That has betrayed me in life so much. I get called lazy when I tell people i really don't understand something. They tell me I'm not trying when I have genuine issues when it comes to developing a habit. They just expect me to do things like you do. Like neurotypical people do. Like I said it's all a spectrum and you will not find two of us that are the same. We might have similarities though we will always be vastly different in how Autism effects us. Just food for thought. I don't know what to think at this point. There is a lot of back and forth and if feels like nothing is really being said. It's just feeling like at this point this kid is bringing up a 14 year old thing that happened and youtubers need to stay in their lane and stick to the internet. People have ruined lives over less serious things. People on the internet should not under any circumstances be trusted with this. Okay I tried to ignore this, but I have to address it at this point being at the end. What I have heard is so much talk about Autism being an illness and that's not the case. If you think it is you are ill informed. Autism is a thing that affects how the brain operates. It doesn't make the person ill because it's not an illness. It also doesn't make us a retarded loser. The fact that you know so little about it as you talk about this shows how qualified you are weighing in on this to begin with. You are not qualified. That's the point I need to drive home for the people in the back. KZbinrs need to stick to gaming and non important topics because my honest opinion is that they are too stupid and full of themselves thinking they have all the answers for the most part. Disagree with me all you want I don't care. When I hear these people not knowing the first thing about Autism and saying that it's things that it isn't they lose all credibility. If you talk about something such as Autism in relation to such a heavy topic without having an understanding of it you should not be covering this. Honestly the majority of you are just jerks pretending to be smarter than you actually are. Pushing your points of view trying to convince each other one way or another. Point being represented blastr trying to convince the last guy to see things the way he does and the other guy along with him. This is all a big joke and youtubers really need to stay in their lane. They shouldn't talk about things when it involves something that they are not qualified to talk about. That's how people get hurt!

[@blastrr1776]

i ain't reading all that

[@wolfhound146]

So you will read 40 pages of chat logs to bring up an old topic, but not read this? Shows what your intentions really are.

[@blastrr1776]

@@wolfhound146 yea cause those are possibly criminal while you’re just yapping lmao I’ll read it if I get the chance tho

[@wolfhound146]

To me it just seems like you are digging up old skeletons that have been talked about to death and bringing it back up trying to do something big. You clearly try to force people to see things the way you do and you are trying so hard to get people to see things the way you do. People were saying you were bringing up valid points and that wasn't good enough for you. It's clear this is an attention grab. The whole thing is about Autism and how it drastically effects someone's ability to understand things. How someone with Autism doesn't follow the same rules a neurotypical person does in understanding something. I state examples of why it's important for professionals to make decisions on this and not youtubers who are not qualified.

[@nono-yw3tv]

Also, Combine this with the fact that nothing he said has left the chatrooms and tried to manifest in the real world. And as far as with the information we have now, Lawly is the only person coming out with this. Which is usually not the case for PDF files. Like EDP. Where they have multiple people accusing him. And he tried possibly many times trying to get from the chatrooms to the real world.

[@MrReadySetDance]

Thank god the people in these comments are reasonable cause this blaster kid like really over cooked this shit into calling the dude a pedo over a 4 year age gap 14 years ago. Wild.

[@steel5897]

He is guilty of being cringe.

[@maxthetrickster8300]

What a waste of 3 hours of my life, the fact that Tom and all the callers except sfo are glazing this absolute mental invalid for his godawful video is incredible.

[@thomasescorcio4260]

I’m so glad I never watched the video I would wasted my 3 hours on false allegations

[@nono-yw3tv]

I disagree, The video was well-made and edited really good. I didn't agree with the position he took though. But I'm also not going to say that his video was completely godawful, Because I'd be lying through my teeth.

[@nono-yw3tv]

@@thomasescorcio4260 Well, None of the allegations were false per say, I would say that the conclusion of him being a PDF file is false.

[@maxthetrickster8300]

@@nono-yw3tv you can throw as much glitter on a turd as you want, the substance is still drek. the conclusion is the allegation. He’s alleging that chuggaa is a groomer and pdf, which is laughable if you have a full picture of the situation. The groomer allegation in particular, he’s trying to say this guy planned it out for 10 years (10 years he spent in a relationship with another person) so that he could confess to this chick. He’s treating him like some Machiavellian schemer, it’s wacky.

[@pollbun7490]

15 and 19 isn’t freshman senior, it’s freshman high school, freshman college

[@Dizastermaster.]

Thats sophomore in both

[@JonHop1]

@@Dizastermaster. yeah, I was 14-15 in Freshman year, and 15-16 Sophomore, so you are technically also correct.

[@legosi3527]

Correct for ,15​@@Dizastermaster.

[@Lightdragon773]

19 can still be a senior in high school, early birthday/held back a grade, etc

[@JonHop1]

@Lightdragon773 it's irrelevant if u are in HS or not. Law goes by age.. most people in America follow the same ages per grade. 14 turning 15 Freshman year... 15-16 Sophomore... 16-17 Junior.. 17-18 Senior.

[@mollywater8715]

how does Tom already have orbiters

[@WillyKillya]

Tom the type of guy to say "Chugger" with a hard R

[@germanium6095]

Chugga literally did nothing wrong though

[@thesophisticatedchild2228]

tomothy the type of guy to uh um.. never done one before.

[@mehaha6305]

I’m 30 minutes in and I agree with that guy that freshman/senior relationships are gross. Freshman think they are mature, but they are not. I was a mentor to freshman to help them out in school and they seem like babies compared to 11th grade and up. They are also 13-14 and they just seem so young.

[@michaelh878]

Grade 11s aren't mature at all either.

[@johnballard7775]

me and the boys had a friend who started dating a freshmen when he was a junior and we still called him a pedo/kiddy diddler. the freshmen was throwing herself at him begging him to take her virginity and she would grind on him in public/in front of us. the main reason everyone dog piled on him was because she was making everyone uncomfortable. also she was one of our friend’s sister. she would stare at him all day in the cafeteria when he was hanging out with us. anyways the guy she was dating had a 3 week long mental journey trying to decide if it was ok to have sex with her, eventually deciding no because everyone would call him a pedo forever.

[@BillyBob-kj4qq]

​@@johnballard7775 so yall bullied him out of his true love hahahahahaha **KIDDING**

[@TheNuts1225]

They're 14 to 15.

[@DoobieKeebler]

My 1st girlfriend had been in one of those "18-19M gets w/ a 14F" as her 1st relationship. It really fucked her up. She would call him "Mr. X," then sent me pages and pages of her diary entries (or w/e) about him. About how his touch made her feel special, etc.

[@toffiees6193]

A senior and a freshman in high school dating is definitely weird. Next year the freshman will be a sophomore and the senior graduates and goes to college/ gets a full time job. If they keep seeing the sophomore after they graduate that is WEIRD

[@Hereinhierarchy]

The guy saying the cart girls on golf course are flirting…. when they make money off of tips. yeah maybe they are, it’s definitely not unheard of. However, half the time older guys confuse the customer service kindness for flirting. which has happened all the time to my coworkers and me.

[@fz7788]

Turkey tom i would higly recommend watching SFOs video even if he is on the braindead politics side his video on this situation is very legit.

[@ssgtshep5794]

This is stupid. Stop speculating and crap. 19 is barely an adult... if it was repeated behaviour, then yes, thats pdf stuff. Also, stfu about power dynamics... unless you've in a position where the power dynamics is skewed and abused, then comment. All relationships have some sort of power dynamic. I don't see that chugga did anything wrong.

[@Simonsizzle]

He was a 19 year old having sexually charged conversations with a 15 year old how is that not crazy

[@ssgtshep5794]

@@Simonsizzle how is it crazy? Please elaborate.

[@Yapping_Fox]

“19” barely an adult is fucking wild words

[@THSigma420]

I enjoy the fact that we can get to see the two opinions explained well enough to see where Blaster and SFO are coming from.

[@Mario-sc7fq]

Kid talks like he IS the statute of limitations

[@trans_ben_shapiro]

slop slop sloppy slop

[@llcdrdndgrbd]

As a person who was in my 20s in 2010s, it was not normal to flirt with minors knowongly online. Edgy jokes about dead babies and sexual assault? Sure. But talking to underage people online in a sexual manner was well understood to be wrong

[@Aqua-Inferno]

Damn unc

[@basedjenny7362]

Calling the instrumental to a Jay Z an “ethnic beat” is insane

[@darthasavage7213]

So the issue is a senior in high school was dating a freshman ... first not illegal (well depending on state) second IDC, it maybe scummy, but it happens all the time if this is grooming, how? How can you groom a teenager as a teenager lol.. "I dont use this lightly" they're kinda both kids if either of them are kids. Sick of this having to chasing down anything that can be construed as bad by prudes.. there's plenty of actual bad shit that happens. IDK if this even rises to a noteworthy thing.

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

19 year olds should NOT be talking to 15 year olds like this. If it was 15 and 18 then MAYBE it could be excusable, but 19 and 15 is way too much of a difference.

[@Exhiidevoid]

Can tell u used to date the middle schooler while u were a junior in highschool

[@maskedsol6103]

@@AwesomeMooseSmilewait 18 and 15 is ok but not 19 make that make sense

[@slothtreeman4855]

It was not a senior in high school. He was a freshman in college. And whether it was legal or not is important to whether is was wrong for him to do so.

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

@@maskedsol6103 When I was 19 I was in college, and I know 15 year olds that were freshmen.Yeah, there's quite a different gap. Also I didn't say 15 to 18 is magically perfectly okay, I still think it's questionable (and personally I think it's bad) because there's still a gap in maturity there, but it's not as egregious.

[@haydenchevy08]

6 views in a minute Thomas you’re falling off

[@gutterratshinobi4050]

This kid is definitely a general Sam viewer

[@DrDiddler1]

how will this affect the malaysian economy