Was Grading This 1/1 Corbin Carroll Rookie With HGA a Mistake?

[@matthewcook2097]

literally, listening to this podcast is like sitting in a card shop talking to a bunch of collectors. Its so fun just listening :)

[@SpitballinCards]

Oh man, thanks so much!! There’s great compliment. Thanks for listening and commenting!

[@ZiggyNo]

Great conversation. 1st time subscriber. Looking forward to more.

[@SpitballinCards]

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[@joerussell9574]

I just pulled a CC rc rainbow foil and purple foil /799 yesterday out of the bin at the grocery store(2 packs back to back) and now thinking of buying a powerball ticket lol. This has been the best pull out of modern since I pulled a 2019 Vlad jr no number behind a Vlad sr SP back in 2019! Why would anyone go with HGA in this case of the 1/1 wtf?

[@dsphillips16]

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[@SpitballinCards]

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[@bigsmooth7998]

Homeboy should have sent that Corbin Carroll to Luis Molina to get that surface cleaned up first.

[@SpitballinCards]

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[@hughporter399]

A holy Grail has nothing to do with value. If it's a card you really want and go hunting for it's a Grail.

[@SpitballinCards]

Sounds good to me!!

[@RaysLBJScards]

I’m not saying who to grade it from but I’ve cracked 3HGA nines and sent to PSA and I got back 2 PSA tens and one PSA nine so Hga do some pretty good grades

[@SpitballinCards]

I’ve heard that before. But until the resale value gets at least closer to PSA, it’s hard to recommend them.

[@JeremyHutchings-x5c]

HGA also no with others grade more harsh than PSA. Idk if any will catch up to PSA values, I would personally like to see it. No way would I spend a bag on a PSA 10 without having it in my hands to look over, I have seen some 💩 that they coin a 10 when I know other companies would not. I guess PSA is like a Monopoly 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@pje8462]

My grail is a Walter Payton RC. He was my hero as a kid and I had a 4.5 back then. I always wanted a better example. I now have a PSA 9. It's worth app. $4000. I've had some Kobes that were worth more, but the Payton is my grail. If I had a Mantle, Payton would still be the ONE

[@dacryptkeeper6836]

I collected Greg Maddux, so I guess there's no such thing as a "Grail Card" for me!

[@SpitballinCards]

Very true - all his rookies are very easy to find, even in high grades. What’s his rarest minor league card? Other than that, his closest thing to A grail would have to be the 93 Finest Refractor, right? Would you agree?

[@dacryptkeeper6836]

@@SpitballinCards I have a lot of his cards, but even the refractors are too low to be a "grail" card! Personally, I like his 1996 Pinnacle Starburst and Artist Proof Starburst more than his refractors!!!

[@SpitballinCards]

@@dacryptkeeper6836 or maybe a Pinnacle Certified mirror gold? What’s your rarest Maddux?

[@dacryptkeeper6836]

@@SpitballinCards I'm not sure what my "rarest" card is . . . if there is such a thing. But I do have his 1994 Studio Gold Stars that is missing the serial number! My personal favorites are the 1996 Pinnacle inserts and Starburst Parallels.

[@SpitballinCards]

@@dacryptkeeper6836 nice card!!

[@PurpleReign28]

Not even gonna lie. HGA is getting my cards. Havent had a single issue with them, plus the slabs look AMAZING. No minimum orders, not thousands of dollars, I have zero complaints with HGA.

[@SpitballinCards]

Chris here - I’m glad you’re happy! The slabs look pretty good in person, but I’d personally rather take the PSA resale value. Thanks for watching!

[@SuperLuchadore]

2nd year flagship gold fan here.

[@JeremyHutchings-x5c]

I’m thinking there are different ways of looking at Grails. Everyone has their own personal grail and another example would be ‘52 Mantle, ‘86 Jordan, can’t we all agree those are grails to everyone 😊

[@KC_CC]

I agree on the black parallels for RC, especially since I got the JRod in a PSA Gem slab. Enjoy the content fellows.

[@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin]

Nice! That black JRod is a hard grade!

[@SpitballinCards]

Wow!! Amazing card!!

[@GeorgeEarlFranklin]

I have a Lamelo Ball Downtown. It's the best card in my collection and the card I never want to sell. That card is my grail. I Also have a Mark Williams gold Prizm that is pretty close to a grail card of mine lol.

[@SpitballinCards]

Chris here - not a basketball guy but I know what you’re saying. I have a couple Freemans that are personal grails and I’d never sell them. Regardless of value. Thanks for watching!

[@SportsCardJungle]

I think a grail card has to be either a very rare card that is hard to find and obtain or a card that is priced beyond your ability to purchase it at the time. The hunt and the struggle to obtain that card gives the grail term meaning. I think I would trust PSA, SGC, BGS, CSG, and HGA to be able to authenticate any card, so if the card is a 1/1, you should be be able to price it wherever you want as you have the only one in existence. With that said, I would have most likely used PSA to grade it for authenticity, protection for the card, and the most highly recognized grading company for a card with that price point. Rookie cards are going to retain the most value for a card, but I think second and third year cards with a story to them are overlooked and one I would prefer to keep in my PC.

[@SpitballinCards]

I totally agree on PSA. It just seems silly to fight it right now. As far as grails go, I’ve spent over a year searching for specific cards and finally landed them for under $100. Very satisfying.

[@DarinsCards]

My grail card would be a PSA 9 1984 Fleer Update Kirby Puckett XRC. I have no idea what that would cost, but more than I can spend on a single card.

[@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin]

Good call - The big cards from that set are all grails to me!

[@SpitballinCards]

Chris here - as an 80’s kid that Fleer update set was always a grail. You never saw those cards back then, except in Becketts! A psa 9 Puckett will set you back around $300. Good luck!!

[@hughporter399]

If the card is in that bad of shape I'd trying to get a replacement card from Topps

[@SpitballinCards]

Oh boy. Any experience with this? I’ve heard some horror stories about replacements for low numbered cards. If you pull a damaged Super, I think 99% of people in the hobby would tell you to deal with it. Slab it “authentic.” Who knows what topps would send you back! Thanks for watching!

[@hughporter399]

@@SpitballinCards in don't have that experience. I never pull anything good enough to have this problem. Lol. Love the All star show y'all have comprised

[@TheCardDeal]

Grail is based on the person's budget 1st and foremost. Thereafter the rest is subjective. So many labels. 20 years ago we never labeled things. Now it's Gen z, x, y blah blah blah everything in this world has a label, have fun and go after whatever it is you have for a grail and share it with others to enjoy.

[@SpitballinCards]

👍👍👍 Agreed (Chris here)

[@shorebreakcards]

I always thought a grail card was subjective based on the collector. For years, mine was the Vince Carter Sgt. Carter mem/auto from 2000 Fleer Force, I eventually bought it for $200 last year. That card was the product hit, it was advertised on the box and in Beckett, and I ripped two boxes around 2002 looking for it.. Fleer Force was an awesome product but I never hit it. Ive been collecting ever since, but never had the disposable income to pony up to get the card until last year, and i got it! I still think of it as a grail, but see y'all's point. But, if a low income card collector is looking at a grail, their viewpoint is gonna be way different than a collector who goes to the National and has all the connections.

[@SpitballinCards]

That is an awesome story. This is Scott responding, and I had a few specific cards that were always on the mid 2000s Beckett magazine covers and backs that I drooled over and could never afford. Nowadays, I could probably buy them for a few hundred dollars. You may have convinced me to look into it!

[@robertnunnery3697]

Personal grails are relative based on budget and interests. I wanted a nice Trout auto forever, and I finally bought a nice gold /25 Topps 87 design auto this year. It was about $500. For my budget, it was a personal grail. For others it would be a cheap card, and for still others it may be something they couldn't afford .

[@SpitballinCards]

Totally agree with this take - and I love you snagged a nice trout with the ‘87 Topps design. Very nostalgic one for me (baseballcardaddict)

[@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin]

A Trout auto on an ‘87 Topps iconic wood border card? Awesome pickup!

[@shorebreakcards]

I enjoyed the poscast guys, great work! I noticed Spotify is a little behind schedule with YT, is it always going to release later or will it catchup eventually? Thanks!

[@SpitballinCards]

Hey! Thanks for always watching we appreciate it. The KZbin videos and Spotify podcast will be uploaded simultaneously moving forward!

[@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin]

Thanks for the support!

[@andrewnixon7466]

As a Pirates fan the 55 Clemente would be my grail card. By no means rare but a little out of my budget right now. Going to try and buy a PSA or SGC graded card of Clemente every year that he played (55-72). The 55 rookie will have to be the final card I buy though and that will hopefully complete my baseball card collection ……. For now lol

[@SpitballinCards]

That’s a definite grail! Clemente is a great player to PC. Good luck with your project and thanks for watching!

[@sum-tim-Wong]

It’s 1/1 you either want it or you don’t! If you want slabbed then put into a one touch and put a piece of carpenter tape on top

[@SpitballinCards]

Yep, I totally get this POV as well. It’s your card to do whatever you want!

[@sunny8784]

my grail is a bernie williams bowman tiffany rookie card PSA10 . card is maybe worth 100 dollars, which doesn't matter to me, as i was a huge fan of Bernie and honestly the yankees wouldnt have won those world series without him. he is completely underrated and should have been considered into the hall of fame. some may think im crazy, but thats what is great about this hobby... second..people put waaaayyyyyyyy too much emphasis into grading card companies. all of them do a few things, authenticate, and grade the cards condition. it should NOT matter which company they choose. people are insane to pay 10 times the actual card value just cause it says PSA. its getting stupid.

[@SpitballinCards]

That’s got to be Bernie’s best rookie, right? Do you have his 91 topps desert shield? Or the 93 finest refractor?

[@sunny8784]

@@SpitballinCards i dont have either of those cards. just his bowman tiffany and his regular topps rookie card.

[@sunny8784]

@@SpitballinCards i dont have either of those cards. just his bowman tiffany and his regular topps rookie card.

[@michaeldenzer6024]

Hga? Nope!

[@SpitballinCards]

😂😂

[@RaysLBJScards]

A holy Grail to me a card isn’t always about the money it’s about you really really wanted it like when I was a kid I wanted the 89 upper deck Ken Griffey Junior I never ever got it because it cost too much money. My dad would never buy it for me, but when I got older I definitely bought it and to me it was one of my holy Grail cards that shouldn’t have to have a money thing on $500 or $5000 because to some collectors $500 is a lot of money to others $5000 is nothing that’s drop in the bucket But to many people it’s different

[@SpitballinCards]

Yep, I agree with this. I think grails should be subjective to the collector. Different cards can mean wildly different things to collectors.

[@BlindVeganRescue]

Philmington if you only collect a scrub their best cards are worth less than $500. Their flawless 1/1 go for less than $500.

[@Philmington]

I suppose that’s true. Maybe there needs to be a definition of Grail that’s separate from Holy Grail. And the Holy Grail can be more limited/objective. I say this because I think the word HOLY is throwing me off.

[@BlindVeganRescue]

@@Philmington you're associating objectivity with the word Holy instead of subjectivity is my best guess. But even then ...to a true super collector...it's objectively true it's THEIR holy Grail even if it's worth less than $500. Good convo. Appreciate your content.

[@SpitballinCards]

@@BlindVeganRescuethanks for watching!

[@old-schoolrookiecollector1667]

@@BlindVeganRescue a scrub player should probably be called their “best cards” everyone is getting carried away with “grail” cards

[@luckypetercardcollector]

🍀🤘🍀

[@SpitballinCards]

Thanks, @luckypetercardcollector! Appreciate the support!

[@cardboardshowcase]

Thanks for the shout out guys, I appreciate it. As far as my 2019 Acuna run goes, I don’t have the platinum 1 of 1, that’s the only one I’m missing. Unfortunately, I’ve never seen it come up for sale, but if it ever does, you know I’ll make a run at it.👍

[@Philmington]

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[@SpitballinCards]

We’ll keep an eye out for it too!

[@2broscollectibles]

We will keep an eye out as well

[@rockiesinoctober]

You don't think it's worth it to grade a 1/1? Even for the protection?

[@SpitballinCards]

This can go either way. If it’s an especially big card, I think it needs to be slabbed up, if only for the cards protection and authentication. It gives buyers confidence in what they’re bidding for.

[@HarveySidney-r7o]

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[@marketgotitall798]

PSA PSA up charges you for one and then don't even give you an accurate grade it's almost like common sense now that they are doing that. I'm glad he stayed away from PSA there really not that good of a grading company, its just what the people want

[@SpitballinCards]

I think we’ve all good and bad experiences with PSA. For me (baseballcard addict) far more good than bad. But like it not, they’re #1 and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Thanks for watching!

[@NippyNap2]

It would not be a mistake if that new grading company was TAG. All other grading companies use primarily human bias. I will take TAG patented tech grading vs human grading any day for grail and all non grail. Ty!

[@BlindVeganRescue]

This seems organic and not like you're associated with tag

[@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin]

I will definitely be interested to see if TAG grading catches on. I’ve never graded with them, but they sure are making a big marketing push with a huge presence at the big shows.

[@SpitballinCards]

Maybe. But how confident are you that TAG will still be grading cards in 5-10 years? We know PSA isn’t going anywhere. It just feels like the safest grading bet.

[@TheCardDeal]

Someone give Phil a cheeseburger

[@Philmington]

I’ll eat it if it’s laced with Ozempic

[@SpitballinCards]

Poor guy is wasting away

[@vudukrii5883]

Too many times it was said -- this card being graded with HGA would be a hard sell ... TOTALLY FALSE !!!....a 1/1 is never a hard sell no matter if it's raw or graded with whomever...I personally feel there's no need to grade a card at all, especially a 1/1...grading corrupted the hobby & that's facts

[@SpitballinCards]

With the emergence of online card shopping in the early 2000’s, grading was a necessity. Talk about corruption - you ever try to buy a raw card online? How many sellers are honest about condition?? Third party grading removed a lot of shadiness from the hobby, including counterfeiting! Now is it perfect? No it’s not. It’s had and still has issues that need work but it’s always improving. Of course, if you prefer raw cards - to each their own!

[@vudukrii5883]

@@SpitballinCards authenticated a card is one thing which I'm all for, but grading brung a lot of shadiness & pettiness into the business -- ( everybody believes they're cards should be a 10 ... Cross grading ... People more concerned about grades than the card itself .. people grading 1/1's as if it brings more value which it don't 🤦 ... People spending more 💰 to grade than certain cards are even worth ... And outta all that there's still counterfeiting going on 🤷 ... Bottom line is card graders are making all the money 🤔

[@SpitballinCards]

@@vudukrii5883 I definitely agree that way too many cards get graded - I mean just look at the pop reports for 2020 Topps base cards. Absolutely absurd.

[@adequatefisherman1137]

Nobody wants a pink 1/1

[@SpitballinCards]

I think you’re right

[@BlindVeganRescue]

100% a $500 card can be a grail card. Anyone who disagrees is a mook.

[@SpitballinCards]

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[@BlindVeganRescue]

Philmington totally disregarded the very real option that someone close to HGA pulled that card.

[@SpitballinCards]

That’s an interesting possibility!!

[@brandonmartin9117]

Grading with psa they would charge you thousands what a joke psa sucks

[@SpitballinCards]

Lots of PSA hate out there, but the number of cards they grade each month and the sales prices of their slabbed cards speak for themselves.

[@brandonmartin9117]

@@SpitballinCards yeah the masses love them there the worst and most inconsistent grader check out neo comics had a 6 regraded a 10 but hey as long as they resell for more

[@SpitballinCards]

⁠@@brandonmartin9117 Chris here - yeah I had the exact same thing with a 2001 chrome card. Graded a 6. No idea why. Cracked and re subbed and got the 10 we knew it was. Maybe it was a little warped I totally. I don’t know. Happy to get it right eventually. I know psa isn’t perfect - nobody is - but it just seems like grading with anybody else is a waste of my money.

[@johnnylv5452]

HGA 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🦾🦾🦾🦾👌👌👌

[@custum18]

For real collectors there is no holy Grail. Collector mentality never stops. They just move on to the next collection. A collector/hoarder is never satisfied. Itch never stops.

[@Philmington]

Good point. That seems to drives Nat Turner (and many others).

[@SpitballinCards]

The itch absolutely never stops. It’s just lives from One quest to another.

[@rage508cardsngrails]

Bingo 👍🏼💪🏼💯

[@sonnyyang5167]

Imo the Corbin Carroll is worth more in a hga 9 slab than raw. Also, to say that a hga 9 would grade about a psa 6 is a gross exaggeration. *I own one hga slab (purchased already slabbed) and am not a big fan of hga.

[@SpitballinCards]

A slight exaggeration, maybe. Some companies are definitely tougher on surface issues. Chris here - I own zero hga slabs.

[@BlindVeganRescue]

I spent $500 on the Josh Dobbs 1/1 Donruss Optic Super fractor auto. Thats 100% a grail. Cant even be argued.

[@SpitballinCards]

Grails are totally subjective. Congrats on the pick up!

[@Lanatus]

Thank you for pointing out just asking the question is elitist. A $5 card could have considered grail to someone.

[@SpitballinCards]

@@Lanatus chris here - 💯💯💯 Absolutely. If I’m being honest, the card in my collection that brought me the most immediate joy was an Opening Day Jumbo Box Topper. Cost me about $30.