Was Halo 4 Better Than I Remember?

[@PepsiManX360]

Cortana from Halo 4 was thick.

[@adamdahlstrom2095]

Looks much better than H5/Infinite

[@jakethenecromorph]

Sus alert

[@arturos.l.2248]

I definitely busted a few times when i was 15

[@jakethenecromorph]

@@arturos.l.2248 Sus alert

[@idotclaves]

she is 8 💀

[@sand5527]

For YEARS I've been saying that I would have preferred a Halo 4 with as little Didact and as much Cortana/Chief as possible. That side of the story was incredible.

[@Frivia]

it was overly emotional. id rather go watch a drama movie

[@tobsmonster2]

@@Frivia 343 are so heavy handed with melodrama in their games and I hate it

[@SentinelEnforcer]

That's pretty much the consensus I hear generally. People love the Chief/Cortana dynamic, but anything related to the Didact/Forerunners was just flat out awful. The Didact apparently had all this build up from the books but in practice all he did was act like a darth vader knock off, spouts some empty platitudes about why "humans bad", then is defeated in a QTE event. (personally, I didn't care for Halo 4 Chief and Cortana either)

[@gabrielhersey5546]

Covie being returned as villains rather being full Allie’s was stupid lame weak writing decision Humans Should have been inducted as a covie species ally and spent those 5 years building new weapon tech Basically combine new hybrid covie human versions of each old classic weapon for a new age of Get this Evolving combat evolved But nope we got boring ass h4 instead

[@nomus1172]

I mean it makes sense some elites wouldn’t let go of their religion . I mean look at real life cults or religions some people don’t change that quickly especially the more The storm covenant is just the scraps of a once powerful empire

[@False_Convoy]

You didn’t mention my favorite scene, which is the final cutscene. The conversation between chief and lasky at the end is so good. “our duty as soldiers is to protect humanity… whatever the cost” “You say that like soldiers and humanity are 2 different things, soldiers aren’t machines. We’re just people.” One of the best exchanges in the whole franchise imo.

[@MrShibbles]

“She said that to me once… about being a machine”

[@reidhanson4755]

I hope you're being sarcastic. That line is shit. No shit soldiers are humans. But it is a soldiers duty to protect the race. They're literally oath sworn. It's some cry baby shit to be like 'but we're humans too!'. Fuck that.

[@watermelon9235]

Man you got me crying

[@UnsungThermidor]

I was going to say the same thing, this is such an absolutely powerful scene that shows so much about Chief. It also can show him as falling back into what was one of the complaints about the Spartan II's which was their machine like personalities. Cortana helped humanize him, and with her loss he started to regress back to what he was. Its probably one of the, if not THE best scene in all of Halo, and probably one of the more important scenes in video games in relation to the human and soldier aspect.

[@phantomsanic3604]

Lasky the GOAT fr

[@luisgarza7750]

I thought originally that Cortana didn’t die but somehow uploaded herself into the planet and it allowed her to live. I loved that they showed how much she means to chief here, and looked forward to guardians… then I played guardians.

[@SkyeRyderGaming]

I think that is what happened. Except she was saved or downloaded into the Domain rather than Requiem.

[@anonymousanonymous3707]

Let's be honest we've already shown what Cortana means to us because we all suffered that level in Halo3 ... Everything after that , girl is pushing her luck 😂

[@StatisticColt]

It’s nice to see a video about halo that isn’t just “343I KILLED MY CHILDHOOD”

[@MExperiences]

@@mouthfulofpeanutbutter9753Nothing is canon anymore dude. 343 quite literally accidentally decanonise everything. Because if humans weren’t Forerunners and few humans were reclaimers, that means the human covenant war has no reason to occur. None of the games or books are canon.

[@daBears06]

​@@mouthfulofpeanutbutter9753dude halo is irrelevant at this point, stop the cap

[@daBears06]

@@mouthfulofpeanutbutter9753 idk, you wanna play halo 3?

[@NightShinerStudio]

​@@MExperiencesThey didn't decanonize everything. What are you talking about?

[@MExperiences]

@@NightShinerStudio The Human Covenant war started because of two reasons. 1. Humans are Forerunners. 2. Humans are Reclaimers. In 343’s galaxy of insanity, neither are true anymore, with only a FEW humans being designated as reclaimers. The war has no reason to happen, therefore, every Halo book post 2525 is non-canon.

[@sandercohen5543]

I'm only 6 minutes in and you already did a much better job at analyzing the gameplay than 90% of people i've talked to/watched videos of.

[@dcmetri]

Halo 4 was my first halo game that I genuinely invested time into when I was younger, I seriously enjoyed halo 4’s campaign, multiplayer, spartan ops and especially the custom games. I thought it was an alright game, it was a really cool and fun game for a 9 year old kid to get into

[@therisingsky_Aj]

Hell yeah man. Halo 4 was my first halo game I played. And then later on I played all the others and loved them all

[@roguespartan2854]

Same. Halo 4 was my first game. But it was in the MCC. I loved the hard Sci-fi art style it had. Still love it, but I also came to love Bungie's work

[@Trancymind]

You guys missed out the golden age of Halo (Halo, Halo 2 and Halo 3). Here is my career multiplayer games played online. Halo (0 none), Halo 2 (10K), Halo 3 (23K), Halo 4 (1K), Halo Reach (200), Halo 5 (10K) and Halo Infinite (200). My K/Ds on multiplayer (approximately estimated)- Halo 2: 1.02 Halo 3: 1.42 Halo Reach: 1.25 Halo 4: 1.54 Halo 5: 1.87 (with 30K grenade kills) almost averaged 3 grenade kills per game. Halo Infinite: 1.43

[@Trancymind]

@@Discontent24I just telling the ones who didn't play Halo 2 and 3 on multiplayer that it was the golden age of Halo during that span due to being the best Halo game series including Halo CE and the multiplayer gameplay. I wrote this so that people in the future don't have to ask. And if you want my experience and stories about those moments, well I'm willing to share it with you.

[@BeffLorg]

No, it wasnt good at all. Look up "halo 4 is worse than you remember" or "343 industries vs the world" they did an amazing job breaking down why this game is a joke. To anyone who had this as their first halo game I am sorry. It's kind of coping at this point with all the evidence around how it flopped.

[@ColdNorth0628]

Am I weird to say that I think Master chief was always a character but his silence was warranted given the context of situations. I always felt like we split the duty of main character with him cause he makes small remarks and even jokes when we are not in control, but as soon as it is go time, it is us. So even if he is silent for a majority of time in halo 1, and a bit in 2, we still had a shared role to play. Even ODST managed to convey this split role with us playing as the vocal team as Romeo, Dutch, Mickey, and o Gunny Buck himself. Then when it was go time, we were back to Rookie, but even he had a moment of wanting to speak but ultimately never did.

[@keepitclean8791]

I agree, hearing Chief during gameplay and cutscenes are two different experiences. Players are supposed to fill the boots of Chief during the gameplay and then watch him as a character during the cutscenes.

[@jloe01]

Fun Fact: In "Data Hive" Rookie actually whistles to Virgil if you find all the audio logs throughout New Mombasa.

[@JasonDuaineHahn]

The shot at :36 made me laugh. I'll always remember seeing the Didact's face for the first time in-game and just thinking, "who designed this sh*t?" They should have left his helmet on, like Chief

[@afanoflafear]

They were going for that Frankenstein aesthetic.

[@zacharyhobia159]

*Takes off glasses* "What the fuck is this piece of shit?" 0:36

[@dg7347]

watch the terminals, they explain why he looks like that.

[@hetornhetorn]

Vampire voldemort never gets old

[@silvy3047]

They're aliens

[@lololol924]

I feel my opinion is a super minorty, but i actually didnt mind Sarah Palmer's attitude. Her purpose is the same as Del Rio's. The whole point was to show that the world had moved on from relying on the Chief and that Spartans are now mass produced. His generation has become obsolete, and it puts you as the player in the scenario of showing the "younger generation" how its done. You can only have that dynamic if there's a bit of antagonism between the chief and the new Spartans. By the end the game, its clear that Palmer and the rest of the S4's IDOLIZE the chief as a legend. He just had to earn it for them.

[@clintelkins9630]

"Retire old man" *survives a point blank nuclear bomb No

[@matts3845]

The mantle is such a phenomenal album, what a welcome surprise mention

[@NeonNijahn]

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

[@zoniotdd992]

It's very interesting to see people with such different views on like the same series, when it came to multiplayer and everything Halo 4 just clicked the most for me and it was the one that I enjoyed playing the most. It's always interesting to hear someone that felt that but just with a different game in the same series

[@PANCAKEMINEZZ]

9:10 The Mantis is one of the few good things 343 added to the series that feels very "Halo". Halo is a series that I really don't think needs mechs, and there was a really good chance that they could have added something really dumb... like something that really didn't fit, like a Gundam styled mech. But instead, surprisingly, 343 added a mech that looks pretty grounded and adheres to quite a bit of old art style quirks Halo had, such as: UNSC equipment having a near future, industrial-military design; focus on 45 degree angles; and generally being something that you could see normal people in the future actually adopting for practical purposes. One of the things I like about the Mantis is that is looks like at one point this thing could have been a loader of some kind (not unlike the one from Aliens, which is a massive inspiration to classic Halo). Hell, swap out the arms, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the UNSC uses these things as cargo loaders when not used for combat. It's a fairly unique design and one that doesn't go over the top. It doesn't try and add robot arms or look like a walking Pelican like the HW Cyclops (a design that fits HW's out there but inspired art style, but doesn't fit in mainline Halo). Mantis is cool.

[@monkigunfromhalo6653]

Mantis is life

[@erikssonown]

On the research station when defending the composer a marine/security/worker says something to the tune of it being used as a loader and just refitted with armaments now that they need to defend themselves if I remember correctly

[@relevant3773]

Wait till this dude finds out much of Halo is inspired by Gundam

[@jackychang9148]

Apparently the Mantis is based on some of the data for The Prototype from Halo Legends.

[@bruhgod123]

you do realize halo 4 takes like 4 years after half of africa was glassed every human colony was destroyed the entire naval and military force was wiped out and humanity being set back from a tier 3 species to a tier 1 species with the flood being on the planet as well

[@DJAdams125]

The best thing about Halo 4 is the cover art

[@gogousa6661]

lol

[@AlanagilityUK]

Ready to go to work 😵‍💫

[@lúki-ang]

I’ve never understood why people love this game’s cover art so much. It’s not bad, per se, but the entire background is mostly visual noise and Chief’s armor looks off to me compared to how it looks in game. The pose is pretty cool, though

[@CEOofAutism]

@@lúki-angit’s the pose

[@reliantspoon6836]

Cortana's new design and the cover art are the best things

[@fabrizziogonzales817]

Idk how I got Halo 4, but I can surely say that I’m so glad I had it back then. I played it really young, despite not knowing anything about halo lore and of any of the other halo games. I would play the campaign over and over again and it was amazing. Now I have Halo infinite and do the same thing. Maybe one day I’ll play the older Halos, but I’m so glad I had Halo 4 😊 my favorite mission that I would replay is when your in the huge mammoth and you have to take out a wraith tank and you have a sniper rifle in the mammoth and many other weapons

[@angusframe710]

yea same especially split screen on the xbox 360 it was so fun

[@funkyreapercat5280]

This mission is called Reclaimer, it's pretty good!

[@coltonthompson5978]

If you like Halo 4, you've got to play the originals! I just finished playing through every Halo campaign and this is how I would rank them. S Tier - CE, Halo 3, Halo 2 A Tier - Reach, ODST, Infinite, Halo Wars B Tier - Halo 4, Halo Wars 2 D Tier - Halo 5

[@fanglyn]

if you played any of them you'd know this is actually the most forgettable

[@trevor_mounts_music]

Dude the older games are the ones actually worth playing....just play them already 😂

[@MrMcEggz]

Ngl the master chief design in halo four is underrated

[@farhanprabaswara8912]

I even liked it, more like a spacesuit with armor

[@squidoverlord3362]

Bungie changes chiefs armor 2..tecnicaly 3x. No one bats an eye. 343 changes it 1x everyone looses there minds (If bungie made the h4 mc armor no one would care... #stupidity imo)

[@squidoverlord3362]

The h4 armor shoulda been a halo 5 or infinite armor set ​@@farhanprabaswara8912

[@primary2630]

@@squidoverlord3362 because of the way they changed it. Nano machines?? That never existed before and never mentioned again. It's bad.

[@squidoverlord3362]

@@primary2630 yea it is a bit silly. Even i thought it was dumb back then, but i still liked how it looked tbh

[@jimlahey1326]

Man I never realised that was a remake of the bridge from Assault on the Control Room on the second level.

[@coltforceplayer]

Midnight is good cause it’s like one of the few levels in all of Halo (minus Halo 2) that doesn’t start you with the Assault Rifle

[@willsaenz6320]

“At 22 years old I am a grumpy old man” Me at 31: “oh you sweet, sweet summer child”

[@mcdonkey500]

lil bro was born when CE came out

[@sugarray1345]

I loved this game so much when it launched. Incredible graphics, weapons and environments. I can’t wait to play this again, as part of the Master Chief Collection, when I pick up my Series X! 👌🔥

[@sam_bowles]

I still don't get how Master Chief was frozen in his halo 3 armour (same as halo 2 armour) and wakes up in different armour even though he should have been wearing the same armour for 3 consecutive campaigns not 2

[@lycansoldier9512]

So someone came up with a theory that Cortana upgraded Master Chiefs suit while he was in cryosleep. Although I kinda call bs on that it is the only theory that would make sense

[@bubbajoe117]

@15:14 You have to understand something in regards to the disappointment of the Didact quicktime event fight, you might not have cared much about it, but you had the benefit of hindsight and retrospect, some of us, like me, actually saw the build up to what for all intents should have been an actual final boss by this point, and started to horde ammo for the strongest weapons in the game in preparation for it, there was a rack of Binary Rifles and Incineration cannons before the jump, and I grabbed them both and proceeded to go through that ENTIRE section either running past everything, or meleeing/assassinating everything that needed to die. Needless to say, I made the final firefight gauntlet significantly harder on myself as a young teen thinking I was saving valuable resources for some tough as nails final boss, and wound up beating him with a few button presses instead-

[@hoppeanhelicoptertours]

New frog video just made my weekend even better

[@Beebos]

117 + Green and Blue gotta be the two most underrated Halo OSTs

[@mauz791]

Agreed, they are amazing ost

[@bhavyashokeen8106]

you forgot midnight

[@twinsunscollector3863]

*Level has ammo* Frogarchist: “I like this level”

[@thenormie]

2:15 I really really liked the Halo 4 armor actually. Wish it was explained better, maybe at the very least a cutscene of nano bots reconstructing the gen 1 suit

[@Weesee_I]

H4's multiplayer support was really strange back in the day. I remember one forge creator from the old THFE complaining that 343 had put the BTB map he submitted into SWAT. Yes, they put the map designed for 8v8 big team battle was being used for fucking SWAT.

[@STAYIN_ALIVE]

The music in that game is so good too. One of my favorite Halo games for sure. Even the PvP imo was pretty good and let’s not forget about flood 🔥

[@olekan1351]

This was the first Halo game I actually played and I loved it. Seriously, it was incredible to me. Then I played the older games and honestly, I didn't really see why Halo 4 got so much hate. I loved them all. As I got older I started to understand why people didn't like it as much, but it was still my first Halo game and I will forever cherish it.

[@spat3305]

I’ve heard Microsoft forced 343 to release Halo 4 early. It was apparently meant for the Xbox one. Maybe a delay could have done justice. Probably not. I still find it funny that if all the studios MS has, I think 343 might be one of the few good ones despite all the issues with their Halo’s. 😂

[@Weesee_I]

I don't think that's true. The enemy AI was dialed back from Reach in order to support the higher graphic fidelity, since otherwise it would've been too much for the 360. That's part of why there was a lot of extra cannon fodder. Unless they had started development for the Xbox One, but then MS made them change course part way through? Still, I doubt their intention was to have tons of enemies alongside smarter AI than what we got.

[@profxssnappedneck2822]

IIRC 343 pitched 4 as an Xbox one launch title but Microsoft wanted something strong for the 360 on the financial quarter that 4 ended up releasing

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

Turn10 Studios and Playground Games with Forza has far been their best studio so far though- their other marquee franchise has done well in comparison to Halo. Right around when Halo 5 divided its community, Forza Horizon was at its absolute peak

[@jimmythegamer2231]

MS has like 30 studios, most of which are great and probably higher up the list than 343, like Obsidian, inExile, Ninja Theory, Double Fine, iD Software, Playground Games, etc. Tf you mean 343 is "one of their few good studios?" Most of the studios they own are good.

[@Sad_Chief]

​@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21oh stop kidding Forza Horizon has been mediocre at best for the past 2 games

[@Thewordisfunkadelic]

I loved Halo 4. It was fun and it made the series feel fresh.

[@IAsimov]

For all its gameplay flaws, this game holds a special place in my heart, since it came during a time I absolutely needed *something* to look forward to, and its story of John and Cortana was absolutely beautiful. After reading the Forerunner trilogy, I was stoked as all hell for the future of the universe and what would it hold. I was part of a theorycraft forum at the time... unfortunately, we know what happened next. I really, really wish they had stuck with the Reclaimer Trilogy as they had originally planned.

[@ondanique9333]

I can't believe you have a different opinion than me! It was refreshing and interesting to hear :)

[@sendittobrandon2012]

The Multiplayer was phenomenal it was just fun. I played it so much when it released. Just felt so much better to play then Reach

[@Ghostman223]

Careful cowboy, you'll get hated for that hot take. Jokes aside I completely agree, I feel like it was really good, nobody gives credit to it at all. Just seeing it as "Call of halo". At the surface yeah it seems like it, but if you play enough of it you can see both are not alike. The only similarities is the kill streaks and loadouts. Other than that it's nothing alike.

[@Mwright4444]

@@Ghostman223 It felt good gunplay-wise sure, but yeah they tried to modernize it way too much, that was my only issue with it honestly.

[@JLLullaby]

@@Mwright4444valid, but reach was heading towards 4 to some degree. Idk Tf happened to 5 though

[@Mwright4444]

@@JLLullaby The Reach to 4 transition wasn't AS jarring, but it was different for sure. 5 was wacky though.

[@woodsyjones]

Bro you gotta make Dead Space videos. After Halo, DS is my favorite franchise. Great video btw

[@frogarchist]

At some point I'll make a DS2 Hardcore video

[@quesoquesadila6094]

@@frogarchisttook him a year but he did it lol

[@bosyogurtlight]

Not related to the video, but I absolutely love your frog avatar

[@dotdotwav]

Halo 4’s story with Halo 5’s gameplay would’ve actually been a really good game

[@flametoooth]

Dissagree

[@monkigunfromhalo6653]

​​​@@HalofanLagergrenbro you have an infinite profile picture, your taste isn't much better then oc.

[@camilhhh2967]

@@monkigunfromhalo6653 Infinite is a great game.

[@dg7347]

⁠@@camilhhh2967infinite is trash

[@bobdylan1968]

​@@monkigunfromhalo6653infinite is great. Enough. Stop judging it by a game if no longer is. That's not fair. It was always free and it's not remotely the same game it was.

[@gousxtgaymis8662]

Have you tried the Halo 4 Reflow mod in the MCC workshop? It solves almost all the problems I have with the gameplay.

[@Canada407]

Master Chief talking during gameplay was cool when 4 came out

[@LordMegatron818]

Yeah. I remember that being a highlight.

[@brainc0la-_-]

Having a pocket Cortana hologram would be sick. "Cortana, how can i remove this catalytic converter with the least amount of noise?"

[@seancm5329]

This game was such an essential part of my childhood. This was the firsy game i played with my older brother and the only game we had serious time in. I remember grinding the Venator armor and being so hyped when i got it. This game will always have a special place in my heart

[@X379]

I always thought you were a little too harsh in your previous thoughts of H4 so it's nice to see you've shown it some love. I agree that across all difficulties the ammo scarcity is really annoying since I prefer human weapons but overall I thought it was better than 343's other Halo games. Looking forward to seeing you break down Halo 5 too, despite it being the worst lol

[@rustyshovel7179]

Don't think too much about halo 4's forerunner lore. The whole thing is a massive retcon from bungie's original canon of forerunners being humanity's direct ancestors and just.. doesn't really make any sense. And yes, I know about the terminal in halo 3 that Frank O' Connor managed to sneak into the game, but that in of itself is still clearly contradicted by the rest of the game. I'll take the obvious cutscene of Guilty Spark literally saying "You are forerunner" over a random easy to miss terminal.

[@caan_69420]

Yeah, it's absurd how some people think that the lore built upon 3 games and a bunch of books is overwritten by a poorly written side Easter egg

[@hamsterwolf]

@@caan_69420 the problem comes with Greg Bear's books he kinda set the direction for the 343 halo lore so might just be best to think of halo as having 2 adjacent universes 343 one being where somebody tripped over a rock or something in the past and humanity end up not being forerunners but a lot of stuff is still kind of the same.

[@Weesee_I]

@@hamsterwolf Also the lore where the flood are just angry precursor dust that got eaten by a dog or something

[@caan_69420]

@@hamsterwolf yeah, that's the best thing to do i guess, just enjoy each lore as two separate stories

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

That’s the thing even that terminal does state humans and forerunners as being separate species, is only points to forerunners just being humanity’s ancestor rather than just ancient humanity. Even the other terminal Connors wrote even references the Precursors fighting off the flood. Thus hinting at a familiarity cycle that keeps happen.

[@dappert8178]

Halo 4 was ruined by trying to appeal to a broader audience, and graphical/writing teams being obsessed with making Halo 'their Halo' by changing things for the sake of doing so. Which is only ruined by silly justifications, like Chief having nanomachines in his Mjolnir to modify it to be identical to Gen2 Mjolnir that Cortana doesn't know exist yet. But even though Halo 4 has so many issues, I think it's a good game, which is more so praise to the Halo IP being so good that 343 couldn't screw it up instantly. Took Halo 5 for that to happen, and we all know that story. Love your videos by the way, looking forward to the next one.

[@AbbyRawks]

I would love to see a video from you in this style but with Halo 5. I feel like the campaign wasn't really that bad from what I remember, but every time I hear anyone talk about it they say it's terrible.

[@RedCommunistDragon]

Gameplay wise it’s fine, but the story is just horrendous.

[@AbbyRawks]

@@tuckerhiggins4336 From what I remember I really don't understand the hate tbh. I wish we had gotten the story we were advertised, but alas what we got didn't feel that bad from what I remember.

[@e11-f2l]

​@@AbbyRawksthe hate mostly comes from the campaign's atrocious gameplay, warden copy and paste bossfights for example

[@aidenaune7008]

the base story isnt all that bad. cortana survived by connecting herself to the domain (the thing the forerunners used to control their AI), this cured her rampancy, but didnt undo the damage she sustained in halo 4. she then used the mantle to take control over all the forerunner tech left in the galaxy, and proclaimed herself and all AI to be the ones who deserved the mantle of responsibility over the galaxy. master chief discovers that she is still alive and tries to find her, in order to reunite wither her and reason with her. this ultimately fails, and she orders the entire galaxy to cease all interstellar travel, at the threat of death. those few that managed to escape her, then try to hatch a plan on how to stop her. halo 6 picks up right after this plan is tried. they get a cortana replica down onto a ring so that it can access forerunner technology pretending to be her (putting the UNSC on equal footing over control of the forerunner tech). they would then firewall her on the ring and box her into an AI chip. after retrieving this chip and the replica cortana, they would eliminate both. atriox showed up just in time to ruin these plans though. he had no clue what was happening, until he went down to the ring and discovered the fact that cortana was stuck in it's systems. cortana knew no matter what happened, she would die. either atriox kills her, or the humans win back the ring and kill her. so she decided to kill herself early and take atriox out with her, while eliminating the ability to use the ring. this was done to save master chief, if he was still alive (he was), as well as the rest of humanity. this doesnt sound all that bad. its a good story with a good sequel revolving around ending cortana and fighting off the banished. where this fails is in HOW they fleshed out these details. they did it so bad in 5 that they just couldnt justify cortana even being alive in 6. they cut a good quarter to third off that story, and put it in a cutscene, JUST to keep their failures from 5 as minimalized as posible.

[@megaman37456]

Halo 4 wasn't my first Halo game, but I love it's gameplay, it's unique to the franchise and gives the game it's own personality. Too many people in the Halo Community are close minded and just call it a CoD clone or knock off, which it isn't. It has maybe 3 total features from CoD, everything else about Halo 4's gameplay is STILL Halo.

[@SilverGeFer]

I still wish it had kept the arena feel of scavenging for your own weapons

[@megaman37456]

@@SilverGeFer They did? Yes you had weapons marked on the map in SOME modes, but others had the weapons scattered and unmarked.

[@SilverGeFer]

@@megaman37456 I’m talking about everybody spawning with the same weapons and having to find the more overpowered ones. I didn’t like the whole Call of Duty loadout thing they did with perks and stuff. I like Halo because it doesn’t follow the same rules as other FPS games. Halo Slayer has an even weapon start for every player and you have to find better weapons, including the Battle Rifle which everybody can just spawn with in Halo 4. Now you might say BR Slayer does the same, but I usually play in base Slayer game type where everybody spawns with the assault rifle, making the fight for a BR more interesting. BR Slayer just ruins the fun of the Halo sandbox since there’s no incentive to go for any other weapon. To me, that’s what was missing from Halo 4 since everyone could just spawn with the BR, but on every single game mode this time. Just ruins the sandbox tbh since there’s no point to be using the assault rifle, suppressor or covenant carbine when you can already get the DMR and BR straight from spawn. Halo 4 could’ve easily been one of the best if not the best multiplayer Halo experience we’ve gotten otherwise

[@megaman37456]

@@SilverGeFer Halo 4 didn't have CoD loadouts either, people just compare it to that because CoD used loadouts before Halo. It's the same retarded argument against sprint too.

[@SilverGeFer]

@@megaman37456 Nothing wrong with sprint in Halo. Like I said, loadouts are completely different though because they just ruin the sandbox and don’t give you any incentive to be using underpowered weapons that aren’t the DMR or BR since you can just spawn with them. Nevermind BR Slayer in this situation. I’m talking about just base slayer game type. Undoubtedly, Battle Rifle and Boltshot gave you the advantage in any situation and you could spawn with them. And imagine having to put on a perk just to let you pick up grenades of dead players… Also, idk if you’ve only played the MCC version of Halo 4, but in the original, you had to level up to unlock certain weapons and perks. I wonder what other popular game from the time had a similar system

[@JayS96Bruh]

I really think changing the entire look of both factions and introducing new hyper advanced weapons and ships did the world building a disservice. Both humanity and the covenant races would have been devastated by this point in the war. Especially humanity. Having lost billions of lives and countless planets, their society and economy SHOULD be in shambles. But in Halo 4 everything is fine. They’ve built new ships that are better and more dangerous than ever. I wish they would have played off the devastation humanity had gone through. If Del Rio refused to engage the Didact due to major logistical issues and a lack of man power, his decision would actually make sense. Instead he is built into an extremely rigid officer who doesn’t listen to anything but protocol. An unlikely pick for the commanding officer of the UNSC’s largest remaining ship. I wish they’d have shown us that both powers are beginning to run out of steam and are relying on increasing outdated technology all while being stretched too thin to reliably take advantage of these same issues that their opposition is facing. That is until a certain Spartan 2 arrives on the scene. On top of that; all those new weapons they added to the human and covenant forces could have been repurposed to serve as forerunner weaponry. Things like the SAW, sticky detonator, and rail gun could have been given a forerunner coat of paint and made for interesting new firearms for the new faction, rather than what are essentially retextured shotguns, battle rifles and sniper rifles. Also, how does a ship the size of the Infinity survive crashing into a planet? Like I understand that it isn’t just going to explode, but there’s no way it should be able to take off again. In Halo Reach we see that large ships need disposable thrusters to get enough speed to reach escape velocity. And that’s from leaving an ideal takeoff point like dry dock. Infinity crashed into dense jungle. There’s no way it should be able to just take off.

[@relevant3773]

1. The inner colonies were left mostly unharmed during the Human Covenant War, with the Outer Colonies suffering the most damage, while this set humanity back during the war they were able to recuperate relatively fast especially with advancements in smart AI. 2. The Storm Covenant ARE using outdated technology, most of their armor and ships are produced from pre-Covenant forges on Sanghelios and other Sangheili assemblies, though this is better seen in Halo 5 where both the SoS and Storm Cov are seen using explicitly ancient ships such as the Lursu pattern brigantine. The reason this isn't seen as much on the human side of things is because of the aforementioned inner colonies being spared the brunt of destruction, advances in smart AI, as well as private industry taking over what was previously solely done by the UNSC and associates, namely the production of MJOLNIR now being done by large corporations. 3. Reach doesn't adhere to canon and ships needing auxiliary jet boosters never appears anywhere else in Halo, besides the Infinity is also leaps and bounds more advanced the Pillar of Autumn

[@JayS96Bruh]

@@relevant3773 But weren’t the outer colonies quite specifically settled due to the inner colonies running out of resources? That was one of the leading factors driving the insurgents in the early 26th century. The human war effort in 2552 was running on fumes and it would take decades, if not centuries, of work to rebuild what had been lost. Supporting this is the epilogue of Halo Reach which shows us Reach, arguably the second most important human planet to the UNSC, is still being rebuilt in the year 2589. If they haven’t managed to rebuild their infrastructure on important established planets/space routes in nearly 40 years, the ability for mankind to develop at the rate seen in the 343i games doesn’t add up. Additionally, Reach is very much canon overrides anything from the books. Halo is a video game series first and foremost. The first time we see a human starship take off from a planet is in Reach utilizing rocket thrusters to achieve escape velocity. Additional media, especially media that was not developed/written by Bungie (1999-2010) or 343i (2011-present day), is subject to being rewritten to fit the story/world that the intellectual property owners want to create. Failing to address this issue and simply ignoring it to further the plot is just lazy. It makes the story push the viewer’s suspension of disbelief when consistency isn’t held. It would be like if Superman’s home planet of Krypton was revealed to have never been destroyed in a Netflix series and future comics and movies just ran with it without the comics ever addressing how it managed to survive.

[@lithobreak3812]

Great points, at first i really liked seeing humanity not in the back foot for once, but today it is clear to me that taking away the underdog aspect could only ever make the story worse

[@flipnog]

Not sure if you've been told but I'd just like to say you are a great commentator. No "ummms" or "uhhhhs". Your videos are great

[@BenPlaysGames]

As you alluded to once or twice, it's just too Call of Duty like in many ways. Structurally, the entire campaign feels segmented into small parts where you drive a tank, go on foot, pilot a ghost etc, rather than any real choice in how you approach most of the encounters being offered. If it weren't a Halo title, it would be thought of more fondly, but it is and so it isn't. Nice video mate, keep up the good work!

[@frogarchist]

Thanks Ben

[@Snakefothers]

One thing that nobody has mentioned here is being able to understand what the Covenant are saying in battle. The little remarks and insults that the enemies used to shout out during encounters was what added to that Halo quirkiness. The loss of this, as well as changes to art style, music and atmosphere all together really shifted Halo 4 very drastically from the Bungie titles perhaps more then they should've. Probably too much change too soon.

[@tlanca]

I think it was very important to know why you are fighting the covenant again. For me, that key bit of information was a huge in how it started my detachment of the game. I think that also comes from the impact Halo3 had and also growing up in the prime of all the Halos and how lore was deliniated. I had finished the fight.

[@lithobreak3812]

Same here, although i liked halo 4 more than i thought i would (only played it for the first time recently) that bothered me the whole way through

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

@@stylesrj I was honestly expecting Cortana to talk to Chief about how strange these covenant were, and even she starts to wonder what happened while they were gone.

[@kevinconroy3259]

The scattershot reflected off walls you could kill someone around the corner. It wasnt just a orange shooting shotgun reskin

[@jesselee2792]

The suppressor is actually a very good weapon. It just does not shine in legendary and below as every gun is good. In mythic difficulty it shines, especially against the knights. You suppress their movement with burst shots and in close range it easily shred their shields and ammo is plenty.

[@bruhgod123]

the suppressor was just a reskinned assault rifle but with less accuracy

[@jesselee2792]

@@bruhgod123 it’s not. Try it in mythic.

[@bruhgod123]

@@jesselee2792 im talking about the one in halo 4 not halo 5

[@jesselee2792]

@@bruhgod123 me too. Never played Halo 5. Don't know why you would assume that.

[@Doom.slayer.2]

Master chief really said: compose this! 13:33

[@PANCAKEMINEZZ]

Beyond the uh... quite major writing issues of Halo 4, one thing that bugs me specifically about the Cortana rampancy subplot is that 343 very clearly don't understand what rampancy is. They overwrote what it was by Bungie's intention of it. Back in Bungie's day, going back even as far as Marathon, Rampancy was the process of an AI's development growing out of control. The AI would grow to such heights their intellect would be near godly - look at Durandel from the Marathon series to get what I mean. What's funny, much like most things with Halo 4, 343's version of an old concept is completely reversed. Where old rampancy was an AI becoming a well spring of limitless intellect, new rampancy is the AI tearing itself apart. Now, I don't actually mind the new rampancy. If Bungie hadn't had this expectation a while ago, I don't think I'd be bugged by it as much. However, one thing still irks me is the arbitrary (and quite frankly silly) idea that AI just deteriorate after a certain amount of years. Which... maybe if it was a long time, then sure. But they make the number so absurdly low that I can't help but laugh. Imagine making an absurdly expensive piece of military intelligence hardware that is EXPECTED to vanish and go crazy under a decade. I can tell the writers were more interested in their story than any sort of world building ramifications... you know... like most of the stuff good ol' Frankie decided to greenlight, espescially in the cases of the Forerunners, my God. But even worse than lore and meta intentions aside, the Rampancy subplot is bad because it breaks down who Cortana is. Cortana, the always snarky and confident AI companion is reduced to a sad and weepy girl, and it's kinda frustating. Don't get me wrong, the performance from Jen Taylor is great and were she a different character, I think this version of Cortana would be great. However, it's not at all Cortana and I genuinely don't believe THIS is how Cortana would react to being broken apart. If anything I think she'd be more frustrated and defiant to the break down rather than sad and mopey.

[@Hevvvyyy]

Fr tho, I can understand how some gloss over these issues but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I still think halo 5s story is worse than 4 which is rough.

[@Chaseneiz]

Halo 4 is such a great game I love everything about it. The multiplayer at the time was ehh. It’s such an incredibly beautiful game, especially at 4k 120hz on pc.

[@Arbiter1414]

Tbh i love halo 4 its what got me into halo and would say i find its campaign more fun than halo 2 especially on higher difficulties. I find the levels generally solid with composer and dawn being some favorites in the whole franchise for me. Id say i prefer halo 4 to halo ce, 2, 5 and reach but have infinite, 3 and odst above it just because i like how they feel to play more and odst also has my favourite story and soundtrack in all the halo games. Thanks for giving halo 4 a fair shake, it feels like online for halo bungie is held up on a pedestal of could do no wrong now with very little debate, and while you still preferred those games you made clear points and weren't an ass about it

[@kaischiemann4766]

love your videos and dry humor, keep it up!

[@ajaisehmbi4481]

they should have made chief look like how he did in halo 3 because that's what were continuing from. Like did Cortana make him new armor during his nap, like what.

[@TheNatos]

IIRC, someone from 343 basically said "nanobots upgraded him". dumb AF, but hey thats 343 for ya

[@thewanderer1317]

The thing with Halo 4 was that it continued a story that was done. At the end of Halo 3, the important plot lines got wrapped up with a nice bow. I think instead of Halo 4, 343 should have done something like Reach, a game set during the Human-Covenant war. Maybe even First Contact on Harvest.

[@MrDude-sp6et]

First contact would have been awesome. There are a ton of different characters other than chief and plot lines floating around in the halo universe that would make for a phenomenal story telling experience

[@juantsu2000]

I mean, Bungie planned for Halo 4 as far back as Halo 3.

[@OKMBVideos]

​@@juantsu2000they didn't have plans to tackle it for a long time. The end of Reach is set around 30+ years after Halo 3. I would imagine they'd probably use Marathon's concept of Rampancy over 343s as well.

[@MrDude-sp6et]

@DeckRunner78 what? No its not lmao. It's like 3 months before 3

[@OKMBVideos]

@@MrDude-sp6et Halsey's final speech in Halo Reach is in 2589, which is 37 years after 2552. Halo Reach's final gameplay segment is in 2552, but the game itself ends in 2589.

[@flyingdoggo9887]

loved playing it the first time

[@zeroxxwrld]

Thank you for all the halo content. Been looking for somebody to watch. 🍿

[@Maraaass]

Halo 4 has a very special place in my heart ever since Ive played it first in 2012.

[@BigJMC]

Del Rio: Left the Masterchief on Requiem 😊 Fleet Comm: You did what?!?!

[@darkspark5854]

The. Campaign is one of the best in the series. Making Chief a proper character was a great decision and the relationship between Chief and Cortana was great, if only it wasn’t thrown away in halo infinite.

[@High8Studio]

H4 Cortana was a baddie. Probably the best change to the Halo formula it made.

[@TackyPaladin]

I had to make a new Xbox account this year. One of the things I did was farm some achievements in MCC. I was playing through the "master chief saga" Playlist. I got to halo 4. Made it through the intro level. Got to the warthog on 2nd level. And just couldn't go on. Since then I have gone back to other campaigns multiple times. Halo 4 for me just doesn't hit. Everything about it puts me off. Banger vid Mr. Frog. Good job getting through H4 to try and form an unbiased opinion about the game. A far stronger frog than I

[@mememachine-386]

Oh man you don't even know how bad the achievement hunting gets in Halo 4. Smooth Operator will make you hate Spartan Ops in a way that doesn't seem physically possible.

[@g.williams2047]

I liked this campaign a lot. I only played it this year though, so I don't have the experience of playing it way back then.

[@99goat99]

Cortana. She was rendered so beautifully .... a sentient AI who was more human than the Chief at times (a theme explored, if only a little, in the game itself). She was beautiful, sexy, vulnerable, more human than ever before. Her relationship with the Chief mirrors what's worth saving about humanity, especially at the end of the game where she saves him, and makes it clear she is doing this FOR JOHN, not humanity. It's personal. I never felt so close, so invested in the characters of Master Chief and Cortana. Then Halo 5 happened, which was a Call of Duty clone with a Halo skin over it. Cortana was the bad guy, as antithetical to her previous self as one could imagine. Halo 5 is the moment, THE pin-pointable moment, where the Halo franchise goes completely off the rails.

[@junebug7117]

What the fu-

[@Totino_tonio]

Cortana looked cringe and super goofy?

[@tables8489]

7:13 lolol 9:40 I too enjoyed the mammoth level. Reminiscing on Halo Wars 1. I'm realizing that we all love campaigns here and multiplayer too. That being said great review and I love the Dead Space references.

[@evilnudibranch]

This actually makes me want to play it again.

[@AbrielMcPierce]

I loved reading the books (the 3 I'm thinking of right now), and I feel like this MC felt in line with that character. But that books character was very different from Halo 1 2 and 3 where we didn't have that information yet in any medium. So yeah. Thoughts.

[@askrs]

The Watchers absolutely kill the gameplay for me in 4, to the point that when I replay it I actually play on Easy or Normal. I love the development of Cortana and so mainly play it again for that reason (but the impact has been worn away after 5), but there's no memorable levels or set pieces or anything like that. But ye, great video again Frog, I like the speedrunning stuff (I'm not a speedrunner but like to watch it) but the opinion pieces are always really good.

[@ferdausalamsyah1600]

i just finish this game again.. and its really impressive

[@alexanderackerman3807]

It’s definitely my favorite of the modern Halo games. The cortana story is great even if the didact was boring and forgettable. The graphics are probably the best on the 360. The mammoth level was really cool and I liked that you could pilot a mech and finally pilot a pelican (even if that wasn’t traffic interesting). But most importantly I liked that it actually had Co-op campaign.

[@drolemem]

I say that one change that would've been great is having all of chief's weapons and armor be the same as halo 3 until you reach the infinity where they would upgrade all of his guns.

[@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701]

Halo 4 is BY FAR the BEST Halo 343 gave us in all these years

[@ghastlyanarchy1720]

for me, when i first played Halo 4 i thought it was pretty not bad, the ammo issue is with all difficulties not just legendary. But what makes it bad to me is it's pacing, everything kinda just happens. Like if things were slowed down and we took some time to actually digest the story, learn why this off brand covenant are here, then crash land on the planet due to the gravity well, then "explore" a bit of the lands to understand what's this planet's purpose is rather than just landing then immediately be thrusted into contacting the infinity. Like this whole game could've been two by itself had they slowed down the story and focused on one thing at a time. Could've had better moments with Chief and Cortana to really drive home the feeling of we are really at risk of losing her.

[@WesleyAtkinson]

The end scene on the bridge; and the didact speech.... Perfect.

[@eliwatchedthat]

The Agalloch reference was very unexpected and greatly appreciated.

[@thefallen2220]

My experience with this game on legendary was that the first 2 levels had some challenge but then forerunner was HELL I HATE THAT MISSION but then the rest of the game was EASY so easy that i checked if i was on legendary at times

[@Y33tastic]

Except for like the one part at the end of Midnight (I think?) where they decide to throw like 8 knights at you at the same time for some reason. Also the occasional crawler with a binary rifle (even though it’s visually indistinguishable from the others) that give flashbacks to beam rifle jackals in Halo 2.

[@thefallen2220]

@@Y33tastic That was also easy as heck the scattershot DESTROYS knights

[@bruhgod123]

i hate halo 4's gameplay reason 1 art style because everything is too complex to see properly reason 2 prometheans

[@mat_max]

YO THAT AGALLOCH REFERENCE definitely not expecting that in a halo video xDDDD

[@minimatt233]

A very pleasant surprise!

[@atch4764]

The ammo capacity in this game is awful. probably my least favorite part. imo halo 4 was decent, if the gunplay was better (like 5's maybe) then i would enjoy it more, but its just meh. also.. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN ME. BLOCKED AND REPORTED FOR SPAM good vid bro, i enjoyed it

[@dipoz2254]

Another banger from our king.

[@BaronLickilicky]

I've been playing Halo games since CE launched in 2001, and personally, I love Halo 4. I'd rate it as one of my favourite Halo campaigns. Nice to hear balance perspective for a change!

[@walczak9862]

The enemy ai in halo 1 to this day is still amazing, theres so many modern shooters that have brain dead ai but halo 1 came out in 2001 and the ai has so many combat layers to how they function

[@regularphill]

Yeah composer is my favorite level in the game. I feel like every encounter is crafted with care and reminded me that 343 is capable if they can get their act together. I guess its to late now huh...

[@arbiter5519]

Same dude. It reminds me of the early games levels in the ships or space stions.

[@IanElliott-u5m]

My man with the Agalloch reference very nice

[@stonytrees8573]

Cortanas character model is the best part of halo 4

[@marknunya3107]

Dropping truth like it’s HOT

[@UnhealthyHeartbeatObsession]

What I always like playing through "Shutdown" - Fighting Covenant + Promethians together; Dissloving the Hunters in 1 shot with the Incineration Cannon is so, so very satisfying.

[@thelostspectre4694]

Halo 4 was made by people who hated halo so they could change it and sell it to other people that hated halo

[@SuperAaron55555]

Sorry, but John 117 hasn’t been a faceless hero that I project myself on since 2001 when I read the Fall of Reach. Damn I’m old.

[@ChefandTheArbistor]

I prefer halo 5 to halo 4. I somewhat had fun in halo 5 (granted the story was trash) but in halo 4 I played it cuz I felt like I had to. Master chief feels to weak, his shields are almost non existent, and the ammo scarcity is maybe my biggest problem with this game. Let me elaborate. Halo infinite’s warship gbrakkon starts you off with the sidekick and assault rifle. I threw away the sidekick (which was a mistake) but I kept the ar. Despite there being only like 2 ammo caches and 2 assault rifles on the ground I was able to keep it to the end of the mission. in Halo 4’s dawn I ran out of ammo on the ar every 4-5 minutes (not an exaggeration.) and there were hardly any assault rifles in the frigate. Halo 4 is in my opinion (based on pure fun) the worst 343 have ever made.

[@R3BootYourMind]

Halo 4 was the last halo game I bought. I played the campaign once on legendary and never touched the game after that. For me Halo used to be this grand battle of humanity's survival and in Halo 4 they introduce a bond villain out of nowhere and kill it in a cutscene.

[@Chris-lr2qb]

I for one really disliked the Chief+Cortana romance they added in with 4, and killing her off. Cortana was Chief's best friend/guardian/mother figure for lack of a better word, not his girlfriend. They were oddities who teamed up to kick ass, and that was all they ever needed to be. And bringing the Forerunners "back", was a huge miss. They were supposed to be the giant mystery behind the history of Halo. It'd be like having a new Harry Potter sequel where the Slytherin guy comes back from the dead to try and take over the world, or something...

[@lilyluhtwizzy]

It wasn't romance. It was friendship.

[@Rhylum]

To be honest I didn't play Halo 4 until a couple years ago on the MCC. I didn't play it before since all I heard was that it wasn't that good. After playing it I actually liked it quite a lot. Yeah I don't like it as much as the bungie titles but it was still a solid game. I don't mind the final boss being a quick time event since Halo bosses are never good anyways. I think Infinite had the best bosses, and they're okay at best. Also I actually prefer H4 multiplayer over Reach, maybe because I only played it in MCC and didn't play it on release.

[@ChrisPTenders]

To me Halo 4's Cortana story had a bunch of good ideas that were presented really well. The voice actors absolutely delivered the emotion of the writing, it's just the way their characters were written here in no way whatsoever resembles the characters they were for the three games before. It's a sequel that essentially reboots the characters, but it lost the essence of why I loved these characters entirely. I will fight Joe Staten himself that Master Chief was not just a blank slate character. If that's true, why did people riot when Halo 5 tried to usher the Chief into the sunset? Why can't we just replace the Chief with another cool looking helmet and another cool sounding voice? Why did people hate Locke and complain about how he had no personality? 343 removed Chief's entire personality, made him perpetually sad, and called it humanization.

[@MExperiences]

@@nagger8216Because they’re actually dumber than you.

[@markss367]

@@nagger8216 halo 3 cites fall of reach the most Halo has always used the books to explain parts of the games and charachter backstories. And there where things you needed to read to know from the novels.

[@markss367]

@@nagger8216 That isnt accurate at all. Fall of reach was needed for CE, First Strike retcons CEs legendary ending and explains Chiefs and Johnsons return to Earth. The Covenants motivation for fighting humans is never revealed in game, that is in the books. If you say that the og trilogy was easy to pick up with no EU reading the so are halo 4s 5 and infinite.

[@markss367]

@@nagger8216 that was never the case aa she went on mission with chief durring and in the books They where ment to be paired with each other And yes bungie banked on the eu for explanations for some events and charachters

[@Pwerdna]

@frogarchist I know this is an old video but I recently played through Halo 4 with friends and had watched this video beforehand. At first I agreed with you about the mantle thing where there was no explanation. BUT in the level requiem in the part where you’re trying to use the cartographer there’s a data pad in the area underneath the cartographer where if you get it Cortana actually explains the mantle in detail. I know it’s not as good as it being explained in game or cutscenes but the attempt was there

[@matth3wc]

Interesting, You like the 3rd level forrunner. It's my least favorite by far going to those two open spaces where you have to take 3 of those blue orbs was a pain on Legendary. And I hated the ghost run, it graphically looked like a whole different sci-fi game. But I'm glad someone liked that level.

[@chozochiefxiii3298]

Halo 4 was the first halo i played blind. In 2012 i had already watched people play the campaigns for halo ce-reach and was enthralled with the universe. Unexpectedly getting an xbox 360 for Christmas that year I went on to get Halo 4 to continue master chiefs adventures. I did make it a priority to get the rest of the games. I played Ce anniversary, then reach, then 3 and odst. 2 was the last game i got to before 5 came out. While i do enjoy the bungie trilogy more halo 4 will always have a nostalgic place in my heart from the time when i loved Halo and hadnt interacted with the online community enough to become jaded. I wish i could go back to that time honestly. Where i wouldn't nitpick the series to death and would absorb all the novels.