Was Hannibal A Hero?

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Hannibal was a great general, but did he have what it takes to be a hero? Should we wish that ancient Carthage had beaten the might of Rome?
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[@stollstoll1691]

Sir yes sir

[@numbers8908]

Sir yes sir

[@johndorilag4129]

Hannibal is overrated

[@annunakim525]

more roman stuff pls sir

[@Cba409]

If Hannibal cant take on Russia then Ukraine is truly doomed. I hope you all got the hint.

[@Grunttamer]

I bet someone could make a graphic novel about this

[@richardcranium5329]

It’s been made lol

[@MrHazz111]

And release it this century

[@tomhirons7475]

@@richardcranium5329 when is it due out ??

[@Quicksilver_Cookie]

@@tomhirons7475 Due? Like a few years ago, give or take.

[@bogdanovist]

Bet they could try at least...

[@tehpanda64]

As someone who measures heroes purely on their ability to march elephants over the alps: I'd say he's up there with the best of them.

[@mhovar101]

We got an hour long lindybeige history video. We are so back

[@olleolausson]

Are you a drainer?

[@ramixnudles7958]

​@@olleolaussonI've got a 30' snake...

[@olleolausson]

@@ramixnudles7958 Almost everyone I meet says that you are a pathological liar so I don't think so.

[@ramixnudles7958]

@@olleolausson I'll nevertheless fix your drain. I will charge extra, and I will wear my extra-large plumber's jeans.

[@junefranklin458]

@@olleolaussonu drane u gane

[@clonemarine1]

Stating the obvious here, but 5% of the population means that one in twenty Roman citizens died at Cannae. Statistically, if you were a Roman citizen, if you hadn't been one of those who died, you probably personally knew at least 3 or 4 people who died at that battle. That's gonna mess you up mentally.

[@leonardomarquesbellini]

Specially when you consider who's actually fighting. It's not a lottery that selects people at random, it's mostly people from a specific demographic that go die in wars, so for survivors from that particular demograaphy the relative impact is even greater. It's known Tolkien and Lewis were both WW1 survivors and (not so coincidentally) went on to become authors of great renown in Fantasy. But they weren't the only young people who, before the war, were interested in that genre and were in fact accompanied by many other prospective writers from the British universities' circles, most of which died there and never got the chance to write and find huge success like those 2 did. Similarly it's a macabre anecdote that the university of Istanbul took quite a few years to graduate its first medical doctor after the war even though students were allowed to resume studies where they had stopped, simply because almost every last student who had been enrolled in the medicine course when the war broke out died there ir were otherwise unable to resume studies, so the university needed to start everything from scratch again.

[@lollerkeet]

It's not just Rome though - there were Latin allies also fighting. Going by the population of the city-state, rather than the greater confederacy, is a bit misleading.

[@Leo-ok3uj]

That 5% being estimated as 20% of the adult male population

[@khankhomrad8855]

Terrible, isn't it? It wasn't only Rome who blead, but also its allies. Lole Lindy showed, Rome and its allies had an incredibly deep manpower reserve and the willingness to keep going no matter the costs.

[@cr-pol]

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[@stigfries]

Now this is the kind of content I absolutely want to watch.

[@VilleKivinen]

It would even be a great idea for a graphic novel.

[@JohnM-cd4ou]

Yes, it feels like eons since he's done content like this

[@davesmith7432]

You’re right! This is what YT is supposed to be

[@jaymz6473]

I've skipped most of Lloyd's recent content if I'm honest. This is why I'm here.

[@VilleKivinen]

@@jaymz6473 I've watched all his stuff ever since he made points about slings and Greek helmets, except for the Q&A videos. I'd certainly like to see more of these hour long lectures from him.

[@SephonDK]

He's a hero in the old Greek sense. His story and the drama around him are awe-striking. With the many years past what he did, it's one of those things where you can sit and read about the guy and get pulled in. And him being a complicated or dangerous man doesn't matter in the older sense. Heracles was completely terrifying in the og mythology.

[@leonardomarquesbellini]

Heroes are fun because they're as good as fiction to us. Actually having yoir own real life caught up in the actions of people who go down in history probably feels a whole lot worse.

[@doomdrake123]

My thoughts exactly.

[@lc1138]

I deeply agree.

[@svon1]

yeah in a Greek sense it makes sense but modern view, ah hell no, the wars he started for revenge are just nuts, and its not like "they killed my family" revenge, its petty "they gave us a harsh treaty" revenge after we had a war with them

[@markmorris7123]

​@@svon1errr, petty?? Rome practically went to war and conquered the whole known world.. Hannibal had to go to war with Rome.. For eventually Rome would have brought the war themselves..Rome was a pure military state.

[@singami465]

while i do think some of his decisions were quite Graphic, you cant underestimate his Novel tactics

[@georgebaggy]

Your words are quite illustrating

[@Dexroid]

The way you describe it, I can almost see it with my mind eye. It's comical how clear you make it.

[@Zakalwe-01]

Thanks for drawing my attention to this. I was wondering why my wallet felt so light while watching this video.

[@Mockerpot]

Please don’t mention the war

[@MrSuperpiff4]

you really Kickstarted my brain with this one

[@cameronw6541]

Finally some of his good old fashioned content!!!

[@cr-pol]

it has also been a while since we have seen a Lindy dance on this channel.

[@Buggsy1061]

So basically, Hannibal was human? Flawd but brilliant, intelligent but violent, a soldiers general and his enemies worst nightmare. A hero to some and a villan to others... Just like every "hero" from antiquity?

[@uncletiggermclaren7592]

You forgot to exclude King Arthur from that, but that was merely because you understood everyone would know you meant to. Right ?.

[@Buggsy1061]

@@uncletiggermclaren7592 well apart from the tact that Arthur was al legend, and no one knows if the real man even existed, no o didn't forget to exclude him Arthur. He too was, if he ever took breath, human. And as such was flawed.

[@uncletiggermclaren7592]

@@Buggsy1061 Ha , that sort of logic is fine for lessor men like Charlemagne and Washington, but you know perfectly well that you can't include Arthur in that group.

[@MustyRacoonDelta6]

​@uncletiggermclaren7592 Keep our first president out yo mouff. George was the first man to rule the best country on earth. Keep your Hannibals and Arthur's we don't need them because we had G'd up Washington.

[@uncletiggermclaren7592]

@@MustyRacoonDelta6 Well, enough people spoke well of the man at the time, even nominal "enemies" called him a Gentleman and the soul of Probity. I will grant you he was a Good man. But he was no King Arthur.

[@JohnM-cd4ou]

FINALLY Lloyd again uploads an hour of historical spergery that we all know and love him for

[@brenttrotter88]

These are his best videos. Nothing better than an hour long rambling on a subject.

[@shurdi3]

I knew him for 7-10 minute long videos about "A point about" and weird rants about children smoking and saying no to a dance.

[@leonardoaguilar7343]

Poor Hannibal, he was just trying to destroy Rome is all.

[@vacuousbard6410]

Yeah. Those damn Romans sure hated fun, didn't they?

[@lynneframe3390]

Victim then?

[@joundii3100]

That's exactly what makes him a hero.

[@SuperFranzs]

Good riddance! What have the Romans ever done for us?

[@ASlickNamedPimpback]

@@SuperFranzs the aqueducts?

[@ragingassassin6659]

I suppose my "search of Hannibal" content has finally come to an end... for now

[@smoothcast6940]

I swear that's exactly what I thought

[@lubue5795]

These are the videos I follow this channel for! Long, rambly video of a historian about a historical topic based on facts with a ting of personal inputs. Thank you for uploading again, Lindy.

[@1988rastafari]

+1

[@peterkemp8633]

​@@1988rastafari plus another one

[@danithefoot633]

Finally a long form Lloyd

[@craigrobbins2463]

He is a rather clever man though. His short form is very compelling too.

[@Alfenium]

George Lloyd

[@johnknox6023]

@@Alfenium what did you mean by this...

[@niono1587]

I love me long form Lloyd

[@The_Gallowglass]

Finally a long from Lloyd? That's what she said?

[@jamememes4114]

3:24 "You've got to pay your mercenaries, everyone" best advice I've heard today 🤣

[@neilwu3912]

Russia: hold my vodka, where are my exploitable minorities?

[@cookingonthecheapcheap6921]

I'll be buying the graphic novel as soon as it is released. I've been following you for years, and I can't wait to give some more back for all the entertainment you've given us. Cheers Lindy.

[@rcrawford42]

One of my favorite -- if gruesome -- passages from "Ghosts of Cannae": "By way of approximation we can consider each Roman weighed 130 pounds-they were lighter than modern men. Then there would have been well in excess of *six million pounds of human meat* left to rot in the August sun-the true fruits of Hannibal’s tactical masterpiece, at least for an air force of vultures." O'Connell, Robert L.. The Ghosts of Cannae: Hannibal and the Darkest Hour of the Roman Republic (p. 222). Random House Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

[@tj-co9go]

really? that is so low. average american male weighs 197,9 pounds. which is over half more than the Romans weighed.

[@ALEXBOWN]

​@@tj-co9go People who eat all grain diets without quality proteins do not grow tall.

[@PeteOtton]

@@tj-co9go If I remember correctly the average US service man weighed in at about 150 lbs.

[@listrahtes]

​@@tj-co9go You can't compare average weight of an overweight inactive nation to infantry soldiers. Compared to their physical training regime look up SF soldiers and most have a very lean built as that is the most helpful on the battlefield. Also romans were quite shorter. They were around 165-170 in height. 130lbs at 165 is a very fit healthy weight with an BMI of around 21

[@Robert399]

50:48 This is something that really bothers me in movies and *especially* video games. In action movies/most games we often have the attitude that only important characters count as real people. I especially hate when games have you kill an army's worth of soldiers/security guards/"thugs" for token gameplay then present you a "moral" choice about what to do with the boss who's actually responsible. Can you imagine if your boss was secretly a child trafficker or something and some action man kicked down the door, shot you and all your coworkers, cornered your boss, then had the gall to say, "no, this isn't justice, I'm not a murderer, I have to bring you in."

[@lukasg4807]

Like any of the batman games. The shit he does to the gaurds would definitely kill them, but taking out joker to save a bunch of lives is too far.

[@stevenjohnson4190]

​@@lukasg4807davros calling the Dr for genocide when that was the pure intention of the darleks.

[@Marwolaeth01]

Serves us right for working for a bad guy. I mean, come on, obviously we all know what happens in the lives of people we work with.

[@olddirtybasterd-ex2vb]

@@Marwolaeth01 Come now... Most ALL workers find themselves employed out of necessity and not want. Only a small percentage of humans have a career they want.

[@ilari90]

@@lukasg4807 Well, bruce is a crazy nutjob at times

[@stormboss57]

I am glad you are still making such content Lloyd.

[@lopedeaguirre1]

So basically, this can be distilled as "he's not a heroic figure because he lost in the end." But that just makes his story seem tragic, almost romantic. I'm not sure if this thesis holds up. You could argue any heroic figure fails in the end because all glory is fleeting.

[@pallandoromestamo8861]

How ironic, that you describe Rome's greatest enemy as *roman*tic :D

[@keithagn]

LONG time watcher, first time commenter: this is the type of topic I love to hear you discuss (history),and your views of it. It was what first drew me to your channel, and got me to subscribe. Please carry this on! Thank you! Regards from Canada 🇨🇦

[@pepearagoneses6908]

Goddammit, Lloyd! You put a one-our video out the minute I'm going to bed? I guess I'll have to stay up now!

[@davesmith7432]

Me too😂

[@jonnaylor3154]

And me!😎

[@stephenkayser3147]

Thank you Lindybeige for this marvelous effort. At your best. Please do more of these.

[@patrickholt2270]

I feel like Carthage's cause was nobler than Rome's. Carthage was a colonial project, but it wasn't an imperialist project in the same way that Rome was. They had entirely different modes of production I think (yes that's Marx's term, yes he was right about most things, get over it), but also completely different antecedents they revered culturally. Rome revered the barbarian past of the Latinii. They prized warlikeness and brutality as cultural values. They wanted to keep Rome warlike and violent as a means of strength and national security, but also just because. They modelled the Roman Republic on Sparta more than Athens, hence the dual Consulship, modelled on the Spartan dual monarchy. The Republic was proudly an Oligarchy, in the Greeks's categories, not a Democracy like Athens had begun as and continued to claim to be long after it had actually been subverted by its richer families through the practice of Sophistry - PR and Spin Doctoring in modern terms, to get ahead within the Athenian Assembly regardless of the rights and wrongs of anything or who had the better character or talent, as Socrates got sentenced to death for exposing. The Senate of Rome was the same way with the Optimate families, but with more political violence, and the Oligarchic nature of it was explicit instead of disavowed - only aristocrats could stand for election to the Senate. So the Roman Republic was militarist and expansionist from the beginning. Carthage on the other hand was a trading colony of another city: Tyre in Phoenicia (Lebanon). Carthage's purpose was to police the maritime trade in the central Mediterranean, and make sure that Iberian silver made it safely across the Mediterranean to Tyre to pay off the tribute that Tyre had to pay the Assyrians. They were about trade, not seizing land and expanding their population to produce more soldiers to conquer more land with in a vicious cycle like Rome's. You could almost say they were bourgeois, whereas the Roman ruling class were unproductive landowning aristocrats who lived on rent. Carthage's peers (who all lived in equal sized, if high-tech and luxurious, houses) were merchant capitalists, with only a fraction of them running farmland as landowners. That was one of the reasons that Carthage was so often betrayed by its allies and the colonies it had founded the same way it was founded. They were not conquered subjects like Rome's provincial allies. Rome's allies had been through the process of military defeat and brutal subjugation, that was then relaxed in return for loyalty and taxes. They were too traumatised and afraid of Rome's revenge to switch sides, no matter how successful Hannibal was. They knew that the Carthaginians couldn't be relied on to provide a permanent garrison to protect them like Rome did, because they were about trade, not territorial expansionism, and were a naval power, not a populous nation with a big army. Culturally the Punics were an ancient civilisation, preserving the learning and sophisticated agriculture and trade networks of the Eastern Mediterranean dating back to before the Bronze Age Collapse. They were Semites who had invented the first alphabet that replaced Cuneiform for record-keeping. As the other civilisations of the central and eastern Mediterranean collapsed after the Sea Peoples came through sacking all the great trading cities until they were defeated in Egypt, they were the first to recover, in the Levantine ports where some of the Sea Peoples had conquered, settled and been assimilated into the native Semitic, Aramaic culture instead of just raiding and moving on, and had preserved the written culture and technology, and then had gone on to create coastal colonies (towns) all over North Africa and the Mediterranean coastline, wherever the Greeks didn't get there first. Rome was relatively new, only founded in the 8th century BC, and frankly pretty backward culturally and technologically, until much later after having conquered peoples like the Carthaginians and the Greeks who were more advanced and civilised than they were. So yeah, it would have been better for everyone else in the western and central Mediterranean if Carthage had won instead of Rome, in terms of freedom, independence and the economy, and because the cost of Roman conquest was mass destruction and mass enslavement, whereas those under Carthaginian hegemony were trade partners and diplomatically respected instead of totally subject to direct rule from Rome. Carthage directed the trade, protected by its navy, and made sure to make the greater profits, but all of their allies, colonies and trade partners profited on the maritime trade also, and didn't lose their independence. If I'm right, and this was what Hannibal was fighting for, and it was Roman militarism and imperialism he had been taught to hate, then his cause was just, and it was the bad guys who won, and surely being on the right side is part of what makes a hero.

[@Ghostrex101]

Great insight 👍🏻

[@patrickholt2270]

@@Ghostrex101 Thank you!

[@chazaktyler]

This is the only chanel for which I always 'look forward' to the sponsor section and I am never disappointed.

[@jayartstudios]

Love your videos, Lindybeige!!! Videos like these have awakened in me a new love for history like no other, please continue with the amazingly interesting and informative content!

[@MrMRmik]

Love your hour long history lecture videos, Lindy. Great stuff.

[@roydonovan9063]

Brilliant Lloyd, back to the kind of video that made you so well loved. Keep 'em coming.

[@bodhibra6988]

Your videos are so easy to understand and follow, you explain things nicely that actually make sense, that’s why your my fav channel to both watch and listen.

[@marcusb4044]

Thank you a thousand times! I started watching you when your fire arrow video came out. Your my favorite KZbinr I miss the history. Again thanks!

[@nader50752]

Great video! 🤗 However, since you announced your novel, I started and finished 6th form, graduated from university, moved to Italy, worked there for a year, moved to Germany, and worked here for the past 2 years. Still no novel though. 😢😢😢

[@puliturchannel7225]

You capitalist whiner... "All to me at once" kind of attitude.

[@thoughtsuponatime847]

Yes. But have you conquered Italy yet? I think the illustrator needs some inspiration. Would you mind giving it a go?

[@nader50752]

@@thoughtsuponatime847 I'll try 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

[@Peter-oh3hc]

Thanks!

[@PaulojnPereira]

This is the sort of content where you really shine Mr. Lindybeige. Thank you!

[@RahnekGaming]

Finally! A long monologue just between you and the camera, just what I’ve been missing! Thanks Mr. Beige

[@Gilgwathir]

"Written by an actual human" I can't believe that this has become a necessary qualifier 😭

[@technoman9000]

Verbs are dead

[@FringeSpectre]

Welcome to the Information Apocalypse. In a very short time, you won't be able to trust ANYTHING you see in the media, or online in general. Unless you see it in real life, you simply won't be able to trust it. Pandora's Box has been opened, and there's no shutting it.

[@max-zv7sf]

We are in the future, but it turns out that the future is awful.

[@fransmars1645]

How do we know your comment was written by a human? Or this one?

[@hoegild1]

Great to have Lindy back! He has made far too few "Talking about history to the camera" videos this year.

[@iansalgado3663]

Where is your graphic novel that you told a 17 year old version of me it would be out next year!?! I’m 24 now!

[@nunyabizniz94]

Finally, another lengthy historical video from Lindybeige ! I love these.

[@Harold7308]

What an original way to address the fascinating subject of the punic wars! Who needs Gladiator 2 : were you there? What we need is a series about the second Punic war! Or a comic book indeed!

[@Lassisvulgaris]

Ah, yes. A battle of puns.....

[@brockbolt7885]

Recently started binge watching the history series. Amazing to find a new one out right now! Wonderful stuff.

[@zachstanton8945]

love to see another long lecture!

[@gloomfiend]

Dont know if I would call him a hero, especially after learning that he ate the liver of that census taker with fava beans and a nice chianti

[@kanutahytomka4542]

its pronounced chianti

[@dogwalker666]

Silly that's the wrong Hanibal, He was actually the leader of the A team, 😂

[@P-Mouse]

maybe if it was a Malbec

[@Febeleh]

I mean, it's a census taker... an agent of the tax-man. Fair game when you take that into consideration.

[@infidelheretic923]

That's meant as an especially cruel punishment reserved for those who have committed some perceived evil offense. As a point of comparison. In the Chinese folklore story Outlaws of the Marsh, the heroes cook and eat a corrupt official alive for his repeated attempts to capture them and thwart their plans.

[@TheLegoJungle]

Where is the VOTE ?

[@VosperCDN]

Perhaps a hero is needed for finding this "vote here" post he refers to - I can't see it yet, at time of writing this reply.

[@robertbruce7686]

'Twas a ruse on Sir Lindybeige's part methinks....

[@boldCactuslad]

maybe the real vote is in our hearts

[@rockinroddys]

It got buried down the list by the downvotes: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3zCc4SHZrJsa5I&lc=UgzViag4YOT26hL65SB4AaABAg

[@rockinroddys]

You have to copy/paste the link because yt chops it. Or just scroll down long enough and find it that way

[@MBTIinRealLife]

I like this channel so much. Been watching it in and out for 4 years. I absolutely loved the earlier videos as much as the newer ones.

[@suburbanbanshee]

Campbell's hero journey: 1. Pick out specific style of story about coming of age 2. Bash some famous stories until they fit 3. Ignore all other heroic stories and myths 4. Profit! And of course, the pagan ancient world was looking for heroes to be ancestors to whom one sacrificed and built altars. Or appeased because they might be angry.

[@patrickholt2270]

It's also a genre of myth that teaches messages about how to overcome fears, become a man and seek greatness if you have the advantages to be able to do so. In that myths are always moral, theological and wisdom instruction packaged in story forms for ease of transmission, for the benefit of people who otherwise wouldn't listen.

[@skirata55]

Glad to see your classic hour long historical vids again, it's why I subscribed originally. Keep it up, you're among the best of the historytubers.

[@DrZip]

@28:30 Why did Hannibal do that out of respect for Marsellus? -Because... he URNED it.

[@johnnyjolijt2]

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[@languagegame410]

excellent video!!... thank you for creating & sharing this.

[@alantheinquirer7658]

The literary hero is an ideal that very few real people live up to. This is why true heroes in fact are outstanding.

[@ChIGuY-town22_]

Great video! Thanks for your hard work, Lyod. Have a great week, everyone.

[@madchillaxin8505]

Nothing better than an Lindy story

[@JBo77]

Yes!!! Some Lindy history I have been waiting for this day for so long.

[@thomasfairhurst1212]

i have two phones, i can hear the audio on one of them but not on the other lloyd is my favorite youtuber ever man this is awesome

[@Jango1989]

Yesssssss!! I've been waiting for history videos for years!

[@lindybeige]

VOTE HERE With this comment (and not the video itself), we can decide between us whether Hannibal was a hero or not. If you wish to register a vote in favour of Hannibal's being considered a hero, click the thumbs-up to 'like' this comment. If, on the other hand, you think that we should not consider him a hero, then click the thumbs-down icon on this comment to 'dislike' this comment. Note that this vote is not between 'hero' and 'villain' but is instead between 'hero' and simply 'not hero'. Oh dear - well KZbin is not letting me how the number of dislikes, so this isn't working as I had hoped. I have set up a 'community poll' for this vote. I think that in order to vote, you have to subscribe. Would it be worth it? Only you can decide.

[@lilacheaven222]

You could make a community poll. We can't see how many people voted "hero" vs "not hero" otherwise:(

[@chrisrubin6445]

are you able to see the amount of thumbs downs? and youll tell us?

[@TheWaffle654]

All these factors to consider, and I'm still so unsure. I've read Livy and Polybius, and goodness knows how many other retellings and recapitulations of the punic wars, and every time I find myself rooting for him; and everybody I know personally who knows of the stories feels the same way. I do not know if he is a hero, but I can say for certain that he is the protagonist of the second punic war.

[@python27au]

From what I’ve heard he was a fantastic leader and strategist, he might have even been a nice bloke, by the standards of the day, but I wouldn’t call him a hero. Too many people died for too little.

[@symmetrie_bruch]

i vote for releasing the graphic novel. i only vaguely followed the whole thing due to beeing interested in the subject but not in graphic novels. so i was really surprised to see people in the comments saying it´s still not out. hasn´t it been almost a decade now? and then releasing a video about that topic and not even a word about the kickstarter? lol that´s hannibal levels of brazenness.

[@zaguitoblackbeard]

I haven't studied this topic well enough but the idea that the second punic war kickstarted the growth of the Romans is really interesting and worth of research. Thanks and great video Lindy

[@Bauke1234]

We are back with the hour long history lessons! I really missed those! With the risk of sounding like a spoiled brat: If I might be so bold and suggest to maybe also discuss Zama at some point (besides the one on if it happened). Thanks for the vid Lloyd, that will get me through monday.

[@rubenskiii]

Damn Lindy you've outdone yourself. Reminds me of your video about sleep, one of my all-time favorites. Warm greetings from the Netherlands🇳🇱!

[@carltonbauheimer]

The audacity

[@CaptainBogroll]

He said he expects it to release this year, perhaps that caused him to make this video

[@Leo-ok3uj]

@@CaptainBogroll Fucking finally

[@wowdude8710]

I really enjoyed the advertisement but this go around. High level of quality and classic lindybeige cheek

[@thedandyzebra]

15 years at war, in enemy territory, being able to maintain that size and diverse of an army, and winning is freaking insane

[@swayback7375]

Hero or not, it seems a very impressive feat… capable as he clearly was, he didn’t do this alone. To me it seems this topic is dripping with that old, outdated and disproven “great man” idea…

[@leonardomarquesbellini]

That would imply there's heroism in killing. All of that is astounding and difficult to achieve, no doubt, but all it ever accomplished was hundreds of thousands lives cut short and many more carrying physical and emotional wounds they likely never fully recovered from.

[@Andrew-yl7lm]

​@tokul76But they weren't all mercenaries speaking 10+ different languages somehow efficiently fighting, communicating and staying loyal.

[@thedandyzebra]

@tokul76 you are overlooking many things such as him being outnumbered over 2:1, and his enemy was Rome, not a bunch of smaller states like the Mongols mostly faced

[@thedandyzebra]

@@leonardomarquesbellini where did i imply anything about heroism??

[@Big_Not_Good]

I needed this on a dreary Monday morning. Thank you!

[@gustafprates2170]

I’m ‘in search’ of all graphic novel comments

[@joek600]

@@sassenspeyghel4155 not exactly cause they didnt pay in advance lol

[@jhtar]

​@@joek600Some actually think they did by buying the first books...

[@MrSuperpiff4]

@@joek600 oh wanna bet?

[@m3cht1tan53]

We missed your long videos Lindy!

[@walsingham-xxiii]

About time. Literally and figuratively.

[@hakanlinn3874]

Love these long videos, always great!👍

[@scottturner3831]

Generally 1 person's hero is another person's villian. It would greatly depend on whether you ask Carthage or Rome.

[@Robert399]

That's kinda the problem though, that we judge people by allegiance, not character, intentions and consequences.

[@willboucher5397]

A bit too simple perhaps. You could be from Carthage but think that Hannibal should be spending his money on the people and the state rather than pursuing a family vendetta...

[@burgundian-peanuts]

@@willboucher5397 Yup. The Barcid family had many enemies in Carthage.

[@DJRockford83]

Alexander the Great, loved in the West, hated in the east and often described as having horns like a demon (probably reference to his helmet plumes)

[@max7971]

@@willboucher5397 he was a general. He spent the money Carthage politicians allocated to him, and whatever he, as a private individual, had. You can recall that after Carthage stopped funding the war Hannibal’s campaign came to an end soon after.

[@Peter-oh3hc]

I like to think i have a little knowledge of a lot of things. Then I get shown these large gaps by someone with a depth of knowledge and understanding that is just staggering. Thank you.

[@DJRockford83]

Love how you mention heroes having a mountain to climb and completely avoid his trip over the Alps at the start 😂 "this is what we call in the business, foreshadowing" - Count Dankula 😂

[@fullyverified7491]

so glad youve done another one of these videos again!

[@Robert399]

It's a real indictment of human nature that we treat people with good stories as good people. (Edit: not a comment about Hannibal specifically. Alexander "the Great" on the other hand...)

[@wookieboss2643]

Great people understand sometimes you have to do bad things for the greater good . There is no good or bad in war .

[@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump]

​@@wookieboss2643Crug answer. What " greater good"

[@crbielert]

Alexander the Reasonably Adequate.

[@Robert399]

​@@wookieboss2643 I agree with the first sentence but not the second. Key word "sometimes". It's all about the specific cost and benefit, and what it's all in aid of. There are instances when force is necessary and/or good. But benefitting one nation, leader, culture or people at the cost of another simply because you belong to the former is not enough to be good. And doing so at tremendous cost in lives is bad in all but the most exceptional circumstances.

[@wookieboss2643]

@@Robert399 it is folly to put today's principles and morals on a different time period . What's good for one side is bad for the other so good or bad doesn't matter , greatness can be measured easily though . A villain to Rome is a hero to Carthage

[@davidalves236]

Long form history content from this man. How I've missed this.

[@walker1812]

I had other plans this evening. They are ruined now as I’m going to sit here and enjoy hearing your opinion on Hannibal.

[@marc6851]

Finallt a *true* lindybeige video again thank u so much this type of videos i truelly love this

[@DieBieneFranz]

It's a mystery to me why modern hollywood, or others in modern days, never made a movie about the hannibal and the fate of carthage and the phoenecians. This story, which really happened, is much more intense than gladiator or other "historical" hollywood movies like that imho

[@John21WoW]

don't worry, they got you covered, get ready for black hannibal pretty soon...

[@DieBieneFranz]

@@John21WoW hahaha for sure. Perfect setup for the woke ideologic world view of white roman suppressors and the african victims. For sure Hannibal won't be historically accurate to transport their narrative like in every disney movie ever in the last years. That's why I'm wondering why they didn't do it yet xd

[@alanjefferson1127]

Three words: "dumb it down."

[@giorgi5675]

Please Lloyd, more long-format videos like these!

[@firingallcylinders2949]

Welp save to watch later, I know what I'm listening to at work tomorrow

[@baronvonboomboom4349]

Oh nice, one of my favorite Historical Military Figures. Can not wait to see what's in store.

[@SporeMurph]

Something quite wrong with those casualty numbers as a percentage of population. For the Battle of Towton, 11,000 dead out of a (actual) population of 3.3 million is 0.3%, not 1%. For the figures of the Battle of Cannae, if 60,000 is the number dead and that were 5% of the population, that would mean the population of the Roman Republic was only 1.2 million. This is almost certainly an undercount. The estimates that I've seen suggest 4 or 5 million people in Roman Italy at the time. Not to mention their other colonies. So the actual casualty rate at Cannae is probably more like 1% to 1.5%.

[@RolftheRed]

Still more accurate than any modern politician, or Newsperson - nonetheless. (grin)

[@lifeschool]

The most current estimates are around 1 million inhabitants at the height of the Roman Empire. Romans didn't even hold the whole of modern Italy back in -216. They had from Rome downwards, so perhaps 60% of modern Italy. The Romans lost 1/5th of their male population at Cannae, if we say 60-70,000. So that would be 700K inhabitants total.

[@lc1138]

​@@lifeschoolooh I didn't suspect the population to be so scarse. Which territories does it take into account into the million ? The whole empire ? Oh boy it must have been radically different to be so few on the planet.

[@NICHOLASPASIN]

​@@lifeschool 1 million in Rome alone, you must certainly mean

[@williamberne]

When you guys used the words like population and inhabitants, do you mean roman citizens? Have you counted the slaves, whose population is a few times more than the citizen?

[@theal1n]

Ancient history and a long video. I missed you so much!

[@EvMund]

I didn't expect you to have the nerve to publicly utter the name "hannibal" until your book comes out

[@cryhavocandletslipthedogso1873]

He really should communicate the progress a bit more, but you guys are really impatient

[@PatrickOMulligan]

​@@cryhavocandletslipthedogso1873are you joking?

[@EvMund]

It was slated to come out mid 2017.

[@cryhavocandletslipthedogso1873]

F**k, it's THAT bad?! And that much time has gone by? Okay, fair enough guys. 7 years is plenty for a little bit of impatience

[@thotmorrison2649]

literally lay off though, he may have very little influence on when it is published at this point and have no new info to provide

[@OdisraFlyrunner]

A great video! Thanks for making it.

[@allpaths4836]

Hannibal without a doubt was the underdog when he keep on handing Rome there ass and still cant win the war and you loss one battle and it winds up with you losing the war. Your an underdog.

[@ProductionsDiratia]

We want more of this please!!!

[@lilacheaven222]

I'm so early the video doesn't even have sound

[@lilacheaven222]

Also the format is borked! It shows a 1:1 format

[@lindybeige]

@@lilacheaven222 Strange. It plays fine for me.

[@miserychannel69]

@@lindybeige .. me as well.

[@jonnaylor3154]

Hero.😎

[@lilacheaven222]

​@@lindybeigeit's fixed now! I see I wasn't the only one experiencing the issue though

[@loso8381]

A 1 hour Lindybeige video about Hannibal??? This has to be a dream!

[@adonoghuea02]

Unless he's from the Hero region of Alexandria, he's just a sparkling good guy

[@Andy_Babb]

Love these longer videos

[@thoughtsuponatime847]

I can’t find the vote comment so I’ll put it here. Yes, I would tentatively call him a hero. I generally don’t value war or generals in the ancient world. The Punic wars were an incredible waste of life. Carthage wasn’t in existential danger at the wars start so Hannibal wasn’t acting in defense. So Hannibal’s career choice doesn’t win him many points compared to a scientist, kindergarten teacher, fireman, doctor, ect. But I would still call him a hero. He seems to possess all the qualities of one, had he be put in a situation where he was needed. If my country was under threat, Hannibal is precisely the sort of man I want to help.

[@informationstream6513]

Whether or not a hero... Hannibal was such an interesting man in such an interesting true story that much more movies and such should be made out of him.... He is therefore currently underappreciated.

[@georgeptolemy7260]

What happened to that comic you were doing about the punic wars? I spent over 100$ 8+ years ago and i aint got shit.

[@BlakedaBull]

I think Rome won

[@admiralyawn3106]

@@BlakedaBullbro spoilers. I haven’t gotten there yet

[@More_Row]

He’s still working on it

[@TheSparda81]

As I understand it, the script (lloyd's part) is complete. All that's left is for Mr. Chris Steineger to finish the illustration, and then publishing.

[@silver4831]

​@@TheSparda81Wasn't he finishing it years ago?

[@BenjaminEmm]

Lindy is so back!

[@WalterLiddy]

By 'bad things', he means they do a Number 6 (Blazing Saddles fans will recall).

[@zer-ok9sn]

Awesome stuff Lindy! 👍

[@dan_mer]

You actually believe the advice Hannibal gave to Antiochus was selfless and honorable? Hannibal intentionally destroyed the Seleucid Empire by consistently giving Antiochus terrible advice hoping he would start a war against the Romans.

[@magnificentname]

How do you know it's intentional, and what would he gain from destroying the seleucids?

[@vuurbeker030]

What happend to lindy who are you, why didn't this imposter go on an hour long tangent!( Great video thank you! )

[@Kozu604]

Good classic Lindy content, glorious.

[@gs9976]

Hannibal was a hero because he made the Roman Empire

[@longshotkdb]

Ah. I'm only half way through, just pausing to make coffee and say a big "thank you" Story time to unwind... Love it.