Was I WRONG About the End of Xbox?

[@FANTAVISION]

Thanks for watching and liking! What do you think the future holds for Xbox?

[@karkatvantas7820]

WHEN THE FUCK CAN WE STOP PAYING 60-80 WHEN THERE IS NO PHYSICAL COPY OR PACKAGING.

[@FANTAVISION]

LOUDER FOR THR PEOPLE IN THE BACK! I completely agree, they save so much and pass none of the savings on to us.

[@Zeivusgaming]

Never. That was the lie

[@cyphaborg6598]

They do when you wait for it, it's always you that spends the money.@@FANTAVISION

[@agentsituation1034]

Get a PC you bums. Physical media? What's that? Lol Congratulations to you nerds who have shelfs of physical games thinking you're Nicolas Cage's character on National Treasure. You are not preserving anything. You just have a bunch of sweet s*** in your house in alphabetical order.. 🤣🤣🤣

[@matthewhardwick8208]

They confirmed the death of physical media on Xbox by not making any kind of commitment to supporting it. And their recent actions by basically shutting that department which is responsible for physical Xbox discs.

[@FANTAVISION]

The end is coming for physical media for sure. (Made a video on exactly that if you haven’t seen it)

[@archaen2321]

@@FANTAVISION Note that for Playstation 60% of their exclusive purchases, by volume, are physical sales. I imagine (but haven't verified) that Nintendo is the same. Game Pass seems to have degraded the physical games market for XBOX. If not that then something else, perhaps the Series S being 80% of the "Series" sales, and it doesn't have a disc drive. If you just think about the markets that XBOX has classically done well in (USA, UK), they have fairly good broadband market penetration, despite horrible geographic monopolies (in the US, at least). Nintendo and Sony both sell a significant amount of software to areas of the world where digital games are harder to buy and download. Nintendo and Sony will be hard-pressed by investors, who require growth every single year and will not abide regional excisions, to increase their penetration of markets with less access to broadband internet, not reduce it. Physical media for games will continue for a good long while. Just not on XBOX, where retailers are already removing their section from stores.

[@trellegion1997]

They are outsourcing for physical media 😉

[@congokong87]

To a degree, exclusives are anti-consumer. However, exclusives have motivated companies to make some amazing games that may not have existed, or had the same quality, if they weren't needed as a "system-seller."

[@FANTAVISION]

True, but in the future when there are none, they'll want to make an amazing game to get as many players as possible. Many game developers have that mindset already, thankfully.

[@lightlati7496]

Xbox: "The reports of my death...are greatly exaggerated" 😂

[@FANTAVISION]

Hahaha

[@knleonhart]

This quote goes back a lot further than I thought

[@F1rsttimer]

How they can still try and tease a future console just to say that they can imagine a world with fewer exclusives. Makes no sense.

[@FANTAVISION]

I’m wondering what their future console will bring to the table if the “systems need to sell themselves”

[@trellegion1997]

@@FANTAVISIONSteam may be coming to Xbox consoles soon.

[@monkeytoung]

The whole lack of exclusives is why no one wants to by an xbox. I dont even known why i should even by next xbox. Sorry but exclusives do help self. Without exclusives personally id jusr get a pc sense i get exclusives on it and i could do more on it. There is 0 reason for me to own an xbox or playstation without exclusives. If nintendo let me play there exclusive on another aysten then god there hardware is trash and so many lacks of features and crapy online. I will never have to by a nintendo system again. They make amazing games but dear god i hate there hardware and software features with a pation.

[@knleonhart]

Exclusives are good because large investments are made in singular projects to bolster an ecosystem. The only $300+ million dollar game on PC is Star Citizen/Squadron 42 and that is an anomaly, built off of a 30+ year old legacy from Wing Commander and Freelancer. Everyone that played those games is old enough to be a whale for it. Yes, the $300 million dollar game has become unsustainable and yes, the bigger companies are creatively bankrupt. But, without platform exclusivity, you wouldn’t see 2 publishers like Sony and Square coming together to make a game like Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth. An open world game that has 7+ playable characters each with their own stories and abilities. A game with extensive gameplay systems that tie together and interact with the world. A game that has a seamless world with a variety of ecosystems and cultures. And a game that contains what seems to be about 20 other games within it. Try to find that kind of motive, risk, and ambition taken without the two kinds of need the came together to see its creation.

[@FANTAVISION]

Why wouldn’t you though? If you have an even larger market, wouldn’t that make you want to try even harder and make an even better game to capture as many players as possible?

[@knleonhart]

@@FANTAVISIONSquare isn’t in a place to take a risk like that. They took huge hits on the Marvel brand and had to sell their Western branch to make ends meet. They needed Sony to shoulder the dev costs and probably needed a bunch of support as well. We learned that outside teams were hired to work on parts of FF16 and this is a substantially larger game than that. In essence, FF7R wouldn’t contain the same amount of content at the same level of quality if they had gone the route you suggest. Maybe they could have made it work by ruining it with micro-transactions. But instead we are getting a game with 400 new music tracks for $70.

[@archaen2321]

@@FANTAVISION It's pretty clear to me that the output of major third party publishers has swung incredibly far to the live service / microtransactions side of the market. If not for Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft, where are the great single player and co-op experiences coming from? Sure, there are a few outliers each year that get GOTY consideration (Alan Wake, Baldur's Gate this year), but would that really continue at the same rate if not for the first parties? I'm not so sure. Edit: I recognize that Sony has made a recent emphasis on live service games, but if we really look at it closely, they haven't really had any multiplayer games of note for a long time. A few generations, at least. I think they're addressing softness in their catalog more than shifting their catalog. All of their major studios still have prestige single-player games in the works.

[@knleonhart]

@@archaen2321 yeah, most of the games that show up in the major award categories at the game awards have at least marketing deals with the big three. Their impact on the industry can’t be understated. And although I’m pretty anti-corporate.. the most important thing at the end of the day is the quality of the games, not the PR and consumerism around them. As long as we still get games worth celebrating, we can keep the hope alive. I’ve seen so many things that I love ruined so when something that I love still exists, I support it to do my best to make sure it doesn’t go away also.

[@FANTAVISION]

I think we will see more games like Baldur's Gate and Alan Wake since the market has shown that it is tired of live service games. Avengers, Suicide Squad, and countless other random live service games that are already forgotten by everyone died on release because people are sick of the shallow and predatory genre.

[@premierlitnant1570]

Well now that all games are free to be played on any hardware, What is the point of buying a console then ? when you have everything on a superior pc ? Now is the best time to become a pc player guys !!

[@FANTAVISION]

PC has been and will always be the best platform! The only time it isn’t is when developers don’t optimize their game properly.

[@karkatvantas7820]

The fact that steam deck came out I'm hoping to God it'll be something like that.

[@knleonhart]

It seemed like a lot of PR spin to me.

[@FANTAVISION]

They are definitely doing a lot of market testing here and the podcast is just trying to ease the impact of the tests.

[@archaen2321]

Exclusives are not anti-consumer. Exclusives generally have higher budgets, more polish, and less bugs at launch because they are designed to sell you a system. The systems being sold are much cheaper than anything you could buy at cost on the open market. You can't buy an equally-powered PC or any other equally-powered device for the cost of a Playstation, XBOX, or Switch. These companies leverage economies of scale to reduce prices for the consumer, and also usually sell systems at a loss to get the consumer into their ecosystem. What is the end result? The vast majority of games sold are third party; they're on every system that can run them. Console exclusives allow these more cost-effective systems to exist at all, and those systems offer you a cheaper price to enter the market for the vast majority of games you're going to buy.

[@iMixMaSteR1]

With no exclusive their next console is doa. If they think getting outsold 3-1 is bad, they’re in for a bad surprise.

[@FANTAVISION]

They desperately need something that makes them stand out. Right now it is gamepass, but those console sales show that that’s not good enough.

[@karkatvantas7820]

Ngl they might get more developers that are more OP if they can get spread around on gamepass but offer to other platforms! This is kinda a big meta move but they are the short leash...

[@patcrowe2821]

Dude I never get notifications when you post. Sorry I missed a few

[@FANTAVISION]

Guess you gotta catch up then! Haha but no worries man, I’ve been having that issue with KZbin for a while unfortunately.

[@patcrowe2821]

@@FANTAVISION I definitely will lol

[@aaronwilson6611]

This didn’t age well…..for Xbox 😢

[@themangastand8475]

The subscription service works for xbox because not many people want to buy their games. Meanwhile playstation and nintendo games sell 10 million at 70. Regularly

[@FANTAVISION]

I think that is because the majority of Xbox's games don't have the same staying power or feeling of quality that Sony and Nintendo's do. They used to, but it hasn't been that way since the 360.

[@dravenlee4473]

Eh. I agree. It's a slow transition. I could see them continuing to put out Xbox "consoles" even 20 years from now but they will just be mini-PCs running an Xbox app. They are moving in more of a Steam direction which I honestly think is a good move. They aren't competitive enough just competing head to head with Sony and Nintendo. Microsoft should stick to their bread and butter - PCs and software.

[@FANTAVISION]

That was my thought too. Though, it again makes sense for customers to just buy a PC instead since the parts can be upgraded, and you don’t have to pay to play online

[@NaZtRdAmUs]

"Hardware is critical" in other words they going to make a better version of series S with better cloud gaming imo.

[@FANTAVISION]

Yuuuup, we saw the leaked digital only Series X

[@MysteriouslyMilitant]

Your face reminds me of Elijah Wood from The Lord of the Rings. I just thought that I would let you know that right quick, before I go listening and watching your video for over 14 minutes.

[@NostalgiaNet8]

I'm not believing most of what these three are saying at face value. They kept tip-toeing, it was strange how Phil didn't name any of the four games. He definitely signaled more games will go to other platforms, because it doesn't make business sense to have just those four on other platforms.

[@FANTAVISION]

I think these four “low risk” games are a test to see how receptive the other market is to their games.

[@NostalgiaNet8]

​@@FANTAVISIONIt's gonna be interesting to see what happens.

[@BrooksFoodLooks]

Financial Fanta would have NEVER have gotten this wrong! ;)

[@FANTAVISION]

lol you’re right, I should have worn the tie to focus my clairvoyance

[@barradelife]

I might be the only one thinking like this... But i feel that Phil killed Xbox with this new strategy, because what's the point of owning a system if their games is releasing to their competitors? This doesnt make sense.

[@FANTAVISION]

They haven’t killed Xbox yet, but if they follow through with having no exclusives too fast, he could.

[@barradelife]

@@FANTAVISION That's exactly what I was thinking. I mean... This is something too utopian to happen. I can't see Sony or Nintendo following that path.

[@douglasberry4891]

Starfield and Indiana Jones will eventually come. They are just warming you up for that

[@FANTAVISION]

I think so too

[@dsbdsb6637]

They are couching their real intentions behind utopian vision i.e. easy money aka growth.

[@gamernaupodcast]

Amazing how gaming "journalism" is outta fucking control. Also that "podcast" could have been a tweet. 😑

[@FANTAVISION]

To be fair, I’m sure Starfield and Indiana Jones are just timed exclusives

[@gamernaupodcast]

Ehh we'll see. But Phil did say exclusives are going to be smaller and smaller. And your right about not having exclusives on gamepass. They need ALL BLIZZARD AND ACTIVISION GAMES ON GP DAY 1...AND START MOVING THE OLDER ONES OVER ASAP

[@jman3657]

This is the same as Jim Ryan saying that not all exclusive games are going to PC and then it turns out to be a lie. Microsoft didn't really give out enough information during the podcast because they are liars.

[@FANTAVISION]

They are definitely hiding a lot

[@queenzelda]

The issue I have with Gamepass is that for me it's not worth it. So for me there is zero reason for owning an xbox. With gamepass you own nothing, your just locked into a subscription fee of games you could play. Besides, I own a pc and I can play better games via steam anyway. Even Palworld is better on steam compared to the Xbox version.

[@FANTAVISION]

Yeah, if gamepass isn’t worth it to you, Xbox doesn’t really have anything to offer.

[@evilslither6759]

If one day there is no more xbox console i either switch to pc or stop gaming there no way i send money to playstation that the most anti consumer compagny that ever walk the suface of earth

[@JeffersonRedeyes]

I have heard Microsoft saying "every screen is an Xbox" that's an indication they are getting out of the console market. They might sell an "Xbox" branded PC but I have a feeling they aren't going to make it a dedicated console it's probably going to just be a gaming PC.

[@FANTAVISION]

Those are my thoughts too. After firing their retail focused employees, going full digital would save them a lot.

[@the77th]

It’s not a fairytale ! It was a fairytale until the steam deck was released at a $400 price point! Sony PlayStation can no longer afford to keep their games fully console exclusive! They just told you all this ! If anything, in the next 5 years, PC will now get EVERY GAME day 1! There will be no avoiding PC! It’s up to Nintendo and Sony to for the “console” side of exclusives, but PC will get games upon release! I doubt Sony keeps the PlayStation brand much longer! Sony is getting squeezed out the market ! Sony will sell the PlayStation brand to either Apple, meta, Amazon, Google or Tencent! Sony PlayStation won the “home console” era, the stand NO CHANCE in the Server Wars era! Want proof? Sony fanatics are celebrating Helldivers 2 , hell divers 2 is on PC where 90% of gaming PCs are Microsoft Windows based and hell divers itself is hosted on Microsoft’s Azure servers😂 Microsoft is running a monopoly but folks from the console era are still counting console sales! There’s a reason Jim Ryan and the FTC were fighting soo hard to keep that ABK deal away from Microsoft ! PlayStation PC isn’t just for fun, it’s for survival but it’s too late! Playstion PC depends on Steam for store front! PlayStation depends on Amazon servers for multiplayer PlayStation depends on Microsoft for cloud services! Sony is literally LEAKING money left and right! That’s why the COO Said what he said! Sony will HAVE TO sell. We’ve seen this in history. Sony Walkman was the standard of portable audio FOR DECADES until MP3 happened then iPod happens and the Walkman was no more! Sony DVD&Bluray were the STANDARD for video UNTIL Video streaming came, then Netflix came and erased that tech…….. Sony is at that same exact part of the timeline with PlayStation! It’s over! Sony’s ONLY HOPE to keep PlayStation would be to call up rockstar and ask them “how much to have gta 6 as a console exclusive for 2 years?”! Pay WHATEVER they ask for or else….. close up shop!

[@harryballsak1123]

Yes you were wrong and the amount of copium and Orwellian Newspeak you use to try to prove how you weren't wrong is pathetic. Of course not just you but every other person that got it wrong is doing this double down BS. The doomers and Ponies were all saying Starfield and Indy were going to PS5 WRONG. You all said Game Pass was dead. WRONG. You all say Xbox was giving upon hardware. WRONG. Take the fricken L without having to qualify it with "I was wrong but....." anything said before the word BUT doesn't mean anything You show a clip Phil saying how in 5-10 years exclusives are going to be LESS important and you turn that into XBOX is no longer making exclusives. Yes they are and even in 5-10 years they are going to be FEWER not non-existent. And even if they did go away in 5 years it's 5 fricken years. Who cares about 5 years from now? Also what exclusives does Sony have coming out in 2024? NONE. And from here on out it's maybe 1-2 a year. So no they aren't important. Also the new PS CEO clearly mention going multiplat AGGRESSIVELY. So I'm not sure who you are claiming how "soon" MS is not having exclusives and Sony is. Between XBOX doom and gloomers being 100% wrong and yet claiming you weren't and Sony Ponies totally mispresenting what was said and STILL want to claim Starfield and Indy are coming to PlayStation. OK sure in 2-3 years. Enjoy them in late 2026 or some time in 2027. 10th Gen will be out in 2027 you really think there will be a 11th gen in 2034? If you think a PS7 is going to exist you're naïve. The money being invest in consoles can be better used for making game. MS and Sony don't make money on console hardware. Now controllers sure and those can still be made and sold All this elitism xbox fanboys have in the statement "What's the point of owning an xbox then if the games are everywhere" guess what it's NOT important. How many Series consoles are there 25 mil at most? How many gaming PCs are there? How many phones are there? How many Switches how many PS5s? Who comes in last in this group? MS bought ABK for KING, CoD was just a bonus. You guys like to dismiss casual mobile games. Those are the ones that bring in the most money and cost the least to develop.

[@FANTAVISION]

Tell me you don’t watch my videos without telling me. So many things you just claimed I said, I have never said. Calling me a fanboy of any system is also hilarious if you’ve ever actually listened to me.

[@shaneoleary9919]

lol awesome video

[@corwinroberts4756]

Your broken,,, that's not how you take accountably as a game reporter.,,,,

[@FANTAVISION]

You’re*

[@19rick91abc]

I think the aim is for Game Pass (eventually Xbox Cloud Gaming) to become the Spotify of videogames.

[@FANTAVISION]

100% agree. Which I really don’t want to see happen because we’d own nothing.

[@Pikawarps]

@@FANTAVISION”You will own nothing and you’ll be happy” - A famous man with a funny accent

[@richneedre48]

Why as a creator don't u just play ALL CONSOLES like myself and not be a "pony" or "xbot" I always tell youtuber about doubling their subs by not HATING on any specific console and I've owned EVERY Playstation & XBox since 2002 Including "pros" "slims" & One X systems I luv my ps5 luv my series X my opinion since I got a flagship 2024 hdmi 2.1 TV a NIICCE ONE! the series X w GP ULTIMATE is the top dog at the moment that may change. "Who knows buy why do t u just be a gaming creator buy a series X and lose the pony talk.....you may double ur subs PLUS and no xbox very real ...u heard podcast they ha e next gen already planned and said that the technology leap to next gen. Will be larger than ANY gen. To gen. Leap thus far...ur def.a HUGE Sony player..and I saw u bash xbx last 2 weeks...and u were SOOO wrong then u just tried ti say you thought you were still partially right (nah man you w were SOOO wrong it couldn't ha e been any worse) 🙈lol...yes bur 15 million gamepass subs to 35 million in about 2 years and even ponies KNOW that even ps prem.Cant TOUCH GP ULTIMATE !? I have BOTH SUBSCRIPTION services and its NOT even a close race....

[@FANTAVISION]

What are you talking about? I do have them all and talk about what each system brings to the table in this very video. I also mentioned I LIKE all of them and want them all to stick around. Did you watch a different video and then comment? lol genuinely confused