Was Ivar The Boneless a Cripple?

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@strikergamer2979
@strikergamer2979 Жыл бұрын
I believe that he was extremely agile so that's why they call him the boneless
@unknownstranger3646
@unknownstranger3646 Жыл бұрын
If by that you mean that he was really flexible, then i agree
@Tjalve70
@Tjalve70 Ай бұрын
Some people are known as "double jointed". That doesn't mean they actually have double joints. It just means their joints are very flexible. A friend of mine is very flexible, and he can make his elbows touch straight behind his back. I wouldn't be surprised if a person like that could get the epithet "boneless" in the Viking age.
@youmaus
@youmaus Жыл бұрын
A walrus can't walk but you don't want to mess with it.
@syreallewyatt5048
@syreallewyatt5048 Жыл бұрын
My guess is that he was simply very flexible, most likely double jointed on several of his appendages. Like his elbows and shoulders or something to that effect. Not that it would of been the 1st time anyone had seen such a thing, but that someone like Ivar became incredible famous. But, I also believe its most likely the Latin interpretation of the 2 words could be true as well. Both things could be true at the same time too.
@LDuke-pc7kq
@LDuke-pc7kq Жыл бұрын
Yes, he had E.D.S. and would explain all his physical issues including his sudden death that was most likely an aortic dissection sadly common in this disorder especially in taller males that might have a comorbidity of Mofran Syndrome.
@sarahhunter1114
@sarahhunter1114 Жыл бұрын
That makes sense
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
I agree thank you so much for watching!
@carrioncrow7687
@carrioncrow7687 Жыл бұрын
If anything, the many different sources make Ivar that much more of an intriguing figure
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
Indeed what a mystery he was!
@littledikkins2253
@littledikkins2253 Жыл бұрын
The Vikings usually didn't raise defective infants but it could well be that Ivar was double jointed as that one quote about being as ''graceful and supple as a serpent'' could well describe such a person and he would be able to handle a sword in a way no other could due to that condition.
@danielk8149
@danielk8149 Жыл бұрын
You are correct they usually would throw cripple or defective children to the wolves .from what I understand.
@thalmoragent9344
@thalmoragent9344 11 ай бұрын
Huh, so double joined in his fingers or, in another manner?
@thalmoragent9344
@thalmoragent9344 11 ай бұрын
​@danielk8149 Sounds like the Spartans, and other societies either very warlike or just more willing to let go of kids who would otherwise have rough lives and be a burden on their village and such (sucks but, humanity back then was a lot more, well, ruthless due to living conditions)
@philippschwartzerdt3431
@philippschwartzerdt3431 Жыл бұрын
Being “boneless” can also be interpreted that this somebody is not be trusted as he has no honor - being cunning and mischievous and not keeping agreements. *“Not an honest bone in his body”* what would be a hateful trade.
@jak3brap10
@jak3brap10 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I don’t think the word is a literal nickname given, I think it’s based on something more to do with his character as you suggested..
@bryanflynn2855
@bryanflynn2855 Жыл бұрын
The exact opposite could have also been true. Maybe he never backed down from a fight and his men gave him the nickname ironically.
@MrMattogreen25
@MrMattogreen25 Жыл бұрын
It's possible, he did break the truce with King Aella and brutally executed him, that's pretty boneless of him
@steelbone10
@steelbone10 Жыл бұрын
This is what I believe as well. It seems like Ivar was a psychopath with great intellect. The Norse of the time blamed his conception as the reason why he was this way.
@jamesdunn9609
@jamesdunn9609 Жыл бұрын
There is also the old phrase "I have no bones about it." or "Make no bones about it." His nickname could be interpreted as Ivar the Unconcerned or the Untroubled. We can never really know for sure.
@lorysmidt6592
@lorysmidt6592 Жыл бұрын
I think Ivar had Ehlers danlos syndrome. My family has it. We are descendants of the Danes and Norwegians. With this disease, people are very flexible and usually "double-jointed. I believe this would explain his name as boneless. Check it out. This possibility has been overlooked by everyone who has researched this question.
@lorysmidt6592
@lorysmidt6592 Жыл бұрын
Also, most people who are double jointed probably have EDS
@dcmastermindfirst9418
@dcmastermindfirst9418 Жыл бұрын
Lol that's just ONE of the most common possibilities. What are you talking about?
@lorysmidt6592
@lorysmidt6592 Жыл бұрын
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 ehlers-danlos is a connective tissue disorder. It affects at minimum joints and can be explained as double jointedness. Those who have it often have arbitrary dislocated joints, which could explain "boneless". This may have been a reason. For the name. My ancestors are from Norway and Denmark. The condition occurs mostly in people with this kind of ancestry. One can also have the internal manifestation of the disease, that is death from ruptures of internal organs.. my son died from an aortic rupture. It is a very serious disease. I do believe this would explain how such a nickname could be acquired. Google it.
@Diabbie
@Diabbie Жыл бұрын
I put a hard stop to Vikings when Ivar pretty much took over the show. The way they portrayed the character was just too much. In my opinion the show really went downhill then. I'm happy the show served me as an introduction to developing an interest in Norse mythology and history. Thanks for the video!
@jenniferbreaux7385
@jenniferbreaux7385 Жыл бұрын
I felt the same way.
@dtcdtc8328
@dtcdtc8328 Жыл бұрын
Ditto , it's not hard to see how Hollyweird changes history in the masses minds , except for those who seek out the truth , they take the telelievision as truth. Sad.
@kurtisgonzales37
@kurtisgonzales37 Жыл бұрын
Then you missed his amazing story arch.
@jenniferbreaux7385
@jenniferbreaux7385 Жыл бұрын
@@dtcdtc8328 thank u. You would not believe the hateful comments I've gotten bc I was unfamiliar with the history of Viking and Anglo saxon invasion of Brittain. It just wasn't taught in college 35 yrs ago. We studied the classics
@felipeacostamunoz1249
@felipeacostamunoz1249 Жыл бұрын
Then you are just a mediocre viewer like those woke boys...your loss.
@Son-of-Tyr
@Son-of-Tyr Жыл бұрын
Ivar was likely not handicapped. Not trying to say anything about disabled people, but it was just unlikely. Especially when you take into account the stories of his deeds. One of which claims that he threw a Scottish king to his death from high upon Dumbarton Rock. Personally, I've always felt he probably received the epithet "boneless" from battle. For example, where most men would usually suffer broken or shattered bones from being struck with a mace or war club, he may have received the same blow(s) from such weapons and suffered no broken bones. Hence the name Ivar the Boneless.
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
Very good theory, and it makes a lot of sense, thank you so much for watching! I hope the video shed some more light on Ivar!
@Son-of-Tyr
@Son-of-Tyr Жыл бұрын
@@historyprofiles I truly enjoyed the video as I do most of your content. Very well done. You always manage to fit an impressive amount of information into a concise package. Thank you for taking the time to respond. I look forward to new videos. 👍🦾
@LDuke-pc7kq
@LDuke-pc7kq Жыл бұрын
He had E.D.S. which would explain his hypermoblity, pain, sometimes use and also disability in legs and sudden strange death most likely related to a aortic dissection sadly common especially in taller EDS patients that may have a comorbidity of Mofrans syndrome
@stevenwilgus5422
@stevenwilgus5422 Жыл бұрын
Ivarr Ragnvaldsson, king of Dublin, was the progenitor of the Ui Umair Dynasty. His son was Sigurd "den blinde" Ivarsson, whose son was Sigtrygg II (Sitric "Cáech" ) Sigtryggson, Ui Umair (Viking Dynasty) king of Dublin and Northumbria. The father of Ivarr Ragnvaldsson was Ragnvald Gudrödsson, whose father was Gudrød "the Hunter" Veidekonge (Halvdansson), Konge av Vestfold. In turn, he was the son of Halfdan "the Mild" Eysteinsson, king of Romerike and Vestfold. Eystein Olafsson Halfdansson, Konge i Romerike og Vestfold was his father. In turn, his father was Halvdan Hvitbein "Whiteshanks" Olafsson, of Solør in Norway (van Vestfold of Upsalla of Sweden), King of Norway. (Do you need more? I have more.)
@desaiarman
@desaiarman Жыл бұрын
could you start from beginning and end at Ivar? Am curious to know
@CajunRed
@CajunRed Жыл бұрын
So did Ragnar Ludbrok actually exist?
@stevenwilgus5422
@stevenwilgus5422 Жыл бұрын
@@CajunRed Ragnar Lodbrok (Lothbrok) Sigurdsson, King of Denmark and Norway 745-845 BIRTH ABT. 745 • Scandinavia DEATH 845 • Snake pit of king Ælla, Kingdom of Northumbria (Thrown into a pit of poisonous snakes.) _____________________ He was the son of Sigurd "Ring" Hringr Randversson, Danish king 730-812 BIRTH ABT. 730 • Uppsala, Sweden DEATH ABT. 812 • Roskilde, Sjælland, Danmark and Álfhildr Gandálfsdóttir 735-810 BIRTH ABT. 735 • Alvheim, (Bohuslän), Västra Götalands län, Norway DEATH ABT. 810 • Uppsala, Uppsala, Sweden
@ELKE-
@ELKE- Жыл бұрын
Time for me to get into your history. Your researchs are truly awesome! And this one couldn't be different. Thank you History Profiles
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching Elke!!
@ELKE-
@ELKE- Жыл бұрын
@@historyprofiles No problem! 😊
@baret9146
@baret9146 Жыл бұрын
A lot of effort was put into this video. Hats off to you, sir.
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Baret, your kind comment means a lot!
@cyankirkpatrick5194
@cyankirkpatrick5194 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the clarification on the boneless part because I've heard different interpretation of this person, and tallest could be debated
@thearmchairjournalist566
@thearmchairjournalist566 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, you’ve gained a new sub 👌
@jenniferbreaux7385
@jenniferbreaux7385 Жыл бұрын
I love watching ur videos. The only knowledge I have of Vikings and ancient Great Brittain is from ur videos and Vikings. When I was in school, not much focus was giving to them. Course it's been 40 yrs since I was in school.
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching! Im Glad your interested in Viking history now!
@SamAhmd-vk8vv
@SamAhmd-vk8vv Жыл бұрын
your best video by far up until now. fascinating insight into Ivar's life
@johnmclaughlin5660
@johnmclaughlin5660 Жыл бұрын
Excellent , fascinating ! Thank you ! 🤘🔥🍷
@mrvinyl-mrchili9583
@mrvinyl-mrchili9583 Жыл бұрын
Another amazing video! I think Ivar/imar was the same person. Bonless iam not sure could be many things . Maybe even a stupid nickname. But have to say what a man , what a legend
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching Mr Vinyl! I hope you enjoyed the video!
@JM-350
@JM-350 Жыл бұрын
I know the Vikings series is roughly half historically accurate, but what they did with Ivar's character and story arc kind of gave precedence to how harsh and ruthless he was. I always loved his smirk and evil smile when people thought he was an easy target.
@Barisdagame
@Barisdagame Жыл бұрын
Boneless = cripple,impotent, or untrustworthy...
@olafharoldsonnii4713
@olafharoldsonnii4713 Жыл бұрын
I believe he was called the hated. Him being boneless made no sense at all. Especially on the battle field. Having strong bones is much needed to be formidable warrior.
@esbenbuurlkke5775
@esbenbuurlkke5775 Жыл бұрын
It makes really good sense as to call someone you really hate spineless/boneless and spread slanter about him as impotent and cruel even i he wasn't. Especially if he wasn't. I fully believe that it is an old slander campaign among his enemies that has become myth.
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree with that! Thank you so much for watching! I hope you enjoyed the video!
@davidshields454
@davidshields454 Жыл бұрын
My thoughts that he may have had polio. Maybe one of his legs was weak. I do like the idea of could be a Mistranslation video very good
@Agapy8888
@Agapy8888 Жыл бұрын
I never watched the vikings on any other channel. This is my first experience of them. Thanks to Ollie for continuing the truth. Still waiting to see Greenland as a green luscious place. This truth must be hidden in all the books.
@jp16k92
@jp16k92 Жыл бұрын
My theory is e was suffering from acromegaly. At Repton, in the seventeenth century, a stone coffin was found with the skeleton of a nine foot man. Sadly, the skeleton has long disappeared but there seem to be some evidence the skeleton did exist at some point. So if we consider the size, he would have as tall as the tallest man ever recorded in the 20th century, who did suffer from acromegaly and had trouble walking. Even the tallest man today suffers from that disease and has trouble walking. For me, Ivar and Imar are probably two different persons. Besides, if we consider that the Great Heathen Army split in two after their overwintering in Repton, we may think that they separated after their principal leader had died. One part following Guthrie and the other Ubba or Halfdeane., further emphasizing that the man buried at Repton was Ivar. Of course this is just my two cent here.
@jp16k92
@jp16k92 Жыл бұрын
And by the way, the skeleton on the picture has been almost proven not to be Ivar and is only six feet tall. Studies by Kat Jarman have tentatively identified him and the ,an next to him as father and son. As for Ivar, one chronicle said he asked to be buried in the old way in England, and Lo and Behold, the 9 foot guy was buried under a mound, in the old way! :)
@ryufight7987
@ryufight7987 9 ай бұрын
We will never know for sure . What they do know is that he was intelligent, brutal, and feared ❤
@DarthJaeQuellyn
@DarthJaeQuellyn Жыл бұрын
Why would you use the word cripple. It’s ableist AF. How would you like to be called that if you had a disability. I know I have when using my cane and it made me feel embarrassed and upset. Do better.
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
My apologies if I caused any offence - none was indented in the production of the video
@slewfoot6608
@slewfoot6608 Жыл бұрын
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄thin skinned. get over it!
@slewfoot6608
@slewfoot6608 Жыл бұрын
move on.
@healdiseasenow
@healdiseasenow Жыл бұрын
Ivar always definitely not a cripple carried around by daddy! He was a warrior that led thousands and thousands of the craziest Berserker horde
@thewalkingdeaduniverse362
@thewalkingdeaduniverse362 Жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on spartacus and his back story
@MuzzieB
@MuzzieB 21 күн бұрын
Okay, I know this video is more than a year old so no one might see my comment for a long time but I have a debunking theory about the "boneless"-mystery, which also makes sense why English-speakers get it wrong: Look, his name was literally "Ívarr beinlausi" which would translate more in the direction of "legless" not "boneless" although the word for both "bone" and "leg" is the same. It could mean that he would be paraded on shields after victories OR IT COULD mean that he didn't walk much as we happen to know he was an avid seafarer slash conquerer by ship.. RIGHT? RIGHT??! Get it? He didn't "have legs" because he was constantly seafaring; exploring, expanding, conquering new territories and other vikingr stuff. The "beinlausi" nickname part; if you're from a Scandinavian country or somehow have been taught one of languages/dialects you should be able to get what I meant in the comment above.
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles 20 күн бұрын
Very good theory! That does make a lot of sese! Always at the oar or on horseback due to his constant conquests! Thank you for commenting! I hoe you enjoyed the vieo!
@maddhatter0
@maddhatter0 Жыл бұрын
It is very doubtful, Ivar was the progenitor of the ui imair dynasty and had many sons and grandchildren…
@SupNerdsItsBran
@SupNerdsItsBran Жыл бұрын
I wish we could have known what he really looked like and his brothers, History is amazing.
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
I know I wish I was there! Thank you for watching!
@Johnny3Batony
@Johnny3Batony Жыл бұрын
I always hated how they portrayed him in "Vikings". No offense to the actor, but he didn't even look Norse or let alone a Viking chieftain. All of Ragnars sons besides Bjorn and Ubbe were a total miscast.
@brentlady39
@brentlady39 Жыл бұрын
The dude is Danish it doesnt get more Norse than that lol.
@Johnny3Batony
@Johnny3Batony Жыл бұрын
@@brentlady39 So? He doesn't look Danish.
@felipeacostamunoz1249
@felipeacostamunoz1249 Жыл бұрын
You look pathetic from your profile photo. Does it make you pathetic indeed? Probably not....
@jpkm123g9
@jpkm123g9 Жыл бұрын
@@Johnny3Batony the Danes were known for being the dark haired Vikings
@Johnny3Batony
@Johnny3Batony Жыл бұрын
@@jpkm123g9 False. The Danes are known universally for their fair features.
@paulroese1376
@paulroese1376 Жыл бұрын
basically all that is known about the dude is based on conjecture and WAGs (Wild Ass Guesses). for all we know the guy invented the 1st aircraft and electric generators.
@buddysnackit1758
@buddysnackit1758 Жыл бұрын
Ivar was not a cripple and in fact the phrase Ivar the boneless was originally "Ivar needs no legs". The word bein is the cause of the confusion. It means bone or legs. Why does he need no legs? Because his men carried him through the streets after winning battles with his men shouting Ivar needs no legs. The old Norse word for legs and bone have been confused over time. He was not exceptionally agile either. He was a good fighter, but his real strength was strategy and leadership. BTW: Ivar was Blonde and not a Midget like Anderson. The large Repton man was not Ivar. He was not a giant. The giant was probably his guard.
@derekflegg2670
@derekflegg2670 Жыл бұрын
Maybe the boneless was just double-jointed? People with hypermobility are particularly supple and able to move their limbs into positions others find impossible. Joint hypermobility is what some people refer to as having "loose joints" or being "double-jointed".
@bladekick6405
@bladekick6405 10 ай бұрын
Boneless can also mean flexible in movement. Moves so well it's like they have no bones. In hockey a flexible goalie is said to have no spine .
@jameswright4420
@jameswright4420 Жыл бұрын
I always leaned toward his nickname being explained by an important “bone” in his body never “hardening”-if that makes sense.
@jamesmcshane5248
@jamesmcshane5248 Жыл бұрын
A fink he would have been very large and heated bay all thats why boneless meaning heated one
@3.75istheway7
@3.75istheway7 Жыл бұрын
So I guess we can assume that Bjorn had a side made of iron?
@damionbaxter4912
@damionbaxter4912 Жыл бұрын
Yes but not literally. Most likely a very proficient shield user.
@susanroutt6690
@susanroutt6690 Жыл бұрын
Was he called “The Boneless” during his lifetime? It sounds like an insult
@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking
@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking Жыл бұрын
14:37 - Whoa, wait man. Holdup. There may be a mistake. I can't find any online reference to any "8 foot 5" skeleton at the mass-burial site of Repton. What you show in that image: Is grave 511. "Current Archeology" has an article on Repton, June 2019...with an extensive examination of this skeleton. Nowhere mentioned is any significant height. It also says his genitals likely came off in battle - thus, an ivory boar tusk was placed between his legs to give him some dignity and "help" in the afterlife. He probably is some sort of Viking nobility of the Great Heathen Army. But perhaps not royalty. The fabulous wealth usually associated with such a burial is missing. Either it's looted, or he just wasn't important enough to be buried with it. Can you link where you got this information about him being gigantically tall?
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
www.reptonchurch.uk/Vikings.htm This may have been an oversight on my part- as there are legends reflecting a skeleton of 8ft 5 being found at Repton, again however, the body of the un named viking being Ivar is just a theory, anyway thank you for watching the video and playing close attention it means a lot
@phildicks4721
@phildicks4721 Жыл бұрын
Something to also think about is if he was a bit of a Berserker in Battle, "the Boneless" might come from that. In Celtic stories of Cuculian its mentioned when Cuculain entered his battle frenzy his body and features seemed to twist and misshapen. Granted those are just mythical stories, but it might also be how those under the battle frenzy were perceived by others.
@BSU55
@BSU55 Жыл бұрын
How many different nicknames do we give people ? I don't think we will ever know where his nickname came from.
@matthewklassen7457
@matthewklassen7457 Жыл бұрын
I think it makes more sense that he was "boneless" as in cannot maintain his "manhood"
@guyh.4553
@guyh.4553 Жыл бұрын
Yes, very well done. In regards to being cremated on a pyre, I do not think that that is true. As far as name meanings being confused, happened all the time in that time period. As far as the skeleton goes, that seems very plausible. Good job
@KimberlyLetsGo
@KimberlyLetsGo Жыл бұрын
I wonder if he could have had cerebral palsy?
@dubh_glas95
@dubh_glas95 8 ай бұрын
Ímar in old Irish means "descendant of Ivar"
@TOMSMITHLAD
@TOMSMITHLAD Жыл бұрын
I reckon it's more Ivar SoftCock
@ASKER76
@ASKER76 3 ай бұрын
I think he got physical hard fights and no damage,in time they call him boneless !Because nobody can Drop him -or his bones!
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles 3 ай бұрын
Good theory !
@michaelgriffin6482
@michaelgriffin6482 Жыл бұрын
Do you think that the name boneless is because the other Vikings gave him the name boneless because he couldn't get hard like a bone therefore giving him the name boneless
@bigmal1690
@bigmal1690 Жыл бұрын
Well I heard they called him the boneless because he didn't like bones in his fish, and would only eat it after someone, not him, himself, he didn't even like touching them, had taken all the bones out, true story, I'm the exact same, I like my fish boneless
@bringmeblueskies
@bringmeblueskies Жыл бұрын
i am pretty badass and a Cripple. may be he became a cripple fighting it was a pretty brutal time
@fleadoggreen9062
@fleadoggreen9062 Жыл бұрын
Boneless probably means something that was a popular saying at the time that lost its meaning ,like groovy !!!
@SlightlySusan
@SlightlySusan Жыл бұрын
Hip dysplasia?
@dcmastermindfirst9418
@dcmastermindfirst9418 Жыл бұрын
What he was double jointed
@amandragoran
@amandragoran Жыл бұрын
I believe there are simply too many similarities between Ivar and Imarr, for them to be different people. Add in the regional connections, and I am of the opinion they were the same person. As for my opinion on "boneless", I am torn between Ivar being a hulking madman with an axe/blade that fought with little regard to personal safety - moving like his bones were non-existent, taking abuse that would break other men, in stride. I am equally on the fence about boneless meaning he moved with fluidity and grace, making it appear that his bones were non-existent because of an exceptional level of agility. Excellent we ork Sir, your research is impeccable.
@3.75istheway7
@3.75istheway7 Жыл бұрын
I don’t believe for a second that ivar was crippled! He couldn’t be in a warrior culture where the strongest rules!
@3.75istheway7
@3.75istheway7 Жыл бұрын
Ow how the little piggies grunted
@tinamidkiff8417
@tinamidkiff8417 3 ай бұрын
Ivar had a few children
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles 3 ай бұрын
Yep I highlight this in my descendants of ivar video!
@realtalunkarku
@realtalunkarku Жыл бұрын
no . he had several kids and his line out lived even the af munsos with the cadet branch crovan and then macleods
@hansrijke8477
@hansrijke8477 9 ай бұрын
I think they mean verry supple !
@SilverSquirrel
@SilverSquirrel Жыл бұрын
I think Ivar probably suffered from erectile disfunction.
@Restrodsworth
@Restrodsworth Жыл бұрын
No chance, noble birth or not, he wouldn’t have risen to the level of a leader of an army on conquest if he was crippled. There would have been hundreds of men better suited to the job.
@3.75istheway7
@3.75istheway7 Жыл бұрын
No he wouldn’t have been respected enough to ever find out if he was a good Strategic mind
@lisapop5219
@lisapop5219 Жыл бұрын
Nah, just ed
@lovey9286
@lovey9286 Жыл бұрын
That whole character was the whole reason I stopped watching that dumb show. I mean come on that's such a dumb thing to think that would actually happen.
@donaldpatterson-zg3pl
@donaldpatterson-zg3pl Жыл бұрын
Ivar=osteogenesis imperfecta
@pekkaolavipiskunen4660
@pekkaolavipiskunen4660 8 ай бұрын
I cant see at that Time WAS cripple viking whos leading Warriors in to battle ?!😁😂😢🤣
@HandyMan657
@HandyMan657 Жыл бұрын
Well, the Vikings found out just how mentally sick the cult of christ members were. I wonder what he would say today about these nuts?
@emelie0990
@emelie0990 Жыл бұрын
I-war...😂
@awhite2501
@awhite2501 Жыл бұрын
William the conqueror was a Anglo yeddish Turks that invaded Hebrew land i.e the UK and targeted killed enslaved true Jews. But instead of doing a little research you would rather share the Anglo Whitewashed version . Bet you didn't know Ireland is spoken of in the Torah and I bet you didn't know romani Gypsy are spoken of in the Torah as the lost tribes
@eriktheviking927
@eriktheviking927 Жыл бұрын
My guess is that he was fairly large and maybe even fat. And 'the boneless' was probably cause he was well padded with fat and muscle.
@mrawesome1688
@mrawesome1688 Жыл бұрын
I highly doubt he was a cripple. If you want to think realistically vikings were a warlike people train in battle, and they didn't follow just anyone Judy because of lineage the follow their leaders cause of their own actions and fame. I doubt this warlike warriors would have follow a cripple. Don't want to offend handicap people. But if you want to be historically accurate, that's close to impossible cause as we know society was very judgemental back then for whatever reasons. And yeah they left handicap babies to the wolves. I doubt they would follow one to battle. I think a handicap person would have found it very hard to raise in the social structure of the era. Especially in a society like the vikings one. Plus, it is realistically wise and not tv show wise. Ivar should have died a bunch of times in battle if he was literally from the waist and bellow boneless. Yeah OK I accept the strategic brilliance and all. But yeah, physically wise. It's a big disadvantage in a battle hand to hand. I mean, your foe can literally just stab you on the ground before you even reach him.
@milesmanges
@milesmanges Жыл бұрын
This has truth but is still very ignorant, throughout history there have been many disadvantaged warriors who were missing legs, arms and eyes, and they excelled through the social arc and their names in history
@mrawesome1688
@mrawesome1688 Жыл бұрын
@Miles Manges yeah also your answer is a bit ignorant. They were many... but living in a harsh warlike society like the viking one? Give me one example of such. We are not talking about a civilization such a rome or the tang empire that the people live in comfort we are talking about a spartan like society that value strength in battle.
@mrawesome1688
@mrawesome1688 Жыл бұрын
@Miles Manges seems like you skip the part which I specify that I am talking about viking society, not just any society.
@mrawesome1688
@mrawesome1688 Жыл бұрын
@Miles Manges And even in more civilization society being handicap wasn't look kindly upon. For example, Julius Caesar hide the fact he was epileptic to the reason that it was considered a curse by the gods by the majority of the population, which would have worked against him. And that wasn't even a visible disability. In ancient sparta, they threw babies with physical disabilities from a mountain. There are so many mythological stories that teach us how ancient greeks saw a physical disability as a punishment of the gods.
@milesmanges
@milesmanges Жыл бұрын
@@mrawesome1688 i agree that ancient cultures tended to support allowing parents to abandon or kill visibly physically different children, and I imagine the Vikings were not much different, however, it is clear that if a disability was acquired, especially through battle, people with disabilities were accommodated, and even respected. Odin, the chief god, had one eye and walked with a limp. If a warrior lost a hand or a leg, they’d just learn to fight with the other hand and built stumps for them to walk on. Disability in Viking culture is an interesting subject.
@awhite2501
@awhite2501 Жыл бұрын
Why's do you thinks these racist Anglos put up signs saying no Jews no blacks no gypsy no Irish no dogs Who do you think was hear first . 🤔 So you didn't think there was a connection or did you think it's ok to do that to your own people
@wor53lg50
@wor53lg50 9 ай бұрын
Yeah i see the conection as in!, we should never have done that to our ancient ancestral brethrens the Irish!, or those poor stray dogs either..
@BlueBaron3339
@BlueBaron3339 Жыл бұрын
A most unfortunate and tone deaf choice of title. Who uses the word, cripple, in reference to a human being anymore? Unsubbed....
@uiimairgrandchildrenofivar5894
@uiimairgrandchildrenofivar5894 Жыл бұрын
Someone referring to a 1200 year old story. It was the way the annals described him. He's just reading the texts. We are all sorry for a scribe from the 800's not being politically correct. WOKE!
@BlueBaron3339
@BlueBaron3339 Жыл бұрын
@@uiimairgrandchildrenofivar5894 I hate what you'd call woke shit too - trying to claim some imaginary virtue by implying that, had you lived at another time, you would have had different standards. It's cheating. It's ludicrous. But cripple is in the title, used in a contemporary context. And it's a form of bigotry I've endured in *this* time and for the past 50 years. But whenever you call people on it, they act as if they're the wounded party. 😄 It's not about political correctness. It's about not being a jerk. 😉
@uiimairgrandchildrenofivar5894
@uiimairgrandchildrenofivar5894 Жыл бұрын
@@BlueBaron3339 It sounds like you're taking this to the heart because you have a disability. I understand somewhat. But I wonder if you would say anything if you didn't have one. Probably not. Europe is not as WOKE as the states, so it doesn't cross their minds. And cripple is an actual word and someone somewhere at sometime turned it into a derogatory word. Just like women don't like being called women anymore. You are what you are.
@williambartlett2500
@williambartlett2500 Жыл бұрын
I think ivar the boneless refers to him being so flexible when he fights I know he is said to have been carried on a shield, but that could have been to save energy or while the mushrooms were kicking in
@rickonline777
@rickonline777 Жыл бұрын
My surname is McIvor - descended from the Ui Imar dynasty - i live in Co Derry Ireland - lots of McIvors and McKeevers around here and around the West coast of Ireland - i thought Ivar was derived from proto-Danish meaning archer or bow warrior and most bows were made using bone so possibly Boneless may be something to do with using a bow made without using bone - there was actually some if these types of bows found in Scotland along with other bows made using bone - just a possibility - uppa Vikings 😁
@bobnewfart
@bobnewfart Жыл бұрын
I think they called him the boneless because he could not get a boner.... Maybe.. Vikings series was dumb for making him like he was.
@elsakristina2689
@elsakristina2689 Жыл бұрын
Obviously we’ll never know whether or not the historical Ivar was disabled, but I did really enjoy his character arc in the show, and his actor (Alex Høgh Andersen) did a phenomenal job at bringing Ivar to life and I was amazed at his portrayal of him.
@Nathan_Coley
@Nathan_Coley Жыл бұрын
Agreed 100%
@loots9821
@loots9821 Жыл бұрын
No Elsa, we know he wasn't disabled. It wouldn't be possible to do the things he did with a serious disability.
@ninobelov4153
@ninobelov4153 Жыл бұрын
Boneless also means a person whose words and promises mean nothing. So a dishonest person. And dishonest people were hated because of their dishonesty.
@johnduquette7023
@johnduquette7023 Жыл бұрын
I quite like this one, I'll have to write it down.
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
I do like this one! Anyone thank you for watching Nino! I hope you enjoyed the video and it shed more light on the real Ivar!
@uiimairgrandchildrenofivar5894
@uiimairgrandchildrenofivar5894 Жыл бұрын
My fathers last name means "Son of Gofraid" in Gaelic. They come from Fermanagh and Dublin in Ireland. My mothers last name means "Son of Ivar" in Gaelic. They come from the Dumbarton area in Scotland. Go figure 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
@123rainbowmonkey
@123rainbowmonkey Жыл бұрын
Maybe a different word than “cripple”….. not a great way to refer to disabled people. disappointed @history profile
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
My apologies if I caused any offence - none was indented in the production of the video
@tacoslurpees
@tacoslurpees Жыл бұрын
Not sure if the same can be said on this particular topic. But often great men are slandered/mocked post mortem. No one can be 100% sure but funny enough assassins creed valhalla gave a decent explanation to this. Ivar earned the nickname thru his snake like movement in battle, almost as if he was "boneless". Either way another great video and thanks again! Cheers Hp
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching Taco, I've heard assassins creed valhalla is a really good game, I might invest in it, anyway thank you so much for watching I hope you enjoyed the video!
@greenirish9532
@greenirish9532 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for validating my research. He was a great warrior and had children so enough that 'bonelss' reference to impotency (the term boner was coined 1940s anyway). I loved the series but I wish historical films were more accurate. Many people and event are very interesting without the embellishment. Thank you!
@HonorKnight
@HonorKnight Жыл бұрын
Yea I feel like they made him cripple and the youngest because he was to incredible of a Viking and would have been op for the show
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
He would have been very OP!!!
@anastasiab9506
@anastasiab9506 11 ай бұрын
According to the folklore tradition and some nordic languages, "boneless" is used to describe a ghost, or someone who can move absolutely silently and sneak up on you. I think this is the perfect explanation.
@AnneDowson-vp8lg
@AnneDowson-vp8lg 21 күн бұрын
Don't use the term 'cripple'. This word has not been used for many years, and it is offensive to most disabled people.
@AnneDowson-vp8lg
@AnneDowson-vp8lg 21 күн бұрын
Don't use the term 'cripple'. This word has not been used for many years, and it is offensive to most disabled people.
@dharr4896
@dharr4896 Жыл бұрын
They already found his body, whether they admit it or not, he is the Repton warrior, he was very large for that time.
@dcmastermindfirst9418
@dcmastermindfirst9418 Жыл бұрын
They've never found Ivars body
@jared1870
@jared1870 Жыл бұрын
Whatever the truth, Ivar is a fascinating historic figure. I accept William the Conquerer's burning of Ivar's body as being a myth, as though William could not conquer Britain so long as Ivar remained, even if dead.
@rickonline777
@rickonline777 Жыл бұрын
William the Bastard 🤣
@idanthyrsus6887
@idanthyrsus6887 Жыл бұрын
I always figured it was he was impotent because it would be a funny interpretation of "boneless"
@SKINNER92
@SKINNER92 Жыл бұрын
Can't have a boner.
@Agapy8888
@Agapy8888 Жыл бұрын
@@SKINNER92 lol
@tashatsu_vachel4477
@tashatsu_vachel4477 Жыл бұрын
An actual Dane on here once said it is a corruption of some word, basically 'banloss' 'baneloss' or similar. Any yes, it indeed meant he was impotent.
@pat4771
@pat4771 Жыл бұрын
He was documented having several kids
@matthewwaters5317
@matthewwaters5317 Жыл бұрын
Such an interesting video, I think the most believable theory is that Ivar and Imar were the same person, an 8ft 5in Vilking wow, the tallest man in the world today is only 8ft 2
@brodyberry6253
@brodyberry6253 Жыл бұрын
Very well done with this one Ollie! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 and thank you for all the work you put in to bring us these videos it’s appreciated by many. 💯
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching Brody! I hope you enjoyed the video and it shed some more light on Ivar for you!
@King-Cobra2006
@King-Cobra2006 Жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on ghengis khan please 🙏
@Son-of-Tyr
@Son-of-Tyr Жыл бұрын
Great video. Very comprehensive considering the amount of time you condensed it to.
@danyf.1442
@danyf.1442 Жыл бұрын
Guess we'll never know for sure unless new discoveries are made. Unfortunately we only can rely on sources written hundreds of years after Ragnar and his sons allegedly lived, making them hardly reliable. It would be cool if the Oxford historian was right though!
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
Agreed Dany, Thank you so much for watching the video I hope you enjoyed it! And yes it would be epic if he was right!
@elvenkind6072
@elvenkind6072 Жыл бұрын
The Latin name theory make no sense, by his Norse name, that I can't see why would be based on any Latin name... Ivar Beinlause, where "bein" could mean both "leg" and "bone", just add to the mystery. However, anyone that have read the sagas, know that the Norse valued physical skills similarly as they valued knowledge and wit. Having a leader that could out-think the enemy was probably more valuable then a leader that could bash out the most brains.
@arielbenitez98
@arielbenitez98 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you here this just sounds like a theory. We could go around listing a bunch of reasons why many Viking kings were hated 😂 plus there’s too much evidence talking about how he wouldn’t walk or the depictions. The theory also seems to heavily rely on Ivar and Imar being the same person. Which maybe they are but the name mistranslation doesn’t really make sense to me either
@guster2244
@guster2244 Жыл бұрын
It bugged me how they all talked in this sort of halting whisper
@rauw2337
@rauw2337 Жыл бұрын
Bjorn and Ivar both were Berserkers
@PoeticMenace_
@PoeticMenace_ Жыл бұрын
Could you do olaf the white
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
Working on it Clyde!
@AmericanInThePhillipines
@AmericanInThePhillipines Жыл бұрын
Not sure if "cripple" is the word you want to use.
@smasongarrison
@smasongarrison Жыл бұрын
Disabled would be better. Really any word that has less ableist vibes.
@historyprofiles
@historyprofiles Жыл бұрын
My apologies if I caused any offence - none was indented in the production of the video
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