Was killing Mr House RIGHT or WRONG for the Wasteland? - A Fallout LORE Perspective

A video that dives into the lore and moral philosophy behind one of the most controversial figures in the Fallout universe.
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[@ShoddyCast]

Here's a link to the full-scale image of Robert 'Elon Musk' House. That's in case you're nerdy enough to make it your cellphone wallpaper: twitter.com/shoddycast/status/954579337621196800 A new update to the in-game lore database is coming over the weekend. This month's category to unlock: POWER ARMOR. ~DOWNLOAD LINKS~ PC (Bethesda.net) | bethesda.net/en/mods/fallout4/mod-detail/4042260 PC (Nexus) | www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/27629/ XBOX ONE | bethesda.net/en/mods/fallout4/mod-detail/4040890 Note to my fellow TES fans: I have a Morrowind script currently in the works. If I can ever shake this upper respiratory infection I might even turn it into a video one day! -Josh

[@noname19111]

I think that killing Mr.House was wrong because nobody wants to control his robot army for good

[@obiedientservent]

Love the New Vegas stuff ShoddyCast, I have one input i think you forgot in the video, Is not the courier the true check on Mr. house's authority. I protested the strike on the Bos (but ultimately agree because they are techno-terrorists); I told house about hackers i helped get info on him, I am idolized by almost every faction in the wasteland, I have superior weapons, I have armor that make me invisible and auto-medicates me, I have millions of dollars worth every form of currency in the wasteland, I marched into Caesar's camp with impunity and laid waste to everyone there all by myself, and most important of all.... "I" have the platinum chip to access him! House is not the biggest threat to democracy in the waste land, I am. I need House and House needs me, we are each others checks and balances. Thank you in advance if you find the time to reply, I always enjoy your perspective.

[@TemplePH]

I miss this kind of thoughts and presentation

[@patrichausammann]

Please, don't kill Mr. House! 😂

[@nerdsofthecorn1216]

To the question at 0:51 seconds: Harold But in all seriousness, this is a very good video.

[@Zack-et9wj]

Basically, Everyone playing Command and Conquer While Mr House Playing Civilization

[@alwaysmeepin9609]

Zack Immortal except yesman, he’s playing can’t say no for eternity

[@deaansugee]

Everyone's playing CNC, House is playing Civ and I'm playing Counter Strike just shooting whatever feels shootable

[@germangamingvideos6069]

@@deaansugee Nah your playing US school system

[@dario9793]

@@deaansugee🤣🤣🤣 your comment has killed me

[@Seriona1]

@@alwaysmeepin9609 Yes Man is playing Hearts of Irons.

[@joshuaseabrook9835]

Huh... Mr. House... space travel... * looks to obsidian's new game*

[@3-d634]

Ooohhh I'm the passenger and I ride and I ride

[@raymints9583]

@@3-d634I ride through the city's backside

[@3-d634]

@@raymints9583 I see the stars come out of the sky

[@DTWesker]

......Oh my God.

[@ProjectASkate]

his dreams did come true...

[@academicdelinquent2347]

House's demeanor: Off putting. His words: insensitive His mustache: *O F F E N S I V E*

[@marcoboscarol2420]

You. Made.Me. giggle like a 10 year old GG-cup equipped anime "girl". Have a like XD

[@cambo1158]

3:27

[@guardrailhitter]

man, if it was an actual hitler mustache it would be 10/10 tbh

[@As567na]

Hotel?: Trivago!

[@5000MikeMaster]

Yeah because Caesar (the guy who crucifies and enslaves niggas) is SO much better 😤 god forbid house is “insensitive”

[@robertedwinhouse80]

I’m still waiting for the platinum chip that the courier is supposed to send me

[@Digital_Pimp]

REAL

[@civilizedhuman7875]

I gave you it , I destroyed the brother hood of steel , I was an ally of them , I’m an Ace in the hole , I destroyed the NCR and Caesar’s legion, now I want Money (okay), House now I’m a GOD , I’m here only because, the Contract.

[@bypy3544]

what about the platinium drip

[@Random_Crow3]

@@bypy3544 that is an item reserved for kings, which Mr. house still has yet to earn.

[@bypy3544]

@@Random_Crow3 ok i need to steal it but in a cool way how do i do it in a cool way

[@josephdavis1704]

I think killing or not killing xXpussydestroyerxX from fo76 is a more complex ethical dilemma

[@yokainov2433]

He still did a lot of good for the people of the wasteland......

[@MarcoBMark-rt6ke]

Aidan Davis we do not need pussies,better leave him alive

[@Kaledarkwind6151]

I will counter that complex dilemma with this.... you play that game???

[@josephdavis1704]

@@Kaledarkwind6151 no lol

[@jessethomas6562]

The Greatest problem

[@henrylaxative8840]

You killed House because you felt morally obligated to, I killed House because I wanted Vegas for myself; we are not the same

[@Ghostguy693]

Same lmao

[@b_de_silva]

I killed him for the NCR but when he asked why i just said It was because i dont like him

[@Ares-rv5cl]

but how did he conquer new vegas? i killed mr house

[@kenstewart7700]

I killed him because I was sick of him telling me what to do and he was extremely ugly looked like a testicle

[@rickboi7123]

I did it because Caesar kept “confinscating” my items

[@spetsnazcammando]

The voice actor of Mr.House has died. RIP Rene Auberjonois.

[@master-gb2rg]

spetsnazcammando rip

[@morgan0__o]

awwww ;(

[@TheXarus]

@@grayling2 RIP Odo :(

[@thomasdie7689]

F

[@ericglenn9984]

RIP. How do you know this? That's another level of fandom

[@chickencurry420]

The Brotherhood has laid hands on people though. Before the game takes place, Father Elijah had the Brotherhood attack Helios One and got his ass kicked by the NCR. Then they declared war on the NCR as a whole simply because they wouldn't hand over their technology. And they also stop people on the road and demand they give them all their technology in a way that is a single threat &/or a tone of voice away from a straight mugging. And let's not forget that when you first meet them, they strap a bomb collar on you. If they ever met Mr. House, they wouldn't necessarily attack him, but that's also the single most likely outcome of that encounter. Or could you imagine the bloodbath if they ever found the Silver Rush? The Brotherhood are fanatics that may or may not attack anyone and everyone but themselves just for their technology. To that extent, the Brotherhood isn't that different from Raiders, they're just better organized, slightly less violent, and have a more specific type of loot in mind

[@Gamer-ry6xy]

The difference is that Mr. House is only a major faction in the Mojave but the Brotherhood is likely a major faction in the wasteland so there's a reason why the four main factions in New Vegas want the Brotherhood gone because they prove dangerous and unsustainable to maintain in their organization just look at how they betrayed the NCR due to their fetichism with technology.

[@reilysmith5187]

What di you mean I'd they ever found the silver rush? You're literally send to eradicate them just like you're send to eradicate the BoS if you depose the original leader. Kind of ironic.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

If you help Hardin become Elder his task for you to become BOS member IS to eradicate Silver Rush 😂. THOUGH IN THEIR DEFENCE, while I see why House wants to eradicate them, this time BOS kinda spitting fax, Silver Rush is a den of villainy, they wanted to kill Cass for even slightly challenging their market, that has to be, ironically very similar in terms of villany to what BOS does when they see someone have advanced tech😮

[@danielsurvivor1372]

​@@reilysmith5187 Ironic because Silver Rush wanted Cass gone due to competition, kinda like gow BOS also hates anyone but them having technology

[@wicto8450]

​@@danielsurvivor1372The Van Graffs are douches, yeah, but the Brotherhood wants them death because they sell energy weapons, not because they kill other caravans that could enter in the market.

[@cfroi08]

"The Brotherhood of Steel represents an organization in the Mojave that hasn't threatened, or raised its hand against an independent New Vegas" Yeah they just planned to take away electricity from the Mojave region to power a super satellite laser cannon that only they can use.

[@gpheonix1]

im pretty sure that was under elijah's rule. If i remember right he wasnt popular.

[@KingKhanate1997]

Elijah was militant as fuck. Which is saying something considering it’s the goddamn Brotherhood he was in charge of. He wasn’t even a Knight or Paladin. Just a power hungry former scribe.

[@cullenmitchell9165]

That was under Elijah. He was militant and crazy.

[@mikess56]

Cullen Mitchell still could’ve happened though, could happen again

[@SolarFlareAmerica]

And yet in the "good" brotherhood ending they end up opening up to the world and becoming more than just technology hoarders. The fact that Mr. House can't control or verify them goes to show that they of all people in the Mojave could have virtually any future.

[@dananaditya9347]

"Apple's CEO doesn't command an army of killer robots..at least not yet.. " Such powerful foreshadowing

[@johnhall7215]

My English teacher would bust a fat one over that

[@nygeriunprence]

*Amazon's CEO

[@iRradiantRayne]

Im convinced that Zuckerberg already has an army of synths at his disposal lol

[@logoutnexttime4883]

@@iRradiantRayne the cyber lord, Zuckerborg...

[@vernedictb.valentine2057]

@@iRradiantRayne Zuck *IS* the Synth

[@КириллКулаков-ц1ь]

I didn't kill him. I gave him the chip, I did my job! We are all couriers, remember?

[@TheCrackedFirebird]

I was just a pissed off mailman, trying to track down the chicken shit that shot me in the head. House tripped up and treated me like an barbaric throw back to an earlier age. He became collateral damage.

[@ningyo5855]

Thing is... You stopped being a courier when Benny shot you twice in the head. Why would you continue with your job after making friends with so many people and getting probably 30 times the caps the Mojave Express was going to pay you for it?

[@exudeku]

nah I didn't even met him (laughs in mods)

[@pedrofromrio645]

Zerk Same brother

[@SunnySelena420]

Doing that broke my game

[@john98765333]

Coming back to this after a while. It was originally set for there to be an option to get house to spare the Brotherhood of steel, but it was cut because of time and because if they allowed it it would make House seem like too good of a choice.

[@saywhat9393]

Nah, it was out of character for him. His ego is too big for him to spare the BoS.

[@asonofliberty3662]

@@saywhat9393 do you think the brotherhood of steel would let house have control of technology especially prewar tech? Their literal goal is to steal that technology if deadly force is required then so be it. It’s not about ego it’s about reality.

[@hushamfusion]

@@asonofliberty3662 Let them try; they are spread too thin, with numbers too low after HELIOS to try to do anything

[@zachrobinson6801]

@@saywhat9393 Not even his ego really. The Mojave chapter are a bunch of fanatics and every ending besides the one where they ally with the NCR (and the NCR wins) shows that they just harass anyone the come across. If you look at Veronica’s quest and have her leave the brotherhood, they attack her and slaughter all of the Followers of the Apocalypse in their outpost out of fear of them gaining more tech. If they’d slaughter the Followers, the nicest faction in the wasteland, they sure as hell wouldn’t support an autocrat who dreams of an advanced civilization and is in control of a robot army.

[@hunterofsource2884]

Knowing Brotherhood of Steel would happily kill the followers, I would be more pissed against Mr. House if there is even a choice to spare them. Remember, Brotherhood of Steel is not a good faction, its only Bethesda version which turns them into a knight with a shining armor. The true one is a bunch of rebelling ex - military (or rather their descendants) which hoard tech. Specifically the one that puts people into grave.

[@thomasweeden2683]

Who would win? A supergenius multi-billionaire with advanced technology the world has barely ever seen and over 200 years of experience. OR One maily boi

[@micahsheldon2394]

Melee?

[@thomasweeden2683]

Micah Sheldon nah man, Maily. As in Mailman, i.e., Courier.

[@micahsheldon2394]

@@thomasweeden2683 Ah.

[@skumomcbee1255]

Must have delivered more than just mail

[@theginjaninja132]

Depending on your character build and roleplay you could make his fate the most ironic and tragic in the franchise

[@davidsendy1869]

“Power doesn’t corrupt, it only reveals, want to test the measure of a man, give him all the power in the world and see what he does with it.”

[@Dorkeydaze]

I just got a boner that was such a good quote.

[@davidsendy1869]

@@Dorkeydaze It was from some shitty video about Devil May Cry, don't know where they got it from

[@trashtronics1700]

I would personally take a nap but to all there own

[@PerfectAlibi1]

If I was given absolute power (and more importantly, immortality), I wouldn't do anything but play the occasional HARMLESS prank... XD

[@FantasticMrFox123]

@@davidsendy1869 Pretty sure it was originally written by Robert Caro in The Power Broker

[@andymcp4752]

Even if you regret your choice, its not like its the end of the world, that happened ages ago

[@ethan-kc8rg]

Andy Mcp lol

[@amerlad]

damn... the house always wins indeed.

[@Will-bo7kg]

Restore? I'd say make a better one. From the ground up the great war was a reset button. they shouldn't waste this chance. Cause i dont think they have enougth uranium for a second one :)

[@castor9907]

@@Will-bo7kg *plutonium

[@SamFerndz]

classic.

[@fangorn23]

Nah, I'm with House on this. the Brotherhood of Steel go out of their way to be answerable to nobody except themselves, AND insist on sitting on a pile of weaponry that could outfit a small army "because only we should be trusted with it" Bullshit. They are way more likely than Mr House is to attempt something drastic. At least Mr House is emotionally invested in seeing Vegas do well, which requires healthy citizens to want to come there and spend money, which requires safe roads and so on and whatnot. BoS just keeps stumbling into having access or even brief control of massive weapons, and frankly that's way more suspicious than anything Mr House actually has done. And while Mr House has disdain for the citizens of the wasteland, that's because he disdains everyone who is not Mr House. The Brotherhood of Steel disdain everyone else because they literally think they are inherently better than wastelanders, regardless of actions or morality. Like come on, its not quite there but is just one or two charismatic leaders away from becoming a racial purity thing. Also in the Yes Man ending, he reveals that Mr House actually had detailed blueprints for moon colonies and spaceships and so on. Mr House isnt bullshitting. He's just an abrasive dick. Which frankly puts him on par with every other faction leader you encounter in the game, including the BoS. meanwhile... most of your argument against House isnt based on his actual actions, just the potential there for action. I'd say be a decent employee/2nd in command and he'll be emotionally invested in seeing you survive too. He sure seemed adequately motivated in that way by the time the BoS murder-mission came up

[@flamingdeathbanana]

Counterpoint... He kills the Kings in every ending that he's alive. That alone makes me kill him every playthough.

[@fangorn23]

@@flamingdeathbanana no? just resolve the conflict between the kings and the NCR. it seems like an NCR positive thing but really you're just making the kings stop picking on House's best [only] customers

[@flamingdeathbanana]

@@fangorn23 if you have them side with the NCR in a House playthrough House kills them all

[@fangorn23]

@@flamingdeathbanana I swear they were fine when I got done with all the king relevant quests and ncr relevant quests. maybe I'm wrong since its only an end screen slide. still they were obsessive street toughs and only the King himself had any sense of community responsibility. they could be so good for the community and they just.... arent

[@DHAGSFU]

@@flamingdeathbanana There is an ending in which house sees the kings as loyal and spares them actually. House is the best ending for NV.

[@ThanhLai5]

I killed Mr. House with a 9 iron just to complete an achievement that the game had to offer, nothing personal.

[@maxv0085]

Thanh Lai a man chooses, a slave obeys. And you my friend seem to be a slave

[@bioemiliano]

@@maxv0085 He chose to do that for the achievement

[@maxv0085]

Bio Emiliano a slave to the achievements

[@5KIMB]

LEMONHEAD3232 well, he chose, but obeyed.

[@yalcngundogdu8639]

@@maxv0085 LOL

[@Vitorruy1]

"After all of that, the future of mankind.... why?" "I just didn't like you."

[@ethanmalcolm6088]

My logic.

[@Jurassic0Al]

Votorruy1- "FOOL! To let *personalities* derail future of mankind? Stupid!"

[@irllcd13]

"Because war never changes."

[@MrSamulai]

"Stfu and get in mah belly!"

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

I killed him because he didn't pay me enough for the platinum chip. If its so priceless why is he going to offer a measly sum. Even if I can't argue with the man for a higher pay, it doesnt make me stupid enough to not know its value. How many securitrons do you think he has, how many weapons would be enabled? It'd be worth at least hundreds of thousands of bottlecaps.

[@tsukkisbaka514]

Get ready ya'll apparently Mr. House was born in 2020.. better prepare. (Edit): It's June 25th to be exact. (2nd Edit): AYY HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR. HOUSE!!! Thanks for keeping me updated by replying ya'll and thanks for the likes 😂😂

[@Jon-ky2cz]

Peace&Quiet we all are

[@BADVlBES]

mr house made tik toks

[@buildawall5803]

@@BADVlBES I need a weapon

[@thewarden6050]

@@buildawall5803 And some Mjinor armor.

[@pugsalwayswin1596]

soap sud I vote we light every hospital on fire in 2020 to be safe

[@detectivephelps9805]

You mentioned pre-emptive strikes when discussing House eliminating the Brotherhood. But is killing House on the presumption that he COULD become a tyrant not also a pre-emptive strike?

[@Tindog42656]

Yes if you kill house BEFORE he insists on killing the BOS that is no better but if you do it once he makes you destroy them you are doing the moral choice.

[@NitroNick9000]

Well, by the time the Courier reaches House, he kinda already rules Vegas like a dictator and blatantly admits plans to be one when asked. Not so much a pre-emptive strike as much as taking out a threat

[@aydenhernandez2572]

​@@NitroNick9000 "Taking out a threat", that is precisely what Mr. House is doing against the BoS, Mr. House knows that no matter how long a truce may last their hatred of technology would eventually lead to conflict, when in the bunker you can literally hear them talking about destroying New Vegas, if that's not a future threat I don't know what is.

[@aeternusthegoat]

yes. and killing the BOS is hardly preemptive considering they have already attacked him by destroying securitrons and are known to rob and murder innocent people who have advanced tech or get help from ex BOS members, meaning that if the brotherhood lives it is a certainty that they will come for house.

[@blueyindustries8503]

@@NitroNick9000 “I prefer the term autocrat”

[@hanieldarrison]

this was incredibly well made

[@raphax3099]

Wtf you have 1 million subscribers

[@raphax3099]

@Diavoloit's strege seeing a guy with 1 million just laying around

[@raphax3099]

@Olli Koskiniemi yeah

[@bricksymalone493]

I know I’m late but holy hell Daniel Harrison is a a chad fallout man

[@midtierjesus]

people with lots of subs always comment simple shit cause they know subs = more comment likes

[@tracerpose7710]

*watches this video* *immediately re-installs New Vegas to play it again*

[@johnsonjj117]

The itch is burning me something bad.

[@poofbomb-minecraftmore1883]

tracerpose the real question is: why did you ever uninstall

[@eracli0]

SHAME.. SHAME.. SHAME..

[@Cocacolucarasol869]

Easy Pete is best factions in this game, at least you can sit all day and say howdy to everyone you meet.

[@TZIDuffman]

Atomic Nyanron you sound like a radposter

[@tacoman2147]

And the dynamite

[@juanpablogaray3265]

Howdy

[@CanadianHoneybadger]

BASTARD!

[@CanadianHoneybadger]

(its a reference to a stream joke, don't hurt me!)

[@SquaficleDude]

There's a huge argument against the Brotherhood, one that rears its head in Fallout 4. Elder Maxon represents the absolute worst tyranny can offer. The brotherhood destroys Rivet City simply for a power source- by force. They enslave the Commonwealth for food supplies. They act like raiders- unstoppable raiders. They went from an organization to a tyrannical, unstoppable government. It's debatable whether House, at full power with his securitrons, could actually defeat the Fallout 4 BoS. They become as bad as the Enclave. Yes, they're separated by chapters, but Maxon unified the Brotherhood and made it a nationwide entity, undivided. House is right to have them destroyed, and his vision for the future is the best and most logical there is.

[@xxxCrackerJack501xxx]

Considering antique cannons managed to destroy the Brotherhood's flagship in Fallout 4 I'm pretty sure House (the guy who shot down Nuclear ICBM's _before_ his defense grid was updated with the platinum chip) and his army of advanced Securitrons would do just fine against anything Maxson could throw at him.

[@eagleye2893]

@@xxxCrackerJack501xxx to be fair those antique cannons where only possible because of some Military warhero ( Nate is cannon fight me ) who killed a Deathclaw on his first day on the commonwealth.

[@Femroe]

Agreed. Not to mention that the benevolent Elder Lyons from Fallout 3 is an anomaly within the Brotherhood of Steel. They're not the good guys, and their ideology about misuse of technology being the catalyst for the Great War is just factually wrong within the game's lore. The Brotherhood of Steel is a tyrannical organisation within the game's lore that has no long term goal for the future, and House is right to fear them. Not just because of his robot army, but because of the highly advanced technology that is keeping him alive. The Brotherhood would not hesitate if they were given the option of obtaining that technology at the cost of having to kill Mr. House. And seeing as he can't live without it, they'd always be a potential threat against his very life.

[@eagleye2893]

@@Femroe agreed. Unless the BOS or even the Enclave start following Lyons example, both sides are better off dying then existing as they are.

[@chilwil07]

@@Femroe fo3 Lyons is exactly why the BoS isn’t hopeless their ideals are warped and justified by their fear of conflict that led to the bombs nearly wiping out humanity it’s what the foundation of the brotherhood is but showing that they can become protectors of a new era in humanity and keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of the uncivilized who might use them even if it means mass destruction but him taking in non birthright folks led to fo4 Lyons taking their original ideals to an extreme

[@NinjasticFlare]

Another thing is that if you have good karma, in the endgame, House says he's proud of you as a lieutenant. It only happens with good/very good karma. It might signify that House is going on a better path with you as his agent.

[@truekurayami]

Despite that note about House in a good/very good karma ending all it still shows is the case of when and if he turns malicious either you are no longer there to help keep him in check, or becomes one more story of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

[@admiralspire8867]

Akuma Imayaruk I'm pretty sure House can find a way to keep the courier alive. Think about it, the Courier is at least as useful as the securitron army is to Mr House. Give him an order and it'll be done no matter what (assuming the courier is loyal to House). Perhaps could House enhance the Courier cybernetically (he has the tech to do so), or perhaps can he preserve the courier in a cryo or stasis pod. Possibilities are limitless. Also, House is not evil. He might be immoral at time, but he wants to save mankind, he want the best for his specie. Of course right now his scope extends only to New Vegas, but he probably has greater plans than that. House is a pragmatist, he uses immorals means to achieve a noble goal: to create a better future for humanity, and mankind NEEDS that, because else they'll be warring in an irradiated wasteland for eternity

[@truekurayami]

Lord Inquisiteur Willhelm Von Steiner While aside from removing the point about if House is Evil or not All you have done is show that House has the better means to sustain power over a long term, though keeping the Courier alive as you stated has some draw backs, as many of them can make it so the Courier is literally another securitron in usefulness or kept past the point he is useful to house. Now with the question about morals i.e. if House is Evil or not your point makes the same logic that has most killer A.I.s use to justify wiping out the human race for the good of all humans. With all that aside I will agree House is the best option in the game for already established leaderships, but just as problematic as the other two, in short the only option that actually guarantees the well being of the Mojave until the Courier dies is an Independent New Vegas under a Good/Very Good Karma Courier

[@YoungTroy23]

Akuma Imayaruk Not true exactly. If we look at Kellogg We see that he's over 120 years old and still looks the same as he did when the Institute recruited him. Their cybernetics not only enhanced him but lore-wise made him on par with the Coursers. Except better since he can think outside the box and operate with total autonomy making him unpredictable to his enemies. Not to mention cybernetics are already on the table at Big MT being able to replace many of your vital organs with cybernetics means it can be done. If the Institute can do it, who pale in comparison to the technological mastery of House and the scientists at Big M.T. than House can do it and better. He is after all the smartest man in the series.

[@randomnerd9088]

NinjasticFlare People dont realize that people have to do evil things for good reasons If you say ever see the Fallout 3 ending they may say this. Sometimes to save people you must kill those people. Good and Evil are not in shades of black and white and are instead grey. Look at say the Witcher 3. Your actions can result in both good and bad things happening at once no matter what you do. Free a Demon save children and doom a village to death. Save those kid tear a family apart and doom a man to suicide and doom the region to being ruled by a thug. Mr.House is a very smart man and knows that he has to achieve his goals and also knows that many dont see the bigger pictutr and hence he must become a tyrant.

[@Vulkanprimarch]

On my first play through I loved Mr. House honest, to the point, no BS. Great guy. Loved the idea of New Vegas open to anyone. And a beacon of hope for future advancement.

[@insanegamer23899]

On my first play through I sided with the Legion, not because I wanted to be evil though. At first I'd been planning to work with Yes Man, but when I went to the fort to get Benny and the Platinum chip, I was won over by Caesar's charisma and the logic and ideals his Legion is based on. Unlike the NCR, he is focused on creating a new(ish) society that is best suited to long term survival in an unforgiving wasteland. While his methods are cruel, I found his goal a good enough justification since survival should be the primary goal of humanity in the situation it finds itself in in Fallout

[@hex8787]

@@insanegamer23899 Caesar dies, the Legion dies with him.

[@thatoneguy9615]

Hector Diaz Not if you or someone else similarly competent replace him. He admits it himself, with the conquest of Vegas the Legion will transform from a wandering army to something more settled now that it has a proper capital. and will that it's inevitable that Caesar will think of matters of succession. Even if the legion falls apart, the areas it conquered are devoid of mutants and most dangerous mutated beasts, allowing for a more stable Gene pool. Not to mention shared language and a better attitude for technology compared to what they had. Even if these territories become hosts to rival warlords the history of Europe shows that trade will flourish easier with the shared language and cultural heritage

[@hex8787]

@@thatoneguy9615 Yeah I can't picture a bunch of slavers turning into a flourishing modern day Roman empire. If you like them that's cool, but I'm more of a Mr. House guy myself. I don't really think the Legion stands for Caesar's ideas either, rather the man himself.

[@thatoneguy9615]

Hector Diaz I likewise prefer House, I just find it too often that people dismiss the legion out of hand. Rome itself started out as a bunch of slavers as well after all, although if the legion wants to win it likely needs to conquer Vegas then negotiate for peace to catch up as a settled civilization... and send a new wave of frumentarii in preparation for the next war.

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

Destroying the Brotherhood wasn't entirely unprovoked, he sent securitrons to them in an attempt to have talks with them and they were destroyed by laser weapons. It's extreme, but it's technically not a preemptive strike.

[@sebas8225]

It´s more like House is doing a long term favor for his plans and a lipservice to the NCR, since they should´ve been the ones to take care of the BoS problem to begin with (the bunker was in territory that NCR expansion claimed anyways).

[@bobbybologna3029]

It's funny all the factions had the same opinion of the BoS and every single game has proven them right lol Elder Lyon's Chapter was one of the only somewhat benevolent chapter we've seen and after Arthur Maxon grows up the fucker takes the BOS to Rivet City and takes their generator from them and mounts it to their airship.

[@michaelgoldsmith9359]

MetroidJunkie he knew they hated all external tech he should have sent a human messenger

[@Rixoli]

3 things worth noting here, 1) The Brotherhood of Steel (Mojave chapter in particular) does not play nice with anyone. Not the minutemen of the commonwealth (Who they more or less would've left to pick up the pieces after they ravaged the commonwealth then moved on), not the Capital Wasteland's inhabitants (Edit: Credit where due, the East coast chapter in retrospect seemed decent-ish enough), Not the NCR (who they are openly hostile against). Odds of them playing ball with House i'd put next to 0 likelihood. House has even sent a messenger or two out already to try and make contact which was promptly shot to bits 'n pieces. Trying to claim "But it wasn't one of OUR robots" doesn't really make for a strong case in your defense. 2) The BOS are technophiles one and all. If you have something shiny they want, they will happily shoot you in the head and pocket it, if they're feeling charitable that particular day they'll even ask you for it first. Consider then that Mr. House is one of the biggest names in pre-war technology and has been alive since before the bombs fell...without becoming a ghoul....I give it all of 5 years tops before the BOS is knocking on New Vegas' doors trying to get their meat beaters on the schematics for House's robots let alone his life-sustaining machine. 3) What exactly does the BOS bring to the table aside from having exceptionally intelligent members? Followers of the Apocalypse are more cooperative and it's members are knowledgeable in many fields. House doesn't need them for protection/security, he has robots for that and the houses on the strip not to mention the Boomers up north and Great Khans to the West should he need to extend his reach to fleshier allies. On top of that having them on the table sours relations with the NCR who House still needs good rapport with to roll in the funding and materials needed for his end-goal. TL;DR The BOS brings nothing but hyper-aggressive theft of tech House may need and pissing the NCR off, which he may still want the backing of somewhere down the line.

[@hidan407]

@@Rixoli this is why my knife finds every throat of a BOS member It can get to before I start snapping necks. Just because they hate ghouls and super mutants and the like and kill as much as they can doesnt mean people should run to them saying they are the best hope for survival. I made friends with ghouls and supermutants and a syths and they want to pretty much kill all my friends just because they exist. They think they have the right to own all the advanced tech to "save us from ourselves" and get it no matter what. With all the bad rep they bring on themselves, I wouldnt be surprised if all the other factions came to a " agreement" that the BOS need to perish and any member of the group will be killed kn sight

[@glaive616]

I love this character, “I killed him because he charged me taxes” “understandable” But I really wish you didn’t have to kill the brotherhood when you side with him.

[@fearthefunnyman1201]

Besides the fact they execute the followers just because veronica talked to them

[@blacknoir3816]

Theres a mod on nexus were you can ally them

[@zachrobinson6801]

@@fearthefunnyman1201 Exactly. People forgot that the Brotherhood of Steel are only good or at least reasonable in Bethesda’s fallout games (3 and 4). Ever since Fallout 1 the Brotherhood has been a bunch of dicks who don’t care about the wasteland at all. Veronica’s quest proves that.

[@hunterofsource2884]

why wouldnt you want to eradicate brotherhood of steel? Unlike Bethesda version that make the faction turns into a knight in shining armor. The original version of Brotherhood of Steel are mostly bunch of tech hoarders. Not savior of wasteland. They even kill the entire followers in an outpost at one of the quest with Veronica

[@WouldYouKindlyGWAR]

The west coast brotherhood are assholes and no where no worth saving. I love the brotherhood and have no problem killing them for house. I wish the east coast or mid western brotherhoods prosperity and good treatment in any future canon. Bethesda's writing though...Well, could be worse, maybe.

[@Ant-jr8ty]

Mr. House's attack of the brotherhood wasn't unprovoked. They had already proven their hostile intent towards house by attacking his robots. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that they would've attacked house if given the chance due to him having tech.

[@lordfatcock]

They definitely would've killed him just to hoard and study the tech and probably never use it.... But just to have it.

[@brianshissler3263]

@@lordfatcock shiny things are nice

[@neven8043]

The main reason for joining up with house was because of this. The brotherhood in the Mojave are dicks that stuck with the old shitty traditions since fallout 1. Thats why they are strongest in the east because they abandoned those shitty tradition for the most part. But they have children and i didnt want to be a child killer

[@rasputinsson6038]

Yeah, and I just completed Veronica's quest in a way I never have before and realized something new. If you tell her to leave she tries to join the Followers, but some BoS guys hear about it and murder all of the Followers at the outpost. That alone made me change my mind about them. That base is gonna blow soon

[@ChonkedCat]

Rasputin's Son SAAME WHEN THEY MURDERER THAT OUTPOST I WENT AND BLEW UP THE BUNKER

[@nickersonbrothers5321]

Mr house is nothing compared to president Dave , glorious RULER OF THE REPUBLIC OF DAVE

[@mrjmishere725]

hahaha yeah!

[@clownsanity]

XD

[@danieldeak9141]

Killed him... TWICE!!!

[@joeyhuddleston7072]

I voted for Dave, personally. Don't know about you guys.

[@ultron1509]

Dave is a much more dictator than House.

[@TheLlamaHaze]

Fun fact, Mr House is considered an "abomination" and killing him counts toward the "abominable" perk.

[@shahadjz2]

TheLlamaHaze hahahaha

[@martingrey2004]

That’s funny

[@temporaryhalfdecentname8452]

TheLlamaHaze I think that’s because of the whole being kept alive for hundreds of years by machines

[@irllcd13]

Libertarians are abominations so it makes sense.

[@Gun_Metal_Grey]

@@irllcd13 But House is not a libertarian you dum-dum

[@smokinbonez420]

to be fair, the brotherhood had a history of attacking and destroying his securitions unprovoked if they even got near hidden valley

[@jakechinn6561]

The problem with the Brotherhood argument is the assumption that the Brotherhood might not attack Mr House. The Brotherhood's entire mentality goes against the very concept of the robot army wielded by House. Hell the Brotherhood is often in some state of conflict with nearly every major power in the wasteland since nearly every major power uses energy weapons in some capacity. They may have a just goal in mind but driven by their beliefs they often resort to banditry and violence. If their goal is ever achieved it would result in Brotherhood domination over the entire wasteland with insane weapons of war, not to mention their goal would be nearly impossible to due to weapon schematics. The Brotherhood isn't a loose variable they are a dangerous certainty to any wastelander.

[@jorgeandrespalma2134]

That is, if you choose to overthrow Elder McNamara, as Hardin is the type of guy who recklessly kills everything on his path. House thinks of the NCR as a powerful ally, and you can opt to do a truce between BoS and NCR, so I think a deal could be made between House and McNamara.

[@jakechinn6561]

@@jorgeandrespalma2134 A peace with McNamara isn't peace with the brotherhood though. It would be a short term localised peace.

[@l-DrFizz-l]

Jorge Andrés Palma sadly convincing house that you kept the brotherhood in check was cut from game

[@mojave5664]

Kenji Dayan You can download a mod for it. I prefer to kill the Brotherhood tho

[@Tindog42656]

@@mojave5664 why?

[@johngetthatmoney-doe7824]

Such a good fucking game

[@jgroth3906]

The fact that people are still arguing which faction is best to this day is a testament to the genius of Obsidian's writers.

[@jiririnagl6838]

exactly

[@ulysses767]

Forsaken Pumpkin dude I see you on almost every vid bashing Vegas just stfu or actually bring a good argument to the table as to why you think we're all hypnotized or in the illusion that the games choices are creative. P.S. they are.

[@aestheticgame1369]

At least its bettter than fallout 3 and 4

[@TDenterpriser]

Hold the phone the smartest character in Fallout is not House it is No-Bark

[@ScoutJoe]

If anyone asks, we never spoke - No-bark Noonan

[@claymeistereu]

Scout Ranger commie ghosts, they want to paint the moon pink and draw a lenin face on it

[@theadministrator6998]

If anyone asks, we never spoke

[@ScoutJoe]

You've seen them too haven't you? I can see it in your eyes, I knew I wasn't the only one

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

I know a spell that'll make you show your true form!

[@urthofthenewsun8465]

What I find fascinating is that Mr House is speaking to you through a voice filter that simulates his young self. It would be interesting if someone re-recorded every one of his voice lines in the creepy 200+ yr old voice which you hear in his chamber. If he spoke like that for the entire game I think our perception of him would instantly go from Howard Hughes visionary virtuoso to Emperor Palpatine creepy tech wizard.

[@richardarriaga6271]

Or Elon in 10 years

[@MDE_never_dies]

You find it interesting and then go on explain the exact reasoning as to why he would do that. He’s smart enough to know human’s are simple surface-level creatures that need things presented in a more presentable and palatable package. The guy was a salesman after all.

[@coopersmith9828]

The Brotherhood of Steel differs with each game and sect, but the Mojave chapter is arguably the most radical, seeing as how the original chapter worked with the NCR, the Capital chapter's mission was to give people free water, and the Commonwealth guys decided to clear out the two shadiest factions in fallout, for free, then move on. The Mojave chapter took Helios One, saw what damage it could do in the wrong hands, and decided that all hands other than theirs where wrong. They could have easily destroyed the place, but no, they had to be mighty about it. All they do, is look for tech, and either take it from it's rightful owners, or destroy it. They just sit in Hidden Valley, reproducing, re-arming, and representing the worst of the Brotherhood. People talk about them attacking Vegas? Let's talk about them attacking Big Empty, the Nuclear silos of the divide, or God forbid, taking Elijah's path at Sierra Madre. Hell who's to say that they don't see electricity and water as "too much power for civilians" and attack Hoover Dam? Legion wouldn't stand a chance, NCR would last, but not forever, and Independent Vegas would struggle to work together well enough and long enough to stop them. And if they get it? The Brotherhood, now that The Enclave is gone, are already the most advanced group in the west. Now add the power of The Dam, the wondertech of Big Empty, the endless supply of the Vending Machines, the Nuclear power of The Divide, and hell, even the Archimedes Satellites that they know how to power up and use; and you get a group more powerful than all other groups combined, but as shortsighted as a raider camp. Name one likeable person in that bunker. Veronica was kicked out, so she doesn't count. House has the knowledge and aspirations that the Elders lack. The Brotherhood would never think of space travel! And if they did, it would be theirs only. House may have very little compassion or interest in the affairs of the people, but he has more than the Brotherhood of Steel.

[@RKNGL]

I would argue the Fallout 4 BOS is far more radical but the Mojave Chapter both sticks too the BOS' core ideology better and is also radicalized due to Elijah.

[@raptorjesus3894]

I see your point, although I disagree, somewhat. The BoS didn't destroy Helios because they were confident that they didn't need to, they couldn't get the weapon working and they're the most advanced faction in the west, what chance did the NCR have? The Brotherhood would never be an actual threat to any faction in the wastes, they're motivated by fear, they would rot in the bunker if the courier never interfered, they simply didn't have the manpower to do anything else.

[@StrifeRixa]

If you finish the brotherhood of steel quest the 'good' elder will actually claim they've strayed away from their mission out of fear and sets a goal to return to the surface and do good. The entire story actually sets up that none of them are evil or malicious but much rather misguided, as we see with their possible alliance with the NCR and protecting travelers to make up for the NCR's self destructive ambitions.

[@heckler4553]

Well i'm whipping the fuck out of them then. Their power armor training is going to be usefull. (Plus i'll use remnants power armor and bring veronica just to add some salt on the wound)

[@kiadimundi3610]

The only way the Brotherhood of steel is good in NV is if they make a truce with the NCR. Otherwise they are assholes

[@MrFTW733]

i loved that edit you did of House speaking over shots of old Las Vegas. Very inspiring, because the desert is the engineer's domain. The desert is where potential is for machine tests, weapons testing, vehicle testing and etc.

[@BlackLegion12621]

Not to mention that Las Vegas' existence is predicated on the existence of Hoover Dam, a construct and engineering marvel that harnesses one of the most powerful rivers in the world.

[@manz7860]

Always get chills driving to Vegas. I love when I have to go at night, I'll usually play "Stars of the Midnight Range"

[@christianfox7431]

I actually sided with Mr. House on my first NV playthrough, although it was simply for the caps. All my FO characters are financially motivated. Funny that.

[@l0sts0ul89]

Money is power after all

[@hautoa1513]

Glad to see someone that plays like me

[@SpaceCowboy260]

If you were financially motivated taking new Vegas for yourself would be better wouldn’t it?

[@DirtyFrigginHarry]

@@SpaceCowboy260 being a merc means your job is over when you get the caps though. Running new vegas lasts the rest of your life

[@SpaceCowboy260]

JazzYolo do you just stop working with house after giving him the chip or sum?

[@DanielTorres-ee4pl]

I choose the house ending every time I play because I love the fact I can roleplay as his top lieutenant essentially, being the number 2 to the biggest power in the Mojave

[@johnlucas2838]

There is so much more freedom to it too. Imagine being the top dog and having every faction watch your every move so they can strike when you slip up.

[@Ulyssescno.6]

Yes man ending makes you the big man in the Mojave so it,s better

[@MDE_never_dies]

Mr House is who I would pick if I were put in the shoes of the courier. Because I don’t care for Democracy, nor do I believe in Fascism. I also wise enough to know I am NOT the right person to rule New Vegas, but I am wise enough to step aside and follow another if I believe they are competent and the right person for that role. I would happily let a man with vision like House take the reigns of humanity, and there are many complicated reasons why that is, which I don’t have time to get into in a youtube comment.

[@gahagahabahaga1289]

@@MDE_never_dies average soyed out yes-man for mr house vs the chad king of vegas

[@MagicMan3K]

I wholeheartedly believe Mr. House should be able to keep what he saved regardless if he went dormant or not. For without him, there would be nothing to claim except more wasteland.

[@15jorada]

True. I sided with House not only because he would clearly make the world a better place than the NCR and the Legion ever could but also because that was literally my job. The courier and the chip was meant to go to him in the first place. The only problem with his plans was he was wrong on how quickly it would come. But for all intents and purposes, I'm giving House what is rightfully his.

[@cameronnorton5898]

Don't forget that House also saved the courier's life by having Victor dig them up.

[@Freethinker_94]

And just like that a good point was made

[@krzysztofaleksandrowicz9200]

This is precisely why I finshed my first playthrough by siding with Mr. House. I owe him my life and even thought he saved me for his own personal gain he placed his bet on the right horse, which should reward him with the ultimate victory.

[@danielfishburn7042]

Yes but he did it for himself not you

[@skell6134]

​@@danielfishburn7042He still thought that you're worth the time to save your ass tho You owe him your life either way and all he asks for from you is just your service And he still pays you fairly for missions,bruh In his ending he gives you entire penthouse at Lucky 38 for you to live in peace afrer all the work you done . -. If thats not enough evidence why House is best choice,i dunno then House ending with maxed barter is also much better outcome for freakin NCR than if NCR took over entire Mojave,lol

[@danielfishburn7042]

@@skell6134 that’s what I love about new Vegas is all the ending are basically bad lmao I love mr house but he’s the only one I’ve never sided with. I’m currently getting all the Xbox 360 achievements for new Vegas tho so I’m gonna do them all in the next couple days lmao I do like Mr house I just love fucking him over more lmaoooo

[@deadguy718]

Fallout: New Vegas: Has a thirteen minute video analyzing one single character with complex character traits and a true, unique personality, and not to mention, being an important part of the Fallout universe. Players will have to choose if they agree with his vision of the Mohave Wasteland/New Vegas, or destroy him and declare him a narcissistic megalomaniac. Fallout 76: Has 12-year old kids nuking each others bases until bedtime.

[@Hurmeri]

@William II Power yeah... armchairs... Skyrim. Single player only, folks still haven't stopped harping on about it. Same for Witcher, right? Same for every Deus Ex? All games that keep minting money even years after release. Clearly, without theit awsum multiplayer, they'd have sunk

[@sneedfeedandseed2410]

@Zakku hey now, lets keep this as civilized as possible. no need for toxicity

[@sebas8225]

F76 shouldnt even be canon!

[@joshuagraham5712]

Yeah 😞

[@lucifer2b666]

@William II Power I never thought about it that way. Shit. That's what's up. That's why the new games suck so bad. They aren't as thought provoking to us INTP/INTJs.

[@fatwe1992]

Mr. House is one of the most interesting characters ive ever had the pleasure of interactign with in a game. He is over 200 years old and you can really tell that he is from an older time. He is a man of vision from the past forced to make do with the horrid working conditions of the present. A true genius forced to work with a society of humans who, for the most part, have regressed to the point where the most efficient way to get your point across is with a gun. His ambitions, while murkey, are in the best interests of humanity (yes the road to hell is paved with good intentions but considering the state of the world is already pretty close to hell....). On my first playthrough I chose to follow House. For one, the NCR are so blatently corrupt I found it hard to belive they were the "good" guys. Ceasar's Legion is *almost* laughably evil so they are out. Yes Man was so off-putting (mostly becuase you find him in the room of the guy who tried to murder you and he flips loyalties faster than a lightswitch) so that leaves... the one man who is actually trying to rebuild humanity after the worst parts of it destroyed the world. Yes he weilds too much power. Yes, his motivations are kept to him and him alone, and yes, the thought of serving a glorified brain in a mummy is weird. But, in my mind, Mr. House is not deserving of an execution... he deserves a fucking medal.

[@BillyCobbOfficial]

The only bad to come of Mr. House’s ending is the eradication of the kings

[@sopmodjunyaaa]

Pretty sure they live if you help them kill the NCR squatters.

[@michman116]

Yup, if you support the fights of the Kings against ncr, some of them will atack the republic. House will see it as a loyalty to new vegas and decide to leave them alone

[@BillyCobbOfficial]

@@michman116 well shit, I gotta do that

[@dvaru2284]

big iron punk rock cover when

[@nadrewod999]

My only problem with Mr. House's ending is the BoS: they are literally the only faction in the Mojave Wasteland dedicated to studying, understanding, repairing, and maintaining as much pre-war technology as possible. They have plenty of suits of power armor and high-power energy weapons, but right now they're facing a crisis of both manpower and resources due to their disastrous battles with the NCR under Father Elijah's leadership. All that Mr. House has to do to transform "a potential future threat" into "an incredibly useful ally/asset" is just HIRE THEM AS CONTRACT ENGINEERS: House would provide them with the resources they need as well as security from the NCR, and in return, they would pledge their loyalty to House while serving as essentially a mix of armed security contractors and maintenance technicians. The BoS would be happy because their future was secured AND they'd be getting access to far more pre-war tech (and their full diagnostic schematics), while House would be happy because they would serve as BOTH "a biological backup in case of future hardware/software bugs" AND "yet another incentive to keep the NCR out of New Vegas and the Mojave Wasteland after the Second Battle at Hoover Dam. Worst case scenario, The Courier can pledge to personally wipe out the entire organization if they ever go back on the contract.

[@kekero540]

NCR dreams of the past Caesar lives in the present Mr. House sees the future

[@jonpatterson6477]

Wrong. Caesar modeled his society directly off of the old Roman Empire, he lives just as well in the past if not more so than the NCR.

[@kekero540]

Jon Patterson Caesars legion is modeled after the past but is adapted to the the current situation of the world. It is a savage brutal autocracy a reflection of the world it inhabits.

[@Clangokkuner]

@@kekero540 Mr house is also very naive, once he trusts someone he fails to factor in any potential that one of his allies might betray him, for example Benny is actually someone looking to betray him and he forgets that he's entirely gambling on the courier staying loyal to him

[@loseyourself5023]

King Tin Hou he has no other choice he needs someone who can enter Cesars camp and activate his robots he needs someone who will do his dirty work and our character is his sole choice moreover other factions do the same Cesar and ncr asks you to do their dirty work

[@kekero540]

King Tin Hou I think it’s because he doesn’t expect anyone to act against their own rational self interest.

[@KRIMZONMEKANISM]

I'd say, from a lot of what I've seen in Fallout regarding the BoS, that Mr. House's decision to wipe the Brotherhood off the face of the map comes from two variables: -the attempt to steal away Helios One's power and just outright engaging in violent warfare, and no, Mr. House likely didn't know Elijah was at the helm of this. -the fact that the Brotherhood is more pigheaded than most factions, and they are so for a reason that is incredibly selfish. Like House said, "you don't see the BoS going into hospitals to salvage the auto-docs do you?" In other words, as far as House knows, these isolationists are going to one day try to take back control, in the name of the old world, I mean, for what reason does one collect extremely dangerous tech? Suuuure. To "protect" mankind from itself, great. That's lovely. See, if this faction actually engaged more, and tried to actually help wastelanders, by giving them books, by repairing those auto-docs, and giving them to the more stable communities, then maybe House would even try to work alongside them. But their ideology is simply too "static" it leaves no room for development. It is an ever-stagnating way of life, as it is literally "collect tech, keep it away from other hands except our own". "But wait!" - I hear you say. "Aren't they trying to secure this tech for when there is a better mankind?" Yes, they are, and "when" will that be? Who decided the parameters on "when" to give back this information to the people? The answer: nobody. Because there are *NO* parameters. Because if there were indeed parameters for that, then the BoS would actually seek out these nodes of civilized society and give them gifts, and they would seek to help those who were trying to develop said society so they could eventually give them these gifts. But because the strongest message in their whole thinking is: "collect tech, save it for the future", that that's what they do, that's all they can think about. That's the easiest part of their freaking identity. But start talking about "sharing" and "outside contact" and suddenly you are almost villified by their community, or at least seen as an "excentric". And THAT is what Mr. House is seeing. And sure, I would say that out of all actions that House asks you to take, obliterating the Brotherhood is definately the worst thing. But let me you ask you this: "What choice does he have?" You want to "talk" with them, sort things out? They don't "talk" to people. And because they hide themselves, you can't even attempt to talk with them. AND they are better armed, and better armored than about 95% of the wastelanders. They are dangerous as hell and "unpredictable". And that's what scares House, that's what scares basically everybody. Ah yes, the Brotherhood! The bright shining beacon that shall light the path to a new mankind! Except that beacon is underground. And they'll take your tech by force if they have to. So inspiring. An ideology is only as good as the people who follow it, and the BoS members are not going to help mankind to arise from the ashes of the old world, because they are too busy sifting through it for its charred trinkets.

[@LordDaret]

It’s not just that house does not want to work with them, they literally won’t let him. He sent scouts to check them out and investigate them, but they kept shooting down the drones. Can’t show mercy if they keep killing your diplomats.

[@robloxdude19]

"If you want to see the fate of Democracies, look out the windows..." - Robert Edwin House, 2281

[@dodolicht4027]

House is still right, and the NCR is doomed to fail.

[@dodolicht4027]

Except that you won't care even if I show you real arguments, and nobody actually gives a shit about arguing on the internet, especially the youtube comment section.

[@dodolicht4027]

Just don't have the time right now, and I would rather argue on steam if you have it than the clunky youtube comment section.

[@dodolicht4027]

Discord?

[@dodolicht4027]

Gonna be on holiday for 2 weeks so not gonna be able to talk, send me a message after this so I remember when I return home.

[@browncoatz]

The mere fact that we can discuss this, a compelling, complex concept of even killing a character, shows that there was more effort put in this game storytelling wise, then in Fallout 4. Bethesda could take some notes for the next fallout, and hopefully the next elder scrolls game.

[@pieniadz9156]

browncoatz #BethesdaStopRuiningTESandFallout

[@NCRRanger7753]

Oh, Bethesda took notes. But those notes are sadly from EA, Activision etc. 😞

[@tonykoslowski5010]

Or just give the Fallout license to Obsidian, because its pretty much been established that they are way better at Fallout games than Bethesda.

[@Hafer_]

What do you mean "for the next elder scrolls game"? Sure Fallout 4 wasn't as good as NV but to this day you can see people arguing between Empire or Stormcloaks despite how half assed were these quests.

[@johnskitz4878]

Profit Potato im a true son of skrym

[@Coolcleverstone]

I wish you could disconnect Mr. House from the Securitrons and other such things, but keep on his life support and prevent him from being contaminated so he can continue to live. He's a valuable man, even without having much power. He is the type of man you want to listen to, even if you only consider it the ramblings of a centuries old man. Maybe the NCR can make visiting him a school field trip.

[@orxy5316]

NCR will burn ave true cesar

[@Jurassic0Al]

tomas romeiro- You'll have to finish burning your own Legates before you can get to us.

[@majora320]

Unless I am mistaken I believe it is possible to keep him alive while disconnecting him from the securitrons, I've never killed him and still managed to take control of vegas for myself.

[@shoopoop21]

I don't think House would suffer a life like that. He'd rather die than have what he build taken by someone else.

[@Late0NightPC]

IF you open that pod and put him back in it, you can take over without him. However that moment of being out of the pod let's him get sick, and if you go back some time later he will have died on some infection, so sadly there is no way to both save him, and get the Wild Card ending

[@CourtlySeaDog]

i could have sworn i was one of the few to admire house and side with him in my first playthrough. I didn't know people enjoyed killing him so much tbh Though, I wasn't a fan of the fact that he allowed the tribes he took in to remain of low moral fiber (minus the chairmen).

[@GrimTheDestroyer]

Since I played fo3 first and didn't understand there was a choice I chose House. Did all his dirty work completed the game without caring about NCR or Legion

[@GrimTheDestroyer]

On later playthroughs i tried to side with NCR or Yes Man but I could not because it felt wrong, like I am dooming the wasteland or sth

[@gahagahabahaga1289]

@@GrimTheDestroyer How are u dooming the wasteland by returning it to how it was before the bombs fell, aka ncr. Objectively the best outcome out of the 3

[@blahblah-blah179]

What the video doesn't mention is that House is 100% on the ball about the Brotherhood. It's not even a matter of debate on whether or not the Brotherhood is dangerous. If you convince Veronica to leave them, the Brotherhood will wipe out the Followers of the Apocalypse because they are afraid that Veronica will give her knowledge to them.

[@JB-xl2jc]

Yep. Brotherhood is just a bunch of tech raiders who had the good fortune of having a prewar military background and bunker to help them last/organize. That's it. They're still every bit as bad as the Jackals or Khans otherwise, maybe worse because of how dangerous they are with their better arms and armor.

[@akumakorgar]

They've completely lost touch with any of the ideals or ethics that Roger Maxson originally had when he founded the Brotherhood and they've become a bunch of selfish, insular assholes playing at being knights. They have the potential to be exactly what the Wasteland needs but they're actively hostile to that idea. They suck.

[@richardarriaga6271]

​@@JB-xl2jcWorse than the Khans. They still appreciate science and can build a great civilization from it with the Followers help. The Brotherhood hoards knowledge like they are kings of knowledge, blasting a wastelander for their lazer rifle.

[@gahagahabahaga1289]

@@richardarriaga6271khans are cringe and annoying, i just wipe them out, brotherhood are kinda cool to look at

[@toshbalar7386]

You realize that The Brotherhood of Steel had an entire war with the NCR right? They've also destroyed multiple Securitrons, which when you think about it are probably hard to replace, that's how he calculated the location of their base. So it's not technically a pre-emptive strike. The NCR also tasks you with destroying the Brotherhood also. You can make an alliance between the two, but it's like pulling teeth. The point is any sound tactician would take them out of the game.

[@thegreatandpowerfultwily394]

Tosh Balar The securitrons are likely very replaceable. There *is* a giant factory of them under Caesar's base, after all.

[@toshbalar7386]

The Great And Powerful Trixie The facility under the fort is a large, secure storage center. Not a factory. Even if the fact that there are thousands of them might make them seem replaceable, you would need tens thousands of components to maintain a robot army in the desert. That would surely drain House's resources to some extent.

[@eleazarvaulter5083]

@@thegreatandpowerfultwily394 ITS NOT A FACTORY IS A BARRACK, and besides is a battle house can win... is CLEARLY better to skipped all together... YOU would do literally the same Hypocrate

[@Shade04rek]

Arguing against house and his philosophy may be valid in a pre-nuked world, but humanity in the fallout universe is dangerously close to extinction, alternate endings and gameovers in the first fallout games are a testament to that. Every other big-player faction in fallout lore has been regressing or repeating history while learning nothing from what put them there to begin with, while House is a one in a trillion opportunity to retain and continue progress from before when the bombs fell. House is more than just intelligence, he has lost knowledge and experience, he honestly is the best shot at keeping humanity alive and even more. Yes he may be a tyrant and be a shitty person morally, but I don't feel that post apocalypse where people canibalize each other and monsters are above in the food chain, is the time to be worrying about the petty morality of a man who wants to ultimately rebuild society and give everyone high-technology and luxurious life-styles back. Morality at that point is making sure humans don't become wiped out in a few more hundred years, but house would do even better than that. He wouldn't live forever anyhow, so use him as a tool at least to propel humanity close back to a thriving state.

[@toatahu2003]

I might agree if House was assured to die at some point. He's already over 200, and implies that his machines could extend his life 100 years or more. House isn't JUST a business man, he is essentially a dictator. There is no freedom for humanity under him, only HIS vision, no other. If he was a normal human, and would eventually die of old age, then I think that the benefits of what he could do for humanity would be worth it, but if he could potentially live forever? No thanks. Let humanity rebuild itself, even if it takes a thousand years or more.

[@Brandonious15987]

Derek Jones I see a lot of comments talking about repeating history. House falls into that cycle too since he represents capitalism. Capitalism is what caused the resource wars which lead to the world's downfall. You know what else would lead to a crazy shortage of resources? Finding or teraforming new planets to live on. If House planned on fixing the Earth or at least the Mojave I would be on his side but right now his plan is nonsense. He needs to live but he cannot be left in charge.

[@a.h.8269]

I like your statement better. He doesn't seem to have empathy and I'm a very sensitive and emotional person. I didn't choose house because he doesn't care about the well being of the Mojave and it's future.

[@Christopher-eq1rn]

Logical Phallusy he cares about his little shining gem in the Mojave. A house ending is to me a gem in a rotting corpse. To me the courier becomes the only one capable of restoring peace to the wasteland. The wild card ending has the highest number of alliances available by far, the courier can restore electricity to the Mojave using the power station right from under the noses of the ncr, can access the securitrons, boomers, and possibly an alliance with the brotherhood for peacekeeping, and the big Mt can drive technology further than house ever could have if directed by a sane courier. Not to mention trading with Utah is opened and the courier has access to a nuclear silo by the end of lonesome road for insurance against invaders. Yes man can access all of the plans that house had, and at least for me personally I tended to play a very high int and chr character who could drive forward unity for multiple factions. Not to mention that the tunnelers would shit on house if he doesn't prepare for them since he couldn't even keep his own backyard in check. Furthermore just look at the city built around New Vegas. They are slums protected and kept semi orderly by a bunch of Elvis impersonators who Dr house will drive out for making peace with the ncr. Without them, freeside falls apart. House only cares about Vegas and was only stagnating there without the courier. If Benny has his way things would have been even worse, because Caesar gets the chip and the war between ncr and Caesar only drags on with house being useless on his own

[@Christopher-eq1rn]

Logical Phallusy he could hire mercs to defend freeside. He isn't stripped for money. And you missed the point with the kings. It's not an issue of the job they were doing its a matter of they are all freeside have and house targets them if they make peace with the ncr in his ending

[@Inkaststudios]

I just can’t stop watching the perfect editing for houses speech on vegas 6:53

[@ShmootheJoo]

I always sided with Mr. House because the house always wins. 🏠

[@theblackbaron4119]

Unless you poke beef jerky man with anything and he's done for.

[@radiatedraccoon9873]

ShmootheJoo what about the fire

[@lilwisp4974]

Unless your luck is 10

[@eli8444]

Bootlick

[@randoliz]

The House Always Wins High five my dude Bring down those treaty breakers of the NCR. Bring down those tribal raiders that play dress up.

[@catcharide56]

My heart, like the House, has truly gone bust. RIP Rene Auberjonois.

[@seagie382]

replacing mr house with yourself entirely depends on how you run the wasteland

[@unextrano9775]

Yes

[@johnlucas2838]

And it also entirely affects how people and factions view you and put a target on your back as well as people knowing where you go and how long you'll be gone.

[@fungelfin]

Personally I always choose house, and I’ve always assumed that it was the canon ending mainly because it’s the one the game sets up the path for most, and because from what little you hear about Vegas in fallout 4 it’s said that it’s booming like nowhere else which tells me house won.

[@JuliusCheeser223]

Ha Shoddycast your wrong the smartest person in the wasteland is of course the one and only Mr.Fantastic!

[@TheHastySlowpoke]

He does have a theoretical degree in physics

[@jonnysaysN0]

And he's learning more every day...

[@michaelb-cy4ov]

jonnysaysN0 "That big knob there makes a crazy noise. Sparks come out of that slot if you put stuff in it. And I'm learning more every day" - Mr Fantastic

[@Jurassic0Al]

Pyrous 13- I'm gonna be a killjoy here. Fantastic not only isn't, he is a stupid, worthless fraud, one of the most thoroughly unlikable characters I have ever encountered in a video game. If you get HELIOS One powered up again, he lies to the NCR and takes credit for YOUR work, then gets promoted and only Mike Lawson stops him from destroying Hoover Dam with his incompetence. Everything Fantastic touches is a clusterfuck. In both my NCR playthroughs, he caught a bullet in the head while standing cluelessly around as NCR and Legion troops battled over control of the Dam, and I did not miss him.

[@miketurner8624]

Plus, Mr. Fantastic is sooo humble and doesn't brag about himself! A true genius!!! FANTASTIC!

[@NikoNikoWiko]

tbh the mr house speech segment was pretty inspirational

[@CDKing_]

Never was a question of morality for me. I just wanted dat sweet sweet securitron army for myself. And the cannibal perk. And the Bioshock challenge.

[@NYCAustinNYC]

Dat sweet securitron army is yours until Yes Man is done installing the software to make himself more "assertive"... then Yes Man controls that army and New Vegas. :P Basically choosing an independent Vegas is choosing to put the Fallout equivalent of Skynet into power?

[@tricolormoon9959]

NYCAustinNYC nah its confirmed him being more assertive just means that he can't be told what to do by anybody but the player

[@PBK1977]

Don't you mean "even the player"?

[@bignosedasshole6511]

You can get cannibal at level 4

[@CodeAndGin]

nah cuz before the ending, anybody could ask Yes Man to do shit and he would, because he's programmed to be a.... well... a Yes Man. He wants to be "more assertive" so he can't be made to betray the player

[@premixedzulu2097]

I started this game for the first time a couple weeks ago, killed Mr. House about 40 minutes ago. I understand that what I was doing was a mistake, I just didn’t realize how bad of a mistake it was.

[@mitchellalexander9162]

7:40 100 Years... House may never have gotten his wishes (unless you count the endings in which you made his faction win) but the studio that created him sure did create a vision of a "Capitalist Space" (The Outer Worlds by Obsidian)

[@pwopyt3811]

Yeah, but the Board there turns out to not be bad. If you work for it you find out why all of it was made. It's pretty different story: saying of plague when in reality there is no plague. People are simply starving. In board ending, propaganda reduces much and you make law more fair.

[@vagamer522]

yeah hearing that now I wish we seen a refrence in outer worlds

[@Duskets]

I feel as though Mr. House was designed to be a red herring. Consider his character traits: he's a wealthy, elusive, technologically brilliant plutocrat who hides behind a fancy computer and a legion of robots with high powered weaponry. The guy fits the super villain archetype to a T. I think, because of this, a lot of people who are just casually playing through the story might insert their own preconceived notions of him fitting this mold and establishing the idea that he *must* be evil. Hell, the most "evil" thing he does -- attacking the Brotherhood of Steel unprovoked -- could even be justified to an extent. This is a man who has been around since before the war, and has spent quite a lot of time keeping tabs around the wasteland since. Mr. House is by no means stupid, nor is he uninformed. His tendency to remain hidden does, in no way, equate to a lack of understanding or ignorance of what is happening in the world around him. He has eyes everywhere. The Brotherhood of Steel (especially on the West Coast) are, quite simply, zealots. They are technologically advanced nutjobs who operate under the mentality of "GIVE ME THAT, IT'S MINE!" They're Baby Boomers with laser weapons and power armor. They want every drop of technology to themselves, and Mr. House has a *lot* of technology that they would be dying to get their hands on. It's completely reasonable that he would see wiping out the BoS as akin to pulling weeds from a garden. Sure, they're docile... for now... but who is to say they won't set their sights on New Vegas and Mr. House's treasure trove of technological goodies?

[@irllcd13]

The BoS doesn't seize tech out of greed, but out of the belief that other's can't be trusted to use it responsibly. And for the most part... they're right. Even in FO1&2 they weren't "bad guys." If a patrol saw a caravan getting attacked by raiders, they would kill the raiders and move on. In FO2 they even sell select tech to other people. Sure, not energy weapons or power armor, but they really don't want to see the other groups die, and actually do want to see humanity bounce back, but they recognize a major problem that House fails to: War never changes. Let's remember it was NCR that started the war. Even after the BoS kept doing NCR's dirtywork for them, and knowing how protective of power armor they are, NCR still tried to strongarm them. BoS has over a hundred years of proof that they are in the end a force for good within the Wasteland. They aren't perfect and not everything they do is noble or for the benefit of Wastelanders, but everyone would be a lot worse off without them (and by that, we mean dead). They have also had plenty of chances to completely wipe out House and NCR, and chose to let them exist. If they were tyrants, like House is, they would have crushed them both long ago. Only NCR's numbers allows them to push the BoS back, and only House's upgraded Secutrons allows him to go toe to toe with them. In either case, before they had those things, if the BoS wanted to take them out, there's not a damn thing they could have done to stop them. House just up and takes shit too, so any suggestion that he's different and/or better is just gross hypocrisy.

[@Duskets]

"The BoS doesn't seize tech out of greed, but out of the belief that other's can't be trusted to use it responsibly." Keep in mind that Mr. House and the NCR are quite intrinsically linked throughout New Vegas. During the battle for Helios One, the BoS fought tooth and nail to keep the NCR from gaining control of its solar powered infrastructure. And for what reason? The belief that they could not be trusted with it, yes, but it was to power nearly the entirety of their force. The NCR had, subjectively, a much more dire need of Helios Ones' resources than the BoS. I believe, If one cites Mr. House's proclivity towards taking hostile action, one must also see that the Brotherhood of Steel (while mostly good, you are 100% correct about that) have just as much of a tendency to eliminate all who would oppose them ideologically, or threaten their vast number of resources.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

The possible outcomes for the BoS are varied though. You cite the positive ending of the game, but neglect to mention its other endings. If Rhombus dies this is a possible outcome; "The Brotherhood of Steel, under new leadership after the death of Rhombus, becomes an overzealous, techno-religious dictatorship. In 20 years, the Steel Plague devastates the newly formed New California Republic, and starts a Dark Age that could last a thousand years." Their potential to become a dangerous blight on the wasteland is established, though it is canonical that they did not become this under the leadership of Rhombus, it is never the less true that they have the potential to go very bad, very quickly. I believe it is fair to say that Mr House, the ever watchful and calculating man that he is, knows full well that the BoS are all but a leadership change away from becoming a very dangerous force in the wasteland, and that even a small chapter of their number represent a significant threat. The Dead Money and Old World Blues DLC go further to back up House's stance on the BoS, Elijah being just the kind of leader who could have made a docile BoS chapter into a genuine threat. One possible ending to the game, though a premature one, is the end of all factions in the Mojave as Elijah wipes the entirety of the region clean with the red cloud. Does the BoS seem like something that can be ignored with that considered? Sure the CoS is trying to deal with their rogue Elder themselves, and failing, but the fact still stands that the BoS have and could in future produce more leaders with dangerous ambitions. Is it at all wise to let that happen?

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

Also, it wasn't unprovoked. He sent securitrons to them, presumably to strike a deal. They were promptly blasted with laser weapons.

[@adrenochromejunkie]

Anyone defending the Brotherhood is honestly retarded. In 2/3 of the endings where the Brotherhood are left unchecked, all they do is harass and rob caravans and travelers for the remainder of their days. They're thieves and zealots to the last, and no doubt many people have been killed by them after refusing to hand over their technology. Just because they kill raiders doesn't make them good, EVERYONE kills raiders. Difference is, the Brotherhood would go the extra mile to rob the person they just "defended" if they were carrying a laser pistol. Other factions aren't in their interest to protect, the reason they don't attack anyone (usually, anyway) is because they want to stay in their little bunker and inbreed until everyone outside is dead, then they become the sole heirs of humanity.

[@mrclean29]

13:02 despot doesn’t mean tyrant. Autocrat doesn’t mean dictator. Mr.House, to his own words, IS an autocrat, because he governs alone (autocracy is the rule of one). He is not necessarily a dictator because he doesn’t dictate people’s life Despotism simply means a rule of someone (single or group) that is arbitrary. Tyranny is instead a negative acception, meaning that the rule of a certain despot/autocrat is violent and strays from the civil society. An autocrats, despots, or even dictators are not necessarily tyrants.

[@saint4901]

I'm surprised you left out the fact that House literally saved you with Victor

[@destroyerblackdragon]

That wasn't really out of the goodness of his heart though you just happened to be the courier who was carrying the platinum chip.

[@saint4901]

Pelcogo True, but I perfer that over being dead.

[@destroyerblackdragon]

I'm sure the other 5 couriers would have said the same thing.

[@ICHBinCOOLERalsJeman]

All couriers knew what they signed up for and that he didn't save your life out of the goodness of his heart, doesn't change the fact that he still saved you.

[@fl4shblade]

LOL what? They knew what they signed up for? I am pretty certain NO ONE was told what the stakes were or they would have DEMANDED more than 250 caps for the job or had outright refused to do it! As Benny puts it: "The game was rigged from the start."

[@Snauss]

I didn't kill him so that Victor wouldn't butter my biscuit.

[@mildly_miffed_man1414]

pls change ur pfp

[@walkerthehat]

6:52 Beautiful editing. This is such a powerful clip.

[@pedropierre9594]

From my first play through I knew House was best for HUMANITY, both of the Legion and NCR’s ideologies failed to prevent the wasteland, it was time to give the reigns to an autocracy

[@andrewmoluf4299]

oh yeah some mummy in full control....what could possibly go wrong?

[@rhabeebrhabeeb3250]

First time I played, I sided with House. To this day, I consider his the "good" ending as it were.

[@Gun_Metal_Grey]

Good job! You're not like the "majority" here then ;)

[@matrinyer]

The Ending sided with Mr House is like siding with The Institute ending in FO4,If Sole Survivor finally taking control of The Institute he will destroy kidnappings operation,synth and turn something good for a better mankind.

[@keshov7945]

I sides with house too. He wants to re revolutionize the human race. Sure he’s a bit of an asshole. But he cares about the Human Race. Kind like Elon Musk

[@SirBlackReeds]

It's definitely not the best ending.

[@grizlyspectr5695]

@Templar Knight Legate Lanius would be able to lead with an iron fist

[@KrazyRabb1t]

The House always wins

[@nitrocodrilo]

KrazyRabb1t Ah look, it’s a big boy. He has a check mark and all.

[@saint4901]

Da Skull be in awe

[@Lettucem3n]

Welcome to the lucky 38 glad you could make the trip.

[@europeanplaguedoctor491]

holy shit my fav youtuber from one of my fav games commenting on a vid about another one of my fav games

[@alwayscurious3357]

NCR-House relationship is probably the most economic choice for the Mojave... House provides goods and service to the NCR. NCR pays him... But dealing with the brotherhood puts me off when working for house

[@晏榮努]

Remember you could always ad the mod so that BoS is spared. I'm currently doing an NCR run for this very reason. So that BoS is spared. I mean think how powerful and orderly society would be with them working together?

[@venlocity2]

@Amber Hoke fallout 3 (and to a lesser extent 4) try to make the brotherhood look like good guys. Most modern fallout players haven't played 1or2

[@Hunterfalke]

@Amber Hoke Who you can work with and help them change their ways. And with their training, weaponry and knowledge, they are a formidable ally once you get them to open up to humanity. Which i did before i even reached House. And now this arrogant asshole, who has a modicum of understanding of the outside world, whose only goal is to save his strip, a place of utter debauchery and mayhem, asks me to kill them all because they might be a problem in the future? I don't think so. Thing is, House is still an incredibly valuable mind, to be preserved and cherished, but not as the "autocratic" ruler of his awful city. After the legion is done, House would work as a great antithesis to the NCR thesis, to quote Ceasar. They would reach an interesting Synthesis. House is a great mind. But his Ego is too big for him to be allowed to rule indefinitely.

[@PugilistCactus]

@@晏榮努 You don't need a mod to spare the BoS with the NCR.

[@PugilistCactus]

@Amber Hoke Because its a clan type system. Each group has its own traits and is often persuaded to help the hero. They are also more likely to be responsible with tech and hold others accountable. They are a necessary counter balance.

[@Max-ks2to]

Calling Kanye west a great philosopher has not aged well lmao

[@therealrobkoa]

ngl that quote from him did not age well at all

[@Varner410]

No way man. Team house all the way. The house always wins.

[@petrsukenik9266]

why be servant when you could be master ?

[@lilmucinex6449]

+petr súkeník that sounds like a tyrannical warlord

[@petrsukenik9266]

lil mucinex well maybe but what exaktly mr house did for people? he can afford 800 000 caps just for serching platinum chip that much caps coud feed lots of hungry people in mojave but i dont see anithing like "mr house humanitary organization" so yes tyrannical warlord but not not wors than mr house maybe even a nice guy (nice warlord souns strange but why not?)

[@TiredRoman]

caps dont work like that. Money doesnt equal food in the mojave. He needed the chip to increase his securitron force, he needed them so that he could start building up his industry. You need Industry to start making large farms to feed the people so that they can start building otherstuff.

[@petrsukenik9266]

well the ncr traders take caps and ncr is full of food (and not just food he could afford mecenary, tech from othr faction and more)

[@chilarius]

At this point i´m sure that Mr. House ending is the canon. The travel and conquer to the stars was done and now is The Outer Worlds.

[@mr.braindead8151]

Shut

[@bruhd4560]

Stop

[@Starwarsfan1guy]

Oh god no.

[@jpetras16]

Outer Worlds sucked the entire game's philosophy was as simple as "corporations are bad"

[@masonmurphy2679]

Actually when you complete the Lonesome Road DLC the ending slide shows the Courier wearing the "Blackjack" Courier Duster, making me believe that although the Yes-Man ending isn't the "best" ending for the Mojave it is probably the canon one.

[@zumzoom6368]

I've started to forget how great Shoddycast videos are... I hope you will be more active this year.

[@connorbiddle4703]

7:32 thanks for editing a welder into when house says “high technology.” It’s nice to see my career complimented like that.

[@wanderingursa8184]

11:13 Using ones logic (Or the logic of someone like Mr House), it's not unprovoked. He knows that the Brother cannot allow for him to have his technology, the Brotherhood does not allow for others to horde technology, they do not allow for others to wield "dangerous" tech. That is who House is, a man with dangerous tech, and the knowledge to develop dangerous tech. In that sense. It's not unprovoked, it's merely attacking them, before they inevitably attack you. It's like standing next to a person, who hasn't looked at you yet, but who loudly talks about how people who are exactly like you needs to be killed, and if he ever comes face to face with someone like you, he will attack without reservation. What do you do? Do you let him turn around and see you so he can attack you? Or do you defend yourself before he gets a chance to kill you? Or do you wait for him to literally try and kill you? That is not a gamble house would take. There is no reason to take it, when he can eliminate such a huge threat before it becomes life threatening to him. Or to use a more wasteland example. If a group of raiders sets up camp right next to where you live, what are you gonna do? Try and stop them before they start raiding you, or let them raid you and possibly kill your family before you get a chance to defend yourself?

[@93camping]

Let's not forget what the Brotherhood did to The Followers of the Apocolypse in the Quest for that one companion of yours who is a member of the brotherhood.

[@phunkyzilla]

Killing house gives you negative karma and is therefore the evil choice duh

[@donashcroft93]

phunkyzilla well if you kill house you damn humanity to centuries of barbarism while if you work with him you literally save humanity and rebuild a true society

[@fabulousmetrocop6088]

It reminds me of that one line from the IGN review of FNV that said "At first I enjoyed the fact that each faction you can help seemed to have shades of grey instead of a black or white morality scale - the New California Republic is bloated and ineffective at protecting its people, but the tight ship the Legion runs with slave labor is off-putting. Then I realized you gain Karma for murdering Legion members and lose Karma for killing NCR troops, so the lines weren't so blurred after all." I mean, the reviewer is throwing away the game's strongest aspect because of a pop-up you get when you kill someone.

[@zuzoscorner]

The moriality system was complete bull in my opinon. 'oh let me loot from raiders' *wah sound* oh screw you karma meter they shot first

[@QwertyCaesar]

+ Fabulous Metrocop They're not wrong, though. The game is actively judging you for your choices. There are people who see different values in each faction. Hell, myself I'd put House at the bottom of the list, even below the Legion. For a game that wants you to make decisions based on philosophical reasoning its contradictory for it to tell you "no, that choice is wrong."

[@Kryptnyt]

But killing him with a 9-iron unlocks an achievement. Hmm...

[@MadaraUchiha-oz4xx]

“No one man should have that much power.” -Kanye West

[@ge846]

"Where the strong rule unfettered for as long as they stay strong and where the weak are continually trampleed underfoot." Hmm... Sounds familiar

[@KitchenSinkSoup]

House finally gets new people to the moon and what does he find? The Bright Followers.

[@NewMateo]

Roland Deschain not if I have anything to say about it. They never made it on my playthroughs.

[@Chalichoclo11]

After replaying their quest and reading a little about the Fallout Universe, I think the B.Followers are in China

[@KitchenSinkSoup]

zyveco The Moon and China, what's the difference?

[@Chalichoclo11]

China is heavily irradiated and has oxygen.

[@KitchenSinkSoup]

zyveco You mean the moon *doesn't!*

[@LucasDimoveo]

I can't comprehend why anyone would kill Mr. House. What else is there for the future of the wasteland? More tribes? More raiders? More killing for blasted irradiated scraps of land? Screw that. I'm going with the cyborg

[@Oliver-qz4kf]

The NCR. They've already shown that they embrace technology and have an actual functional government. Mr House isn't looking beyond the strip, while the NCR wants to restore the entire American West.

[@thesexiestbiscuit]

Could take over yourself. That can offer a better future for the wasteland.

[@chaosdirge4906]

House may be one of the smartest people on the planet, but he isn't the only one trying to rebuild society. The Followers of the Apocalypse have medical and technological knowledge and in fact if both them and the khans are kicked out of New Vegas they team up and make a grand empire. The Brotherhood of Steel, the faction house wanted killed originally wanted to hold all technology to themselves but slowly over time as their groups lost communication with each other they have done more to give technology to the people Like Elder Lions and his daughter until the Outcasts assassinated her in fallout 4. Mr. House was not the only Hope For humanity, he wanted to use the NCR to build a utopia and with Mr House gone the NCR will still exist, New Vegas will Still Exist, what house wanted to represent will still exist, just without his twisted mind gobing up the works. I'd rather have an independent Vegas that has the possibility of helping people more outside.

[@177SCmaro]

Oliver House isn't looking beyond the strip? He directly states his long term goal is to get humanity off the irradiated wasteland that is all that's left of the Earth and colonize other words. Hard to imagine someone looking any farther afield or any more ambitious then that, given the circumstances!

[@JeanLucCaptain]

DO YOU COMPREHEND COMMIE ANIMAL?! yes mr. house is The Man.

[@DarkKnife1100]

why would you take a super sledge when you could destroy him with a 9-iron? a man chooses, a slave uses whatever shit he has in his inventory

[@superpower3633]

One thing's for sure, when you tell him that you're disabling him, he says he would prefer to die. So I just put him out of his misery.

[@olbohn99]

the first playthrough I sided with the NCR because I assumed they were the 'good guys'. Second time, I sided with Caesar because I wanted to see the other side of the story. Third time? House. After having the time to think about it, he is, no puns intended, the 'best bet' for humanity.

[@firstnamelastname7034]

So, giving an immortal egocentric billionaire who openly says he won't hear out anyone else's opinions on anything, complete unrivaled control of the Mojave and maybe even the world down the line, is the best bet for humanity?... okay then.

[@REMOVEKEBAB13-929]

@@matesajben5274 lol pretty fucking much other then him being somewhat of a dick he's not a bad guy all in all

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

@@firstnamelastname7034 Well you have to consider this: Before the courier even came into play, House for all intents ALREADY HAD total control of society in Vegas. We learn from the backstories of the families that they were just tribes fighting each other. House had the tech and resources but he gave it up back to people rather than saying you can participate in my society, but only if you live exactly how I want. The faults of the families are not the faults of House, but of the family's own misuse of the freedom House generously gives. He doesn't listen to anyone else, primarily because no one has proven themselves to be worth listening to, until the courier comes along (later in the House route). House is the most accomplished person in the game, it makes sense he would not take the advice of people who can't even keep their own assets in line.

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

@@matesajben5274 That was my impression too. The rejection of House is a lot like a Buddhist story about the damned stuck in a hole and a monk lowers as string to let them escape and be saved. The monk warns them that everyone can escape, but the string will break if more than one climb out at once. The damned fight each other to climb the string first and eventually break it. They then curse the monk, rather than their own irrational hate.

[@theiconicprodigy1736]

Máté Sajben another argument is that he is still human he will die eventually this argument can be made for Caesar too without house and his knowledge who will take his place? The courier? Well they will be dead by the time house colony ships get in to orbit house is the temporary best decision not a permanent one

[@enzogangi7711]

I sided with House in NV and I sided with the Institute in FO4. The NCR is no different than the countries of the old world. The Legion is doomed once Ceasar dies. The Brotherhood has no concrete goal in terms of actual societal progress. House and the Institute have both the knowledge and the technology to actually make things better in the long run. I'm happy to be a bit of an asshole if it means people will be able to actually live their lives without raiders.

[@sawyer7623]

enzo gangi Exactly. Most of the wasteland groups have no knowledge on how to actually pick up the pieces of humanity, and put them back together and move on. The institute started with nothing more than a bunch of college students and faculty in a basement, and look at them today. They were able to become the most technologically superior group in Wasteland America, if not beyond. Destroying the institute is dooming man kind to continue living like savages. Along with the NCR, they have goals, and the knowledge of how to move forward, and what it's actually like to live, and not juts survive.

[@samventurer375]

enzo gangi and then instead of people, you mean synths, living without radiers.

[@joeytoofly5139]

SaltyWhipperSnapper The brotherhood hates all mutants, ghouls and syths. They also don't like people using technology. The institute has several fail safes in place for syths. They could reprogram them individually or shut them all down if that fails they're synthetics weak to electirical currents and emps which are littered throughout the institute and the commonwealth

[@MothMan-jl3qh]

I think it's necessary to go into these moral decisions realizing that democracy is not objectively good, and autocracy isn't objectively evil. Mr. House is yet another testament to the great story telling of New Vegas, and I I always have a tough time making the call.

[@hermitage6439]

A bit of necroing here, but as a line of argument, I'd like to recall to Arthur Schopenhauers quote on this; " “talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.” Which very much accurately presents the inherent value of Mr. House, that a genius like him, the repository of knowledge he possesses, is a value higher than thousands. Literally. Especially if we are trying to make the claim of argument when it comes to 'the temporary benefits/risks outweigh the long-term benefits/penalties', it is obvious that Mr. House would be the pragmatic choice in a world where we cannot really claim morality or virtue, when all sides are evil, unscrupulous, or very amoral at best. Everyone serves their own interest, and are as self-interested as an NCR that sends 95% of Hoover Dam's energy and water to their secured, rich, 'already-wealthy-inhabited-by-brahmin-baron home states' if that is not a mouthful enough. To proclaim one side is an arbiter, custodian of peace, or an exalted group of people (relatively) then others, would be a fallacy within the twisted landscape and geopolitics of Fallout, in general. So with that being said, excluding the false ideas of 'Right and Wrong' or 'Virtue and Evil', especially when they are apparently helmeted by the likes of Mr. House, NCR, and God forbid, Caesar's Legion. Mr. House would be the obvious, practical, and pragmatic choice. Unlike the NCR who can barely hold the Mojave, and can't show the reliance needed to be shown in a social contract democracy, where safety, food, shelter, supplies are entailed in the basic privileges of the citizen in exchange for complete obeisance. Or in the Caesar's Legion who display a complete and utter disregard for the long-term, whose in 4/5 of the timelines, Caesar dies and his nomadic scourge crumbles under the buckling weight of the next 'Caesar'. I would rather defer to Joshua Graham himself for this, which there are clips and videos of him explaining these things, and the bull-headed Legate Lanius whose mind for war and callousness would only prove to further regress the regime of Caesar's Legion in the Mojave and New Vegas. Yes Man, unfortunately no matter how invulnerable you may justify the Courier as, will never be like Mr. House, even with Yes Man and the vestiges of Mr. House's legacy. You will not, whether you may or may not rationalise the Courier as this, have the same cunning and diplomatic genius that Mr. House had in bringing the NCR to bargain and parlay despite his own inferior position, or the many other feats superfluous for me to recount. This shows, by parallels and precedent in history, that Mr. House has the actual merits to show he can do what he says he can do, unlike Caesar and his terse and pseudo-philosophical knowledge of misinterpreted concepts in 'Hegelian Dialectics' (which, ironically, he, and his faction, is the pruned antitheses of the synthesis in which his failed legion is left out from in their inherent weakness of leadership and impetus). This, and also the NCR, of whom are already under the buckling weight and pressure of their home states, of, to borrow a point from someone else, the special-interest groups of brahmin barons that hold back the genuine military strength of the NCR from being deployed into the Mojave. Which goes back to my point that the shoddily-armed citizens that the NCR calls 'soldiers' to protect the people and claim imperial hold, is fallacious in the fact their establishment cannot uphold their end of fulfillment in safety, supplies/food, shelter. The citizens have no reason to be under the NCR when their government is a take, take, take and never giving, as the tribals and non-home-state citizens are drained of what they are worth and are barely given a portion of what they were promised in being under government. In this respect, Mr. House does not fail, as bad as an autocracy may sound, Mr. House outlines a Nation-State in which only he rules, and that there is no expectant privilege from the citizens, but rather there is by circumstance. And also that there is a given hierarchy in which Mr. House rules to cement order, and so long as the citizens have their toes on the line and follow his directives, everything in between is their personal liberty and freedom. A historical and real parallel in this world can be found in Singapore. And also, the fact that, when all is said and done, he saved the Courier's life, so from a RP perspective, 8/10 the Courier would choose Mr. House just by the life debt, though to be fair, only if the Courier cares enough and/or connects the dots and isn't influenced by another faction's agenda. And from a meta-gaming perspective, or just an in-lore argument, Mr. House did practically save Vegas and the surrounding region by predicting the nuclear apocalypse about to occur and disarmed some 88 nukes out of the 94(?) that may have landed, I may have gotten some of my numbers wrong, but these are more or less the estimate. On the account that Mr. House could have and would have saved the world, had the platinum chip only reached in time. In the regard of corruption, Mr. House being a man of absolute power does pose a threat, much like Communist Dictatorships or the more gradual and sickening process of corruption within the bureaucracy of the NCR, this is a fatal flaw within every structure of nation. Many arguments could be used against this, but there is one I'd like to magnify. That a an, robot-brain-entity, like Mr. House would be above 'physical' corruptions, wiles, decadence and hedonism, and also that his ambitions comes from a cold, tempered from experience, calculated pragmatism that is derives from his genuine and previously displayed motive to lead humanity, if even its only a small group, to greatness. And ultimately, to survive. After all, if you wish to see that fate of democracies, just look out the window. Might as well give the robots a try at ruling? Probably won't be any better than the humans. So, to conclude, yes. I would very much like Tabitha to rule the Mojave Wasteland as the Dictator of the Confederation of the Black Mountain.

[@wabyjojohnston9606]

But mr houses doesn’t have complete control, his vision includes the NCR.

[@AgentDanielCross]

You left out a part about BOS having destroyed his scouts.

[@omgrussian]

There was a cut-content portion of the Brotherhood quest for House, in that you could resolve the quest peacefully without actually having to kill them all. The stage flag for this quest still exists in game files, I think, but there is no way to normally pass the quest without violence, excluding mods or using the console. This choice was cut, possibly, because it forced you to make a more morally dark decision for House along his quest-line full of semi-peaceful resolutions where you did not have to Vilify/seriously fight anyone other than the Legion. The player would have ultimately ensured House's dominance without having to really get their hands dirty and bloody against any iconic and important group, like the NCR or Brotherhood. The player can already easily maintain very positive relations with the NCR while finishing The House Always Wins and All or Nothing. Destroying the Brotherhood (a popular Fallout faction) means your end-game isn't all cupcakes and rainbows. Instead it fortunately/unfortunately forces House to show his dark side a little, making you doubt whether his plans are the best for you.

[@imcubanb2870]

In a situation like Fallout, I would pick House every time. NCR is becoming more corrupt as time goes by, I would avoid the Legion for obvious reasons, and Independent would collapse within a lifetime. House has his problems, but his intentions are overall good, he offers not only a plan, but the ability to live long enough to see it through, and he doesn't force people to join him, just don't get in the way. Also he has robots to fight instead of forcing people. He offers the most upsides while minimizing downsides. Their is no perfect solution. All you can do is try your best to make the future better for the next generation, and I think he has the best chance of doing it.

[@YoursTruIy_]

"A Man chooses, a Slave obeys."

[@marcoboscarol2420]

Golf club in the skull, dickhead. (the character)

[@leepost3122]

I didn't kill House cause he seemed like he wanted to save the world. I regretted killing the brotherhood of steel, but they were mean to Veronica so they deserved it lol.

[@eyepet2010]

actually the BoS it's fucking shit so dont feel bad for destroy their bunker, the world is better without them as well as without the Enclave

[@leepost3122]

Very true.

[@sebas8225]

Lord Barometer Current age BoS is full of loonies, proving House right in wanting them wiped out the map.

[@DiamondPenguinGG]

BoS is a bunch of Pre world tech hoarders you honestly shouldn't feel bad about blowing up those degenerates into oblivion.

[@Shinobi_Fox]

Not to mention they treat every person outside their group like savages, honestly it's like the kid who got the best toys and doesn't want to share.

[@Ebwite]

11:00 I would honestly say that it's not justified, but it's something that either would do if they were capable of doing it. The BOS and House's vision contradict one another. He'll never make it to interstellar colonization if there's a high tech order of tech hoarders were allowed to continue on.

[@Kacper-Bugajczyk]

Today, the 25th of June, Robert Edwin House was (will be) born.

[@Rekkenze]

6:52 is the sole reason I sided with House.

[@Rekkenze]

GreenTea yeah. And he’s got the mind and time to do it. So why doubt him?

[@Rekkenze]

Ok that... sounded a little to immediate and bias but face it. The mans a genius and considering what he’s done... why doubt it to much. (And if people need to kill him there’s not much stopping them)

[@johnanderson3899]

House is disconnected with his humanity, it's corporate greed taking over which probably lead to the war just like how US interventionist wars are funded by corporate greed. Guy almost gets killed by most of his cronies and it took a mailman to help him out. Didn't even bother to care for water purification technologies or anything humane like that, everything is about money and his dictatorship. Dictatorship is an old human invention. A common cause for failed states. Let us not forget that simply avoiding past mistakes does not mean you won't make new ones. Mr. House is a futurist who has lived long enough to disconnect himself from humans on an emotional level. He will allow any sacrifice, hardship or injustice if the ends justify the means and that is why I hesitate to side with him as a mere human being. I will never see the fruits of my work but will live through the struggle and pain of getting there; to me, siding with Mr. House is sacrificing humanity in the hands of a man with little to no empathy, a dictator, a severe lack of humanity.

[@johnanderson3899]

I just felt so disappointed and saddened with his actions regarding his ending (murdering the kings, forcefully taxing Primm residents as punishment, big-brother surveillance, etc.), I felt like I needed to rant in some way (even if it's just a stupid game). I started the game having high hopes for him as the guy who has the noble intentions and best hope for humanity.. but I guess I was wrong. So here's my issues against him after reflecting on it. He is not a good leader; he lets cannibals, traitors and murders work under him for he last few YEARS. Every family head managed to pull a fast one over on him. The Head of the White Gloves, Mortimer is a cannibal turning the family back to the old ways, Nero and Big Sal run a drug dealing murdering gang which violently f***s-up prostitutes, and was planning on defecting to Caesar's Legion after dirty bombing the Strip, and Benny managed to hack House's network and take the Platinum Chip right from under him. He may be a futurist but, his plans are a joke, he thinks he can create a big futuristic utopia, but most of the Courier's job in the Strip is cleaning up after House's mistakes. He isn't that immortal I tested that one out, he may act like a god, but he's still just as flawed and vulnerable as a any other mortal. He isn't entitled to rule over Vegas just because he saved it 200 years ago, he is corrupt and kills the Kings for being nice to the NCR, he also has the Brotherhood of Steel all slaughtered and murdered because they didn't agree with his goals (I may be able to overlook this one a bit). He's just as corrupt as the NCR and Legion, he only seems cleaner because he is of a smaller scale than them. His dreams of undoing a nuclear war are just that, a dream and a funny one at that. He needs the NCR to clear out all the scary legion slavers and some raiders attacking his city, he neglects his people and lets psychos run rampant across the Mojave, while he hordes his resources for himself. If you pay attention to his actions you'll see he is an arrogant dictator. He takes everything he wants with his robot army and will destroy anything he can that stands in his way. Venders need to pay a large amount of their sales to the robots, Michael Angelo lives in fear of not delivering on House's demands, he destroyed Vault 21 and Arcade hates his guts for kicking out poor people into freeside (because they would not bow down to him after his awakening 200 years later). My biggest problem with Mr. House is that somewhere down the line, he lost his humanity. We don't know much about his pre-war life so you can't pinpoint exactly when, but I'm pretty certain it was a fair amount of time before he got put in a computer. He talks about his prediction of the apocalypse and stated that he couldn't save the world, nor did he care to. Understanding that there's only so much one man can do in those circumstances is one thing, but simply not wanting to do it? Not wanting to save billions of people from losing their lives in the blasts, condemning humanity to centuries living in a post-apocalypse hellhole, and bringing our progress as a race to a complete stop? I can't fathom that. He doesn't give a single f*** about anyone on the planet. They are, at best, a resource to be used. Of all the things he could have used his power to create in the Mojave he picked the Strip. A system with no other purpose than to wring as many caps out of the Mojave as possible as quickly as possible. Did he turn his casinos over to decent people at least... nope, predatory bands of tribals who were easily exploited. Cooperate with the NCR? f*** that, the truce with the NCR benefits no one but House. He gets free power to keep the Strip running and the NCR is neutered within it's borders but he can still suck the caps out of any NCR troops that wander into his honeypot. He is a societal leech while crime families prosper under his employ. He talks big about putting people into space and such and yet people live in squalor right outside the gates of the Strip. I'm just not buying anything he's trying to sell about the good of humanity. For a tenth of what he spent trying to secure the Platinum chip he could have ensured clean drinking water and sustainable agriculture for everyone in the Mojave. Deep down he is just another wealthy elitist dictator with good promises but falls short on actions, he who thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. The problem with his succession plan is the same as it always is with a dictatorship, the odds are very good that you'll wind up with a buffoon or a monster in power very quickly. Taking a look at most monarchies and dictatorships will show you that you're pretty much on a 50/50 split between decent or at least harmless leaders and despots or monsters in human flesh. House's intentions might be noble, might be, but House, the courier, they'll be dead eventually and we're not talking about the next twenty or fifty years we're talking humanity's fate for the next millennium. Kicking that off with a style of governance with such a s*** track record is probably far more dangerous than the NCR's, at times, incompetence and over reach. But House trade much for his longevity. He is too cold, mechanical, tyrannical, oppressive, arrogant, manipulative and has too much trouble having empathy for the poor in Freeside or relating to anyone else painfully suffering in the Mojave to be the "best hope of humanity". He is no longer mobile, tied to his machines, and very likely vulnerable to the pathogens that survived the nuclear fires. He has also been in a quasi state of hibernation, only coming out when his securitrons began detecting the NCR and Legion approaching. While he sees and knows much through his securitrons, he is still just a man and if the courier had not intervened and disrupted the Legion's plot being pushed by the Omertas . Then House's time in charge would have been short. House liked to think that the odds were rigged in his favor, but the truth is that it never was. Eventually I realized something and the reason why I need to side with the NCR. The point being that those who do good for the people tend to stick around, and corruption will eventually (hopefully) out itself (as is the case with parliamentary democracies that are the most succesful, peaceful, happy and wealthy societies). If everyone in the NCR knows corruption and bureaucracy are its major flaws, more likely they will be fixed. To claim that the problems will never, ever be solved is to be incredibly narrow-minded. Institutions like the NCR are self-regulated, unlike the dictatorships of Caesar and House which rely on an iron-clad rule with unchecked powers that are easily corruptible.

[@johnanderson3899]

He didn't murder the King's Watch the ending slides. He stole their territory which they absolutely need to survive in the wastes. It's akin to murder. For what? For profit of course. "House leaves them alone completely" Only if they start mudering NCR men and women as part of an internal conflict. Which clearly shows House's lack of human morality. Everything is either for profit or for power at the sake of human lives. "He only taxes Primm if you let the NCR control it" As punishment for people who are desperate to survive. Because they needed protection. Again, it clearly shows House's lack of human morality. Everything is either for profit or for power at the sake of human lives. "that level of surveillance is much easier to justify" Depends on whose doing the surveillance. The person doing it is no longer a person in the first place. It's a corporate dictator who sees people as chess pieces to be manipulated for personal greed and personal power. "His method of allowing tribals in is far better than the Legion's method of enslavement or the NCR's method of killing them" Not really, NCR thrived in several states for decades with a multitude of scientists, doctors, engineers, universities, etc. If it wasn't for you. They (gangs) would all have his head because he foolishly let them (killers, rapists, cannibals and raiders) have the power in the casinos, they all had plots against him, despite all the sexual abuse and cannibalism that's been going on. Maybe because he doesn't care about something as basic as human empathy, he only cares about one thing. You know exactly what he cares about. "he works on what he's good at" Corporate greed, desire for control, authoritarianism at the expense of human lives? That's an old world invention. Probably the same thing that led to the nuclear wars.