Why America is STILL a total mess 200 YEARS after the bombs - Fallout Lore

A video about humanity's post-war stagnation in the Fallout universe.
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[@ShoddyCast]

Still can't explain why those banners are hanging in a museum 200+ years after the Great War though (1:24). Either raiders have an affinity for American history, or the museum sprang for the premium stock on vistaprint.

[@vox3765]

ShoddyCast Naaaah, they were just hyped for the next Call of Duty game.

[@giantred]

Maybe the theory that The Elder Scrolls Universe takes place after the Fallout Universe has something to do with it? In which case... A wizard did it.

[@vox3765]

giantred God damn wizards... always starting things!

[@jouaienttoi]

Anyone with a basic understanding of Elder Scrolls lore would know they take place in different universes. The cosmology is completely different which is an instant nail to the coffin of that "Theory".

[@vox3765]

Kieran yeah. The worlds in the two Bethesda powerhouses are vastly different. Nirn, firstly, is very small compared to earth, and two, it has TWO MOONS! If our earth were to have two moons, that would have disastrous consequences. Also, the earth is Fallout is just our earth but in a different timeline where we fully harness the awesome power of nuclear energy... much to that worlds dismay.... because, you know, a literal FALLOUT happened.

[@mrmundyyy]

They built a giant statue out of 2 guys shaking hands from scrap, but they can't be bothered to toss broken glass or sharp metal off the roads?

[@british-sama7007]

I live in New Vegas and I can say my home has three skeletons please help

[@SimonPinchbeck]

Medic gg u can’t scrap them

[@mojave5664]

NCR in a nutshell

[@DiegoRYT]

patrolling The Mojave make you wish for some cleaning...

[@gh0rochi363]

Have you seen the roads in fallout? Is it worth getting eaten by mutated animals or Swiss cheesed by gangs and raiders?

[@the0mighty0burrito]

In FO4 humanity sure seems to be thriving. You can’t walk ten goddamn feet without stumbling into a raider.

[@AdrianBludfang]

The Mighty Burrito at least its not like 3. Missile launchers from behind your back. Yao Gua and Deathclaws spawn behind you and instabt kill. XD

[@GoblinDave152]

in FO4 you can't walk 1 foot without Preston telling you that another settlement needs your help

[@tacomas9602]

Stuff152 *cries*

[@xyhez_9999]

its like the first fallout, I cant walk half a foot without getting gang banged by radscorpions

[@BLCKPPRMN]

@@xyhez_9999 Good Ole' 1-2

[@TaraWert1]

What I can't believe is it's been 200 years and you still find just food laying around, enough to actually sustain yourself.

[@coraldiamond1922]

Tara DeWert Then again you could be asking the same reason in regards to ammunition. Though I hope you know the answer to that. As for food well I guess because America is a big country there would have been tons of stuff lying around when the bombs hit. As for how good the stuff is for you then I doubt it. The only thing that can probably last a while would be canned goods.

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

@@coraldiamond1922, it's been confirmed that most of the pre war food items, such as Cram, Salisbury Steak, Blamco Mac n Cheese, etc, are all packed full of preservatives, so really most of them are still good, it's just the radiation that's the problem.

[@yuri7885]

Even if it's good I feel after a while all the food would run out lol.

[@pushthroughthewall3396]

Fallout is known for being extremely satirical, the foods are loaded with preservatives. The cars ran off of nuclear energy. The whole world before the bombs dropped is what people in the early 1900's probably would have envisioned the future to be like.

[@darkcloud93]

that was food make for more than 500 million people, and after the war there were probably less than 100.000 people alive from vaults and dumb luck. is probably that there are less than 50 million people in all USA and anex canada in the FO universe by the time of FO4

[@benmoreno5882]

America: pure wasteland China: dead empire Japan: futuristic empire 50/50 synths and humans with flying cars as well as protected by a giant lizard creature they named godzilla

[@blenshanegro3260]

@Channel07 i feel like Japan probably got bombed by china

[@AgentDanielCross]

@Channel07 I started a campaign in which East Asia in general has been rebuilt but closed off from the rest of the world. Led by a secret cabal of former Enclave members, society and technology progress but with The Institute moving in, the balance of power is being contested

[@OXY187]

@Channel07 NATO doesn't exist in The Fallout universe. If it does, then it means all the NATO countries are existing.

[@Hwje1111]

Europe: Still exactly the same, life goes back to normal

[@poopooo_o5087]

Kaiju*

[@derekburge5294]

Still doesn't explain why the Commonwealth is littered with functional and unpillaged power armor... Often found in easily accessible, well-traveled, and unsecured areas.

[@consume_egg1338]

Well... Not everyone has fusion cores on-hand

[@harleymacgray]

Probs cause they require power armor training

[@fulcrumthebrave5715]

@@harleymacgray not in fallout 4. Unless you think Nora and almost every companion, settler and raider has power armor training.

[@harleymacgray]

jimjam totheflimflam only some raiders know how to use it, and companions are battlehardened, Nate/Nora is a synth that’s programmed with the ability to use it too

[@fulcrumthebrave5715]

@@harleymacgray nah fam, Bethseda retconned the power armor training in F4. There's no way that some rando raider would have it. Or any companion except Danse, even if they are well experience in battle. I'm not even gunna touch on the topic of the SS being a synth. It's possible but I'm pretty sure most people think that he/she is human. It's really not a big deal, imo.

[@LucienHughes]

Let's not forget that agriculture has been set back enormously by the war, and agriculture drives progress. It's hard to grow almost anything in vast expanses of the world.

[@kevinmencer3782]

And what you do grow has to be carefully processed so that it doesn't irradiate the person eating it.

[@lacoulas5556]

Unless you want half irradiated corn!

[@dr.prismatic5118]

I sure as hell do

[@IVAO04ify]

Except in Chernobyl, Hiroshima and Nagasaki life grew back quickly. Fallout lore is fallout's lore. It's nothing like reality.

[@redbridge889]

@Jeremy Harmon they both had help from other developed countries, fallout lore affects and ruins all countries

[@zoro115-s6b]

How the fuck are there even any raiders alive? Raider logic: "Hey look, is that a guy in power armor with a gatling laser?" "Oh yea, I heard about him. They say he's the deadliest person in the wasteland. He's killed hundreds or perhaps thousands of people singlehandedly." "Ok, here's the plan. I'll attack him with this pool cue while you flank around with your switchblade." I mean come on, how does a group of people that think like that stay alive in as unforgiving a world as fallout?

[@Thagomizer]

There should be a mod somewhere that factors whether you are wearing power armor into whether an NPC without it is going to threaten you and act like they stand a chance.

[@zoro115-s6b]

There's a lot of things they could take into account, power armor being an obvious one, but also other equipment, kill counts, notable events involved in, Ect. Overall, there's just no dammed reason these raiders should not be extinct, because they attack EVERYONE, no matter how powerful. BoS paladins? Enclave soliders? NCR ranger vets? Deathclaws? They'll go after all of them, and instantly be killed.

[@plainplane7580]

Fallout appears to have a lot of comic book logic, such as a bunch of brainless goons charging at you with a tire iron while you have a minigun. Also the Fallout series have never had smart AI.

[@Fulgrim308]

They used to to, Terrifying Presence perk, and Karma/Reputation.

[@zoro115-s6b]

They make no distinction. They are just as likely to attack someone WAY stronger than them than someone weaker than them. They're so fucking stupid, they can't tell the difference. Which is why in any fallout game you see them die in droves, both by the players interference and just by being fucking morons, I.E attacking heavily armed caravans with tire irons. With that attitude, there is just no way they would not be extinct.

[@SimeonRadivoev]

The biggest problem is, the absence of plants. After 200 years it would be a total urban jungle. Life after people.

[@Royinszki]

But in "life after people" the world wasnt erased by atomic bombs

[@DoubleBoost23]

Roy Valenzuela Spooky rad plants,then.

[@dragonslair951167]

+Roy Valenzuela Take a look at Chernobyl sometime. The nuclear disaster harmed the flora and fauna in the area, but it didn't wipe them out. There's still plenty of living grass, trees and animals, they just have birth defects from the radiation.

[@jackson7962]

@@dragonslair951167 Yes but also it wasnt hit with a nuclear bomb and the surrounding area was also not hit with bombs. There was no raining radiation on a global scale that we would see in the real word. It would kill most life above ground

[@princesstinklepanties2720]

@@jackson7962 not really. The media overhypes the effects of nuclear war. Take for example that an average nuke has around 80km range give or take. If america launched all its nukes at china with no overlap of blast radious it would only hit some 5% of the country plus the radiation would only be relevent for a decade or 2 before disapating.

[@IWorkInPixels]

The part that always bothered me is: why hasn't everything been picked over long ago? In each Fallout game, I am but one person, and yet I pick over the entire area, grabbing everything worthwhile and selling it for a few extra caps. And I'm not the only person living in the area. How are there *any* places where anything is still in the condition that it was left in after the bombs dropped? How are there still totally unlocked drawers containing anything of value? The place should be at least somewhat cleaned up just by the simple fact that everything should have been picked over hundreds of times by now. Fallout's world is full of scavengers just as much as it's full of raiders, and if you're worried about your next meal then the abandoned shack with a bunch of unguarded Sugar Bombs in it is not going to go unmolested for long.

[@tomkin6539]

because its a game if there would be things laying around it'll just belike the last of us barely anything around and so they add hella shit to places so you could atleast survive because imagine a super mutant or death claw ect just chasing you and you have like barely any food or bullets and you have to do lots and lots of jobs to get caps and the food and bullets would cost more because you cant just find it laying around

[@tomkin6539]

if it wuz realistic it wouldne be much of a game

[@ThisBirdHasFlown]

Sounds like my ex when she slaps me

[@nicholash1691]

Ya gotta think bro some wastelander probably uses one of those shacks as a house even if its picked clean then one day he leaves all of his belongings and food in his house and gets killed by a deathclaw outside

[@tomkin6539]

@@nicholash1691 LMFAOOOO its always a deathclaw

[@MR.LMR1996]

So in short, since humans are no longer at the very top of the food chain, nor as unified as they were in the Pre-War Era, the constant cycle of fighting for scarce resources has lead to the social stagnation we see in the Fallout Universe.

[@Illier1]

It's hard to rebuild when an occasional Supermutant army or Rogue experiment wipes you out. Hell sometimes, like in Far Harbor, nature just drops one giant fuck you event to wipe out progress. Like half the settlements we see are either burnt out husks or under attack, they simply can't rebuild.

[@FeedMeSalt]

AKA the dark ages in our own history.

[@Mjr117]

Why the hell does it say you commented 5 hours ago when this was uploaded maybe a hour ago?

[@dylanragon]

Thanks, saved me from running late to uni

[@Mradel1996]

LMR 1996 yea but it seems that west coast humans are actually coming out on top thanks to the ncr.

[@lilbacon7777]

The guy in the first clip saying “I am become death” is J. Robert Oppenheimer, the leader of the manhattan project.

[@shastealyomeal]

Lol

[@KindredJudgement]

Age Restrictions Damn, That’d be horrible.

[@TheSchnieder6]

@Dr. Dino No, "I am" is correct

[@themadkraken1912]

@@TheSchnieder6 He's trying to be a grammar nazi but like most of them, don't actually grasp actual grammar rules and don't look up quotes.

[@lilqueso8190]

He won a rap battle against Thanos

[@Refloni]

You are talking about the post-war stagnation of East Coast, right? Because West Coast seems to be doing pretty well. Bethesda just seems to want the series to dwell in the apocalypse forever.

[@Thagomizer]

If they wanted to preserve the post-apocalyptic atmosphere, then fine. But in this case, why not set their games, say 20 or 30 years after the war? Or 50? Or 80? Or 100? It's the easiest, most obvious solution.

[@Lunartic_]

Thagomizer If they did. They would not have been able to use most of the things from original games

[@VunderGuy]

@Refloni Which is hilarious coming from Obsidian retards who say that the Bethesda Fallouts aren't true Fallout when, really, from a pure survival type of game stand point, Fallout 3 comes the closest, closer than New Vegas, to being a proper Fallout title.

[@hussyskunk6286]

@@VunderGuy Yeah? No. Fallout new vegas are the closest one, not only its creator were the creator of fallout 1 and 2. But the writings element, are so far the best between 3 and 4. Choices, character, endings, and everything about interaction, are good. 3 of course, still deserved it. Although barely deserved it. Fallout 4 in the other hand, shouldnt use the fallout name. Obsidian entertainment employees were from the previous company that make fallout, and the employee that create new vegas are also the one that make 1 and 2. Bethesda just reviving the fallout series. Obsidian are still the true creator (some of the employee).

[@OpasgegenLinks]

@@VunderGuy I love how you didn’t get the fucking point of your own comment.

[@bryanwilson1806]

I feel like the NCR and the Minutemen could form a powerful alliance

[@Chuked]

And Preston at the very top chain of command

[@TheSchnieder6]

more like the Minutemen would be absorbed into the NCR, or put down like the mongrels they are

[@ilo3456]

The NCR would likely force the Minutemen into an "agreement" of integration if the NCR ever got big enough to reach and be in meaningful contact with the MInutemen, as the expansionist perogative of the NCR keeps going on and on, they can hold on to the territory by force but never pacify their territories which is why they still have massive raider issues, that is why they have to deal with criminals to maintain some semblance of order.

[@deborahmorales5121]

The Minutemen are just enough to be honest. But if only, Minutemen ideals and Enclave technology? That's my best preference.

[@mr.intruder1536]

@@deborahmorales5121 the minutemen already has some institute scientists well it isn't enclave

[@Saviliana]

Real answer: Fallout 76 happens, more then thousands of 12yo brats keep throwing nukes everywhere like it is a pillow fight party, thats why.

[@tyler_9114]

It all ways confused me how fallout 4 is 200yrs later in the future and 76 is 25yrs yet 4 looks more apocalyptic

[@Stormfire1777]

Bethesda in a nutshell

[@Thevoidcallsme]

Likewise Appalachia didnt get hit with a bomb, it was untouched only getting hit with shockwave and rads of a bomb that exploded outside

[@tyler_9114]

@@Thevoidcallsme it would still destroy all life like trees and grass because it's to green

[@Tanner_Campbell]

itz TylerRush Greenery would flourish after something like that. Look at Chernobyl.

[@tyler_9114]

@@Tanner_Campbell what i mean it looks more like area in a zombie apocalypse it's does not look like a nuked zone

[@shipshrekt2156]

Mmm i dont agree. Even when im hungry i can still clean bones out of my house.

[@marcowulliampopirers2216]

you dont understand nothing

[@Walterdecarvalh0100]

@@marcowulliampopirers2216 so he understands everything?

[@autismobinch135]

You have an NPC profile picture and the name Clorox Bleach Your opinions don’t matter

[@thronritter6295]

@@autismobinch135 The only opinions that don't matter are communist ones

[@ripyungbruh8157]

@@thronritter6295 ok liberty prime

[@baifomet6425]

In Fallout 2 society starts to have sings of getting back on track, and in New Vegas, it seems that society is almost complitely rebuilt. Bethesda lost the point of the story and they simply though it was just like Mad Max, making the world in Fallout 3 even more messy than it was in Fallout 1. PS: note that even though Fallout 1 seems to be more habitated and advanced than Fallout 3, it was more depressing and scary.

[@ZachX888]

Scary is right man... that timer is pure nightmare fuel...

[@GeteMachine]

Logically not everywhere in society would be equally advanced regardless. Even if Bethesda messed up the lore (no different than how FO76 doesnt make much sense), the Capital Wasteland can exist if just assumed that they received the most direct damage from the Great War economically. In real life Shanty towns and Slums still exist even after war. The DC wastes could just the slums of America due to political abandonment of the region. That, and the Brotherhood of Steel along with the people in the Vault that dislike anything they deem dirty and mutated, most likely do not give them any resources to expand with. It also would explain why there are barely any areas with large numbers of people outside of small settlements of people. Many who choose to live cooperatively on just the bare minimum of social standards.

[@Bibky]

Baifomet That makes no sense, even if Bethesda had a different take for more heavily bombed areas, clearly there is multiple issues scientifically with radiation in fallout, including how the lack of severely deformed people after generations of having children is never really truly referenced.

[@Furzkampfbomber]

@Ray Behnke But you have to take into consideration that radiation seems to work and that at living beings seem to react _a lot_ different from what we know from our world. First, we don't have drugs like 'RadX' that can protect you from radiation for some time and severely dampen the effects of Beat and Gamma radiation or like 'Rad Away' which can simply and completely neutralize any radioactive substances in your body somehow. One of the few things we can _actually_ do in the real world, apart from simply avoiding any sources of radiation, would be to saturate the body with iodine, because in the case of a reactor failure or a nuke going off, the human thyroid is oversaturated with iodine and thus, will not accumulate huge amounts of radioactive iodine isotopes. Also, when humans are exposed to hard radiation, they will usually die. How and how fast depends on the kind of radiation and the dose, Beta radiation and smaller doses of Gamma radiation will cause a slow death, high doses and Alpha radiation can kill you in days, hours and even in seconds. What radiation in the real world does _not,_ under no circumstances does is turning people into zombie like beings that can survive without any food for centuries and are apparently powered by radiation. "Scientifically" does _not_ apply when talking about radiation in the world of Fallout, does that ever have occured to you?

[@hashly8521]

Lloyd Irving Fallout 1, Fallout 2, and Fallout New Vegas, society seems to be growing back up, even in the deserts with nations. Fallout 3 and 4 happen in literal cities. The world must have been way different there with certain areas belonging to a certain group, because it is a city. Cities generally have much more resources that are radiated than out in the desert.

[@oaksparoakspar3144]

(1) In the first stage of an apocalypse, society scavenges and lives on the remains of the previous civilization. Much of Fallout seems perpetually stuck in this point. Resources that should have been exhausted decades before - particularly food and ammunition - are still abundant. This demands that, via some means of continual production MUST be taking place. (2) We see this production. There are NCR farms around New Vegas, half of the Commonwealth is farming, the cannery is producing "food," the Pitt is making ammo, Gunrunners are making ammo, and with the DLC in F4 you can make both ammo and packaged foods. Because of this, there are areas that are safe from raiders, deathclaws, supermutants, and everything else where humanity is growing and thriving. The games are taking place as the edges of civilizations expansion (the Commonwealth government collapsed, so you are getting there after a setback). Those places, however, are continually pushing people out into the hinderlands - must as expansive history has always done - as people risk dyssentary and injun attacks to settle in new lands. (3) Thus, those "risks" where humans are not on the top of the food chain are limited to places the player goes - not normal people - which is why they are still untouched. Society simply doesn't need the resources that badly to take the risks the player does. (4) Raiders are everywhere specifically because that is where raiders HAVE to be. Society is progressing, the player is just always at the edge. Humanity is safe, except at the edges (and out beyond them). Because the natural risks ARE greater, society's growth is slower and more resource intensive. After all, once you have Vertibirds, Deathclaws are harmless and can be hunted to extinction. Even in New Vegas, they are considered a bother and a work delay, not the end of the world. (5) Consider what DC must look like by the time of F4. Project purity means endless free water. With the Brotherhood in charge, the super mutant vault will go dark. Raiders will be eliminated. The Enclave is destroyed. There is so much peace and prosperity there that they can build a giant airship and look to expansion into Boston. Another Fallout game there would be snoozeville, without Deathclaws and Yogi Bears, with law and order, and (depending on your choices with Bob) growing forests everywhere.

[@tobiasL1991]

I like you arguments, DC sent basicly an entire army, so yeah they can't be doing that badly over there. Nice job!

[@mrfisher1072]

Oakspar Oakspar this comment is sadly under appreciated even though most of it is based off of things you actually see in the game.

[@LalaRojas-jd5rc]

So for your second one but didn't the Gun Runners say they search and scrap all kinds of junk to use guns and make ammo?Also with the ammo they can keep the shells and fill it with something similar if they're willing to keep the shells. The cannery thing I mean there's gonna be alot of empty cans from factories and people who ate it and we're too lazy to throw them out and I'm pretty sure those cannery factories can place lids over cans and slap a new label thus another food business(if they wash the cans)so it's somewhat easy producing food. I'm not saying you're wrong on everything I'm just pointing that one out. But I do see your point and yeah it's kinda weird that all this stuff isn't gone especially since there's constant gun fights and constant hunger.

[@verumamo2668]

I agree with everything but the idea that a game in FO4 DC would be boring. If anything, it would have to be a more dialogue and story driven game, rather than the FPS power fantasy that FO4 was.

[@BlueBD]

Boring in the sense of the Maxons BoS would have such an Iron Grip that You wouldn't have much to do. Most if not all ghouls, Super mutants and raiders are exterminated. You wont have anything to fight aside from dogs and mole rats. Most of your Questing would have you playing courier and Merchant and the occasional bounty hunt against Small raider gangs as the BOS would have scavenged Most of the Good stuff from All the various buildings. There isnt much to do there just like how NV is on the Frontlines between NCR and Legion. Thus the land is largely ungoverned and Wild, Super mutants have several strongholds, Raiders flourish, and Dangerous animals are still abundant. DC would Not. The Commonwealth Was On the verge of Unification(thus creating a Large Central Faction to reign in the Wasteland) before the institute fucked it all up. And on top of that the Minutemen(who Also controlled a large Hub) Collapsed due to several unfortunate events. So the BCW was left a Mess with 3 major hubs and a few very small Hubs and virtually Nothing to stop the raiders and mutants form thriving. Which in turns Give up a reason to play. Fallout is about a grand quest to Solve an issue and plant the seeds for growth. Fallout 1 and 2 had direct actions to led to growth which lead to the NCR being a large faction in NV. Fallout 3 Had direct actions that lead to the rise of the East Coast brotherhood and From their appearance Major Growth on the East coast. Your actions in Fallout 4 May lead to Further Growth for the BCW. For whatever faction is deemed the cannon winner. (Which to me, I suspect it will be the minutemen and/or Brotherhood) I suspect Nukaworld to Be conquered and Turn into a MASSIVE trade hub and city for the east coast.

[@LoranCehack]

I don't know, Bethesda's treatment of the wasteland really annoys me. Yes, mankind has a lot to compete with come 2277, but not EVERYTHING in a given region is going to stay a bombed-out shithole. Look at Shady Sands, they were a fully-built town only decades after the bombs fell. Plus, where are all the trees? 200 years is plenty of time for actual plant life to recover, even without a GECK. I dunno, after finally playing 1 and 2, 3 and 4 just seem even more poorly conceived than I originally thought.

[@Zack-et9wj]

The west is more develop than the east.

[@42Wesker]

Two people cried, most were silent. Sounds like my parents describing the Cold War times to me. After the Soviets tested their bomb. In my dad's home town they were angry. Men who were of age joined the military. In my mother's, the same, except for the older men warning of another war, as WWII had ended recently.

[@adamyoung6797]

thanks for your experiences. these are definitely important memories to pass on to youths

[@Chuked]

Humans never learn from their mistakes and never will, even after 2 world wars at the end of the mid 20th century humans were still planning to destroy each other in more violent, rapid, destructive ways, War, War Never Changes

[@chrissnowdon8019]

As much as I love the video, I gotta go with everyone else who says Bethesda are just bad at writing. Fallout 1 takes place 84 years after the bombs dropped and already civilization is crawling back from the abyss. Fallout 2 takes place 80 years after that and we already see real nations rising from the ruins. By the time of New Vegas, people in the NCR are living much as we do today. The Mojave isn't as built up because it's beyond NCR borders, and it's a freakin desert, but even Vegas is rebuilding and thriving. Bethesda doesn't seem to understand how time works and that's the only reason people in the Capitol Wasteland and the Commonwealth are still living in squalor like the bombs dropped yesterday. Remember, 200 years ago it was 1817 and look how much as changed.

[@Ed-ealmighty]

I keep waiting for bethesda to make a deus ex fallout like game

[@danielpender599]

The difference is the world wasn't burnt to the ground in a nuclear war in 1817...

[@chrissnowdon8019]

Look, the Chernobyl incident occurred in 1986, about 31-32 years ago. The radiation zone, the area that was abandoned, looks as bad if not worse than Boston does in Fallout 4, supposedly 200 years after a nuclear war. That's just the effects of 30 years on an uninhabited city. So on one hand, Bethesda doesn't understand the ravages of time. On the other hand, about 100k Americans survived in vaults. Not all vaults were terrible experiments where everyone died, even if we assume half of them were, that's still 50k Americans with intact pre-war science, technology, medicine, culture et all. That's a society already far more advanced than America was in 1817. Throw into that mix the Brotherhood of Steel, the Enclave, and multiple small groups of survivors with access to some form of pre-war science and tech. Give any of those groups 200 years and they won't be huddled together in a single baseball stadium like the bombs dropped last week.

[@TheWingedcargo]

You're forgetting that MILLIONS of people died during the great war, a ballpark estimate would be 98%+ of the american population dying. Now loads of people were held in vaults, most of which did some freaky ass experiments on the inhabitants, we can assume that the areas around these vaults that didnt have experiments done one them would be alright, look at F1 and F2 with new reno and then the NCR. Now look at F3 and F4, the only vaults there were okay there were vault 101 and 81. The other vaults were literally horror stories. Now vault 101 wasnt supposed to be opened (we know now that it was at least 3 times) and vault 81 only does some small trading with the outside world. Who are the people that are gunna rebuild the world then? The fucked up survivors who weren't in vaults? I work in the building trade where we can have 1000 bricks delivered by tomorrow if need be, where do you get the materials from to build anything without any infrastructure to transport it let alone mine and gather the resources. You can bet your ass that a stadium that you could easily block up the entrance would become a small city.

[@chrissnowdon8019]

No, I'm very much aware of the reduction in population. I'm also not saying you couldn't turn a stadium into a small city. I'm saying it wouldn't stay that small and isolated for 200 years. You're ignoring how infrastructure is developed over time. Think, what was infrastructure like in the United states 200 years ago? Overland transportation on the East Coast at the time was limited to the equivalent of brahmin caravans. The Erie Canal hadn't even been dug yet. What kind of infrastructure did the west coast have 200 years ago? NONE. The United States had not yet expanded past Indiana and Tennessee. We see the survivors in the Capital Wasteland and Commonwealth showing little to no advancements in population, infrastructure, organization for over 200 years despite being surrounded by resources and technology. You're also ignoring the other half of the argument, that the ruins shouldn't have been in as relatively pristine shape as they're depicted in FO3 and FO4 if people weren't maintaining them. Cloth left to the elements isn't going to be around 200 years later. Skyscrapers with functional elevators? Power cores constantly running for 200+ years keeping machinery active? (And no, the generators don't charge the fusion cores, the fusion cores power the generators, but given how absurdly long they lasted I can see where this confusion comes from.)

[@YoursTruIy_]

Honestly, well hypothetically, if the enclave hadn't been destroyed, I think that the American southwest, including most of the NCR territory, would have been remade and reborn. Much like vault city in the O G fallout, I think that the enclave would establish creating the western part of America back to its "former glory" but at what costs.

[@YoursTruIy_]

So, we all know what the Enclave was trying to do right? If not, I highly suggest you to go watch one of the ShoddyCasts "StoryTeller" videos on the enclave. Okay, so, I don't want to explain all about the enclave so these are my thoughts on what they would do. I think that the Enclave would follow what they set out to do and probably destroy the remnants of China if there still were any. So that would be hypothetically speaking of course, but I don't think they would try to isolate themselves to try to just pick America up again. I think the one MAJOR way America would rise again is the way non of us would agree with. So that's why I think America in the fallout universe is still shite, but there maybe ANOTHER group setting their hopes to "make America great again" (sorry). "But that, is a story for another day...."

[@coolchrisable]

at the cost of thosand if not millions of lives but thats jsut my thought but hey i would probley do the same XD

[@Scattman101]

The Enclave wanted to wipe out EVERY mutated survivor in the Wasteland. The way they saw it was; if you weren't born in a vault or one of them already, then you were a mutant abomination that needed to be purged from post-war America. The Enclave didn't want to rebuild America the way it was, they wanted to wipe it clean and make a new America following their greedy, corporate agenda. Hence why they control all the vaults and monitor the social experiments to see how best they can control people.

[@Thagomizer]

We didn't go to Vault City until Fallout 2. And as to the "cost" of the Enclave re-establishing their dominance in the post-nuclear world? The complete and entire deaths of every person on Earth who wasn't them. And perhaps any people still living in the control vaults.

[@Samm815]

The Enclave could have saved the wasteland if they weren't so short-sighted and narrow-minded.

[@Finnv893]

The easiest, most lore friendly explanation would be that Bethesda wants to keep the sequel gate open.

[@theastrogamer710]

But what about the NCR? I mean back in West California they have running water, power, pre-war era looking cities like Vault City they even have a mechanized division and a decent air force.

[@Stoyan_72]

NCR is doomed to fail, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[@3lackCrow]

KiRo88TheMLGNoob If no one will make step forward then there is no posible to progress or achieve something. People learn at mistakes.Maybe.

[@Krescentwolf]

Legion territories are safe only so long as a single strong ruler can keep everyone in line. And New Vegas shows us EXACTLY what happens when that strong leader finally falls... The same thing that happened to every similarly strong-armed warlord in history... the 'country' falls apart.

[@tajbaber9425]

That depends on your definition of safety. It isn't very safe for the tribes and settlements that get swallowed up by the legion. Death, slavery, and forced assimilation does sound safe to me.

[@shdowhunt60]

The existence of the NCR alone is enough to rebuke any claim of social stangation in the Fallout universe. It is an actual growing and developing empire. And Caesar's Legion than an amalgamation of tribes being strung together by a single dictator. It's not sustainable, not at the rate where they destroy literally any progress being made in the Mid-West.

[@mikeculbertson]

Q: why is civilization still non-existent 200 years after a nuclear war? A: bad writing The first fallout game too place 90 years after the way and civilization, to varying degrees, had already been established in a lot of areas. There was new construction. Bethesda has been lazy with the wiring, as any fan of the original two games can tell you.

[@chaywen9240]

Civilization in the West seems to be doing alright and as you said, they've been doing fine for 100 years. They have a huge democratic government spanning almost the entire West Coast and pushing Eastwards. oh and there is also a tribal empire in the Midwest fighting a huge war with that democratic civilization. Hmmm, almost like an entire other group of people who are good at making believable stories and worlds came up with the civilizations of West Coast.....

[@Post_the_most]

Mike Culbertson and Blackisle was too fast

[@paradisecityX0]

Let's see you write something better

[@paradisecityX0]

Spooky Guy How am l "retarded"?

[@paradisecityX0]

Spooky Guy Yeah.....

[@demongrenade2748]

I actually had a discussion with a friend today about a similar topic, that topic being Raiders. In all honesty, it doesn't make much sense for raiders to be as prevalent as they are in the fallout universe and in such small bands after 200 years. After 200 years, thats several generations of people that have gone by and naturally each generation is gonna try to improve their situation as much as they can before the next generation takes over. Raiders on the other hand, seem incredibly stagnant. By their very nature their bands are not a long term solution for survival and they don't reproduce in a sustainable manner. In the fallout universe, all raiders are drug addicts, rapists, and killers of a similar vein. Any offspring they have wouldn't have a good chance of survival. They scavenge what they can, and steal the rest. Even if they are successful at this, after 200 years only the most secure of settlements are still around, meaning the raiders wouldn't be able to sustain themselves without forming a society of some sort. Naturally, it would make sense that after the first 2 or 3 generations of raiders that they'd mostly be dead or integrate into a society. Or think of it this way: In a world such as fallout, where medical care is very rare to those outside of a society, how long do you think a raider group could reasonably last? Where any serious injury (be that a slash or gunshot) is almost certain to get infected and cause disease without proper MODERN medical treatment. If a raider is very successful and is able to raid for most of his live, what does he do when he gets old? When he is no longer able to raid with efficiency? Say the other raiders tend to him out of respect. Alright, so they are a man shorter for raids but still have a mouth to feed. What about those that get injured, survive, but are unable to raid further? Again, down more men but they still have mouths to feed. Let's change the scenario. Instead of tending to the survivors, they just kill those who are useless. Alright, they are down manpower, but also down on the mouths to feed. However, they are far more vulnerable in just general life survival without that additional manpower. No matter how you cut it, the raiders in the fallout universe make no sense. They live a self defeating way of life that ensures their own extinction in the short term and long term. Raider groups as they are portrayed in fallout would be extremely rare in the wasteland after 200 years. It makes sense that a group like The Legion would emerge from this environment, but not 200 years after the war (It would likely happen far earlier than that). And that still indicates that raiders would be very rare as they are constantly pressured and pushed to form a sustainable society by their own survival needs.

[@Ashpkfmdmdmdmd]

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[@SwedishEmpire1700]

Yea, but raider bands are like...5-6 guys tops, not kingdoms.

[@demongrenade2748]

Luzur but there are dozens upon dozens of those...

[@SwedishEmpire1700]

Well, i dunno, it cant even count as a household when they live in garbage-dumps with corpses everywhere.

[@updated5709]

You assume that raiders would care for the old or for the weak. Why would they? Also it's more likely that people are joining the raider groups as opposed to being born into them.

[@clevermcgenericname891]

Actually considering the world burned in nuclear fire, its doing pretty well.

[@unoriginalhazard]

Clever McGenericName not really considering most trees would've grew back way before the 100 year mark

[@clevermcgenericname891]

Tripper flipper you get more trees when Lord Caesar says you need more trees, profligate!

[@manuelkfc7916]

Tripper flipper but now we have The God Tree Harold, and he has a full funtional forest xD

[@Alex_FRD]

Because Bethesda needs this franchise to go on forever so science is thrown out the window.

[@courier665]

Beat me to it.

[@JShepLord]

When has Fallout ever followed real science? Have you seen a deathclaw?

[@Scattman101]

I'd love to see a point where the Brotherhood of Steel and the NCR build up their respective coasts (creating power everywhere, manufacturing equipment/vehicles for armies) and ultimately go to war with eachother. They end up using Nukes AGAIN and destroying America even further .

[@sebas8225]

John Shepard Still easier to believe than the Mutant gene in X men giving super powers.

[@Dallows65]

But.... The Brotherhood started on the West Coast.

[@giorgiannicartamancini3917]

I don't know, humans have been vulnerable to pretty much everything for most of history, yet we managed to build lots of nice things and even keep our houses clean

[@invaderjoshua6280]

Because Bethesda dosnt understand the relatively short shelf life of a nuclear bombs radiation. The glowing sea is the only area in fallout 4 that makes sense since it was caused by a nuclear meltdown after the bomb dropped. And a meltdowns radiation lasts a longtime compared to a bombs.

[@xxfalconarasxx5659]

You seriously think Medieval people were a bunch of barbarians that just shat on the floor? Medieval people understood sanitation very well. They did not throw their waste on the streets like you claim. The constable would have you arrested, and publicly shamed for doing that. C'mon Shoddy! Most peasants had outhouses, while richer nobles had toilets and cesspools. These would be emptied regularly by Gongfermours (English) or Maistre Fifis (French), whose job was to collect human waste, and dispose of it. Food waste was either given to animals or reserved for charity, excrement waste was reused as fertilizer or buried outside the walls, and garbage was usually recycled. People made their best efforts not to throw out useful items like glass bottles, metal tools, cloth/leather textiles, and ceramic dishes. These items were not as cheap and expendable as they are today. Just use common sense here. Who would want to live like a dirty bum? I mean throwing shit in the streets? Even if you didn't have a toilet, you would still make your best effort to dispose of your waste. Sanitation was taken seriously, and filth was always looked down upon.

[@Fwuffy_Cuddles]

Actually Medieval times people shat in wooden buckets then dumped into the streets almost hitting others with skat

[@Fwuffy_Cuddles]

They also used wooden planks over it

[@maxford4860]

@Angel Ruelas Yeah, In crowded fucking london maybe. No-where else did that.

[@MyRedHulk]

Sources?

[@Keleigh3000]

Who's that then? Must be a king. 'Ow do you know? 'Asn't got shit all over 'im.

[@tricky_flix]

Yeah but Raiders would most definitely attempt to raid both of those houses

[@ALegitimateYoutuber]

What i don't get is what about the countries that didn't get bombed. Because lets face it, not every country would face nuclear fire. After all it makes no sense to say nuke a country that isn't connected to the conflict in any way, and there would be such countries. So this raises the question of 'what's going on in the unbombed countries?"

[@ianlilley7553]

John J like what fallout New Zealand?

[@BlueBD]

John J Possibly still alive but stranded. A lot of those countries would have lost important resource and scavenging across countries is NOT easy. No or limited vehicle use most of all travel is on foot. While much better off this would make them a target for the survivors. Constantly under siege from all side by ghoulified and deranged maniacs many would have fell. Most will be walled of bastions filled with extreme isolationism

[@Mister-Thirteen]

Its in the name "Fallout" Even relatively untouched areas in the wasteland were eventually bombarded with radiation and FEV exposure, not helped by the fact that the seas themselves appear permanently irradiated somehow. And unlike in the real world the highly radioactive areas seem to be self perpetuating like the glowing sea in fallout 4 or the aforementioned oceans.

[@KingDilly]

John J A lot of events took place before the bombs fell that led to the (supposed) destruction of many smaller countries. I recommend reading this wiki page on the Fallout Universe’s world between WW2 and the Great War: fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_world

[@peppermintthegoodgoblin3795]

Africa is now a world power

[@jamesgeorge7579]

It should also be noted that in the Commonwealth, the Institute purposefully stopped any attempts at advancement and order and in the wasteland. Which makes no god damn sense, but that's besides the point. The NCR and Caesar's Legion are both pretty civilized, albeit in very different ways.

[@AstroNerdBoy]

Your video is a good try, but lets face it -- after 200 years, the world we see in the Fallout games would not exist as presented. For a start, all of those wooden homes would be gone. Other buildings with wood in them would see the wood gone, presuming the building is open to the world. The world wouldn't be some barren wasteland. It might be an overgrown wilderness, but it wouldn't be some place were there are no trees, grass, etc. We've seen that in the real world. Finally, in a world where the advanced technology of the past is still working fine after 200 years, and new things can be constructed, then it stands to reason that there should be places with a more "modern" (within game universe) feel.

[@YoungTroy23]

I think its due to in part the laziness of Bethesda. Obsidian's Fallout saw entire civilized areas. Sure the NCR has raiders but modern America has gangbangers, mafias, etc so the difference is really nominal and can be chalked up to inevitable criminal element. However Bethesda's Fallout on the East Coast is a shit hole thus easier to make a game when literally everything is trying to kill you. Fallout 4(and 3 to an extent) consisted of mostly go here and shoot everything. Retrieve the the objective/rescue prisoner than leave. Very simple to write for and you notice how the game has very little replay value because at the end of the day your choices don't matter. Meanwhile 1, 2, and New Vegas had nuanced story structure with multiple branching paths and methods to completion. I believe you can even beat the game only killing under 20 people. That makes the game far more difficult to write. So instead they created 2 shooting galleries. Just my own personal opinion.

[@Thagomizer]

Just that your own personal opinion happens to be fact.

[@plainplane7580]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand New Vegas. The lore is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of it, most of the story will go over a typical player’s head. There’s also the realistic outlook on society, which is deftly woven into the lore. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of the lore, to realize that its not just intelligent- It says something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike NV truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the well-structured writing that makes the player thing about their choices. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those Bethesidiots scratching their heads in confusion as Obsidian's genius wit unfolds itself on their monitors What fools.. how I pity them.

[@Lunartic_]

Primitive_Sponge Are you going to copypaste this retarded comment to every comment who you don't agree with?

[@hedgehog3180]

Primitive_Sponge I like how you're trying to mock FNV but can't even figure out some of the basic philosophical ideas presented in that game. I mean Caesar literally explains Hegelian Dialectics to you but I guess that went over your head.

[@hedgehog3180]

Also FNV doesn't even ignore the crime. The Powder Gangers aren't just people who are greedy, they have legitimate grievances with the NCR. The game also addresses the cause of the crime. Freeside is plagued by crime because it serves as the main entrance to the Strip and as such is an obvious target for people trying to get some quick money, Westside on the other hand seems to have no crime and is pretty self-reliant. Like FNV doesn't just write crime off as something that will inevitably happen and leave it at that, it gives the criminals motivations other than just greed.

[@sharlesdaviskendy2391]

Real answer: Bethesda sucks at writing. See NCR in Fallout 2 already has electricity and asphalt.

[@paradisecityX0]

Sharles Davis Kendy Let's see you write something better

[@paradisecityX0]

髪 Weeb1.0 Lol what was bad about it? Or are you just one if those temperamental Fallout 1, 2, and NV elitists?

[@paradisecityX0]

髪 Weeb1.0 Calm down kiddo. Actually the story was pretty engaging (playing as a woman anyway, nothing more powerful than a mother's love for her baby). I know it's your personal opinion but how is it "fucking garbage"? As you can see, civilization was a whole lot better...when you reach the Institute. As for above ground, well you could always just pretend it's more recent

[@paradisecityX0]

髪 Weeb1.0 Not to mention technology is pretty advanced, we can only dream of exploring past memories in a VR simulator and whatnot

[@paradisecityX0]

髪 Weeb1.0 I don't really care about the RPG stuff. I just wanna experience what life would be like after the world ended (when society is stuck in the 50s no less) lol. Leave the RPG in high fantasy territory like the epic Elder Scrolls

[@pistachiodisguisey911]

It just bothers me that fallout 3 & 4 are shit holes but even 1, 80 years after the war is infinitely more civilized and fallout 2 is great with laws and everything, but 210 years after the war we don’t even have clean water in fallout 4 (even though the heavy handed fallout 3 ending was about clean water and rebuilding the wasteland)

[@SirVelstadt]

"I have become death, destroyer of scrubs"

[@JohnBrown-ox7sy]

The only thing in the fallout universe that was done to help the wasteland and progress was project purity

[@DylanJo123]

Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi Alot of, relatively, complex societies such as the NCR have popped up in the wasteland. Those are pretty important.

[@JohnBrown-ox7sy]

Jenkins yes those societies were a step in the right direction but that’s minimal progress when the people of the wasteland come together to try to rebuild that’s a lot of progress instead of societies trying to kill each other and doing everything for themselves because it’s their only choice that’s their only choice because creatures like mirelurks, super mutants, death claws, etc and groups like gunners and raiders are stopping people from coming together

[@AllenGray47]

Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi and that is where exceptional individuals have come to assist in the fight against these groups, making alliances and exterminating foes. It's how shady sands came to be the NCR and you can unite the settlements of the Commonwealth under the Minute Men. The ending of 3 got the Enclave out of DC and provided a reliable source of clean water, that will go a long way toward rebuilding.

[@fort809]

Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi are you forgetting that the NCR’s existence is literally people of that wasteland coming together to try and rebuild. The NCR is essentially a modern democracy complete with corporations, bureaucracy and massive amounts of bribing.

[@KingOfMadCows]

Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi Except water merchants started out in the west coast just 20 years after the war. They helped establish communities in the wasteland. They fought off mutants and raiders. They build a center for commerce and trade in the Hub. They're the reason why bottle caps were used as currency, because they backed caps with water. Eventually, they created money to replace caps.

[@svon1]

nah the collapse of western rome didnt see a somewhat strong successor state until Charlemagne showed up so ~476 to ~800 AD roughly 350 years , and even than the replacement for romans with clean drinking water and schools for the lower class citizens was the middle ages and as Kaiser put it "the bombs set our cultural progress back to zero" when normal empires and kingdoms collapse there are usually neighboring civilizations taking over , however if you only have one state and that collapses entirely , than their is no rescue

[@ramel684]

There is also a noticeable difference in the levels of rebuilding on the East and West coasts (or more accurately the Bethesda and Black Isle/Obsidian coasts). Nearly all of the large and stable factions are found on the west coast, the NCR is a democratic nation covering most of California and parts of Nevada. That's a fair match for many countries in the world today. The legion might not be as friendly, but it also controls a huge area, and both governments enforce some form of law over their territories. It's just Bethesda land that has utterly failed to rebuild anything.

[@konac7191]

Fallout 3 : Didn't have the Vault Dweller or Chosen one to fight off the super mutants and enclave. The only large faction is the BoH who were torn apart in a civil war and are fighting a losing battle against an enemy whose numbers and base of operations are unknown Fallout 4 : the Institute wiped the leaders of every major settlement out and continues to leave the area in fear and replace their new leaders with synths. East Coast has it harder

[@ramel684]

The east coast has it different because it has different writers.

[@konac7191]

We could take the cop-out route, but I'm not a quitter and you shouldn't be either

[@Xfighter000]

Nah, I have to agree with Bobo, the west coast is living on recruit difficulty in comparison to the East and Midwest. after the destruction of the enclave main California base, ncr and legion had lots of time to establish themselves. Meanwhile the capital wasteland was in high heat with the brotherhood of steel waging war against the super mutant horde and the eastern enclave, also as Bobo stated, the institute killed off the leaders of many large commonwealth settlements. In short, it seems the west got the least amount of problems.

[@Archris17]

Cyka Blyat yeah, spoken as someone who has never played Fallout 1 and 2. The West Coast came within a hair of utterly being destroyed first by The Master and then by The Enclave. Naturally, the plots of all the games, Bethesda, Black Isle and Obsidian alike, involve a crisis event that the player then responds to, but those events and the player cancel one another out. Those problems removed, the East and West coasts were fairly on par in terms of the threats facing them. In just 70-100 years, the West Coast saw the birth of the NCR and towns like New Reno which were seriously on their way to being, if not pre-war in terms of quality-of-life, then at least about as good as it got. Meanwhile, a good century later and Fallout 3 and 4 still look like Fallout 1, which took place a mere 70 years after the war and maybe 20-50 after the fallout was reduced to safe-ish levels. Bethesda took the window dressing of a 'post-apocalyptic setting' and then applied it with a tar brush, without stopping for an instant to consider how things might have changed, given the timeframe they decided upon for their games. I mean quite apart from anything else, I really have to ask why everything in Boston is still brown and dead? I had to install a mod to give the world a LITTLE bit of green because the thought that NOTHING was alive and growing after two hundred damn years was just too immersion-breaking! Vegas is a desert, sure and DC probably was a major priority target, but Boston is in the PERFECT climate for new growth!

[@jennys4018]

It is crazy to see how Humans can't even build a simple home. It doesn't need to be perfect, but wtf, when I look at the buildings in Fallout, they all have holes, even my tree house I build in germany at the age of 12 was by far better. My father who worked in an office, build our house out of stone with other family members, no building company was involved. I get that wood is pretty scarce since nearly all of them are dead, but there is enough material and tons of stone available. Building a good wall is pretty easy too, especially if you have a good amount of people, like the celts that lived in my city, they build a massive wall, that not even romans could overcome, just out of dirt, stone and wood. It didn't look fancy, but it did his job very well.

[@WardyLion]

Jenny S I agree! Granted your average wasteland ever is unlikely to possess a qualification in engineering but is it that hard to line up planks so that there’s no gaps in your walls?

[@DreamlandRoses]

It's because we all rely on other people to do it for us. We use money to pay people who know how to build homes.

[@Zack-et9wj]

I want to see what happend to shady sand in 2287.their buiding in fallout 1 look pretty good through.

[@valance10]

@@Zack-et9wjIn the artwork for the OWB hearts of iron mod they have large walls and laser gates

[@Jim_Schorts]

I feel like in 300 years life would go almost back to normal

[@JETWTF]

Raider gangs wouldn't survive for 200 years and still be raiders, everytime they raid they lose numbers and they are not breeding to add more raiders. Even if they were breeding they would be bleeding numbers too fast to be a sustainable group. Rival raiders if winning a fight would kill everyone that doesn't join them including the children so everytime they fight each other there numbers would drop dramatically. Then there's the other side of the coin, survivors who do not join a raider gang would band together forming communities because humans are social by nature, since there are raiders they would build defenses. Everytime raiders would attack a community they would bleed numbers. Within 20 years raiders would no longer be a threat because they wouldn't have the numbers. The peaceful communities would be the ones to survive for 200 years, not raiders and not only would they survive but they could thrive. The survivors wouldn't instantly forget everything they knew, there would be skilled workers able to build new things. The majority of survivors wouldn't be from cities but from rural areas, people who do physical work for a living. Farmers, plumbers, electricians, carpenters, mechanics just to name a few of the important skills that rural areas have more of. Post war wouldn't be blasted to the stone age but the 18th century with 21rst century knowledge and skills. Those skills and knowledge would be put to use once the initial chaos ended and handed down to further generations. Humans are social and by nature build communities, you would have many small towns built in the first years with a social hierarchy, these communities would begin trading with neighbors and trade hubs would begin to form. those trade hubs would become seats of local power and eventually become cities and the biggest most powerful would be seats of regional power. In 200 years that's about where humanity would be growing out of local governance into regional with people actively building a new society.

[@FlymanMS]

tl;dr: Fallout 1 and New Vegas.

[@koletonnelson6310]

JETWTF Thank you for writing this so I don't have to. This video positively OOZES a frankly depressing degree of ignorance of anthropology, sociology, history, human psychology, biology...just...everything, really.

[@colinsands1366]

While you are right humans do eventually form larger communities, this is a process that in our history took tens of thousands of years. When the bombs dropped humanity was knocked back to the stone age, with countless knowledge being lost. Armed gangs survived due to there nature, permanent settlements are prey to the thousands of threats that roam the wasteland. While the wasteland will undoubtedly recover it will take centuries, the West Coast has only managed to recover so well due to the use of GECK's and knowledge from Vaults.

[@JETWTF]

They were not knocked back to the stone age, a nuclear war wont erase memories and skills. People wont instantly forget what a screwdriver is used for, people wont forget what a hammer is for. At best humanity was pushed back to the 19th century when electricity was just starting to be used. The largest communities would have the lights back on with running water in 200 years easily, there would be farming communities dotting the landscape taking their extra crops to the large communities to trade. Raiders would have mostly died out and those that survived would become roadside highwaymen and bandits that's more an annoyance for the people instead of a threat. Did it take tens of thousands of years to build communities, even large ones? Not at all, there were communities of sapiens before there were homo sapiens. The first ones lived in a community. Those communities would become too large for the food supply and groups would split off and move someplace else to hunt and gather food. Those groups then got too large and split up, this happened until humans learned to farm and that's when large communities began that didn't need to rely on hunting and gathering. After the bombs dropped people knew how to farm for their food, they lived in large communities and would by nature work towards rebuilding large communities. They wouldn't need thousands of years because they didn't lose all their knowledge, it would begin on day 1 in every farm community across the world. People that know how to survive without electricity and running water are all over rural communities and rural communities would be spared direct nuclear strikes. in 200 years there would be small cities where there was once a small town leaving prewar cities to crumble into ruin.

[@MMMM-vq1yr]

At least in NV the more Mad Max, druggie punk raiders are given a wealth of caravans, NCR/other territories that are lightly defended by locals and that actually grow more shit than four tatos, the Kahns for drug trafficking, and a lot of luck in the vault the Fiends found. Even then I got the impression they were a dying breed, that'll presumably be slaughtered as soon as the battle of the dam is over.

[@tech6985]

Let's be honest here, it's because Bethesda wants a post apocalyptic rpg and wants it to keep it that way. Look at every fallout that was not developed by BGS. They tend to try to rebuild or something in that way, there barley any skeletons and some of them might be post war and almost every place is looted. But in the BGS fallout's it looks like almost nobody ever left there home for 200 years

[@ClayMcDonald]

You guys remember the good 'ol days, when we had weekly episodes of The Story Teller and GNN leading up to the release of FO4. Pepperidge Farm Remembers.

[@TsunTzu]

That Oppenheimer quote is still so damned haunting, no matter how many times I hear it.

[@Walterdecarvalh0100]

Fallout 4 was lazy, remember NV. They were making infrastructure. Such as roads, statues and power cables that span thousands of kilometers

[@brandonc5074]

Walter Carvalho don’t forget reusing every asset from fo3 so they didn’t have to make their own

[@polpotslayer2457]

@@brandonc5074 he meant the people (at least I think)

[@slayerofgamers9516]

Brandon Christoffel we’ll they were only given 18 months to make a game.

[@justhere4022]

Walter Carvalho but Vegas wasn’t hit as hard as Boston was because of Mr House. It was only affected by the fallout

[@Walterdecarvalh0100]

@@justhere4022 the NCR was literally BUILDING new power lines from california to Hoover Damn to power themselves.

[@theduke7539]

What I never understood is why so few places have left such valuable land and resources to waste. Diamond city is wealthy, powerful, organized, and dependable. Why have they not secured the surrounding ruins in 100 years? It would seem logical to seek out the valuable salvage just outside their door. Not to mention, secure building materials. The brick structures around the outside of the city could be easily deconstructed and used as raw resource to build homes and fortifications around the stadium. They obviously possess the technology to forge and reshape metal, why not organize large groups of salvage parties to scrap metal from towers. Hell the minutemen have extreme technical expertise. Staying lore friendly, we don't build any settlements really unless we use the minutemen, and if we do, we are capable of building turrets from scratch materials, materials diamond city would have in abundance. Why wouldn't diamond city trade for the ability to build turrets? If diamond city began producing turrets, they could fortify the routes to vault 81, Goodneighbor, and Bunker hill, this would guarantee safe routes for commerce, and make diamond city the sole powerhouse and obvious seat of government. If any settlement becomes hostile, diamond city just takes back the turrets, or reprogram them. It would force the larger settlements to at the very least become open and diplomatic with diamond city, and sense diamond city is an open democracy, it would be very attractive to ally with them as it's unlikely a dictatorship would develop with an armed populous. Then again, they might have tried, but the institute prevented many advancements. But even during the CPG, the institute was trying to make the commonwealth more civilized, their own logs from the time of the CPG say as much. So why did diamond city never expand, Machiavelli said you are either expanding or declining, so diamond city has missed the great opportunity to expand and gain control of boston.

[@arkadiuszjandylewski152]

Why have they not secured the surrounding ruins in 100 years? Because they were attacked by super mutants!

[@thevaultdwellerf6691]

@@arkadiuszjandylewski152 Super mutants aren't invincible. I'm sure after 100 damn years they could be able to rid the area of humans

[@lildog515]

@@thevaultdwellerf6691 😂😂 humans aren’t invincible either them super mutants in FO4 was fucking shit up especially the suicide bombers. That would demoralize tf outta people. Like fuck it let’s just stay in our safe walls.

[@dumpsterdaddy481]

*When shoddycast finally uploads a video but nobody cares*

[@tyler9004]

You did Game Theory's job much better, and in less time.

[@thepie193]

Pat's become a cash cow with their LIVE channel getting tons of views from Children, they rarely every put much effort over fnaf, the neighbor, bendy and other things edgy kids manage to fuck up...

[@awesomea992]

I want to fight you but I think that would be a waste of time

[@masoclevine836]

Awesome A I could say the same about you, given how you want to fight instead of argue.

[@awesomea992]

i ment argue when I sAID FIGHT

[@NRH111]

game theory is trash these days I unsubed right after the 4th FNAF video in a row

[@UntrusiveThoughts]

Whats worse for the Fallout universe is that it seems like things are actually going to get worse as monstrosities slowly expand from their localized regions to grow out further. Like the Tunnelers that were unleashed by the courier in the Divide which Ulysses said would pose a threat to the Mojave once they tunneled their way there and who were powerful enough in packs to overwhelm deathclaws. Its just a world where survival is always a priority because any effort for polishing up a joint could be undone by somebody dropping an armed mininuke.

[@deavonw]

The fallout lore isnt very well thought out. The decay and disarray is more apparent for 20 years rather than 200. After 200 years cars, technology, everything would have completely decayed without constant maintenance.

[@AutodidacticPhd]

While it is true that some of the complaints can be explained this way, I still think there are too many places where the only possible answer for why the FO universe looks like fresh wasteland regardless of the passage of time is pure gameplay, aesthetics, and game engine limitations. The NCR checkpoint in NV is a good place to start. Here you have the primary route for military convoys from the largest organized government we know of, and yet, they haven't even bothered to shift the cars off the road. Clearing out that checkpoint would have taken no time at all compared to raising the monument at its gate, and making sure your supply lines are as clear as possible is elementary tactics... and yet... Also, why the hell would the NCR be expanding if raiders and predatory mutations are still such a huge problem inside their existing boarders? And how is it then, that there are cattle barons inside the NCR proper? We know they exist because we meet them lounging on the strip and hear complaints about them from civilians who have chosen to move to the Mojave. Or what about medicine cabinets? NV has a character that straight up says scavving hospitals won't last forever... forever? The Mojave is full of people who talk about scavenging like its a trade whole towns have run on for generations, and yet every single trash can still has cigarettes, every medicine cabinet still has pre-war super drugs, nuka cola still exists in quantities large enough that it is casually traded rather than hoarded, and every mile of highway has enough spare parts to at least make a generator or wagon... even when you're within pistol range of a major settlement. After two whole centuries, lore can't cover that. Only suspension of disbelief can. Though even that is stretched when the miraculous (if somewhat grubby) pre-war bounty does things like making NV's survival crafting mechanic superfluous.

[@FreeBird-ws2ye]

Meanwhile.... Chernobyl is habitable

[@prewartomatoes]

FreeBird0964 some parts are

[@tincano-beans2114]

It also didn't have a nuke dropped on it. *thinking*

[@deezboyeed6764]

@@tincano-beans2114 this. Most people have no idea how powerplants work. It didn't explode like a nuke it was the water tank.

[@Stormfire1777]

@Jake Shaw: the actual location of the reactor would melt the flesh from your bones. They had to build a metal and concrete coffin around it to keep it contained

[@deezboyeed6764]

@@Stormfire1777 Yes, they had to build a massive coffin around it but most of city is no worst then being on a plane in terms of radiation. After the water erupted and the control rods were gone the thing just became sludge melting downwards. the powerplant is lethal in places but nearly all of it is safe enough for short term exposure

[@volkerball85]

Unfortunately, the biggest reason for a lot of this stagnation is because Bethesda is lazy, and Todd Howard is a fucking tool with little grasp of what Fallout is supposed to be beyond "LOL BLOWED UP BUILDINGS EVERYWHERE, DA WORLD ENDED!" It's all about style and feel, logic need not apply. Fallout: New Vegas presented us with a far more realistic and advanced portrayal of what the world would be like 200 years after the Great War than Fallout 3 or 4 were capable of, because, as has been pointed out a million times, it was developed by the people who created the series in the first place.

[@sethz2504]

slightlyoutofreach01 but do you realize how big fallout games are???? They work so hard on them plus dlc

[@WheatGod1]

In what way? You give no points to your argument other than “Hurr Bethesda sucks, New Vegas good, anything else bad.”

[@SwedishEmpire1700]

Well i guess most cut-backs in the game is thanks to consoles, cant multiplattform if only PC's have power enough to give players the full experience.

[@onlybrad8434]

No shit Sherlock. Are you telling me the creators of the series (I'm gonna assume this is true, I'm too lazy to go check who actually worked on the story of Fallout 1/2) can make a better story then someone else ?

[@TakeMeOffYourMailingList]

I like NV more than 3/4, but I still have to ask. Why are the supposedly "thriving" cities of NV and Freeside still ruined? It's supposed to be an oasis of civilisation in a wasteland, but the streets are still covered in rubble and the buildings are falling apart.

[@brandonpiel8789]

My question is: where is all the plant life? Yes, you had oasis in fallout 3, but in real life, 200 years after a nuclear disaster, the world should be covered in weeds and trees. Take the Chernobyl incident for example. The ecology there is thriving (aside from a decrease in detritivores due to the radiation). Even if every corner of the world was nuked, including biological safe zones like the rainforests, and all surface plant matter was destroyed, there are still seeds under the soil below the fallout layer waiting to sprout. Some plants have been known to return after being not observed for up to 200 years (they were waiting underground either as roots or as seeds for a forest fire to trigger growth). I didn't mean to prattle on this long, but my point is that in the event of a nuclear ww3, the world would most likely be a lot greener than depicted in the fallout series.

[@abnormalgaming6046]

Rip Stephen Hawking 8:08

[@isorokudono]

Hawking was eating kids a Epstein's Island...www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/stephen-hawking/11340494/Stephen-Hawking-pictured-on-Jeffrey-Epsteins-Island-of-Sin.html

[@ZioMcCall]

@Cool dude Not Jim Pickens I thought that only an italian religious could say something that bigot.

[@sprite4800]

@Cool dude Not Jim Pickens lol crazy religious dude alert god isnt real

[@DrCooch]

@Pewdiepie Fab 64,709 Jesus did 9/11, Moses was a Homosexual, and Noah ate his Kids. Stay woke out there folks the Demons are spiritually raping the Catholics and we gotta stop them

[@sprite4800]

@ You are 1 year too late my guy and btw where the hell is the proof?? if so i can just say that ooooo pornhub is our god without any proof.

[@angelic8632002]

Sorry but still doesn't fly. Its 200 years and a lot of the records and technology is preserved from before the war. I get the argument but this is pushing it. Especially considering its not just about America if we are to approach this realistically. Cultures all over the world would react and handle this catastrophe differently, and some would seize the initiative and rebuild much earlier than 200 years and come to repopulate/rebuild America even if the culture there collapsed. Also the radiation threat is way overblown in popular media, and while a big problems of this magnitude of a war, still not enough to be a deal breaker for society. Especially a 100+ years after the fact.

[@SuperDeadzombeh]

Simone fallout isnt based on reality its based on the idea of the 1950s and rebuilding is hard when all you have is the rubble

[@angelic8632002]

SuperDeadzombeh I know but this video tries to explain it with real life reason so my opinion is valid.

[@CoH696]

Nuclear war caused a nuclear winter, holocaust and poluted water. It took 200 years to get the population that Fallout universe has now. Also, there are many different societies that are rebuilding the civilization, NCR and Ceasar Legion for example. It's easier for rural areas to produce food, but not if they are getting constantly attacked by the FEV mutations, while in the urban areas you have raiders that live for chems because they are depressed by the reality they live in.... Also, humans by themselves because of the same reason of selfishness like today do not bring nothing to table. It took at least 50 000 years to get us here where we are today, in Fallout this everything went into ash... How can you believe in a future when you aren't even educated for it? And if you played the games you would realized that the most advanced settlements are formed by educated people from the vaults, like this video stated, the problem is that only 10% of population is educated and rest of it tries to survive on the way they think is the right way. Because of this reasons, in my opinion I think that the society that is based on cruel Roman principles has the best way to overpower the obstacles of post apocalyptic Fallout world, uneducated people are not suited for the democracy while the educated are minority. Because stupid people than have the power to rule over the smart ones. BoS also has potential, because they educate people to create good soldier, but that's also the problem, they are militant group only.

[@angelic8632002]

Tanks. Being tanks. To my knowledge there where no real nuclear winter going on in the time period after the war. There are some mentions here and there of strong winters but not the type you would get from a full blown nuclear winter. And you are being too american centered in your reasoning.

[@charlietownsend2826]

Simone I guess the part where you have to suspend your disbelief the most is when viewing it from a global scale. Frankly the Fallout franchise treats it's setting as if there was simply nothing beyond America. That is probably because the focus of the first games was to "explore civilisation after the apocalypse" and therefore they didn't trouble themselves with that issue or didn't want any part of it.

[@Abyss-Walker-189]

The reason why Fallout America is still a mess after 200 years? Because war... *W A R H A S C H A N G E D*

[@hussyskunk6286]

Well, the motives arent too far anyway. So, changed a bit

[@sirzorg5728]

8:08 "If stephen Hawking were here" F

[@SinerAthin]

Large conflict and competition actually lead to the formation of the first major human civilisations. The dynamic; though incredibly complex; is on the the surface very simple: When a new faction shows up with the power to destroy/conquer already existing actors, the other actors are likely to rally together in order to be able to oppose the new power. Groups that fail to form up & band together are wiped out by the stronger actors. NCR, Ceasar's Legion and the Brotherhood of Steel are all examples of this dynamic. You can argue that threat of extermination at the hands of mutants might be one of the strongest unification tools ever given to man since its primordial age. Because as we know Thomas Hobbes made clear, there exists no greater motivator for man than the fear of violent death.

[@Rize_Inn]

Pretty strong argument for the Institute. Maybe they could have developed synths that were strong and smart enough to get on top of the food chain. They were already resistant to disease and even aging. Not much of a leap to think they could develop synths that were as strong as super mutants yet smart as scientists. A super synth/mutant of sorts. Like Virgil but without the side effects of losing motor skills, brain function, eating people and maybe more human looking. Reminds me of the Cait mod that somebody made where she is part super mutant. I could imagine a Fallout quest where the player once reaching a high enough level can get their consciousness transferred into a super synth body.

[@FlymanMS]

The Institute is such a cop out. Basically The Enclave on techno steroids (teleportation is a thing now) but with pseudo good motivation.

[@Thagomizer]

Nothing the Institute does is of benefit to anyone except the Institute, and the entire Commonwealth knows this.

[@lsswappedcessna]

Hmm if only the Institute didn't kidnap people and run experiments on them like the inhumane shits they are.

[@1973Washu]

The thing I can't explain is the skeletons that are in towns that have been resettled. The first order of business for most settlers would be to bury the dead when a new town is settled.

[@carsoncasler7135]

6:37 Super mutants can't reproduce

[@Thagomizer]

Watch, in the next game, Bethesda's writers will say they can be grown from spores, or whatever bullshit excuse they'll use to spam every corner of the map with respawning enemies.

[@gaiusquinn5348]

They don't reproduce sexually but they do capture people and turn them into super mutants by exposing them to forced evolution virus

[@mrfisher1072]

Thagomizer so like the orks from warhammer 40k?

[@thekiminthenorth4668]

They constantly catching female humans and breeding them to reproduce next generation.

[@MrBulldozer1000]

their sex cells are permanently destroyed by the FEV, plus the FEV also removes male and female organs and in fallout fashion it's quoted "levels the playing field", they mutate other humans with the FEV to make more of them. Like in fallout 1, 2, 3, NV, and 4

[@Aruesx]

Plot twist: is was so the design team didn't have to spend so much time animating the whole building

[@deezimmo4814]

Geez, a game introduction is what this is...my mistake. I did live through real nuclear war drills in elementary school and even now, the thought of a nuclear war is frightening. During the nuclear attack drill, our teachers would tell us not to touch the student next to us if they were dead, under our desks, as they would be radioactive; I wondered why I would not be radioactive also...

[@Mikey-xz4vn]

People who rag on society not progressing in 200 years in the fallout universe seem to forget that for the most part humanity was quite literally bombed back to the stone age. Even without the hellish mixed bag of post-apocalyptic creatures and other radioactive pitfalls, getting back up to pre-war levels of industry and comfort from scratch would be quite the task to accomplish in two centuries.

[@mr.battle20]

THANK you. That was exactly the point I was going to make.

[@valance10]

And yet they did it on the west coast in under a century. Retard.

[@sillysongs19]

It still doesn't cover the way that nature would have taken back 90% of what was destroyed. Just look at Chernobyl just a decade after

[@SaintsAndSoldiers17]

Going through some house I would always think. "you couldn't fucking sweep the floors? It would take 2 fucking seconds!"

[@alfalafelstine1536]

So, we have the collapse of all social norms leading to routine and grotesque violence and the presence of more powerful beings. That's a good explanation, but I think there's one more factor. Tech and resources are scavenged, not made. To produce another Plasma Gun would require dozens of technologies that have long been lost, and yet you can still find them lying around. This discourages innovation. If you want something, exploration is a better method of acquiring it than research. The same applies to resources. There's hundreds of tons of scrap metal in every city, and this means that metal production and forging are not really needed. Metal working, and, by extension, the ability to produce the machines that could increase labour productivity and living standards, has been lost due to humanity's dependency on scrap. Perhaps it would have been better for humanity to truly restart: for all it's progress, technology, and resources to be destroyed, rather than perverted.

[@hedgehog3180]

Except the Gun Runners and the Silver Rush are producing their own weapons from their own facilities and not just scavenging for them, because eventually you'd run out of old tech that was still working. Like Plasma rifles were only used by the military, it's not like everyone had 10 plasma rifles lying around.

[@covenawhite4855]

There is no longer natural food or natural resources in their environment. The Original Primitive Tribes had plants, animals, fungi to eat. They could use twigs for fire. They could clothe themselves with plant fibers, animal furs pelts/wool. They had caves, wood huts, teepes, longhouses, rock houses for homes. They made tools of bone, twigs, and rocks. Without canned food and using technology we are dead.

[@kidslivingvhsdreams2175]

The beginning is beautiful and terrifying all at the same time.

[@leafgreenbeast]

my main complaint is that the wasteland is still just that--a wasteland. all the trees are leafless husks, all the grass is brown and dead if it's even there at all. even in areas with massive amounts of fallout, general plantlife recovers in spans of time FAR shorter than two centuries, especially with little to no human intervention.

[@libertatemadvocatus1797]

My complaint is also that there are clearly places more hospitable than the Capital Wasteland. People wouldn't be living there. People would likely try to settle in areas with drinkable water, less hostile wildlife, and fertile soil.

[@SuperYacub]

Raiders aren't that popular in NCR territory, even less so in Legion territory. NCR is implied to be a stable life the closer to the hub you get, aside from the usual tumultuous nature of Democracy

[@huhwerid3166]

"A creator who hates his own creation."

[@nuze4047]

0:32 Oppenheimer when the bomb he designed to kill people, kills People:😢 😭 😡

[@SuprisedBaby_]

"If steven hawking were here" and the axe falls

[@alhassani626]

Some of you may have played Fallout Tactics, where AI has become the bane of mankind.

[@liamsales4949]

strangest thing about the wasteland is the trees. they aren't dead, as they would have rotted long ago, and yet they don't seem to have grown, seeded or produced leaves at all since the bombs dropped. and i am fairly sure even a tree wouldn't be able to survive 200 years with no energy, as with no leaves it can't make food...

[@slimysomething]

Ok but why is the grass still dead.

[@1if3scratch3r]

Slimy ever hear what a dirty bomb is?

[@covenawhite4855]

Maybe the soil bacteria is gone and we have to wait until bacteria from surviving pockets of the world come back.

[@navarro4043]

Obsidian needs to make at least one more Fallout game, I need the Fallout west coast back in my life...

[@squiddy2965]

I think that if they were to make another Fallout game, that they should have it set in the Southeast U.S, like the Carolinas or Florida. That'd be cool.

[@gh0rochi363]

People severely overestimate how long rebuilding civilization would take. Look how long it took for humanity to advance to where it is now. Now reset it and make most of the old world knowledge disappear. 200 years would not mean much at all.

[@clericofchaos1]

too be fair, we've heard nothing about *any* of the other nations in the world of fallout. I imagine America is probably doing better than the rest of the world. Although the FEV and synths have never made it across the oceans, so a fallout game set in a different country might be very interesting. The Himalayas would be completely untouched...so at least the shaolin are fine. "Fallout 5: Mortal Kombat"...i'd buy that.

[@thomashongshagen4912]

clericofchaos1 The rest of the world would likely be doing significantly better than America and China, as they wouldn't have been direct victims of nuclear and biological attacks. It is possible, though unlikely, that there would be a certain disdain between rivaling nations in Europe, perhaps born of the collapse of the European Commonwealth before the war. More likely is that Europe is watching America, probably thinking: "Why haven't those idiots in America rebuilt properly yet? We have intercontinental travel, all they have are mutated lizards and extinct potatoes." Yes, intercontinental travel is a thing. I don't remember which game it was, but there is a guy who straight up is from Europe, if I remember correctly Ireland. Another example would be Cait, I don't know if she says anything about it, but even after a single generation in another country children adopt another dialect than their parents. And she has a very strong, very bad Irish accent.

[@Tribune_of_Italia]

Thomas Hongshagen actually... Europe and the Middle East wiped each other out for oil.

[@Tribune_of_Italia]

Thomas Hongshagen so I assume they’re nuclear wastelands too.

[@clericofchaos1]

no. in the first game we find out this was a global war. every nation striking at every other nation. they say this again in 2 and new vegas.

[@thomashongshagen4912]

Staffaynu You're right, I forgot the desolution of the European commonwealth following military conflicts with the middle east. But the great war was primarily between the US, China and the USSR, and Europe has a plethora of low-interest nations, which hypothetically would spare then from complete nuclear annihilation, if not from the bombs and infighting after the disbanding of the actual commonwealth itself. Followed by nuclear rain leading to an irradiated but potentially structurally sound collection of smaller nations, some of which would undoubtedly help each other after everything went to shit. Hypothetically speaking, of course. I doubt that smaller countries like Norway or Finland would be targeted by anyone, neither country has great wealths of natural resources. Here in Norway we have small supplies of copper, some silver, grains, wood and some other agricultural supplies, while Finland has almost the exact same resources, but fewer metals. Wouldn't save them from nuclear fallout, but could save them from bombings.

[@kilroy6429]

4:58 well yeah, there is the white glove society, and only Mortimer eats people, and Margery banned it, so she’s nice

[@WardyLion]

When researching for Fallout 3, I recall reading a passage that dealt with what would be left standing after a nuclear war. “Not much” was the answer so certain artistic liberties had to be taken or the wasteland would be a whole lot of nothing, especially around places like DC that copped for numerous bombings. While I’m one of those who argue that, even in such troubled times, it doesn’t make sense for things to be so ramshackle and still a mess after all this time, I also accept that there is a certain aesthetic needed to convey the whole “wasteland” vibe. It’s a bit of a lose-lose situation really, as the whole “still a mess after 200 years” gets branded “unrealistic” but a rebuilt society with power, running water, adequate poo-removal facilities and whatnot would be a bit too safe and thus could be boring.

[@CeloHunter]

i like to think that the rest of the world is pretty much ok and everytime someone says "what about america?" Everyone on the room laugh and say " screw them lol"

[@nerd5686]

Before they knew about Steven hawking, what a tragedy

[@picklerick4944]

Don't forget in Star Trek the Third World War happens around the same time as in Fallout but by the time of fallout 4 the Earth is restored and is one of the founding members of the Federation

[@sevenproxies4255]

And you know that "evil enclave" that constantly tries to wipe out all the mutants across the mainland (including the only slightly mutated humans)? They're actually mankinds best last hope for survival. They have the technology and the guns, as well as the understanding that in order to preserve mankind (the normal mankind that is) and give mankind a fighting chance to rebuild, all those FEV-mutants has to die. But YOU players just keep destroying their plans in almost every game. :P You probably blew up the oil rig in Fallout 2 and fucked up Raven Rock and stopped the Enclave from poisoning the water in Fallout 3, because the Enclaves ways just "seemed to damned evil". But in the process of doing so, you doomed mankind! Think about that for a minute you filthy misanthropes! :P

[@davidegavazzi5154]

Do you not think that aren't the humans to decides who must be dead...but the natural selection?

[@hudson4569]

Davide Gavazzi humans dropped the nukes, that isn’t natural order.

[@Dancinfanz]

Are y'all being demonetized or is that why you not uploading anymore?

[@christopherduncan3556]

So many channels are having that problem :(.

[@leeroy117]

It's good to hear your voice again. Hell, it's good to see another shoddycast video!

[@xMetalhead2000]

Doesn't it take 1000s of years for radiation to clear

[@weasel_5841]

In the case of the amount of nukes that were detonated during The Great War, it might be even longer. Large clumps of radiation take over 2000 years to decay. Humanity will never recover from this in that universe.

[@modarkthemauler]

Well yes and no. I remember reading about a radiation consuming fungus in Chernobyl that is predicted to reduce contamination time by centuries.

[@tajbaber9425]

In a case like this, life would evolve to survive, or die off.

[@bfnvalley]

No. Certain kinds like the Chernobyl disaster maybe but you notice how people still live in Nagasaki and Hiroshima? The radiation from nukes doesn’t last that long.

[@Archris17]

While it does take thousands of years for radiation levels to drop to pre-bomb levels, that doesn't mean they take that long to drop to safe levels. Basically, every X years, radiation levels will be half what they were; this is what's called the radioactive material's 'half-life'. This means the biggest drops are seen early on, with each successive period of 10, 20, 50 or 100 years (depending on the material in question) seeing less and less effect on the levels of background radiation. In the first period, it might drop from 1000 rads to 500, but in the next it'd drop from 500 to 250, then from 250 to 125; you get the idea. Reaching 'safe' levels doesn't take that long (relatively speaking), but reaching 'completely clean' levels takes far longer.

[@McCbobbish]

But by 200 AB (after bombs) all the radiatuon should be gone. All the ruins should have rotted away. Either people manage to rebuild they're civilization, or they go back to the stone age. Either way, there will be no scavenging, at least partly because most everything worth looting was taken centuries ago abd everything else has rotted away.

[@communistalien7990]

These videos are fantastic. Very well made and narrated. Thank you

[@KN_Dingowarrior]

This is Flawed, even Darwin himself admitted that his 'Theory' does not apply to man.

[@DefaultDerrick]

Can you share the source?

[@olliegoria]

Not yet at least

[@nicholsjoshua15]

I think there's only one hope for the wasteland, an allegiance between the New California Republic and the Minutemen. The New American Republic, long live the Republic!

[@ghoullovinbutch]

Quick question, why aren't most of the skeletons concentrated sources of radiation? I mean, when the whole Radium Girls thing happened, their exhumed bodies, and especially their bones, were deemed to essentially be radioactive even years after they were buried. Their bones held massive amounts of radiation. It would seem that most folks would have already been exposed to more than enough radiation even in daily life to both leave behind irradiated corpses and to cause significant mutations in most people in later generations if their bloodline even survived to, for example, the time period of Fallout 4.

[@jamieisausername]

Maybe the radiation slowly seeps out over the years

[@lubu4u312]

The entire video supports the idea that humans are still on top of the food chain. Pretty much every point you made to challenge that idea was supplemented with "Even though humans are still more capable" or "Humans still dangerous". Yes the games consider humans being "in the food chain" again but that doesnt mean humans are not still at the top. Also you point out humans have yet to rebuild but then go on top explain a bunch of ways humans have rebuilt. *And the most glaring issue* You completely failed to explain *W H Y* America is still a total mess 200 years later. You sort of just went over some general fallout tones and called it a day. Just a catchy title or did you miss your mark? I wonder. Try to have a more focused point and focus more on what your writing/saying so it comes to a point instead of a 9 minute ramble sesh.

[@mr.battle20]

He made his point, quite clearly even. I think the real problem is this: you didn't like Fallout 3 or 4. And that's okay. No need to be contentious.

[@Bitzell]

Mr. Battle preach