Was Pearson The Second Rat? - Red Dead Theory

[@yonigaming5100]

So how was Cornwall one step ahead of them on many occasions BEFORE Micah started ratting. I have collected some evidence that says it could have been John and Abigail. Im not 100% certain on them being rats. But remember, John eventually retires from life of crime, becomes a bounty hunter, and goes after the remaining members including Dutch him self. So would this really be that surprising? Putting Forth Oil, Train robbery mission this train robbery was Johns idea. After Arthur agreed to rob this train John said he has to run in to town for Abigail and before finishing his sentence and giving Arthur a chance to question what he just said he stresses “DONT EVEN ASK” (we never got an explanation for what they were doing there) I think he was going back to tell the Law that Arthur will go through with this train robbery so they can set them up. The Law showed up real fast and John was the one who pointed that out. The Sheep and the Goats Cornwall knew from John that the gang was going to be in Valentine. Then they took John Marston as a hostage to play it off. Saint Denis Bank Robbery Abigail and Hosea were supposed to do a distraction while the rest of the gang robs the bank. What happened next? Abigail and John literally disappear and Hosea got executed. I think she went and snitched before they robbed the bank, John snuck out and surrendered as soon as things got crazy and the whole robbery could have been a set up to go bad by the Marstons. When John was in jail it was just bait to lure Dutch, but Dutch never showed up to save him instead it was Sadie and Arthur. So they immediately gave up on that plan and let John return to the gang once more. When John was shot in the final train robbery the Pinkertons found him lying on the ground and said “Hey! Thats our informant!” picked him up, patched him up and sent him walking right back in to Dutches camp. Remember? “You left me!” How else would he have gotten back to the camp after being shot in the chest and with no horse? I don’t think this is 100% true but there is certainly some evidence.

[@aradhayarora3643]

literally though, idk about john but to quote Dutch "Abigail slipped away" during the Saint Denis robbery, i feel like maybe it wasnt John but Abigail for sure. But before all that, I feel like it was just a couple of plans gone wrong on Dutch's part.

[@ThatWalrusKing]

great theory, but in "te sheep and the goats" when John is being held hostage and you miss your shot, they kill him. That wouldn't make sense if he was their bait or a rat for cornwall

[@olafran4301]

I read this imagining Dutch's voice, funniest decision of my life

[@Jiyuu69]

I've still only played til chapter 3 but I'm already watching and reading all these theories 😂 I don't know much but about John being gone for a year, what was that about? Is there a chance he was caught by the pinkertons? Then later made a deal to become their spy to spare his family?

[@voidbreaker4105]

You have two games that give absolutely no evidence of that being the case. If John was the rat, then he would never have gone to prison. He would've been too valuable out of prison.

[@ex8800]

Cain was the true rat, Micah covered for him by saying he was dead but he was truly living in Tahiti

[@JediMasterZim]

Nobody would ever expect man's best friend to be a rat, it's the perfect cover!

[@sharkbite6670]

🤣🤣

[@Baggedlizard]

Nowadays he’s hidden in plain sight as jacks dog on beechers hope

[@Ilovechocolatelabs]

I was just about to comment in his same thing 😂😂😂

[@diegomedina9637]

The only true crime he committed was not washing his hands after going pee while preparing the camp's stew.

[@Waxyyy]

That needs jail time

[@nervosadustbolt9642]

He's like Poppy from Seinfeld whom took a piss, he didn't wash his hands, then went out to make Seinfeld's Pizza. hahaha

[@chesterbless9441]

That's worse than betraying the gang

[@Jeybasx]

If you don‘t visit Pearson‘s shop in the epilogue before finishing the second storyline, there is no way Pearson could have known where John lives. So he wouldn‘t been able to tell the Pinkertons either.

[@spretten]

i mean, in a way it would make sense for Pearson to leave the gang. Why would he stay and go down with them? It wasn't like he was as close to Dutch or Hosea as others there. He didn't have that "family" bond that a lot of the others had. Sure, they were probably fond of each other and considered each other friends....but I wouldn't hold it against a cook to not sink with a ship.

[@Waxyyy]

he was the one who was closest to the women and children, that was his family. but he did leave with the women.

[@I_am_defo_Clancy]

Probably didnt help him the friction with him and sadie through 1-3/4

[@spretten]

@@Waxyyy yeah he def didnt have that bond with Dutch like a lot of them had. He does greet John like a friend in the epilogue, but I think he was smart to leave, because he most likely would have died imo

[@Mr.Pro55k]

True

[@Theofficialscythe]

@@WaxyyyI don’t think he snitched, even in the epilogue you can see him smile at the old pics of the gang. Personally I think Abigail was the rat

[@goldroger...]

I think jack was the rat and he went to braithwate himself Edit: thanks for the likes

[@ben11924]

🤣🤣🤣

[@cjaydustie1867]

And Angelo Brontë!!! He even called him “Pappa Brontë” the little weasel! I knew it!

[@Joker-Kerr]

@@cjaydustie1867jack?the rat never he’s just a boah a little one at that

[@Sergei_Krankov]

This guy gets it

[@nkk313]

Or Milton bribed him with a snickers bar

[@CaseyAvalon]

The gang was their own rat in a way, being rapscallions who couldn't lay low. I wonder if Pearson just married a rich woman which allowed him to purchase a store. I do not think Pearson was a rat, I think he moved forward but keeps the memories of his time with the gang in the rearview, with fondness and longing. Great vid, well done 👍🤠

[@channel45853]

I don't think it's cowardly to leave a sinking ship that is drowning toward a hurricane.

[@Waxyyy]

steer the ship away to save everyone

[@channel45853]

@@Waxyyy that's the delusional captain's job

[@Waxyyy]

@@channel45853 still would to cool to save everyone, not just give up like a coward

[@CharcoalCummins]

@@Waxyyyignorance is everyone’s downfall

[@channel45853]

@Muis33 you into ships?

[@Dan19870]

One thing I've always wanted to know; prior to the start of the game was the Blackwater Ferry job straight up bad luck or was it a set up with a CI within the gang? On the search for Micah and John, Dutch tells Arthur that with that many men waiting for them it was definitely an ambush. Later in the chapter Javier tells Arthur that Pinkerton's were everywhere and it was raining bullets.

[@doughboywhine]

The ferry job was most likely a trap. The tip came from Micah who is shown to fall into traps repeatedly and not properly think through his scores (such as the stagecoach the O' Driscolls mentioned) and it is highly probable he heard a rumor passed around by the law and set Dutch on to it.

[@Sebastian62608]

@@doughboywhine Either Micah was stupid and fell for the trap or was a genius rat all along and manipulated Dutch from the start

[@doughboywhine]

@@Sebastian62608 Micah, a genius? ...yeah, pretty funny to think about

[@FsicX]

@@Sebastian62608 micah wasnt a rat from the start obviously..... ferry job in blackwater was either leaked by the first rat of the gang or the gang just fell right into the trap dont know why but abigail is the only one comes to mind when talking about rats of the gang

[@richardtsan3792]

He's not a rat. He's a cornered tiger!

[@jeremy2394]

???

[@Mickeyil222]

​@jeremy2394 In the chapter 3 mission, "Blessed Are The Peacemakers", Pearson refers to himself as a "Cornered Tiger" when explaining to Dutch and Arthur about a meeting with the O'Driscolls. Hope this helped 👍

[@tomcardiff4701]

It's refreshing to see waxys sense of humour come through to his videos

[@dukemeiser19]

Dude what if Pearson fanum taxed the gang, that would be so skibidi! Then Duke Dennis shows up and teaches us how to rizz up the gyatts! It’s turns out Micah was just an Ohio sussy baka.

[@Glumpsy]

Что за хуйню я прочитал? хД

[@Tensifyed]

My eyes are bleeding

[@ratwithafork]

Duke why would you say this

[@dukemeiser19]

@@ratwithafork I am the only one cursed with this knowledge

[@BorutoTheBurrito]

Kill me

[@lynette50]

Also the gang ratted on themselves. Leaving letters with their location at Shady Belle, the Post Office etc when the mayor, who lnew Bronte, knew Arthur as Tacitus Kilgore...

[@scottblack7182]

Now I'm not sure about Pearson however there are a lot of unanswered questions about Jacks "Kidnapping". 1: How did he get "taken" from the camp? 2:Why wasn't he at all traumatized or bothered from being "taken"? 3:If Catherine Braithwaite was responsible, why wasn't she better prepared to deal with the fallout of her actions? She was basically a sitting duck when she could have done so much to ensure nobody would ever think to suspect her. I want to add more but those were the most pressing of my questions. I have no doubt someone (aside from Micha) took Jack and that's why he was so calm about everything. Also nobody questioned him on how he was taken! They were so distracted by saving him and moving on after burning homegirls mansion down it makes sense they wouldn't think to ask. I feel like this is a huge detail we are supposed to question because we never get an answer let alone an in game inquiry. A real f*cking head scratcher.

[@ultra-papasmurf]

the first two are mainly speculation but for the third one the reason she doesnt attempt to hide her involvement was because the whole kidnapping was revenge against the gang, she sent him to bronte to keep him out of the gangs reach and likely planned to in some way ransom the kid. We see shes hunkered down with all her sons and goons. As well she and the grays probably expected to slaughter the gang's main muscle in rhodes to add why there isnt as many troops as they probably couldve got.

[@scottblack7182]

@@ultra-papasmurf idk wym lol

[@arthurmorgan8529]

I've always wondered this. Even if it was Braithwaites took him how did they know where the gang was camped? Strange how Jack's kidnappers and the pinkertons found out at the same time where the gang were. In fact that points the finger even more at Abigail being a rat especially how like you said about Jack being so calm about it all. She could've arranged it so Jack wasn't there for if it turned bloody when the pinkertons came

[@FabianTellez-s6d]

⁠@@arthurmorgan8529I’m pretty sure that Pearson did it, he was in the navy also in the letter is likely he met the Braithwates before and possibly worked for him but didn’t care and also wanted money for betraying them and it’s very likely he was also in contact with the Pinkertons, Rhodes isn’t a big town so the agents Ross and Fordham could easily ask to Pearson by 1907 if he wanted to stay in freedom that could mean also that John met Person when we return back at Rhodes with Sadie as a bounty hunter for later at the end of the epilogue Pearson saying the exact location of John’s house. This shows completely Pearson’s selfishness and how he can betray twice someone just for convenience, the way he kidnapped Jack it’s by saying him if “he wanted to go fishing” for later simply taking him to the Braithwaites let’s not forget that these mansion has a huge lake.

[@arthurmorgan8529]

@user-mz7hi2ks5m that is an interesting theory. It's also convenient that in the epilogue he just happens to have a job as a shopkeeper in Rhodes and he's not keeping any kind of low profile. He could have easily cut a deal with the pinkertons

[@rickastley9459]

What if waxy was the real rat and just makes these videos to throw us off his trail?

[@iceluvndiva21]

You can make pretty much any piece of "evidence" fit with a nail, a hammer, and some kind of lubricant. (soap, bacon grease, oil, ect)

[@Casual_guy1234]

Like uncle is red harlow BECAUSE HE IS

[@Casual_guy1234]

@Muis33 nah he's clearly got lumbago and wouldn't be able to rat to to his disease

[@dominicfox101]

@@Casual_guy1234Uncle is obviously johns dad who is actually Jesus Christ reincarnated again (his birth was “between the fall of rome to now”)

[@Casual_guy1234]

@@dominicfox101 you are completely correct as red harlow is cowboy jesus

[@CJHaven]

Great video! Due to the quality of this video, I can confidently declare that this was indeed worth the wait.

[@Waxyyy]

❤️🫶🏼😭🙏🥹

[@RodZombie]

In the Blessed are the Peacemakers mission, Micah and Pearson come up to Dutch about a truce with Colm, with Pearson claiming he spoke with an O'Driscoll about it. However, Micah is the one who really wants to push this idea, and ultimately is the one who persuades Dutch to consider meeting with Colm. But I think that Micah was either an O'Driscoll plant inside of Dutch's gang, or just his nature of wanting to survive no matter the cost that lead him to really push for the meeting. If this were true, it could be that Micah set that whole conversation up with Pearson, and if anything went wrong with the meet he could have Pearson be the one to take the fall over it, since Pearson was the one who brought it to Dutch's attention in the first place. I think that Pearson, and Bill, are the most easily manipulated members of the gang, and that Micah was just taking advantage of Pearson. As for the Epilogue, there's also the fact John was doing bounty hunting with Sadie which could have contributed to being compromised, and the fact he worked with the Geddes Family, who also knew where John lived as well since they delivered furniture to Beecher's Hope. There's so many people that Ross and Archer could have spoken to that lead to them finding John eventually. Maybe Pearson was one of those people, there's nothing solid that says he did but it's quite possible.

[@scottblack7182]

Definitely like your take on this. You've given me something to seriously consider. I was also very put off by the whole "let's meet for a truce" thing. This may actually be the answer to all our questions.. perhaps 🤔🧐

[@RodZombie]

@@scottblack7182 Cheers dude! That's one of the awesome things about this game, so many things to examine and explore and pull apart

[@Paul-ik8fm]

Yeah I agree I thought Micah was always playing the gangs against each other he was really pushy about Dutch meeting Colm he wanted Arthur out of the picture.

[@Indycarfanatic2024]

Plot armor would’ve killed Dutch & Arthur in this mission. The O’Driscolls would’ve knocked out Arthur stolen his sniper, murdered Dutch while Colm laughed and then slit Arthur’s throat while he was unconscious - the game was over at this mission if you want logic to kick in

[@Nemenade]

I think the pinkertons just didn’t care about him since he was just a cook, never did anything wrong and didn’t really know much about the gangs ideas so the pinkertons just didn’t really wanted anything to do with him

[@khornelordofskulls7090]

i don't really see how people see Pearson as the potential second rat, as most if not all of their evidence can easily be explained. To start, I highly doubt that he was sending letters to Catherine Braithwaite. Yes, the name "Cathy" is short for Catherine, but said name has been one of the 100 most popular names since the 1880's (RDR2 being set in 1899). Him writing to a "Cathy" is most likely a relative he has that goes by the same name. Source for this information on the name "Catherine": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine "Popularity and variation" > "Anglophone use" Next up is the whole deal of Pearson owning a general store. I've seen some people online arguing that Pearson might've brought the store with money given to him by the Pinkertons or with the money that the Braithwaite's had. I again highly doubt this theory as we see other gang members such as Mary Beth and Tilly Jackson living rather lavish lives (with Mary Beth being a writer and Tilly Jackson marrying a lawyer), so it makes little sense how they would've achieved rich lives while Pearson couldn't. And to do with the picture of the VDL Gang in the store, again I saw some people online saying that "Pearson should've been scared to hang the picture up as someone could recognise the gang", but bearing in mind that in the 19-20th century, I doubt many people would remember the name of a gang from 8 years ago outside of the places or people they were heavily involved in (I.E Blackwater and people from there). And for those that will say "But what about the shootout where Sean died?", most likely the citizens thought it was the Gray's fighting against some regular mercenaries that the Braithwaite's hired or something similar. Overall, to me the whole "Pearson is a Rat" theory just doesnt make sense for me, as almost every reason that people give can be debunked with a bit of knowledge or logic.

[@Waxyyy]

you didn’t go through every point tho, but yeah I agree with you. I’m just here to present the theory to my audience

[@jujubees5855]

The aunt could have died and left inheritance that could have enabled him to get the store and settle down. Especially if she believed his letters. She would have rewarded him.

[@Mr.Pro55k]

I agree

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

He got so deeply offended by Sadie’s weak insults he decided to betray them all months later

[@AlfredoPuente8]

Makes no sense, in the epilogue, Pearson smilled at a picture of the gang.

[@SpaceBaked]

The amount of flawless writing required to have people discuss this years later is remarkable.

[@Eco-pu2zs]

I never liked the fact that Pearson, Uncle, Swanson, Marybeth, and Karen just disappear without saying a word to Arthur. It seems like we missed out on some very powerful moments.

[@Waxyyy]

I agree, they were written off. Could’ve been cool to have Arthur get them out without Dutch’s knowledge

[@spartacvsii]

You can meet Swanson on the train after you do that mission with Charles and help that Captain Fellar escape. You meet Swanson waiting on the train at emerald ranch.

[@76djl]

I think the gangs actions ie train robbery (ch 1), not lying low enough (ch 2), actions against the Braithwaites (ch 3), actions against Bronte (ch 4) all would've drawn too much attention without needing a rat

[@ATrueHater]

Don’t disrespect the camp cook like that. Without him the entire gang would die.

[@AfroSenju08]

Not really. Arthur can hunt, hosea can hunt, Dutch can hunt and all of them can hunt they just don’t know how to make amazing stew like Pearson 😂

[@HunterBunter-hk9zw]

He is a very high honer character hes the only one out of the gang who didn't commit a crime

[@ali-h8061]

Hands down Rufus is the rat that damn dog came out of nowhere

[@nrgao]

In the end, the rats were the friends we made along the way. 😅

[@blair6932]

Additionally something that might tie Pearson to the Braithwaites is the old naval compass you can get for him as a gift comes from the Braithwaite docks

[@doughboywhine]

I'm surprised nobody has been bringing up the fact that the newspaper you get after completing Pouring Forth Oil mentions the fact that THE LAW WAS TIPPED OFF to the robbery, which happens in chapter 2 and while Micah is in jail/away from camp. Also it would have been really easy for Ross to find John in the epilogue considering he applied for a loan and purchased land in his real name and later paid off the entire loan in a lump sum after making it exceedingly clear he was struggling financially.

[@ratfraction5495]

My guy really put in a sigma edit 💀💀💀

[@itz.war12]

When?

[@UniverseStrongestWarrior]

Had me dead 💀

[@axeboys1004]

⁠@@itz.war12”now he has the same job as the women… *sigma edit*

[@axeboys1004]

4:20

[@itz.war12]

@@axeboys1004 oh yeah lol

[@FusionZ_925]

I don’t think he was because he has a picture of the gang in his shop showing he cares

[@mr.funiverse]

Wow. What an absolutely beautiful intro, that alone deserves all the praise I can give

[@yoavmor9002]

As some have mentioned: Pearson's shop is an optional encounter so it's not possible in a general playthrough that he snitched

[@Nerdsfeed]

This is a pretty good theory, and the evidence presented is interesting at the very least, but man do I not want to believe this one. Pearsons loyalty was never really shown as strong as far as I remember. Sure he kept the gang alive, and that presents loyalty in and of itself, but he doesn't really have many scenes where he's tore about the idea if betraying Dutch. So its believable in that sense as well. He just gets a happy ending and I want to believe he achieved that on his own. Great video though Waxy! That random edit of Bateman was a crazy transition though 😂

[@JacksonGuitarsPlayer03]

I always respected Mr. Pearson in camp as Arthur and John Well seeing him buy Rhodes General store and running it John was pleased to see him doing well Pearson always had positive look on the gang and always remembered good times hell he hung a picture of the gang on his wall in his shop. Like Arthur, he always had positive look on the gang and stuck with good times

[@Laitosherra]

Just noticed i cant find pearson anywhere at camp and cant donate supplys, im at chapter 4 and next mission is that bank heist where so many things goes wrong. I wonder is that a bug or just coincidence, will see tomorrow when i continue.

[@Waxyyy]

Interesting, update me

[@crankymcgee]

I never understood why Pearson was even there. Dutch had to bail him out from loan sharks. Other gang members had to save Dutch's life. Pearson offers nothing other than making stew lmao. The idea that a gang of outlaws would let some random-ass cook into their secretive society is a little ridiculous to me.

[@AnnetteCurtain-tc4mh]

Theres also the first interaction of john collect parcels for abigail in strawberry,where a guy overhears john using different names,that aswell opens up another possibility of his location being exposed

[@tejahbk5456]

I played the game only once a couple of years ago but I distinctly remember being convinced that Pearson was the rat in a very specific situation not among what you covered: The Odriscoll truce where Arthur gets ambushed and hit on the head at the top of the mountain. Iirc Pearson brought up the entire thing to the gang which turned out to be a set up and his dialogue during and after was extremely suss. My theory while playing was that Pearson was in cahoots with the other gang and knew it was a set up when he brought it up to Dutch and was the one who tipped off the other gang about Arthur’s vantage location. I don’t remember if Micah was also revealed to be involved in this as well but I remember feeling like Pearson’s conduct through the whole thing feeling sketchy af.

[@Waxyyy]

I made a theory about this situation kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmaxh4uEe7Wqbbcsi=5tKAkdT6sgkD6DfT I believe it was Micah, obviously there’s a connection to Micah being a rat. But in the mission it’s clear Micah is calling the shots, not pearson. I think Micah used pearson as the fall guy for Arthur’s capture

[@Skarfgabs]

The strange man was the rat

[@taimanslaughter4471]

I have a theory there were multiple rats at multiple points in the game and the camp blind trust among each other hid some of the members intentions. In the first chapter I believe mac callander and his brother were rats my reason is the botched heist in blackwater and the fact that the pinkertons weree able to gind tge gang in valentine though gang did rob Cornwall the train job was originally the Odriscols so if anything they would have been the perpetrators also when the pinkertons sneak upon arthur while fishing with Jack they say they killed Mac and he didnt squeal but if he was a rat why would they tell the gang that there’s rat activity in there clique I believe to throw the gang off from them having more rats they said mac wasnt one. (Reverse Psychology and all dat or just lying.) then in chapter 3 pearson was the rat and Abigail

[@gargoyled_drake]

Pearson didn't want to die for the actions of dutch and the gang. That dosn't make him a coward. If anything. He is the smartest of the bunch. As the rest of them live a life at the hand of dutch and also die that way. Pearson survived. Because he's got a good gut feeling. The fact that he has been in the navy and probably seen his brothers in arms die around him due to some braindead commandor is probably also why he could sense that it was time to leave. I know people want to hate on pearson. But i've always seen pearson as the older in the bunch. That just makes sure they are eating well and taking care of them. While not questioning their choices and methods. He accepts people for who they are. I highly doubt he would rat on anyone. As he is not part of heists and other things the gang do. I doubt the agency even know about his relations to the gang. If they saw the picture on the wall. He could easily say it was some people he met on the road once that saved his life or what ever. Micah is the rat. And if there are anyone else that have the personallity of maybe being a second rat. It's Uncle.

[@Armageddon735]

2:06 your welcome

[@Tivantri1]

We can just skip to the beginning of the timestamp

[@mrpilot.3174]

In the side mission “the noblest of man and a woman” when you get to Emmet Granger he tells you that he’s a government witness and that he got his ranch from the government. So I was thinking what if the same applied to Pearson because he has a job as the Rhodes general store? Kinda like the GTA 5 story

[@Waxyyy]

Interesting 🤔

[@facelessgames2194]

“Notice how Pearson has had a bottle in his hand ever since black water. We gave him 5 minutes and he didn’t grab a crumb of food.”

[@kixthemedic]

You can also get the credits of rdr2 before even seeing Pearson so he would have no idea where John would be since they never met because meeting Pearson is only optional so it makes no sense to me

[@Waxyyy]

that’s true

[@wadeintonature2975]

Micah was a rat but he was a spy for colm. Micah helped lure Kieran away and doesn't show back up at shady bell until after the O'Driscoll attack.

[@tropicten]

He should have stayed out at sea… WITH THE OTHER WALRUSES!!!!

[@Tensifyed]

Christmas came early! Good vid Wax

[@Waxyyy]

Thank you brother 🙏

[@keecko8169]

I dont see Pearson as a coward, for one being in the Navy for any amount of time is TOUGH, like, one of the most challenging things you can do in life. Plus although a year isnt super long it's still enough time for you to decide what your doing just isn't gonna work out. As for leaving in Chapter 6, everything was going to shit, basically. Dutch was seeming more cruel than ever, Micah had real power over gang decisions, Arthur, who was previously one of the only 2 gang members that could make Dutch see reason when Micah got into his ear, and also one of the main gang members who'd actively appose Micah, and call him out on his bullshit, was dying. Alongside Hosea being dead, and Arthur taking on a more empathetic view that Dutch saw a betryal, it was only really Micah with the ability to persuade Dutch in the "right direction." So deciding you don't want to be a part of a failing gang that is controlled by a crazy killer is pretty reasonable.

[@BleakNote]

Pearson's tall tales seem farfetched at first, but then looking back on his story, serving in the navy, being lost 50 days at sea, running with a gang of outlaws, opening a general store in rhodes after it all. Hes so cheerful and wholesome (relatively) that his stories always seemed embellished but now im like "Shit, Pearson lived a storied life."

[@mysteryneophyte]

If you pay close attention to the sky sometimes off in the distance in the background you can see jack up in a hot air balloon with the pinkertons and although you can't hear them they appear to be plotting together, Jack's body movements and stuff appear to be as one who is selling out their gang to the authorities

[@PaulJuser]

I never went to see Pearson in Rhodes in any of my finished games, so he couldn't be the only one who turned the Pinkertons on to Beecher's Hope.

[@Spillthetea19_99]

I like to also point out that John gave the bank his real name. It is possible that the Pinkertons got his information from the bank in black water? Whil I won’t deny they go to Rhodes to investigate I don’t think Pearson ever ratted the gang out but you make a interesting point, they most likely saw the picture Pearson has of his “old family” and questioned him further. Especially if his new wife doesn’t like his past life.

[@BaileyPoints]

Only got round to watching this now and I wished I watched it sooner. Great commentary, brilliant editing and an all round excellent video!

[@Waxyyy]

thank you bro 👍

[@jirisykora2104]

I still think the Pinkertons just did their job and tracked the gang down, toying with them until they can't no more

[@ulfhednar9]

Arthur said it perfectly they just got too sloppy first a big shootout in Valentine then they murder the gray family and burned down the braithwaite's house and kill all them then they go in March right downtown Saint Dennis and and do a big bank job with an big explosion! There was only one rat and it was micha!! Mr Pearson was completely loyal he loved the gang! And I've been playing Red dead 2 story mode since 2018 and have about 6000 hours on the digital version that I bought and another four to five thousand on the disc so I think I'm pretty qualified to comment?

[@atthesink]

For me at the end of the game everyone was heading away Arthur stayed the longest cause he wanted to help John and was still loyal and a friend to Dutch so he couldnt just walk away .But even Arthur was leaving in the end

[@DanielDiaz-kd7si]

Loved the video and the end with “Come at me Zonkers” was freakin funny, cuz I watch that guy too😂 keep up the good work bro

[@Vitamin_E]

its a christmas miracle that waxy uploaded

[@BroDrums]

theory: Micah wasn’t a rat at all and Milton wanted all the gang to be separated so he can kill each member alone

[@-_Blitz_-]

I read the thumbnail as “Really Fat?” 💀💀

[@FabianTellez-s6d]

I’m pretty sure that Pearson did it, he was in the navy also in the letter is likely he met the Braithwates before and possibly worked for him but didn’t care and also wanted money for betraying them and it’s very likely he was also in contact with the Pinkertons, Rhodes isn’t a big town so the agents Ross and Fordham could easily ask to Pearson by 1907 if he wanted to stay in freedom that could mean also that John met Person when we return back at Rhodes with Sadie as a bounty hunter for later at the end of the epilogue Pearson saying the exact location of John’s house. This shows completely Pearson’s selfishness and how he can betray twice someone just for convenience, the way he kidnapped Jack it’s by saying him if “he wanted to go fishing” for later simply taking him to the Braithwaites let’s not forget that these mansion has a huge lake.

[@prisondaddy5037]

I wish the first time you enter the general store as John was a cutscene where Pearson and John hug each other and where they talk about stuff that would’ve actually give me a happy surprised feeling compared to now

[@tyquanwright7062]

In my play throughs before the Saint Denis robbery, Pearson is never on his post, or on camp for that matter.

[@vincehill4224]

If I were to buy into this theory I believe they would have noticed the picture and questioned Pearson,but I don’t think he would of given them anything verbally, probably played dumb along the lines of him saying “ Haven’t seen them since we all split up… “ etc I bet the detectives put Pearson under surveillance and intercepted his mail to get John’s address

[@siimtokke3461]

My question would be if Pearson took Jack to the Braithwaites then a) why Jack didn't tell anyone when he was brought back or b) when Jack was brought back why Pearson didn't either run away or do something other than chill at the camp for the next 2.5 chapters.

[@roarinfireball]

I couldn’t see Pearson intentionally ratting out the gang, but I could see him accidentally revealing too much information about the gang. He did reveal too much with the O’Driscolls, but I feel like that was a scapegoat for Micah.

[@johnnycraft4583]

What's the music used in the intro?

[@Waxyyy]

Trailer theme

[@johnnycraft4583]

@@Waxyyy thanks man

[@cheeseypotato1134]

That was an absolutely incredible edit at the beginning of the video

[@the_multi_gameryt6899]

If he was then I wouldn’t mind I have a soft spot for Mr Pearson

[@Bushmasterghillie]

The only possible way this theory could be make sense is would be to ask where did he get the capital to buy the store for the previous owner was he saving was he given a salery from the gang did he broker a deal with the Pinkertons near the end on the off chance that he did broker a deal with the Pinkertons it would make the most sense reason being why would he be so bold as to have a well known business out in the open when he should be hiding. The only way someone does something ballsy like that after being affiliated to a gang or crime syndicate is if they had a deal with law enforcement to look the other way otherwise Pearson should be hiding not conducting business out in the open where he'd have people sniffing around especially if your business is the only business that provides essentials to the local community you'd have a lot of notoriety due to your interactions with the public it'll be Kinda hard to go unrecognized or not have people look into you . A prime example would be the legendary gunslinger granger who had a small farm that he was running he mentioned that he brokerd a deal with the government to let him live and toil pig shit for the rest of his natural born days at least until Arthur or John takes him out. Now as for Pearson someone might say Pearson was harmless and not an active gang member gunslinger or stick-up man the Pinkertons and by extension the government won't have any use for him and he's just an innocent cook he's not like John or Arthur where as that is true the Pinkertons have shown that they don't care who they get information from weather through threat coercion or manipulation they questioned molly they killed Strauss my belief is if Pearson did rat out the gang days before on their location he probably heard what happened to Strauss and didn't want to end up in a similar position being dead in an integration room so he could have just told them they up in beaver hollow. Now as for john Pearson asking John where he lives could possibly be him trying to get information out of him to tie up a final loose end for Ross and Fordham the only two persons who could have sold out John was Pearson after getting his address or the bank manager from blackwater. I personally don't believe this theory is true but this is the only possible way it could be true but I like Pearson to much to believe it

[@Bushmasterghillie]

@@john_something_or_other He did I don't remember this being mentioned or reference is it in a letter or dialogue? Btw I'm not doubting you I'm just curious

[@victorpleitez768]

He could’ve been married into the store like the dude from no country for old men.

[@doughboywhine]

If you recall the previous owner hated managing the store so it's very likely he got it for cheap or possibly even free after apprenticing there a while

[@Bushmasterghillie]

@@doughboywhine A possibility I didn't consider I forgot things was different back then 😅

[@Bushmasterghillie]

@@victorpleitez768 Interesting theory things were different back then after all 🤔

[@TruthOnly-qj8oo]

also it was funny when the lady asked Arthur for seasoning for Pearsons food haha.

[@chrisqualls9146]

I used to think still kinda think that Pearson is a rat,his table is also closed right before the lemoyne bank robbery

[@GtaGuruYT]

4:18 😂 excellent investigative piece and really well edited (what program do you use?). I have to admit I never got past the first mission on this game, I had a look and then lost my soul to GTAV and GTAO. However, as a huge Western fan and admirer of Rockstars' attention to detail I definitely will playthrough in the near future (before GTA6 drops). I just like to give a masterpiece such as this my full attention. Great video, nicely done and enjoy your holidays man ✊

[@Waxyyy]

Thank you dude! Man you need to play Rdr2. I was the same bro, my uncle always said to play this game and I would rather play rdo or gto but when I played the story, it changed me. Happy holidays to you too 🙏

[@eyemjo]

@@WaxyyyBut which program do you use?

[@Waxyyy]

@@eyemjo wym

[@NeilFan18]

That patrick bateman edit throw me off bro 💀. All seriousness tho. i like this theory its fun to think about a potential second rat. Im not certain that pearson would rat the gang out tho.

[@Adler.AntiCtzn]

Jack was the main rat, he told the agents that he was going fishing with Arthur. And by the way, who the hell is this suspicious Tacitus Kilgore huh!

[@Snook_YT]

How many more days until waxy uploads again??? Everyone place your bets.

[@Waxyyy]

4 months

[@GtaGuruYT]

Art takes time, so a month. Enjoying your iceberg vids btw 👍

[@danim8414]

8 Months

[@axeboys1004]

1 year

[@Gapy66]

Abigail was the second rat but the pinkertons betrade her she made a deal to save john if she betrade the gang

[@Lady_dromeda]

Well, Ethel was listening in, what if she told the agents where John was? Idk, I don’t remember the game too much, it was two years ago when I played it

[@Waxyyy]

true

[@Sub_3690]

Great video Waxy!

[@Gallalad1]

You dont need a second rat. The gang was sloppy and loud. Yes Valentine isnt a massive town but if a bunch of guys show up in your town, begin bar fights and the crime rate spikes. You may start telegramming and asking "hey, perchance is there someone matching Dutch's exact description who's wanted?" and suddenly the Pinkertons are around and find Arthur. So many gang members seem to forget they live in a world of near instant communication. The telegraph doomed them, not rats

[@Maybe._Danny]

I’m not really sure but I think I remember Pearson losing his compass and it ended up and the Braithwaite manor workshop near the water. Correct me if I’m wrong but that could hint he’s been there

[@antoniokontos5677]

the way he looks at that photo, he's no rat

[@andrewwindermere2425]

Not to be too nitpicky, but at 4:10, he uses the word genteel, not gentile. Genteel means refined or polite and is often used to delineate one society or culture as more civilized when compared to another.

[@meesvisser7386]

I dont think he was ever a raT to the gang, chances are big the pinks found john thru him after seeing this. He also asks john specificely about his whereabouts in a rather uninterested way

[@doughboywhine]

Pearson also says he wants to send a letter... but that letter never comes

[@flosslikeaboss59]

"yes waxy" they all chant in unison

[@nubisnotstump]

When you break Micha out of jail when ride out with him he pulls up gives you a holster then cuts back, where that happens is lone mule stead it's in the back ground pause the game go map for confirmation, same place Artur is taken to by Odriscols

[@ArutherMorgan11._]

I think when he left he told Ross where the gang is so after the train robbery they showed up

[@bbgbossboeleg2207]

They got his information when he picked up the mail Sadie sent somebody over heard him say his name

[@handle-z6r7m]

Remember how Pearson got barely any food from black water camp

[@mikeb5063]

Remember how Pearson got next to no warning before having to flee Black Water? if he was going to betray the gang then he would not have went with them, just slip out the back door and possibly sabotage the wagons, 10 min with a sledge hammer while the heist went down and none of the gangs wagons would roll when they got back and Person would be long gone.(gang likely never gets away or only the once riding horses do but with little supply they can be run down with ease)

[@SpaceRider15]

Man, I think Pearson deserved his happy ending the most

[@sonnyooo338]

It all went downhill when that dog came around

[@markothefirst854]

We know that the Braithwaites still have a lot of influence in Rhodes, enough influence to get someone a job and a wife.

[@FatrickAteman]

The Braithwaite thing makes absolutely no sense, he'd be betraying the closest thing he has to a family for a bunch of dangerous and completely untrustworthy strangers. And I also can't imagine him staying in the camp knowing he runs the constant risk of being found out and killed over it. Also if that was the case why does Jack never once say he was involved? Did he get paid off with spaghetti or something?

[@Waxyyy]

these are the questions I asked myself, again this ain’t my theory and I think that’s the weakest part of it. Get to John epilogue section it gets a little more interesting there.

[@Paul-ik8fm]

Micah is two things he is a mole and a rat. I always thought he was playing the 2 gangs against each other he was really pushy about dutch meeting colm he wanted Arthur out of the picture.

[@Waxyyy]

I made a video about that theory kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmaxh4uEe7Wqbbcsi=qHR8wlN_oh_OOsec

[@BigKd-n4m]

Person probably told the agents about john cause how they knew where he lived

[@nyrhine9664]

Looks at thumbnail Me: ok this is ridiculous first Abigail now Person lol Micah: I’m the rat here cowpoke me!

[@Waxyyy]

i don’t believe the theory but i wanted to cover it, I believe Micah was the only rat

[@nyrhine9664]

good theory video dude@@Waxyyy

[@Waxyyy]

@@nyrhine9664 thank you 🙏