Was Scump the OpTic Dynasty's BEST Player?

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Reverse Sweep hosts Doug 'Censor' Martin, Patrick 'ACHES' Price and Mark 'MarkyB' Bryceland debate who the superstar players were for the OpTic and CompLexity dynasty rosters.
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[@TissueMe]

Formal had a 1.54 at champs.Its formal

[@ShawzyyXO]

In one event.. check the other titles

[@sosajc15]

yeah one event. 90% of other events scump was him.

[@quackster8295]

@@ShawzyyXOThat “one event” is more valuable than every other event combined. Superstars are made at champs

[@dakotaburnett1470]

@@quackster8295lmao ur one of those new superstar/star idiots

[@ShawzyyXO]

@@quackster8295 Scump also single handily won them multiple other chips in the other games 💀 you’re acting like the other 3 did nothing at Champs Damon literally had a 1v1 that’s FormaL said if he doesn’t win that they don’t make the run

[@MadmanRapsGaming]

Doug always glazing aches 😂

[@ericroman1523]

Bro literally glazed to be on this podcast it’s outrageous

[@EXP_Jenova]

For good reason. It’s obvious most of you didn’t actually watch pre-jetpacks CoD. Aches was HIM and everyone knew it back then. Y’all just refuse to accept it because you find his personality annoying lol.

[@jjkenneth2468]

@@EXP_Jenova yeah idk if these kids are to young but aches was goated bo2 and ghoasts

[@OF21.]

@@ericroman1523crazy how u little kids are always hating on someone thats getting money or bettering their life lmao listen to urself

[@ericroman1523]

@@OF21. I’m not no little kid that’s why I know shit like this when I see it. Doug career is over whether you like it or not. Aches carrying him rn and zooma carrying aches im just a real one sorry

[@hewlikehew8682]

From my POV back then, Crim was the superstar player for COL/EG even when he was playing with Clay & Karma. I remember when he joined OG at the start of AW, people were losing their minds saying OG now had the top 2 in the game with Crim & Scump. This was way before Karma joined and also before the vast majority of fans even knew who Formal was 🤷‍♂️

[@isauced_]

The fans knew who formal was he was the best player in the game towards the end of ghost 😭

[@hewlikehew8682]

@isauced_ That's why I said the vast majority of fans and not everyone. Formal even said himself AW was his breakout year where everyone started seeing him as one of the top players in the world.

[@JustinnMarrs]

Lol anyone remember the tournament where Marky B had to fill in last year. Couldn't get a kill at first but when he did the place erupted. It was epic.

[@creatorcomedy1450]

fr and he went even or positive in the respawn 👏😂

[@79steve63]

​@@creatorcomedy1450 yeah, it was fortress control. He went even. He had more kills than Clayster lmfaoo

[@JohnyTuff1]

​@@creatorcomedy1450 he even started talking shit to the other team 😂

[@joeyboii2k8]

Mark was a beast back in the day to be fair to him

[@TuckyTuck]

Saying aches was the superstar over Crim and not even MENTIONING karma is absurd

[@phawxhunter]

karma was a superstar, the MVP, in BO2. With coL, Aches and C6 had the spotlight. While with OpTic, he was the dirty job guy, and the underrated player. When they benched him in WW2, they got worse.

[@jcan4721]

Aches for you lol

[@almightysaber5426]

Fool said “me and crim”😂😂😂😂. It was not you fool.

[@AKKoda]

Clearly just hating and you probably started watching cod in CDL era. Chill out lmao if you even watched at that time, hater or not you’d know aches was him alongside crim

[@almightysaber5426]

@@AKKoda I’ve been watching comp Cod since BO2 champs. And no crim was always the main the super start while teep was the OBJ. Karma filled in when needed. Aches could have pop off games but was never the best on his team. Look through the comments and you see that it’s not just me saying it.

[@thannydevitos2332]

Brother, him and crim were dominant and dropping almost identical stats

[@ryanrazza17izGod]

As an optic fan I would never glaze aches - but from everything I remember it was always Aches that everyone would have to shut down to win

[@isauced_]

@@AKKodaaches was nice but aches was never the 2nd best player when they had clay or karma 😂

[@ChadtheGamer2000]

Jesus Christ Doug doing tricks on it

[@IbiDon]

hahahhahaha

[@isauced_]

He not lying he had the highest kd in b2b game with a sub and then 2nd highest kd in iw to only formal he was the truth 😂

[@itzvtimuk304]

Aches needs to get over himself🤣

[@Kumar-ss4fs]

Love hearing marky b’s opinion instead of two biased jackasses.

[@trshaunhenry9385]

Biased? What are u sayin they experienced it more than marky b

[@dizzyrasclart1013]

@@trshaunhenry9385 nah mate marky b is top 5 all time

[@Kumar-ss4fs]

@@trshaunhenry9385 his experience and skill level has nothing to do with the personas both Doug and Pat play

[@ReboundProdigy]

MarkyBis faded lmao you clearly don’t know ball

[@dizzyrasclart1013]

@@ReboundProdigy Wdym he’s faded

[@Jbird3576]

Doug just salty Crim always roasts him

[@AllenVick82093]

Giving it to Pat because he “put him on” is crazy. C6 was always the best player when he team with Pat

[@MAGHavoc]

what’s pats username

[@Blue-gj9cq]

@@MAGHavocaches

[@bat_chit_crazy]

As much of a scump fan boy I was growing up and especially during the dynasty, you don’t get that ring with out formal he was the best iw player by a landslide he made so many clutch plays and just slayed everyone in his path

[@BallarezGaming]

Scump's kd back then was keeping up with the AR's lol

[@TheRingman7]

Not giving Karmas knowledge enough credit. That man was so fucking smart

[@zenith9908]

I think you might be misunderstanding this. They’re not discrediting him just pointing out the superstar of the those specific rosters. Karma was the brains/clutch and FormaL was the super star slayer/takeover.

[@nathanh2725]

Scump was the slayer for majority of the run​@@zenith9908

[@kierondavis5053]

Formal peaked higher with champs but scump was the engine every event also was the only true sub on the roster

[@Nephzi]

Clay was the difference maker in BO2 that took a solid top 4 team to a team that couldnt be beat and Crim was the best player in the game in Ghosts… Formal and Scump both had their times as the best throughout the 3 jetpack games

[@andrewroling8111]

TeeP was nasty bro. I always remember him being so annoying against optic every time they would play.

[@rapiidbg9142]

100% the worst out of the 4 of them

[@andrewroling8111]

@@rapiidbg9142 doesn’t mean he wasn’t nasty 🤣

[@905kadin8]

Yet I've seen CleanX roll ever single one of these kids..... 😮 for years

[@quasheemtaylor3443]

I think both you had a slayer in both roles either crim and karma doing the dirty work they fit each others play styles well and had good team chemistry and each one could go off

[@Turtlesoup44]

The suck up aches fr 😂

[@itzgunns]

Karma was the superstar coming into coL it was Karma Crim.

[@g-g43]

No he wasn’t he wasn’t that’s a lie

[@ovaloctopus8]

They were dominant without Karma. If they keep Clay they still aren't losing in ghosts

[@itzgunns]

cuz clay was a superstar as well. as someone who started watching in bo2 i never thought of aches as a superstar, the team was good and dont get me wrong aches was nice but the star players WERE crim and clay in bo2 then they picked up Karma who was running a snipe on octane dom in grand finals tell me hes not a super star@@ovaloctopus8

[@saucekay6793]

@@ovaloctopus8yea kinda, but karma is probably the most versatile player to ever play the game. You can throw him in any role and he could do it very well. Col was better with karma 100%

[@saucekay6793]

@@g-g43it wasn’t, karma was the superstar on fariko who beat Col w clay in bo2. Him joining the team was exactly how it was perceived when they announced he was on optic. If he didn’t play with other great players, he’d still have been great, he got optic nation relatively higher than optic gaming at champs before he joined them, playing for a 3 peat😂

[@Syphenz1]

Many players now have rings and some even have multiple but there’s only ONE who has all 3 of his on LAN and was apart of every dynasty, the goat Karma

[@seanpmcb9]

To me Crim & Aches were Yin & Yang, Scump & FormaL were a 2 headed dragon lmao

[@leoncurley3]

Karma adapted to both teams. They wouldn’t have rings if it wasn’t for Karma.

[@jasonarmstrong9656]

That’s not true. Col would’ve won with clay or scump optic yes

[@Repta710]

Everybody NEEDED barlow without him those teams werent dynasties

[@robantico2490]

I played against Formal back in AW on a 1 bar connection. He killed me b4 i could even see him and he dropped like 76 kills his 1st game

[@patrickftw8464]

Aches tripping lmao. The fact he named himself got me 😂 aches was good back then for sure, but putting himself with crim is nasty work

[@strawhateli23]

You can’t say no to Scump look at every clip from Formal dropping a 1.6 and I promise Scump probably had a 1.4. Both were goats

[@nathanpitek3177]

“Me and Crim” Bro just cannot accept he was an old head then

[@ijamzer5190]

Superstars on col were crim and damon and it’s not close

[@rogelioatempa1115]

​@@ijamzer5190no it wasn't lol there's a reason why they won before and after Karma. The superstars were clearly Aches and Crim.

[@miguelsantoyo8785]

Naw for col it was clay and crim then karma and crim, disrespectful to not act like clay was the best ar in bo2

[@joeymiller5055]

aches is delusional as always

[@nahvae]

I immediately thought of TeeP and Scump as X factors. Karma is the glue and is probs the best at working within any given team. Formal is my fav player of all time tho. Multigame champion, one of the most consistent players that will ever touch these games imo.

[@dylanchapron2679]

Col/eg was crim no doubt but if he wanted to add a 2nd it would be karma not himself, dude is so delusional its sickening

[@shoe7525]

Aches was never the best player on his teams, and arguably never even one of the two best

[@ZumiOG]

Aches was mid🤷🏻‍♂️

[@vodka4680]

karma was fucken filthy at bo2 bruh, better then pat ever was at that game lmaoooo

[@About36Greekss]

Karma wasn’t on Complexity for BO2 though

[@vodka4680]

@@About36Greekss same with ghost he was better then aches in that game. bros just annoyingly delusional

[@DavyGallacher]

@@vodka4680 Karma was not better than Aches on Ghosts Aches and Crimsix were the 2 best players on Ghosts but Karma is the goat in my opinion

[@vodka4680]

@@DavyGallacher lmaoooo imagine thinking this. karma clears aches all damn day, and twice on sundays

[@DavyGallacher]

@@vodka4680 Aches and Crimsix were the 2 best players on Ghosts and you're sitting there saying imagine thinking that haha you clearly dont have a clue about cod

[@eg769]

Not saying they’re wrong but my god am I tired of hearing angry aches and fanboy censor giving their 2 cents, one is forever big boy mad hater & the other is just the worst gas pumping player you could ever create with build-a-boy. I was actually irritated when the cod casters brought up aches ranking chart as if it was some heat and was equally happy when Nameless shut it down on the spot. 👍

[@InfinityProTeam]

What happened to prophecy that uk team

[@hollywoodundead1010]

we just gunna forget about karma n how he dominated all advanced movement cods

[@babymorfius8139]

Scump

[@StonekingCam]

Aches had 1 season where he had over a 1kd average in tournaments.. He isn’t a super star by his own standard soooo no not him at all.

[@caseylarson2956]

The final 3 years of Aches career was so embarrassingly bad i can’t even take what he did before seriously. No player in cod has fallen off skill wise as hard as aches did, yet he seems to never shut up about people that would 3-0 him in their sleep

[@n1mbus__]

Seth and formal were COOKING y’all don’t even know how much I miss optic being Chicago 🥲

[@vurrucct8625]

The games revolutionised so much that if you were to put prime simp against prime crim aches karma he would destroy them

[@rapiidbg9142]

coL without a doubt was Crim and Karma, OpTic Scump and Formal

[@saadsalman2261]

Aches it was not you by your own logic it was by far karma and crim

[@KTV22]

Big jock knew

[@RSFHa]

Just like his career wouldn’t be the same either… good point though doug😂🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@cyrusbanner831]

The Seth disrespect is crazy

[@nathanh2725]

How? Everyone but one picked seth

[@seanti7543]

Why the hell aches giggle like that when he said teep was the best player..which HE WAS!!! TEEP was everything for the coL team

[@royalty4958]

Crim was, Teep was the obj player and a huge part of the team but crim was definitely the best player, the MVPs can attest that that

[@qfx125]

Scump all day

[@9BallBory]

Crim is literally the best player ever, never say aches is the reason for that.

[@Aurupa]

Even Crim said that. Aches literally convinced Teep to pick Crim up. There is a podcast episode where Crim and Aches talk about it.

[@patrickburns9780]

Karma and formal tied for best ever

[@AibohphobiA_19]

H4F and the KING 👑

[@JDoc00]

Censor glazing bro

[@theholyfetus3097]

Aches is so full of himself. You are not remotely close to Crim or Karma.

[@SwayTp]

Karma was better 😂😂

[@raymondvaldez4101]

Lol aches always tryna throw himself in the category. Crim and karma were always better. Aches just convinced the best players to play with him. Until he's ego got too big, than no one wanted to play with him. Shit same with crim

[@DavyGallacher]

Karma and Crimsix were definitely better but Aches on Bo2 and Ghosts was amazing he was just as good as Crimsix on Ghosts and he was better than Karma on Ghosts

[@About36Greekss]

Aches and crim were their two best in ghosts but you could argue karma was also a superstar at that point. If it was bo2 then yeah Karma was for sure but he wasn’t on col yet

[@Ggcccccffff]

You’re saying his egos too big, but you’re clearly the one who is biased or your weren’t there, crim and aches were both the superstars in that col team. They’re not talking about who had better overall careers bc that’s crim and karma obviously, they’re talking who was better on that col team

[@DavyGallacher]

@@Ggcccccffff fact

[@hiddinkydink4463]

Ego got too big or players became too soft to handle them

[@metalz3033]

It was just crim alone pat 😂

[@Ryzah_Au]

If every player is in their prime which duo is the best in order from 1 to 4 Aches & Crim Scump & Formal Simp & Abezy Attach & Zooma

[@goldwerewolf8651]

attach and zoomaa sadly is last

[@dougcensormartin3813]

Censor and Apathy are better than these duos

[@Ryzah_Au]

@@dougcensormartin3813 pure delusion

[@hs4248]

Simp and abezy would never choke at the start of the tournament in champs basically every year but 1 like scump

[@dougcensormartin3813]

@@hs4248 you’re right because they’re gonna choke when it matters the most, in the grand finals.

[@Handsofakiller19]

Stop glazing Aches 😂 dude's ego is already too large

[@Geapster123]

Censor know what yin and yang means?

[@Justb99xbox]

Aches was no superstar lol wtf. It was for sure Crim and Teep and then Optic it had to be Scump and Formal

[@Et-bd9nd]

Formal fs

[@rivalsajax1500]

AHAHAH aches a superstar smh

[@Kameronali]

of course not karma 😂

[@LucDaugherty]

Bro aches is not even in my top 20 lmaoo

[@tristanmma8407]

Bro wtf. Crim is so much better than aches it’s not even funny..😂🤦‍♂️

[@tylerford5234]

Aches not ever close with crim. Sorry

[@zombie1376]

Karma

[@EXP_Jenova]

None of y’all actually watched pre-jetpack CoD and it shows. Whenever this question got asked back in 2012 EVERYONE had Aches in their T3. You all just find him annoying so you refuse to accept that.

[@zumptt]

Formal, i dont like Formal and Scump but Formal was the best during that era. But without Crim or Damon that team isnt doing much.

[@vphantasy9935]

Aches is washed

[@e1rw]

Aches and Doug are so washed they sparkling.

[@leeroyc4148]

Who cares

[@Iamrjayhd]

Doug always getting shittted on by crim he needed a get back 😂 but fuck no aches was not better than crim

[@ghostedshadow9282]

He’s trippin 😂 karma crim

[@Mjot101]

The glazing from Doug is insane, not a single person thought aches was better than crim at the time lol. In bo2 it is maybe debatable, but in ghosts it was 1000% crim

[@Kilotango1]

I need to understand why he glazes Aches so hard. It’s honestly too much. He claimed Aches is the best winner of all time 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@timtaylor4752]

Matt, Porter and Damon were all better at Scump at different times... But he definitely had his moments where he was the man.

[@swagxmagician]

Scump averaged a 1.19 across every jetpack game. He was the best player on the dynasty. FormaL was close with a 1.17, but Scump did it with an AR. Crim had a 1.09.

[@zumptt]

Seth is overrated. Him constantly acting like his teammates costed him is flat out wrong. Without him his team won Cod XP. He was an awful SnD player, and lost Optic maps. He really acts to this day like SnD didnt matter and that Nadeshot (Nadeshot is the most underrated player ever btw) was bad and costed him... and thats just no true. First of all Matt retired in 2015? Scump played till 2023ish. He and Nade chose horrible teammates for being on the most popular team and that costed them. I think if Seth spent less time whining like a teenager (to be fair he was one) from MW3 to Ghosts they wouldve won more.

[@swagxmagician]

@@zumptt IW OpTic was the best SND team of all time with a 78% win rate, so not sure why you’re bring up SND. He also had the highest SND KD on the OpTic dynasty and the highest SND KD in all of AW. Also he only couldn’t compete at COD XP because of him being under 18. I’m not sure why you singled out Scump and not Rambo when neither of them competed at COD XP. With Scump they still won 5 out of the 6 events they attended, still getting 2nd at the 6th event, quite literally the best season of any team in COD history. I know you probably just like to spit out random shit without knowing what you’re talking about, but you’re going to get called out by people that actually do know what they’re talking about.

[@zumptt]

@@swagxmagician KD doesnt tell the full story ever and im also not blaming him for missing XP i know why he couldnt be there but his team won it without him is all im saying. Dont like him trashing his old teams, he couldve left Nade at any point if he felt he was holding him back. And "singled out Scump" are you silly? we are talking about Scump buddy pay attention. Wtf does Rambo have to do with anything? Nice call out there mr stat man but id suggest paying attention to the games not the stats

[@swagxmagician]

@@zumptt good job backtracking. That’s what I like to see.

[@Styptix]

throwback to literally 8 hours ago when slasher said ghosts crim was the best player hes ever played against

[@LiamVidler-ib6tv]

For longevity you’d have to say karma and Crimsix, aches was temporary but the greatest Call Of Duty pro has to be Crimsix the most winning and elevated every roster he was in, please aches was brilliant but for like 4 years

[@1stKills]

Teep savage af

[@tobiasketteringham7201]

True though 😂😂😂

[@1stKills]

@@tobiasketteringham7201 European reaper 😂😂

[@schmosterballs92]

Scump = Formal > Crim > Karma. This is why CoL will never be as good as Optic dynasty. The 2 best players never played for CoL. Had Crim and Karma stayed together and never joined Optic, Scump + Formal still dominate with whoever they'd pick up (Prob 2 of Zooma, Attach, John, Apathy, Clay, Slasher, Octane, Gunless, etc.)

[@JayS700]

If Crim and Karma didn't join Optic, whatever team they would have formed would have won everything. Scump needed Crim, Crim didn't need Scump. Sorry to break your green glasses

[@DavyGallacher]

coL was better than The OpTic Dynasty Crimsix and Karma said it The 2 best players never played for coL? Yes they did Crimsix and Karma were the 2 best players If Crimsix and Karma never joined OpTic they wouldnt have won Champs and they wouldnt be a Dynasty Karma saved OpTics Dynasty his 1v1 with Fa5tballa was the most important 1v1 in cod history it saved OpTics Dynasty FormaL said if Damon lost that 1v1 against Fa5tballa he would have left OpTic

[@DavyGallacher]

@@JayS700facts

[@schmosterballs92]

@@JayS700 BS. Crim/Karma didn't have Scump/Formal slaying prowess. They wouldn't have to been able to outgun them consistently. They were obviously superstars, but Scump/Formal were a tier above. And that was clear watching the Optic dynasty

[@schmosterballs92]

@@DavyGallacher Of course Crim/Karma would say CoL was best since that's when they were considered the best. Aches/Teepee were light years below Scump/Formal. Especially Teep There's a reason when Crim/Karma came over to Optic that Scump and Formal were the OP slayers. Crim/Karma were a tier below like Clayster, Zooma, John, Slasher, etc. And whatever team Formal/Scump made after the Fa5tballa 1v1 would've been the new dynasty.