Was Ted Bundy actually special? | Netflix: Conversations with a Killer: The Ted Bundy Tapes

[@nicklasvoncloust5001]

Ted Bundy was a 1st year law student. It's frightening to think he could have been a lawyer if he was never caught. Bundy's escape from jail in Aspen was a real embarrasment to law enforcement.

[@dksdmusic]

You'd be surprised by how many psychopaths exist in professions like medicine, law and business.

[@nicklasvoncloust5001]

@@dksdmusic : Terrifying, I know!

[@ursodermatt8809]

@@dksdmusic and police

[@windscriesmary]

i don’t know how far he would have gotten since he was practically flunking but still a scary thought

[@whodidit99]

@@dksdmusic Not surprised. Those professions are a great cover for psychopaths.

[@ammie8659]

I have an interesting take on this subject. After my husband and I were married 20 years, he started to change. He drove like a maniac, began to have strange sexual desires, amoral, violent. A marriage counselor suggested we get him a brain scan because of his personality changes. The neurologist diagnosed him with Fronto temperal Degeneration with Behavioral Varient, or bvFTD, a rather rare form of dementia completely different from Alzheimer's. It can strike people as young as in their 20's. It gradually destroys the areas of the brain responsible for empathy, insight, executive thinking, impulse control, and the ability to understand consequences, all the while they function and seem to be making these bad decisions themselves. It is progressive until they develop ALS type symptoms that ultimately kills them. I told the neurologist he seemed like a psychopath, he told me they can seem that way. I also asked if he had a split personality because he would act like himself, then do something horrible. He said no, he has a different personality. His face would change and his blue eyes turned dark. Before I knew what was wrong with him I told him that he wasn't my husband and that I no longer knew who he was. He passed away from it a year ago. My husband's actions had a physical cause, he had been a good man before. I wonder if some of these killers have brain damage or abnormality that causes their deviant behavior. Maybe they are evil, or maybe they can't help it, like my husband. The brain controls everything, and it is still largely a mystery.

[@HumanimalChannel]

very sorry for what you go through. I think it could be the case in some people. some people with acquired brain injury can change and cam have quite intense behaviours

[@cynthiaallen9225]

Wow. Very interesting. It must have been very difficult for both of you. The brain scans were definitely needed. You actually had a very competent doc. I hope you're ok now.

[@ammie8659]

@@cynthiaallen9225 Thank you. I'm getting better with the help of my psychiatrist and therapist.

[@ammie8659]

@@HumanimalChannel Thank you.

[@alygodsquad]

nah - this guy was a madness we will never understand.I understand your concept but this maniac killed over 100 times !!!!!!!!!!! he would have realised he was ill after the first 10, or 20, he was an EVIL KILLER

[@maryanneevans8812]

I appreciate how you take Bundy off the criminal mastermind pedestal. An important step is to stop romanticizing serial killers through the media. Thank you.

[@shawne7228]

Ted Bundy should not be romanticized, but he was certainly very special unfortunately. A unique blend of determination intelligence Charisma focus, all inside of an absolutely deranged Maniacs mind. While appearing relatively normal to the vast majority of people.

[@melodi996]

@@shawne7228 there's nothnig special in that, after watching interviews with many narcis+psychopathic serial killers, they all look normal, but it's not hard to look normal.

[@shawne7228]

@@melodi996 looks like we can agree to disagree.

[@sharonletchford9375]

It's a bit late now, he had all that attention when he was alive. Just because this guy says that he isn't this n that you can t go by that, he s only doing this to satisfy the likes of you. How does he Jo, many of these shrinks arnt fit enough to diagnose ANYONE TEXTBOOK

[@steretsjaaj2368]

@@sharonletchford9375 lmao

[@penneyburgess5431]

TB was a senior in my high school when my sister was a sophomore. My social sciences teacher, Mr. Savitz had a black and white 8x10 picture posted on his classroom door, which I believe ended up in the yearbook. Mr.S said that TB was a quiet student. Not a particularly good or bad student. He said if anything he tried very hard to not bring attention to himself, even when bullied he was compliant. In the picture are students acting like a normal high school class when the teacher is absent. Two guys are tossing a football. Some are lined up by the window talking. A few furiously working on their homework. A few sitting on desks talking and laughing with students behind them. Everyone is animated and active except TB. He is sitting in the center desk, hand folded on the desk with a far away look in his eyes and a pleasant smile on his face. He’s absolutely still, not inner acting with anyone. It’s a telling picture, and absolutely creepy. I think you’re very accurate. Mr. Savitz said he put up the pictures to remind his students that evil can reside in the most innocuous people and to watch what people do, not just what they say. If anything was special, I believe he practiced being invisible. I believe he enjoyed knowing his horrible secrets and in his seemingly thoughtful moments would relive his crimes.

[@Skoopyghost]

I have a ASD diagnosis. I am normal with normal, but eccentric with other musicians. I am skilled actor in sense from mimicing for many years. I wonder if ASD, and ASPD are simular in a way.

[@stayblessed471-v5p]

He never had intentions of killing anyone on the future. He just snapped one day thats why he started killing he wasn't born evil.

[@mahinshahrier7022]

@@Skoopyghosttheir are certaintly traits that can fit both, but that is generally true of the majority of mental disorders (the overlap of some characteristics). ASD and ASPD are not particularly known to be comorbid, and is defintely on the lower side of being document, if a correlation exists. And etiologically speaking, they are quite distinct and the similar traits are polar opposites in most cases. So I would lean towards no

[@ColleenWalsh-k2i]

Interact not inner act.

[@Deezfuggin]

You went to Highschool with Tom Brady?

[@CommonInternetLurker]

I think Bundy's seen as 'special' because he was arguably the first killer to go against the stereotype. Nowadays, we're taught that *anyone* could be a potential murderer, regardless of how they outwardly appear. But in the early 70's, most people expected only an uneducated, unwashed, anti-social weirdo could be dangerous. I think Bundy's still regarded as important in criminology is because his M.O. had a large impact on how criminal investigations are carried out; particularly homicides.

[@26michaeluk]

I think you hit the nail on the head.

[@icieberry]

I have heard from a video that says around 60% (if I am not wrong) of serial killers have had a brain damage/accident experience :(

[@ReturnOfTheJ.D.]

The first big thing of anything is always remembered - first pop band (Beatles), first on Everest (Edmund Hillary), first Serial Killer.

[@franmellor9843]

@@ReturnOfTheJ.D. true

[@franmellor9843]

You are absolutely on point I recall all this way back then

[@jackmars931]

One of the things that sets Ted apart from a lot of serial killers is that he didn't target people with risky lifestyles such as prostitutes or runaways. He targets people that should have been safe in the areas where they felt comfortable.

[@HectorJPeabody]

Jack Mars Spot on!

[@alextorres990]

@Cherry_Bomb I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just curious about who else has done that?

[@mariebernier3076]

To your interesting point, Jack Mars, I've read that, when available, he chose college women that resembled a specific girl with long, dark-hair who rejected him in a painful manner. He assumed, and was so enraged and motivated to kill by this thought, that it had been because he didn't have enough money or status.

[@missesmew]

Most all do. Ole Ted wouldn’t have faired so well had he went after different nationalities. He would’ve stood out cruising a stroll or a hood me thinks

[@mikesgoodmann9349]

@Cherry_Bomb That's why John gacy's construction firm was so successful. He worked out of his basement, had only a skeleton crew, and charged an arm and a leg for his services!

[@leilaschafernak-perez8814]

I love how Dr. Grande basically roasted the jail security he escaped from 😂 “...you’d think they would talk about people not escaping. that seems to be a central concept to what a jail does... I would say not escaping would be really high on their list of goals each year.”

[@speteydog2260]

Yep and why are they letting people out of the prisons?! Because of cov19? That seems really irresponsible.

[@Missditabomb]

@yes Omg. Never heard of that. Where did this occur?

[@amoshtael1844]

Dr Grande,love your analyses & DRY HUMOR, like escapes being high on list of priorities for jails, as above comment!!

[@alymig70]

I think Ted Bundy was gonna escape regardless. That’s just who he was. That’s just the story of Ted Bundy.

[@MusicalMali]

SO TRUE! I literally burst out laughing when Dr. Grande said that because it is such a great point!! What makes it funnier (and impressive) is how Dr. Grande remains so emotionally neutral when making such important and valid points. Great professionalism, thank you!

[@bonnieabrs1003]

I’d like to change one thing in particular about your analysis. Ted was a peeping Tom before he started murders. And he was a petty thief. He stalked his victims. Located them in his favorite hunting ground, college bars, followed them “peeped” in on them, to know if they had a boyfriend, stole underwear and picked his time to be a helpless guy with a broken limb needing help. There’s also a theory that a very young child in his neighborhood went missing & no trace of her was ever found. Ted was in his middle teens & a paperboy in that area. The girl had something wrong with her that woke her up a lot at night. She would go to the front room where the piano was under the open window & play it. Ted often talked to her as he went by delivering papers. Officials did question Ted, but he denied he saw her that day. He was already a peeping Tom. Like people that intentionally harm animal, I believe there’s a connection between his twisted childhood (relatives in mental health facilities, possible incest, abusive grandfather, mother was his sister& grandparents his parents), petty theft & peeping Tom activities can & do lead to bigger crimes. So while he wasn’t caught or his history unknown until trials he was needing bigger & better crimes for his satisfaction. JMHO

[@onemoreday1550]

He stated that porn magazines made him start. He said it was damaging. Ted never killed animals I don’t think. He was different in his thoughts process California had 5 serial killers on the state at once. Lazy police work

[@rlynn5985]

Peeping Ted

[@tidypeaches]

Sad and completely horrific

[@greenman6141]

@Bonnie abrs100 responding to your comment left about 3 months ago on Bundy's history of deviant behaviour. Yes, you are so correct, and summarize it so well. The connection or trail of aberrant or criminal acts from smaller to extreme is strongly supported by such criminals' histories. This history of Bundy's was almost exactly the same as that of the Golden State Killer. In one place he (GSK) lived, a huge outbreak of peeping tom activity occurred, so large the local police figured it was one person. The next place he lived there was an epidemic of break-ins, some with theft, some without known theft - again the police felt it was 1 perpetrator. The next was a rash of sex assaults on women. And ultimately the murders with sex assaults - in which he stayed in the house for hours, roaming around, and taking objects. That Canadian army officer jailed for abducting, torturing, raping, & murdering women was also found to have a history of peeping tom activity, and breaking in. I don't know about killing animals - though Bundy did that, as did Jeffrey Dahmer. These patterns of behaviour are also found in people who are not serial rapists/murderers. The RSPCA (UK animal welfare org) and Child Services both realized that where they found an animal/a child being abused, almost invariably any child/any animal present would also be being harmed. It became their routine for the organizations to alert each other if they were called out .

[@onemoreday1550]

@@greenman6141 Dalmer never assaulted women.

[@Ploskkky]

Your videos are extraordinary: Not a shred of sensationalism, just facts, just knowledge. Thank you so much for educating us.

[@BJ-zd2or]

This is very what we need 👍

[@xat0304]

KZbin needs more PhD level scholars.

[@LegalTyranny]

@@xat0304 It isn't the PhD, it's the intrinsic capacity for critical thinking. Some people are born with it. That's how things like PhD programs eventually came about, by attempting to train others to engage in the same intrinsic mental behaviors as the "naturals". But there's no replacement for having the natural talent. Just like with physical talents. Some guys have better genetics to fill out more proportionally for Mr. Olympia Titles. Some intrinsically have an advantage at sprinting. Hard work can certainly push one to the limits of one's capacities, but when put up against another who is doing the same thing, but who just happens to have a larger innate capacity, the latter is the one with the factors to be better.

[@LegalTyranny]

@@xat0304 Also most people in higher education are far from humble. Many push further as a result of NOT being humble, but to make up for feelings of inadequacy. The nerd's nerd types are more rare than these people who are the strawman in the Wizard of Oz. They need that piece of paper from an authority saying they're smart to feel good about themselves or put others down. Dr. Grande comes across as some sort of NT, maybe an INTJ or INTP on the Meyer's Briggs type personality sorter. Most of them are into things for the sake of knowledge, not because of a weak or fragile ego.

[@Newton14alan]

A.Plosky -- I agree. I'm so sick of the labels, given to serial killers, such as "Evil" or "a monster". I feel that these labels prevent us from really understanding what is going on with these people. I'm one of the few individuals who believed Ted Bundy was telling the truth during his final interview with Dr. Dobson. Ted said that it was probably due to his exposure to hardcore BD/SM porn that began as a child, and progressed as he got older. There may have been other factors, in place (his grandfather, the feeling of being betrayed by his mother [being told that she was his sister]), but all addictions are progressive, and they usually evolve into destructive behaviors...whether "self-destructive" or "other-destructive".

[@SynnJynn]

What makes me sick is the women who threw themselves at him even after knowing what he did.

[@shannonsmith7201]

Yes me too there obviously sick like him.

[@franwebb7756]

Its some kind of mental illness why the women fall for prisoners and bad boys.

[@lyndawood7937]

I agree, same holds for other killers. What the h-ll is wrong with these women? They are sicker than the killer I feel. Charles Manson actually got married before he finally died. What a sick woman. I do not believe they should ever be able to get married. It would stop a lot of this crap.

[@aliciaolgagaidaroffnieto7297]

@@lyndawood7937 v

[@stephanies34]

Dr. Grande should do a video on this phenomenon. Why do people get obsessed with infamous killers, Dr. Grande?

[@lindacosta3381]

I think at the time Ted Bundy was special. The 1970’s was an innocent time. Young women often thought that a dangerous killer looked and acted different. Like an Ed Gein. A social misfit that lived on the edge of town in a run down shack. Bundy was the complete opposite. He was socially acceptable, even somewhat handsome and well educated. He was charming and women liked and trusted him. He guessed correctly that women are helpful and empathetic and would help a struggling man on crutches or who had a caste on his arm. Plus there was no such thing as DNA, no CODIS, no internet. There weren’t even fax machines. News traveled slowly and Bundy benefitted from this. Police departments rarely shared information from county to county let alone state to state. So Ted remained undetected. It took a while before the murders in Washington could be connected to the ones in Utah and Colorado. Ted was extremely mobile. The police had never worked on a case like his. He became the new face of evil, a nice normal college boy and Eagle Scout was a cold blooded killer. In that way, Ted Bundy was special

[@Andeetec]

I agree, first, he was not the first serial killer. We have always had them among us. He was the face of what you would want your child to become. Nice looking, academically successful, college bound, accepted in law school, attractive, truly an up and coming member of Société. If he had been able to control his impulses better. Girls trusted him because of his looks, yuppie ish, which worked to his advantage. For, he did not look like a monster, and he was definitely a monster. Look at how many women are fooled by narcissistic individuals, he was a master at manipulating people to think he was normal - not a murderer on many levels. I venture to say he escaped from prison because he was charasmatic in a way with the guards in a way that made them trust him. That is why they did not check on him or know he was gone. Now he fooled them and they knew he was a murderer. Really!!!

[@jewelryboxballerina]

Linda Costa I don’t see where he was so handsome. He was in his early 30s and looked like he was 45. I here that so much from women. Idk what they saw in him. They said he had movie star good looks. Um...not to me. He wasn’t bad looking, but not anything to go crazy over.

[@katalac]

@@jewelryboxballerina well this was back in the day..and I'm assuming you are very young...we didn't have all these social media outlets to see all the "beautiful" people. He was considered very good looking back in the day.

[@almaburns6562]

@@katalac Yes, Ted Bundy was boyish-looking & charming, which was disarming. He definitely did not look like a serial killer. Dr. Grande, on the other hand, with his emotionless, dead-pan delivery, could pass for one, LOL!

[@detectivefiction3701]

You say the 1970s was "an innocent time.". Funny how that rather meaningless phrase seems to be said about every single decade. I'm willing to bet that a lot of people during the 1970s didn't think of it as "an innocent time" but instead saw the 1950s or the 1930s or the 1910s that way.

[@Jane_under_a_tree_with_a_book]

@Dr. Todd Grande I have seen someone's eyes turn black once in my life. It was a very chilling and frightening experience. The iris does not change colour, however the pupils dilate so that the eyes seem fully black. Intense emotion triggers this response - such as rage or fear. I have since heard the term: 'the black eyes of narcissism'. Believe me, eyes can turn black.

[@JenniRedeemed]

I've seen this as well.

[@commonsense571]

I believe you. (Shiver..)

[@syon600]

I've seen it captured on film, chilling. But we have all seen how changed, and grotesque, ugly people can become when angry. unless we have been lucky in life.

[@phil4986]

It is the human expression of a animal as it prepares to attack it's prey. You see it,get away.

[@VivaLeMoi]

Me as well. My experience is a personal one. The night my ex tried to murder me. He naturally had brown eyes. However, that night his eyes were completely soulless. Black with no life in them. I will never forget that.

[@jannieschluter9670]

3:30 Eyes going from blue to black means that his pupils fully enlarged. A cat will always fully enlarge pupils to the point that the eye color disappears, all being black, when it is in a predatory mood. Ted Bundy's eyes behaving this way when talking about crimes indicates that those crimes and reliving them by thinking about them did put him in a predatory state. Important observation!!

[@lmuriilo5803]

Wow Nice!

[@janicesimpson9849]

Except that we aren’t cats 🤷🏼‍♀️. We should be looking at the human causes for dilated pupils rather than cats. It’s like diagnosing a dog based on a fish. No hard feelings meant, I just don’t think that’s comparable ❤️ Edit: Love your name!

[@jannieschluter9670]

@@janicesimpson9849 Stop being manipulative. Your argument is false and your heart emojis and "love your name" a$$ kissings in the end do not make your false argument somehow right. It's not like we are comparing a human with a cactus here. Back off, narcissist.

[@michaelvlog5612]

@@jannieschluter9670 when your pupils dilated its either fear or arousal/excitement. i get the analogy anyway.

[@epoulos108]

Absolutely.

[@BarefootBeekeeper]

"I never met Ted Bundy." Probably a good thing.

[@SandraMontano-si3uf]

@@fredricorosenfield9976 I was ready to give you a thumbs up till you said what you said about about my President Trump----

[@sheilalopez3100]

Yes, you wouldn't be her to say this.

[@TheDollarKing]

@@fredricorosenfield9976 your wrong, these people are special. There mental illness capsulates what trauma and genetic backgrounds can do to the brain and the consequences it leads to. Most cases of serial killers grew up in traumatic settings with little to no appreciation, well ofcourse besides Jeffery dahmer who grew up in a loving middle classes home. This is why these people are so fascinating and ‘special’, it doesn’t matter who you are or how you were raised, your mind can still fall ill to anti social personality disorder and many other personality disorders ofcourse. These people’s actions actually replicate ecosystems in nature which is what makes it so fascinating. These psychopaths and sociopaths are equivalent to predators catching there prey. Ofcourse is humans live in a society where morality is accounted for. In reality this shouldn’t be the case. Society rewards people for playing the victim card. The mind of someone with aspd or other disorders that can lead to aggressive twisted urges and fantasy’s is unique. They think differently and don’t account for feelings of remorse and guilt which in my opinion can be a very good thing or a very bad thing, the perception of the person is important. Our pets we take care of do not have ‘love’ for us, they do not have a conscience (like people with aspd), our pets do not care or even perceive our feelings they just want food and shelter. Essentially people like this have the same thought process as an animal in the wild trying to survive. They look at everything as threats and will do whatever they have to do to get what the need or want. In fact I think this thought process is correct to a certain degree. Nature does not care about morality or people feelings. Everything is a game to them, if you are tricked you essentially lost the game in there eyes. This would be fascinating to see in a society full of people who think like this. Would society fall or would there be a never ending rise of power due to survival of the fittest?

[@_letstartariot]

Dr Grande was not his target demographic. He liked young pretty women with long hair. Hence why his target was university campuses. Bundy worked in psychology. Specifically a suicide hotline. Grande is too young though to be doing what he does now in the 70’s.

[@Fitness4Freshies]

@@fredricorosenfield9976 Trump , really ? What about the drones that Obama sent to kill children ? Libya?

[@jocrow6235]

This gentleman’s voice is so reassuring.

[@kallie9229]

I've fallen asleep to Dr Grande talking about murder 😭😂

[@ThebigGLRams]

I sleep to it

[@joellekrippes4638]

@@kallie9229 iìiìii

[@violetdarling1008]

Right? One of my absolute favorite channel subscriptions.

[@ddruckenbrod]

Didn’t TB state in an interview that had it not been for pornography he didn’t think he would have progressed to killing women?

[@johnsullivan5525]

I watched dozens of kids get picked on by the masses in grade school, and several in High school. Some had impaired speech. Then I knew several who had been severely abused sexually, as well as excessively violently abused...in and out of foster homes. I, myself, was an early childhood victim of incestual abuse at the hands of my oldest sister. As well as needing to be taken to the emergency room for 12 stitches on my thumb pad ...from being thrown out of moms way...landing on a glass- top coffee table..at age 9...My reflexes ...extended my arm..to avoid hitting the it face-down. Then of course ....shook and slapped to the floor..for breaking that expensive table. And ..never once ...did the thought of random violence ..much less harming an innocent female ..ever cross my mind. It is the responsibility of the abuse victim to seek a healthy response to his trauma. Therapy was the route I took.

[@tammydietschweiler7852]

It was a shame how years ago the school system didn’t protect children like they do today! Or at least they are much more aware. I suffered greatly with shyness and being such an introvert from severe child abuse that has destroyed my family entirely with one sister dying. Dam what is wrong with these people that never never should go near a child. I realize we can’t monitor the world…but it would be a better place for us if this could be better controlled with questioning by school counselors before the year begins and these punks that harass other students need their parents fined. That might put a stop to some of this crap. I’d see a small sized boy or girl with not perfect features or a little plump mercilessly abused on buses for years and dear God if this didn’t destroy their little lives. I cried often for them and myself and my rotten life of abuse with a mad man drunk that my mother let him hurt us. It was some sick stuff for little innocent loving children to ask themselves daily, “what am I doing wrong.” Nothing it was a crazy adult that belong behind bars.🥹🥹🥹 Protect our children!

[@packersnerd]

@@tammydietschweiler7852 they don’t protect them today 😂. They get slaughtered by the masses weekly

[@mideastgirl8926]

I am so sorry what you have experienced. It is horrific and you are a very brave, lovely soul. God bless you so much.

[@Es-yb3db]

And it's the responsibility of the state to provide adequate support for those seeking a healthy response

[@michellelambert8729]

Therapy probably saved your life, it saved mine!

[@jasonl8326]

Dr. Grande is a great speaker; notice he never uses interjection words like "umm, ahhh" etc, which really allows his speech to flow and helps keep the viewers' interest. I try to do that, but it's more difficult than one would think.

[@babaja23]

He looks more crazy then Bundy

[@kirstenbakker839]

I've noticed that most people who speak without ever saying 'uhm', tend to use a short pause (take a breath) in the middle of their sentence instead.

[@LegalTyranny]

@@kirstenbakker839 It's a comfortable pacing isn't it?

[@luminol]

Uh yeah.

[@janethomason3915]

Due to editing, I believe.

[@norepetitivebeats]

Maybe his pupils dilated through arousal when he spoke about his crimes giving the appearance of turning black?

[@DrGrande]

That's a good point -

[@kellypawspa]

Creepy..... But facinating!

[@aquamarinedream8304]

This is what I had thought too. Since otherwise the statement about his eyes would make no sense.

[@generalralph6291]

I had the sensation of seeing black in someone's eyes once. Found out later this woman was deeply hateful, lonely, and cruel. Your brain interprets all your sensory data for you. If your brain puts an odd spin on your experiences, it may be trying to tell you something.

[@NotADood]

My mom had eyes that changed color with her moods. Her baseline color was blue but if she was feeling gloomy they'd go gray and other times they'd go green. Bundy's childhood friends also reported his eyes going black when he was angry.

[@WoodlandT]

I was briefly involved with an individual who displayed many narcissistic/sociopathic traits. On one occasion he became enraged in a way I’d never witnessed with anyone and he threatened to kill me. His face seemed to change & his very pale blue, almost gray eyes, turned completely black. My assumption was that his pupils dilated completely. It was genuinely terrifying and in a way I’d never experienced before, flight kicked in. I literally ran! It was one of the most frightening moments of my life. I still feel a sense of panic when I think about it, my heart is racing right now. Thanks for the excellent content Dr Grande!

[@akehapkap6143]

J T I lived with a narcissist for 7 years. He was never any danger to me or my kids, but was abusive and egoistic mostly. He was not physically abusive, but he changed the household totally with mental and oral use. Had no need for showing responsibility for things in an everyday life and rarely paid commune expenses like rent and power. They are pretty subtle, and most are not killers. Some use mental abuse, and some are leaders or have a job that need quick thinking. Some actually do a good job an function in society. There is a lot of them all over, and most behave in society. Some don't, and in close relations they are mostly abusive in some amount.

[@cubbiesmith4505]

X narc husband eyes would get larger look like boiled egg white ,his pupil went vertical line straight up and down. Some time blood shot red pupils jet black. If one never experience the narc stare its demonic you will know.

[@jdr9419]

J T so sorry you went through that. So glad you left and didn’t go back.Some women do.

[@jdr9419]

Akehap Kap hope your away from him now.

[@vice2versa]

@Macdealerx what do you mean they will always be much faster than you??

[@sukijay4990]

An interesting analysis. Ted Bundy is the epitome of the warning you should give your kids that killers can be clean cut and relatively attractive. I saw his mother in a video today and he looked just like her. It’s amazing that he could look so differently to people depending on his personality in the moment. The police were really inept in those days, letting him escape not once but twice! I bet he couldn’t believe his luck. Anyway, those poor girls, they had terrifying deaths.

[@puketinmoarliek994]

back then you could do anything you wanted

[@allenh7835]

🎯 Same mistake some make picking up hitch hikers and stopping for "stranded motorists". Clean cut and friendly looking is often the last face they ever see.

[@diannabutler2674]

@@puketinmoarliek994 no you couldn't. I grew up in the 70s.

[@puketinmoarliek994]

@@diannabutler2674 ok? The police close far more cases now compared to the 70s.

[@theowl3756]

On the very last interview with Ted Bundy, the day before he was executed, the primary source of his conduct is clearly explained. What is important is how he was able to get into the mental stage to commit the crimes. He is very intelligent and articulate in describing his metamorphosis from a normal kid to becoming a serial killer. He explains very clearly that although people may have different proclivities, there is often a common denominator in transforming a person into a violent sexual predator. He refers to pornography and violence displayed in printed material and movies.....And, of course, now we have the social media, and the teenagers who walk around as if the phone is an extension of their arm. Ted Bundy left the Clue, and it is up to the society to seek remedy.

[@sabinefourneaux174]

The fascination comes from him seeming so likable, genial, intelligent, social and looking like the boy next door. It's his packaging that made him dangerous. We think we can tell when someone is 'off' and most people did not get that signal from him at all. He ticked all the boxes of normal: looks, education, volunteer work, relationships. His charisma was such that even the judge at one sentencing had praise for him -- it's horrifying how he manipulated with his charm. That was his most dangerous weapon.

[@thesisypheanjournal1271]

He had Ann Rule totally bamboozled, and she was a former policewoman.

[@anonz975]

Yes that and the fact he represented himself at the trial which really showcased his charm and gave him opportunities to speak with the media.

[@rm6857]

Thats why i avoid charming people, and most of my friends are just "boring" weirdoes

[@phoenixrisin2269]

The one thing that bothered me in the trial was the judge telling him how smart he was and how he would have loved to have him practice law in front of him, if only he had chose another route in life, after that judge saw what he did to those girls. Just goes to show you how charming and convincing he was. Disarming, when you should be aware that you are in extreme danger! That’s one scary mf!

[@kdrxz5188]

@@phoenixrisin2269 He did not do it with the purpose of praising, or exalting, but making it clear that it was in vain to have used his tactics during the court, that's why he said, but you took the wrong path.

[@susanjoycesabo8450]

Bundy always thought that he was the smartest guy in the community and had real contempt for law enforcement. Yet it was an ordinary traffic violation spotted by an ordinary cop that took down Bundy. ha ha.

[@peggypeggy4137]

Fortunately he was an extraordinary bad driver. His driving was what got him caught everytime...before the cops had a chance to discover that the car he was driving was stolen LOL !!

[@svenskgangmiljo2168]

He worked in the DA's office in Seattle. Alongside Ann Rule who was a cop at the time.

[@eriklarson9137]

Imagine how off you must be that you put haha that he got caught after he murdered over 50 people. Lol at you. It's not like he got caught on the way home from his first murder. Good grief.

[@rancidmarmot1994]

Kinda the point he was caught with dumb luck not any kind of good police work.

[@blackbaron2572]

@@eriklarson9137 her "haha" is still in order. Yes, unfortunatel he got away with several dozen murders. Nonetheless, it was still his arrogance and carelessness that brought him down. This other commenter doesnt have to be "off" to haha about that. Youre just bein' a bit trolly

[@lilbatz]

Interesting vid. Ted got away with so much because he wasn't a grubby, inarticulate, loner freak. He looked like the guy all dad's wanted their daughter's to marry, and Ted could really pour on the charm when necessary. My grandmother, to her dying day, doesn't believe he did all those crimes (lived by where the murders took place in Florida), because "People who look like "that" don't commit those kinds of crimes." A shower, clean clothes and charm lets you get away lot. Lol...oh grandma..

[@rupatiwari5923]

Lol oh Granma

[@DSmith-tx5pz]

My Mom had a case of beloved famous people can’t be guilty of crimes….like OJ. She watched that trial from start to finish and swore he was innocent…

[@JustCallMeLiberty]

They all got the same programming/brainwashing...it's all about image and money to that certain age group. I think Teds Mom is totally fake nice too!

[@DSmith-tx5pz]

@@JustCallMeLiberty If you look at the book of OJs titled (if) I DID IT the word if is tiny and hidden inside the letter I. Visually what you see is I DID IT unless you look closely. There is also an image of a bloody shoe print on the cover. It’s very disturbing/disgusting. I watched a lengthy sit down interview a woman did with him in relation to his book and he was creepy and again disturbing talking about how it would go if he killed his wife and the other person. He was enjoying talking about it. The interviewer said it sent chills down her spine. I know there are people that even now believe he is innocent but I wonder how they would feel if they watched this interview and read his book. Sadly he literally got away with murder.

[@JustCallMeLiberty]

@@DSmith-tx5pz yes he did ...nobody I know thinks he's innocent. His lawyers turned the whole thing into racial politics. I feel sorry for the two kids he had with Nicole and of course for her and Ron Goldman and the families. OJ is a creep.

[@golfergal]

I lived next door to Georgann Hawkins and was a sorority sister with her. Having walked the alley where she was taken by TB, I can attest that it was a very typical route back and forth for most of us. I know all the main players that were involved with her abduction in that we were on site and witnessed the police and anxiety. It was very frightening, and having no idea who "TED" was as he had not abducted the girls at Lake Sammamish, we were, however, aware the college girls were disappearing. There were no bodies found but we conducted our lives more carefully after Georgann. The frats would escort us back and forth to class...but after a few months, life got back to normal. I personally walked alone at night, hid a key to our sorority under a rock for after hours, and propped doors open to let friends in and out. When the Chi Omega murders happened, we were shattered as well as realized that our behaviors could have easily led to a similar slaughter. Our sleeping quarters were a few steps from the back door and at least 20 girls bunked in that room. He would have had a field day if he knew. Bundy got away with it because he knew the cops were not communicating very well with each other...and when the heat was turned up with his name and pic in the paper, he took off for Utah, where he picked ups here he left off in the Seattle area. All of his "hunting" grounds were blocks from each other...and where I spent many years. Even today, the area looks very much like it did in the 70s...the alley has not changed much at all!

[@christina3521]

Thank you for posting this. It must have been awful. Details like this need to be in a book. A retired co worker was hit on by him at a U District bar. She said she later saw his photo on tv or newspaper. I didn’t know if she meant then or years later, but Your account confirms a contemporary time line. She still had long straight hair when she retired, living just five minutes from the U district.

[@emilycarter2492]

I absolutely respect how you present no ego when discussing cases. You never try to say that you are absolutely correct or that you know more than others in your profession. I wish more doctors would develop this type of humility. Kudos to you Doc.

[@fables4564]

As a therapist, I truly enjoy your videos. You have a very logical, factual, and ethical videos! Thank you for being a true role model for the mental health community

[@amandarios448]

Me too, proper "scientific" analysis of famous cases is so rare, lots on con people calling themselves psychologists or psychiatrists but lack all the scientific background or the neutrality. I just came by this channel but i really appreciate his work

[@RachaelStephanie]

We can always count on Dr Grande to give a balanced, well thought out and level headed look at things. Great video Dr Grande!

[@DrGrande]

Thank you so much!

[@amandarios448]

You do a very good job in being balanced & we really need this kind of balanced perspective. People will often turn biased to please certain people or to satisfy their own questions. But that doesn't help in the long term in REALLY understanding & possibly developing prevention in those horrible cases

[@dalegribble5661]

Right girl!! Lol hes so calm and fair, i describe Bundy as pure evil period the end lol!!

[@dalegribble5661]

@@DrGrande Doctor what About his "good work" he did at the suicide hotline job? That messes with my head! Ppl said he eas REALLY good at it!!!😶

[@Vicorcivius]

You are such a follower pleb...

[@dragonmummy1]

Yes, Bundy was special. He destroyed our innocence. He proved that, as Shakespeare said, “a man may smile, and smile, and be a villain” . I’m of an age with Ted. Before Ted the only serial killer we’d known was Jack the Ripper, and he’d been dead a long time. Our mothers told us to be careful of strangers, and we knew strangers were ugly, and menacing and we’d recognise them in an instant. Take care of yourself, don’t take lifts with men you don’t know, don’t walk across a field on your own at 1am. We thought we knew how to keep ourselves safe. And then came Ted. Ted whisked a woman away from her friends in broad daylight, in a park filled with thousands of people. And later the same day he came back and did it again. He somehow inveigled a woman out of a hotel containing hundreds of people, including her own husband. And no-one saw him do it. He took young women, again in broad daylight, from their college grounds. These were women who looked like us, nice young women, attractive, intelligent, just stopping for a moment to help a nice-looking young man. And you know why he fascinates us? Because he horrifies us. Because, if I’d spotted a friendly, handsome young man in the university car park, one arm in plaster, dropping all his books, I’d have helped him too.

[@prettypuff1]

Special how? Tes Bundy’s behavior wasn’t smart. He knew people couldn’t imagine a white guy could do this to other white people. That’s why people are so mad. Now you actually have to embrace the security of being white is over. Why woukd I help some dude I don’t know? If women knew back then not to trust strangers, why would they trust him? He couldn’t even plan ahead for his injury he’s not competent All they knew me just met cuz he’s cute??

[@michellelambert8729]

Ted Bundy sucks so bad I actually laughed when girls didn't help him!

[@LisaPFrampton]

He also fascinates us because he accepts his most carnal, darkest self and acts out on it, without shame and without hesitation. He's as human as we can get, only the most vile, carnal, perverted, twisted and darkest form that a human can take. Because it's natural. Unbridled and unashamed human nature.

[@valb9963]

He was an empty hole that was demon possessed, highly manipulative and evil. I feel nothing but distain for his memory. I am grateful that he didn't come to my university because I fit the profile and was naive. No excuse for his kind

[@TammyM36]

Spot on!!well said & I agree! Ted was definitely special. Without question

[@peterlightning9235]

Ted Bundy was pretty criminally sophisticated for the time. And he was cunning. But, there's no way he'd be able to get away with a fraction of the things he did nowadays.

[@odin1313]

Barack Obama got away with murdering thousands of pakistani farmers.

[@Anothet4]

I hope you're right.

[@sea_9002]

Peter Lightning nah, it’s definitely possible. There was a man in Delphi two years ago who was dumb enough to be recorded before he murdered two girls and he still hasn’t been apprehended. I’m sure he will be, but that’s just one example of a sloppy ass killer who nearly got away with what he did. Criminals just learn from other criminals by seeing how they got caught and adjusting their methods accordingly.

[@Crazywaffle5150]

He was an idiot.

[@missesmew]

No problem for a truck driver to still get away with it. What about cops themselves? Pretty sure the human brain is still relatively as fucked as it’s always been cept now their gonna have to be smarter. Urges will always be. Kemper ( my favourite) walked right out brilliantly passing the tests a changed man after acing gram and gramps. People are smart

[@msmithrandir561]

Excellent presentation, very spot on about Bundy. I have been studying him since 1985. Glad I found this channel. Also, the thing that bothers me is people know who he is, but no one seems to think about the victims. I can name every girl when I see their pictures, which states the were from and specifics about how they were taken. I can't imagine their last hours. Thank you Dr for this speculation.

[@azoutlaw7]

Bless your heart.

[@briankennedy1192]

Melissa Smith God bless darling girl.

[@AndreasDivus1]

"I would say not escaping would be really high on their list of goals..." That was dead-pan comedy gold! Intentional or not, it really made me laugh hard!

[@STYLESBYLIFEBEAUTYNMORE]

Facts

[@andreaturnquist4855]

I found it really funny too!!

[@mariebernier3076]

The greatest. Laughed in the shower, the dumb simplicity of it was glaring.

[@geminikb]

Me too. Dr Grande is funny as hell. I just listened to his videos about Trisha Paytus’ DID, and boy does he throw some deadpan shade her way.

[@jmchez]

"You had ONE job!"

[@JDoe001]

What he meant by Bundy’s eyes “turning blue to black” was how wide his pupils got. Peoples’ pupils dilate when they see things they’re interested in, or what they desire. As he spoke of his crimes, he “saw” them in his mind. His eyes were affected by his reliving them.

[@Albert-enstein1]

𝐉𝐄𝐒𝐔𝐒 𝐋𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐒𝐨 𝐌𝐮𝐜𝐡 ✝️

[@gabe-po9yi]

He definitely had a type in mind. One of the college students he picked up whom he was apparently going to attack expressed disappointment that she had cut her hair. As a result, he delivered her safely to her destination.

[@paohaqui]

Yes, and was based on the ex girlfriend who rejected him.

[@sarahholland2600]

They all looked like the middle class wealthy girl who rejected him aged 17. Years later when he had a good job etc he looked her up & she asked him out. He made a point of rejecting her. She's in the latest documentary.

[@gabe-po9yi]

@@sarahholland2600 I’ll have to find the documentary; I’ve never seen her or knew she ever spoke of him.

[@dingfeldersmurfalot4560]

This is something that startled me about this video. I've seen pictures of his victims and they largely follow what has been pointed out about him numerous times -- that he tended to go for women with a very particular look.

[@ladybaabaa3294]

Many serial killers have a "type". Because the killings are based on sexual arousal, they kind of need to find their victims attractive. Whenever I'd read about serial killers in my late teens (I found their inner workings very interesting), I decided if ever there was a serial killer around, I'd look for their type, and then make sure I looked absolutely nothing like it.

[@kackotopi]

This is seriously my new favorite YT-channel. I've watched like 10+ videos of yours, just today.

[@lisafanucchi5939]

Kackotopi m3 me too!!!

[@loadapish]

Have u watched jimcantswim jcs? He does the same kind of vids

[@kackotopi]

@@loadapish I will check him out, thanks for the tip!

[@Onatakosha]

I liked that you were sure to add that you cant be diagnosing someone unless you are around them for a significant time. ~

[@zoewynne8433]

That is a very helpful piece of information that rarely makes it into youtube videos - that there must be personal time spent with someone and a requisite number of hours. I also appreciate the concentration on what people may have observed; this is an art not only a science.

[@definitiveentertainment1658]

Zoe Wynne This view may be losing some popularity with the advent of telemedicine..more and more clients are switching to “Skype Therapy”. Until someone publishes a study showing significantly lower efficacy and reliability, (and maybe even then,) this trend will only grow. I cringe to think about it.

[@definitiveentertainment1658]

Summer Rose Yeah it’s part of the ‘telemedicine’ fad we’re seeing more and more of. On one hand, not everyone can leave their house due to disability, and others find the social stigma of going into a psychologists office too much. I understand this. But on the other hand, I shudder to think of how society’s misconceptions about mental health/social trends will transform therapy. There are IPhone apps that hire LPC’s still In/fresh out of school, to have chat room sessions/ Skype Sessions with their subscribers. And the subscribers use it in place of face-to-face therapy. So you’ve got IPhone app developers acting as pseudo case managers, and employing counselors this way.. It just feels like muddying up an already misunderstood discipline in my eyes. The most popular is called “Better Help” if you want to learn more. I’ve got a lot to say about this trend obviously so don’t get me started haha

[@carlosmatos9848]

Sure, but I think we can all agree that he was a real jerk.

[@nutmegmacadamia6730]

This is why self diagnoses should be taken more seriously by professionals.

[@HK-mw1ym]

My dad could be quite abusive when I was younger. Once when he went to hit me I saw his eyes go black (obviously pupils dilating). Was really scary and have never forgotten it.

[@jesswnukow]

My father's eyes would change as well.

[@KarenWelling-m1h]

The Bible says we war not against flesh and blood but principalities of darkness.

[@mrtk-ph5sy]

Probably he hit on your brain that day, jk but there's nothing like look him in the eyes or smthing it doesn't change that drastically it's just how it is these body language gurus are mostly shit there's only so much so u can get from it and yeah as some with the charm of Ted I don't think it's hard to fake it

[@chopsedumacation8640]

I appreciate your appraisal that Ted Bundy wasn't too extraordinary as far as serial killers go. I have had quite a few discussions over the years with a lot of folks who believed he did have "ultra human" abilities but I never thought so. Part of that may be because I'm a recovering alcoholic of 29 years and can identify with a lot of the narcissism and manipulative personality traits he had. Thanks again

[@kicknadeadcat]

Remind me not to invite you to my birthday party....... on second thought maybe you’d be a lot of fun. Lol

[@kennethiman2691]

So how about an analysis of the women who flirted with him knowing what he did.

[@cragerzz]

They dont matter in any way whatsoever. They were victims. They have stories of sadness theyre not serial killers

[@asutter6642]

@Julie Sprik I think there should be a whole video dedicated to women who are attracted to men who are clearly very dangerous and what makes them flock to men like this.

[@XaldinX]

Think that’s more from a sociological perspective rather than psychological

[@ineffablemars]

A lot of time when women are attracted to psychopaths it’s because they themselves have a personality disorder that is kind of the “opposite” of psychopathy like BPD or Histrionic.

[@ruth078]

@@XaldinX I'm currently in my second to last semester of sociology and I can assure you that's not what sociology is about. This ks definitely psychology

[@honeybee1888]

One of his female relatives reported that he surrounded her with knives while she was sleeping - he was very young - maybe 3 years old. His predeliction for violence started early.

[@guinevereinthefield176]

honey bee This would definitely lend weight to the reason behind the social rejection he experienced as a child. Can’t have been the only weird thing he did as his childhood progressed.

[@transamination]

Yeah people like this are born like it. There's no 'explanation', they just are. It's hard for any of us who are not like that to believe it, which is why people are determined to believe that it must be due to abuse in childhood etc.

[@aprilsilvers381]

Yes. Makes you wonder if it's TRUE, some people are born to kill

[@Kee2Oz]

She could have been a liar. A 3 year old doesn't know that a knife equates to a murder weapon.

[@fiveandfour]

suny123boy1 it’s in the Netflix documentary.

[@janefreeman995]

When I was a kid I could hardly wait for the weekend ski report given by the same young woman. I was a kid and kind of looked up to her. He came in thru a window I think and murdered her. It changed my world and I was terrified that he was lurking around the area.

[@memyself6360]

You dont know her name

[@cathyh2483]

Lynda Healy

[@kathleenmcconaha5608]

my parents moved us out of the Seattle area after the Lake Sam double feature be cause L looked too much like his preferred victims

[@ShouldHaveBeenAStripper]

😔 I'm sorry you had to experience that.

[@MsKK909]

“Not escaping would be high on a jail’s to-do list” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@amber40494]

Yes, LOL!

[@hollyharte7831]

Hilarious 😄

[@mauriwestmoreland5687]

And making sure none of the cells had air vents like Bundy's did. He even quit eating to lose weight to fit through it more easily.

[@akimmbo]

lot's of people miss Dr. Grande's dry wit...love watching...and listening for his witty jabs..😄

[@Gcat-ln6ok]

The description of his blue eyes turning black brought back memories of my abusive ex (Bipolar 2). I used these same words to describe the dramatic physical change as mania set in. The rage totaly transformed him into a different person, even physically. His face would contort and his crystal blue eyes would turn black. Now that i'm thinking about it I believe they did actually become more black from pupil dilation. Quite an effect. Terrifying to witness.

[@joanneblack7697]

There is a field of study known as "Pupillometry". That black effect is actually the eyes dilating wide. Eyes can dilate when someone is attracted to another, or when someone is preparing to fight or attack. I've seem it several times in martial arts classes. The first time you see it can be kind of scary.

[@joanneblack7697]

@@nattie911 That makes sense. You might see the pupils dilate in anyone who is in a rage for any reason.

[@kuricho]

I was watching an episode on ID and this killer's eyes turned black from blue when he got so angry. I couldn't believe that is possible but the female victim said that's what she saw.

[@rpskaza]

Now, that’s scary!

[@rpskaza]

@@joanneblack7697 Actually sounds like a cat’s eyes.

[@antoniomendez4589]

Eyes can go from blue to black when pupils dilate. The blue color would "disappear" as the Iris diminish in size. This would typically occur during a sympathetic surge occurring with excitation (as in a fight or flight response). If the Bud man was excited as he spoke then his eyes would appear to go from blue to black.

[@eriklarson9137]

Can brown eyes turn black too, or just blue?

[@LisaPFrampton]

When our switches from the frontal lobe to the brain running from the central, or animalistic, or instinctive part of the brain, the pupils will dilate creating the effect of "black eyes". When someone's full of rage or anger and acting out on these impulses their eyes can dilate quite dramatically and appear "demonistic".

[@john-paulsilke893]

@@LisaPFrampton pleasure typically causes dilation or expansion of pupils and anger or discomfort is often constricted. However these affects are typically brief, usually no more then a few seconds or perhaps a minute. In fact some experts in body language use this and micro expansion and constriction for interrogate purposes, (although it usually requires a high quality camera and the ability to measure, rewind and playback slowly such videos).

[@oldfogey4679]

Saw an interview with his younger brother felt badly for the man! He's had a hard time being related to a serial killer!

[@rapunzelmane9592]

Ted Bundy's "eyes went from blue to black" could be true, as when one is excited or sexually aroused the pupils enlarge and make the eyes appear darker as a result.

[@slundgr]

On Criminal Minds, they talk about a serial killer getting sexually aroused when they kill someone and they feel the tension build up and have to have a release that they get by killing someone. They also get sexually aroused when looking at their victims or the pictures of the victims and their handiwork. I don't know how much of that is rooted in science, but I do wonder if it is not valid.

[@desertrose00]

@@slundgr psychopaths getting aroused from causing pain is true. people who follow a BDSM lifestyle also get sexually aroused from pain to self or others.

[@pennykent5687]

@@desertrose00 Wow! That's kind of what I thought too.

[@pennykent5687]

@@slundgr Yeah, I agree. The good doctor here probably won't agree with me, and I really didn't want to say it but... The Director of Nurses at my dad's Nursing Home, with whom I'd had LOTS OF UGLY RUN INS WITH (she stalked me, bullied me, lied about me, smear campaigned me, public humiliated, got flying Monkeys on me, etc., etc. -Because I reported on numerous abuses to my dad and others).... But one day I looked at her and... Her eyes were black!!!! She was really on a high of some sort. I don't know much more than that because her look and the energy from her scared me so much... I had to look away. -I found out she was x military, and gay, -not saying that gay people and all military people have a propensity to this kind of thing.... But the attack and unrelentless focus she seemed to put on me..... really made me SO uncomfortable!!! Like I was being stalked and hunted like an animal by her, every day !(I moved into my dad's room with him, -to take care of him, as they WERE NOT taking care of him much at all).

[@katemcl1124]

Well, I saw my narc-ex’s eyes change colour and even noted it in my diary at the time. We’d had a negative / emotional conversation about his behaviour and I asked him to leave. His eyes changing made him look like he was possessed (although I don’t believe in such things). I didn’t know about narcissism at the time but since leaving my ex and researching the disorder, I have read many counts of people experiencing ‘the black eyes of a narcissist’. It must be something to do with the eyes dilating for some reason.

[@njowens3479]

Hi , My name is Reo, I am a licensed therapist in northern Ca, I really enjoy your channel, Keep up the great work.

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[@farmgal77]

Whenever I see footage of him he always strikes me as being very pleased with himself, even when he talks with a smidgeon of remorse, it's almost as if he's in awe of his own cleverness at having got away with so many murders. Plus, he doesn't look like your typical bogeyman...I wouldn't call him handsome, personally, but y'know ... I always thought he looked like a bit of a slimeball.

[@jc10907Sealy]

Narcissistic smirk 😏

[@jviarruel]

Arrogance

[@whatreallymatters571]

Exactly. I agree 100% every picture where people say he looks charming comes off as creepy and slimy. One look not even knowing him would give me the creeps. How people were defending him back then, beats the heck outta me.

[@dianacassinelli3600]

farmgal77 he was a slimeball

[@deaberos4157]

His eyes were too close together

[@morgellon7877]

The Amazon series Falling For a Killer was the best and most interesting documentary I've seen on Ted Bundy. The one thing I find most interesting and unsettling about him is the strange phenomena described by those who knew him. One man-- a police officer in Florida, if I'm not mistaken-- described a very unpleasant feeling when he met Bundy, a feeling of "frustration and doom", which he said from then on became an indicator that someone in his presence was a murderer. Bundy's longtime girlfriend described his eyes appearing strange and "close together" the night of the Lake Sammamish murders. His lawyer described him suddenly becoming "dark" in appearance when he discussed his murders with her. In another documentary, the reporter who interviewed him described a strange white line that would appear across his face when he was talking in 3rd person about the murders. I personally don't think it's paranormal, but I have experienced similar pscyhic phenomena as that described, particularly the sense of frustration and doom around someone who had killed someone; I do believe there must be a scientific explanation, maybe simply the transmission and reception of extremely low frequency brainwaves from one person to another. But I also believe that the other people experienced what they described in his presence; it actually makes me wonder if maybe he was possessed by a demon, and I'm a very skeptical person who thinks there must be a scientific explanation for everything, and I ordinarily do not entertain the notion of demons. There has been speculation Bundy's grandfather was actually his father. It makes me wonder if such an extreme and peculiar epigenetic and genetic trauma could influence someone to become a killer, like some kind of genetic malfunction like DNA gone haywire and attempting to short-circuit itself.

[@ShouldHaveBeenAStripper]

I loved reading your comment. (Random statement, I know, but I enjoyed your knowledge❤)

[@mrtk-ph5sy]

Just one thing alot of those vibes and feeling were nothing but Just pure bs u can't consider it in any analysis, the fact that ppl say oh his eyes are like life less or smthing is nothing but bs, they pointed it out cuz they knew what he did and they feel that fear in there guts that all

[@melaniereisner8375]

I saw a movie with Mark Harmon portraying Ted Bundy. I was very young, but it has stayed with me my entire life. I started out to become a clinical psychologist and neded up as an RN in psychiatry. I am always amazed how personable a narcissist or psychopath can be..

[@debbielockhart7762]

It was The Deliberate Stranger based on the book The Stranger Beside Me by true crime author Anne Rule (who had worked with Ted volunteering at a suicide hotline). I saw it when it was first on TV in the 80s (I was also a kid at the time).

[@jhart1127]

It was the perfect storm. Genetics, abuse at a young age, bullied, the trauma surrounding his sister/mother.

[@santiagoarce5672]

I thought he had quite a good upbringing. Maybe even average. Lots of people are bullied, too. I don't think he necessarily was a perfect storm, but you don't really need a perfect storm to get a serial killer.

[@ziledevara1]

The first years of his life were spent around a violent grandfather. And as normal as his life was after his mother got married, he became aware that he had been the shame of the family, the illegitimate child which back then was considered the most shameful thing.

[@gukaizhi]

I think what made Ted Bundy so "special" is the fact that he had charisma. He was good-looking, educated, smiling: all together charming handsome necrophiliac psychopath.

[@toothyfangface1583]

Is he really that handsome? I've always heard women say that. I mean, he looks like a regular guy, not a ladykiller like he's always described

[@toothyfangface1583]

@Brian Jones I just saw the Netflix on Bundy. Ok, how Bundy fools everyone is beyond me. He talks and talks and supposedly looks clean cut and 'handsome' but he has 0 substance. He talks a lot and says nothing. He reminds me of an ex brother in law. Bundy really was a vampire and he is not impressive at all. He is such a fake and narcissicist

[@danielfisch389]

"He had been a liar from the beginning to the end" (Ann Rule)

[@Blanca-4444]

@@toothyfangface1583 What you describe sounds like word salads, which narcissist use to manipulate and confuse. I really dislike narcissists cause my ex was one, and Bundy reminds me of him. Handsome, superficial charm, but 0 empathy. They are good at acting but when you see through their charade, they get violent. They can't stand not being able to fool you, makes them feel stupid instead of the mastermind they think they are. To me, Bundy is not impressive either, these people work hard to deceive others and to portray an image but they are empty inside. Their own ability to be fake helps them to fool others, but it's like a natural thing to narcs, so I don't think they are geniuses, they are just good at that, even then, they can't fool everybody.

[@toothyfangface1583]

@@Blanca-4444 Bundy reminds me of an ex brother in law. My ex brother in law now charges people to listen to his guidance as a 'spiritual' teacher. It is sickening and ex bro in law talks and talks and talks and says nothing. Can never get a straight answer from him and Bundy does the same. Playing a game, draining everyone around them, and is only self interested. It is so obvious to me, as well as yourself, but Bundy is such a fraud and his punishment was justified. Apparently he got really scared when he knew his time was up. He can kill women but when it was his turn? He didn't want it

[@fellspoint9364]

I think Ted did indeed exploit the zeitgeist of the 1970’s. It was a much more permissive time and a guy like him could easily have flown under the radar. I also agree that he held no specific mystique other than being an improvisational con man.

[@teamcougars]

You might enjoy Ann Rule’s book she knew Bundy before he was a known killer. If I recall the book is called the stranger beside me, she was a cop for years before she became a writer.

[@Julessteenbergen]

teamcougars it’s a really good book which is absolutely not glamorizing the situation at all, thank god

[@Julessteenbergen]

Dave Bronstein i read it too and agree with you.

[@Cryptonymicus]

Rule and Bundy worked side by side at some hotline one summer.

[@ThirstyEye]

They worked at a suicide hotline together for some time. She said there were occasions where she showed up and Ted was taking a nap with the phone ringer turned off!

[@Muirmaiden]

Ann Rule also updated the book a few times (the last time was in 2008) and shared more information (and shared stories of women who managed to escape from him).

[@Julie-7605]

Blue to black eyes. Probably his eyes became extremely dialated when talking about his crimes because he was aroused.

[@Cat-tastrophee]

I thought the same thing. Most people think David Bowie had two different-colored eyes, but really one pupil was unable to constrict (anisocoria), giving him the appearance of one dark eye but really the irises were the same color. It makes sense then that Bundy's eyes would look dramatically darker if he was either sexually aroused or angry.

[@citykani6287]

Yes. Also, he could metaphorically mean that first he was this innocent puppy leaning forwards with innocent looks and clear blue eyes. In an instant he became leaning backwards with a grim look on his face and looking below the brows with black eyes.

[@natashaapplegate2075]

Came here to say this! 🙌

[@uggggggghhhhh]

wow its almost like the top comment is exactly this!

[@lavonnealexander6936]

@Sam lmao 😂

[@Yevdokiya]

"If you're in a meeting at a jail, you would think they would talk about people not escaping. That seems to be a really central concept to what a jail does. As a matter of fact, it's hard to think of many other important tasks that they really do." I don't know if you meant to be funny, but this dry utterance makes me laugh out loud! You would think... great videos btw.

[@kirstenbakker839]

I like to think it was his serious analysis.

[@leahd4170]

I think it was hilarious too and definitely his delivery did it. Also, would like to know who he thinks is the most unique serial killer and why

[@dingfeldersmurfalot4560]

They do have to feed them too, but those microwave burritos aren't exactly gourmet ..

[@Tom_Tom_Klondike]

Really though, 17 hours before you notice he's gone? What about food and water? You put food through the door and you don't even peak?

[@jenniferhill5375]

I must be really bored to listen about Ted Bundy! But, I like Dr Grande’s voice, etc.

[@shellyshannon5226]

I always looked at Ted Bundy as a person who despite any mental incapacity still knew the difference between right and wrong. I believe most of the time he would create a rouse to entrap his victims. I think the fact he could avoid capture became his motivating factor to move around freely. I think this was a huge reason he thought he was special. In documentaries I saw when he was in prison, he was always bragging about the fact he thought he was the best serial killer out there offering his services to help law enforcement deal with other serial killers. He was primarily a legend in his own mind.

[@Tymbus]

"The pupil can change size with certain emotions, thus changing the iris color dispersion and the eye color. You've probably heard people say your eyes change color when you're angry, and that probably is true." (source: Fort Lauderdale Eye Institute)

[@dingfeldersmurfalot4560]

Well that's very cool. I never suspected.

[@ladybaabaa3294]

Yep. The more the pupil dilates, the darker the eye will be as there will be more black pupil and less coloured iris. Like, David Bowie and other people who appear to have two different coloured eyes? They don't. The darker eye just has a permanently dilated pupil, making the eye seem darker.

[@MimimiMcArthur]

@@ladybaabaa3294 that’s not true at all. Different eye colors are caused by differing amounts of melanin in the eyes. More = brown less = blue. Under our brown eyes are blue eyes the melanin just needs to be destroyed.

[@Girl-101]

Yeah my eyes once went black when I went absolutely nuts at somebody once! The person I went nuts at deserved me going nuts, and I calmed down after it, but I was told my eyes went from brown to jet black!

[@baby_snaps]

can eyes go near black in color? i heard someone say in a documentary, "his eyes were black and cold."

[@smpotts173]

Im from Seattle and turned 21 in 1974. I had long hair, parted in the middle, everyone did. It was also dark. I spent a lot of time in the University District, including having a part-time job in a clothing shop on the main drag. The owner was very cool and didn't care if the Black Panthers sold their paper on the sidewalk outside her store. Id hang around outside on my breaks to get some fresh air, and got to know them pretty well. They did not deserve the their rep. They provided community service and developed a free milk program and augmented school lunches..... I started taking a stack of papers every so often to sell. I'm white, and let's just say, although Seattle is known for being progressive, it practiced segregation. I had this crumpled bag where I put money from paper sales . My parents were divorced , and I lived with my mom. Imagine her response when she found a bag pretty full of change, bills, and a few copies of the Panther Paper I'd saved in my room. I got home about midnight that night, and she was waiting outside. She was whisper yelling the whole way in the house . She was an FDR liberal, and she actually collapsed on the couch from relief when I told her I was selling newspapers for the Black Panthers, instead of running numbers for a bookie jount.....which was what she'd come up with while waiting. I kind of liked the thought. All she said was, "Do not EVER go anywhere in a car with those fellas." They probably did have guns. Anyway. This is a hard memory. A very good friend since Jr. High was one of Bundy's victims. I was at her house five days before she disappeared. As young women kept disappearing that looked just like me, I cut my hair and left for Hawaii with 2 girlfriend's. I returned in late June, and July 5th, I got the paper from the front porch with a headline about the 2 missing young women who wemt missing from Lake Sammamish the day before. I read quickly and they did not know each other. My heart sank. The next day their pictures were in the paper, and I recognized one , who lived in the next block, and would smile or wave since Id often pass by in my car.She'd only lived there a short time. Ann Rule, who was s famous true crime writer, and wrote about Bundy, lived about 3 minutes from us. Here house was in s very nice, but low key area. Woodsy, gated street. with obscured, but large monitors. Her house was way down the side of s bluff surrounded by Puget Sound, with only access an elevator requiring a code. She also had 4 Dobermans

[@merilupa9942]

Nice to hear your account of that time. Thanx for sharing.

[@taticatnineland]

…cool story, bro? 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@katarina1852]

Very interesting to hear about your close proximity to Ted Bundy’s criminal activity, also very scary. Thank you for sharing this. So sorry your friend was one of his victims.😥

[@BariumCobaltNitrog3n]

I grew up in Berkeley and for a while, it turned out, the Zodiac killer liked to roam around there. About a week after sleeping over at a friend's house down the street, the Zodiac killed someone on the same block as my friend. For fun, we were 12 at the time, we walked/ran around the block in our underwear, unaware we were being watched by a serial killer. Two years later, Patty Hearst was arrested a few blocks away.

[@bonnieabrs1003]

Ann Rule worked with Ted at night at the crisis hotline suicide prevention center. He walked her to her car so she’d be safe.

[@paperchain1239]

I personally think it was a complete ego trip with Bundy, almost like acting some theatrical role.

[@k_a_y_l_e_e]

i get that too. it was like he was playing the role of someone waaaaaaay more important than he was. the fact that he represented himself in court genuinely thinking no one better was available for the job, that really drives the point home for me.

[@reylime2991]

I find that people that do evil things are very delusional. The think their entire life is a fantasy. They think they’re chosen ones therefore they do whatever they want

[@hw5091]

no. I think during teds last interview, he was being honest. At least to the best of his knowledge about himself. He was so fucked up, and couldn't stop it, and was incapable of getting help due to how it would look to him, and his wanting to fit in and a be big player in whatever he did.

[@hw5091]

@@Lucy-cl2qk Are you stating I said it was justified? Because I'm not seeing that in my comment. do yourself a favor and read again.

[@Roseofsharon99]

Great analysis, as always! There’s one thing that no one discusses and know little about and that is who was his biological father. He may be the missing link to why Bundy was who he was.

[@joobular]

The comment in the documentary about Bundy's eyes turning from blue to black I believe was referring to pupil dilation. I found that journalist's observation really interesting because pupil dilation is a sign of sympathetic arousal. It suggests that recounting his killings excited him in a way that normally occurs when we talk about something thrilling or someone we love.

[@shaynelahmed6323]

Meaning he "loved" or "enjoyed" his handiwork... Ugh!

[@catherinevaz6139]

Some drugs do that too ( LSD, coke, etc... ). But that’s not the subject, lol

[@louise-yo7kz]

@joobular, exactly. His pupils were fully dilated.

[@mikki3961]

The public was fascinated by him because he was charming, handsome, articulate. He was a studying to be lawyer, he volunteered on a suicide helpline with true crime author Ann Rule. She said she had thought of him as a friend, kind caring, trustworthy. Definitely the 1970's with all its limitations helped him.

[@RYMAN1321]

Exactly. And there were no cameras, no DNA, and forensics weren’t what they are today.

[@unicorngirl1901]

Hmmm he helping on a suicide helpline is so ironic

[@heatherjones1807]

I remember listening to an interview on the radio with Ted Bundy right before he was to be executed. The interviewer asked him "what can women do to stay safe?" He answered: park in well lit and don't park to far away from doors in large parking lots" Don't walk between cars. (All fairly common sense things). He also said that because of the new found freedoms that women had in the 1970's made them more of a target - walking alone, living alone etc. I always remembered his advice and i pass it on to other females. Also read the book "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin DeBecker.

[@kirstenbakker839]

In Germany, it is very common that the well lit parking spots closest to the doors are marked as 'womens parking' (Frauenparkplatz). For this very reason. I've also seen this concept in other countries a few times.

[@LegalTyranny]

@@kirstenbakker839 Germans need to throw off the shackles of being governed by USA controlled puppeteers. I know things are different after WWII but the USA never offered a peace treaty and your country is now intentionally being flooded with foreigner's to complete the Coudenhove-Kaergi plan (Something actually written and warned about by the German NSDAP. Don't bother with responding. If you're aware of these truths doing so could get you in trouble since the you know who's have a lock on freedom of speech there since they won the war, and if you're not aware of these truths, well, the brainwashing has been extra heavy there because the resistance to the NWO started there.). It's a fact that foreigner's are more likely to rape and attack the locals. The Swedish statistics on the rapes of their women since opening the floodgates is despicable. The Judeo-Masonic controlled politicians have to go.

[@debbiecharles7912]

The Gift of Fear is an excellent book! Fascinating, eye opening and a page turner 💜

[@Victoria-bq2oz]

Yup. But some people don't follow or don't like to get told on what common sense is. I have a teacher who is a psychologist if I'm not mistaken, knows about public security criminology and works for private security -he told us that if we are always aware of our surroundings, nothing will happen to us. No matter where we are. I don't know how to word it better but just follow your common sense

[@msangie724]

he also mentioned that he could quickly tell by the way a woman walked if they would be a good victim.. i think the video is on yt i just cant think of the title rn

[@d-marierasberry3449]

Anyone who is interested in learning more about Bundy, should read "The Stranger Beside Me" written by Anne Rule(famous author of true crime who worked beside Ted at a suicide prevention hot line). She is/was my favorite true crime author during the 70's-80's. Believe she wrote the very famous book "Small Sacrifices". Thanks for your info Dr. G! There was a rumor that Bundy inquired about which state imposed the death penalty and was told Florida, indicating that he wanted to be stopped.(?) I was in college when he was active...it was very scary time.

[@rucianapollard7098]

I have read that book and it was very informative. Makes you wonder how someone can be kind and compassionat on the outside, but wicked and devious on the inside.

[@maymuna8022]

​@@rucianapollard7098 Book name plz

[@stephenbrand5661]

The fact that he escaped police custody twice and just kept on killing is what makes him such a legendary type of figure, that and the fact that he was able to commit so many murders without leaving much in the way of (pre-DNA) evidence.

[@louise-yo7kz]

"I don't see him as that special. " Exactly. You're on the money Dr. G

[@musicmixesforyourheartsoul4129]

Yeah killing 30+ people is totally normal, everyone does that. Not special at all. You make sense. Santa Claus is real too! :-)

[@jeffshackelford539]

Especially horrible.

[@musicmixesforyourheartsoul4129]

@@jeffshackelford539 Special is special so they were both making no sense.

[@musicmixesforyourheartsoul4129]

@@hahmann Nobody in this thread said one word about neither being clever or being charming, we all commented on being special or not.

[@musicmixesforyourheartsoul4129]

@@jonsprong1842 This thread is obviously about whether Ted was special or not, so your comment "he conned women out of their lives" has no relevans whatsoever. And murdering women is not to "con" them. So also your non-related comment makes no sense! 'Con' definition: persuade (someone) to do or believe something. Him KILLING a woman is not her being conned out of her life. Pretending to be wounded and needing help is not murder. You don't die from a con. You die from a crowbar hitting your skull. The women died, because he killed them. Whether he conned them to do something first has no relation.

[@erust9465]

Excellent observations! I agree that Bundy wasn’t “special” Bundys success if you will was a perfect storm of no real scientific tools in forensics as we have today. The detectives did EVERYTHING by hand and on foot. Record keeping was in file cabinets. Research was TIME consuming! As you stated NO computer technology and all the communication advantages of that. No social media, radio, tv had 4 main stations and maybe 5 smaller channels. FOUR! Tv was off the air at 2AM period. White fuzz. No cell phones yet for YEARS! Socially teens were way more independent than now. Even young kids would check in with Mom and would be out with friends unsupervised ALL DAY. At least till lunch and dinner. Then weather permitting you’d be out till the street lights came on! Teens weren’t home online. There was tons of social things to do and places to go, like teen “clubs” or club nights no booze, music n dancing. We had to be social outside the home! Can’t picture it...watch the movie IT or read any S. King book. We walked and road bikes for miles! Hitchhiking was more common in some areas more than others. I’m from the Midwest and there wasn’t much unless you were rural. California n the west coast it was huge! Drugs were readily available same as today. Pot was the thing, not hardcore drugs like now. NO BODY wanted to be a junkie! Socially unacceptable! There was a a closer bond with teens because of the social differences, we all listened to the same music and watched the same shows on TV. We had being teens in common, more scattered today. How do I know? Born in 1962. High school 76-80. Bundy was active then and I watched the trial on tv. Been fascinated ever since! It was the first televised trial! So all of the above going on, drop a charming, decent looking out going clean cut guy...who just happens to be a sexual sadist and psychopathic PREDATOR and he can move on quicker than anyone notices. And he did. At the time police believed killers didn’t migrate far from their him base! He was no different than a big game hunter following a migratory herd. He was educated and manipulative, not necessarily highly intelligent. His longtime girlfriend never reported depression or mania, so I don’t think BP was an issues. He DID commit crimes from childhood from stealing to animal abuse. He just didn’t get CAUGHT! And let me remind you the 70-80s was serial rapist killer hey day! I can think of so many operating during these times! Besides Bundy, Hillside Stranglers, BTK,Green River killer, Night Stalker, Gacy, Dahmer, Brudos, Son of Sam, The Co Ed killer Kemp... on and on. That’s just in the US! The 60-80 were the perfect days to commit crime and elude capture. One not caught yet is the Zodiac! More naive times due to lack of media, socially much more freedom and no real sophisticated forensics tool made Bundy look special. The jails he escaped from were NOT the super max prisons. They were old antiquated jails. He was observant and clever. Notice he never escaped the max security prison in Florida, once they figured out who he was! So from a girl who grew up in these times it was most of our opinions what made him DIFFERENT (not special) was the sheer audacity he had! He defended himself on TV... and made an ass of himself! Then got death! The nation was riveted....but then there was only a few channels to change to lol! I look forward to seeing your other videos!

[@dingfeldersmurfalot4560]

You are the same age as I am and it was just as I describe it! I even answered a question about what was different in the 70s on the Quora forums and said a lot of the same things you did. Man was that biking fun. I biked everywhere. Kept us in great shape and healthy as horses! There are some videos here on this site showing people's super-great grandmas and grandpas and such from that time and before, and it's amazing how different the world was then.

[@erust9465]

@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 it really was!

[@andrewmantle7627]

And if you recall, he was caught and arrested several times before the last one.

[@smpotts173]

E Rust THANK YOU! What an impressive synopsis on Bundy and the impact of life at that time! I grew up and still live in Seattle. I live less than15 minutes from where Gary Ridgway hunted and killed, at least 100 women, close to a majority of which were 16 or under, which in Washington, makes him a child killer. For many reasons, I think it is highly possible he could have had an accomplice, or help a few times. I am also CERTAIN, some people knew much more from EARLY on, than they were telling. I believe the video, "My Uncle was the Green River Killer," is still available to stream on Amazon. Rent it and watch it, watch it a couple of times and tell me what you see they cleverly circumvented. I was 20 when I picked the Sunday paper from the front porch on a sunny, July morning in 1974, and saw 2 girls had disappeared from a crowded event at a state park the day before. I had just returned after spending 4 months in Hawaii with girlfriends. I left because I fit his type and one of my good friends was one of his victims. The next day on the news, I saw the victims photos, and one of the young women had lived for about a year on the next corner. I had started to give her a quick wave if she was outside when I passed in my car. However, I feel strongly he had concurrent Bipolar Disorder. Even when floridly manic, it is surprising how even those close don't see it. Especially back then. His girlfriend almost didn't report him, even though his name, face, car, matched, along with finding cast-making materials. They way he openly took huge, unnecessary risks that day is a common symptom.

[@smpotts173]

@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 If you and E Rust like reading about serial killers, there is a fabulous book called "A Devil in the White City" its been out several years and I would classify it as actual literature. It alternates every other chapter and blends the account of building the World's Fair grounds in Chicago 1901. It had the first Ferris Wneel, which was enormous and held a couple of thousand people, or more. There was also one of THE most diabolical, sadistic, serial killer, conmen , I have EVER heard of, WAY BEYOND BUNDY. Young women were flooding to Chicago from all over the country to work at the fair, this killer had a,lot of victims to choose from, ànd letter writing was how parents an daughters communicated, it was easy for a young woman to disappear. The level of con artistry was unbelievabble.He scammed money from everywhere, and managed to have different people build a building in stages, so nobody knew the whole building. He had a gas chamber built that seemed like a regular office, but was sealed and he would have women wait there for interviews, then watch through a glass portal while they panicked, screamed and eventually died. This was in the middle of the city and nobody knew.

[@nancynaporano684]

He was a chameleon'; college, jobs, Senator's interest, lawyer prospects, a girlfriend, family that loved him. He was no Manson, John Gacy, Ramirez, just from a different class. He doesn't have a fan club, the interest is in what we can learn and also trying to understand what made him tick so to speak. We do find it fascinating that we can be so fooled by the mask. I am so happy you mentioned his rage. He never admitted to it and I believe when he found out his Mom wasn't his real Mom, he felt lied to and deceived, but maybe enraged. I don't believe he was impulsive, but methodical, organized like you said. He was like a patient cat with a plan on the prowl. You did a good job on this one. Still so much to learn...

[@steppy3736]

Bundy was the "idyllic man" - handsome, charming, charismatic, intelligent- all things women are taught to seek in a "good guy". The 70s were the epitome of the stranger "always" looking like the proverbial bad guy - unkempt, rude, dirty, etc. He was attractive enough to get noticed by women, but not so attractive that he stood out in every crowd. According to Ann Rule, he could be very charming, very disarming, etc. Not to mention, VICAP hadn't been created yet, PD didn't have the capabilities [they do now] to share information quickly and efficiently with other jurisdictions. Bundy traveled a lot which kept police from truly understanding the total number of victims and his MO. Plus, back then OCME had different requirements. Anyone could have been a coroner, there wasn't the specialized training in forensic pathology that is required now. Bundy was active in a time that was just right for his particular crimes.

[@RYMAN1321]

And there was also no DNA testing either.

[@larryrobertson2150]

That and he was smart enough to '' work '' in different jurisdictions. and really a lot of luck in not being identified. His own girlfriend gave the police enough information on him to make him a person of interest and they did nothing , no follow up on him at all.

[@lizabetke624]

Yeah, he didnt look like a boogy man. But.... he didnt use his 'charm' to attract his victims. He broke in their rooms while they were sleeping, he used some excuse to get them to help him. He is always presented als this handsome guy, as if this is why he was able to make so many victims.

[@lizabetke624]

@PinkQuartz069 no he didnt. He broke into their bedrooms. He attacked them while they were sleeping. He pretended to have a broken arm to make them help him. He didnt lure anyone.

[@steppy3736]

@Umb O your point is what? I was pointing out that in the 70s and 80s women were literally taught beware the shaggy haired stranger. So when a clean cut guy, who was articulate, (like Bundy) asked for "help" he was able to lure them to within reach. He could certainly turn on the charm for the few minutes it took to get close to these women. It's the moment of initial contact that was important, not your idea of success.

[@householdone7559]

People seeing people differently is not hugely uncommon though. Some people are really sensitive to others' character traits, others are not. When someone says "ooh i dont trust that person", someone else might say "he seemed ok to me"

[@maryannebphillips9124]

The people who claim Bundy is special or whatever are journalists who dredge him up to make a quick buck and need a new angle.

[@reylime2991]

Honestly next time someone says they have a ‘bad vibe’ about someone, i’ve learnt that it’s usually worth investigating.

[@kynathomas4809]

@@reylime2991 Absolutely!💯

[@ursodermatt8809]

@@reylime2991 how many people have you investigated?

[@lilolmejusayin8671]

Did anyone see the 60 minutes episode about the researcher who did brain scans on serial killers for research and found that they all had similar damage in one area of the brain? The researcher then, on a whim, did a scan of his own brain and found his was almost the same as theirs. He was shocked. Then why wasn’t he a serial killer? All he could surmise was that he grew up in a large Italian family that hugged each other and were positive to one another. I’ll try to find it. I’m not discounting anyone else’s experiences and information in posting this. Just found it fascinating.

[@angelwings1979]

It was Dr. James Fallon. He was doing two separate studies. One on psychopathy and schizophrenia in convicted murderers and one on Alzheimer's disease. They were double blind studies so he had no idea that the scans he had that showed clear evidence of psychopathy were his own. It's actually quite fascinating to hear him talk about it.

[@reggiejames1986]

What's the link

[@JonDoe-uq1mk]

I think it was underdevelopment not brain damage.

[@therenegadepianotechnician5170]

I had been badly abused as a child. I could have gone in a really bad direction. The help I sought for my suffering steered me in a very kind and compassionate direction.

[@lindamuncy6308]

“People not escaping”. 😂😂 I love your dry sense of humor especially when talking about such a gruesome topic. I have read lots of books about Ted Bundy and I throughly enjoyed your video.

[@amandasmith3504]

I really appreciated what Dr. Grande had to say about the 70's being an important part of the context in which we understand Ted Bundy. I also appreciated the point about Ted Bundy being the first to be described as a "serial killer". After all he was certainly not the first one, but he definitely had an effect on the zeitgeist.

[@Shannonbarnesdr1]

well john wayne gacy was a serial killer from same era

[@garymaidman625]

As an historian, a mistake I often find is people who look at events in the past through the lens of today. Context is a huge factor in history.

[@annwethenorth]

His trial was also the first televised trial. There's many factors. I think Ted was the first one referred to in the media as a serial killer.

[@annwethenorth]

@@garymaidman625 oh completely. You can't put this case in today's mindset. Many historical facts in play.

[@annwethenorth]

@@Shannonbarnesdr1 I think some people may consider him a genius of sorts. There's a book his lawyer wrote I'm reading. It's a really interesting story.

[@pocoeagle2]

I love the way you anticipate to the many comments and questions ❤ Thank you Dr. Grande for all your time and energy you're putting in your KZbin channel.

[@DrGrande]

You are most welcome :)

[@psychcorp4449]

I did not watch the Netflix show about Ted Bundy. I did watch the complete interview of Ted Bundy done by Dr. James Dobson. As you may know, Dr. Dobson is a licensed psychologist whom I view as a complete professional with total credibility. Ted Bundy's interview with Dr. Dobson allowed me to watch Ted Bundy's body language and the manner in which he responded to Dr. Dobson's questions. I should also mention that this interview was done 1 day before Ted Bundy's execution. What stood out for me was Ted Bundy's rationalizations and not directly answering Dr. Dobson's questions. At least in part, Bundy blamed watching violent pornography and consuming alcohol for his actions. I don't think we will ever know what exactly causes people to behave like Ted Bundy. Thankfully, they are rare. As always, thank you for your analysis and discussion. Stay safe and be well.

[@gloriamontgomery6900]

Yes! Anything but admit that he was responsible

[@gcrav]

Dobson was vomit-worthy for kissing up to Bundy for the sole reason that Bundy was pumping up Dobson's anti-porn agenda. It was not an incisive or insightful interview, just a couple of agenda-driven manipulators scratching each other's backs. And that's the polite way to put it.

[@aaronfrench8748]

Bundy manipulated Dobson the way he tried to manipulate everyone else...

[@valerielawrence61]

Buddy blamed his crimes on pornography. Dobson was all too ready to believe it.

[@aaronfrench8748]

@@valerielawrence61 Dobson was anti porn from the start so he was more than happy to hear it...problem was, it wasn't true.

[@elifoust7664]

In 1978,I placed Bundy in a cell at Escambia Co.Jail Pensacola, while I worked as a Correctional Officer ,he always looked entirely different ,a true change artist, he was brought in with a leg brace,he was termed a rabbit,he would not escape Fl.

[@kaljaukko5439]

Sure you did lol

[@elifoust7664]

@@kaljaukko5439 👍 true

[@Romulan2469]

@@kaljaukko5439 If it's written on YT, it has to be true right? I mean everyone on here is a self proclaimed expert.

[@erichaynes7502]

I think you did a great job of evaluating Ted Bundy by breaking down some of the major events during his crime spree. Guys like Bundy are fascinating, they say he "oozed sincerity and charm" and it's hard to picture this unless you're in a room with a person like that. I've heard psychologists say they enjoy being around psychopaths when they study them in prison, simply because these guys have such charm, tell such good stories, and make the people around them feel special..almost always so they can manipulate them later on. I've known such people and I'm lucky I can spot them before they try to victimize me. Plus, you're right about how Bundy could operate very well in the 70's, it was a different time where there were indeed hitchhikers, pickup bars, free love, drugs..especially around the colleges where he stalked most of his victims. Bundy didn't have to worry about cameras and he literally would come out from the bushes and either attack right then or ask a girl to help him load up his car..and then attack her from behind. Another plus was Bundy was practicing to be a lawyer and he was very good looking and let's face it, back then almost any young girl would fall for a guy with such a seemingly promising future. In short, Bundy took advantage of the time he was in. Remember when society lets a certain group of people be on their own, without any supervision or support, in this case young ladies right out of high school, there's always a Ted Bundy or a Charles Manson type that will step up and take advantage of them fully for evil purposes.

[@skaz777]

“everybody that looked at him saw something different in his personality” Interesting points, Dr. G.

[@johngreydanus2033]

He was the Jim Carrey of serial killers

[@danieldougan269]

I've always been fascinated by Ted Bundy, and "Mindhunter" made me aware of Edmund Kemper, who is probably even more intelligent and articulate than Bundy was. He's also fascinating. Superficially, they seem similar. Intelligent men who killed numerous people and did disgusting sexual things to the corpses they created. They also both assisted law enforcement by creating profiles and confessing to crimes. But I do think they're actually quite different. Bundy was manipulating the system to the very end. Kemper turned himself in, asked for the death penalty, refused to attend parole hearings for himself, and has expressed (at least seemingly) real remorse for his crimes. Kemper realized that the only way to put an end to his killing spree was to kill his mother. He knows he is where he belongs. Bundy escaped incarceration twice and, even when he confessed, was doing it with an ulterior motive to delay his execution. Bundy enjoyed making a mockery of the justice system and thought he was going to get away with murder when he represented himself. He refused a plea bargain that would have saved his life. Bundy had that extra trait of narcissism that Kemper probably doesn't. Bundy loved the media attention and infamy. Kemper is smart, but Bundy was a law student after earning a degree in psychology. He was more devious and killed more people.

[@danieldougan269]

@@emmaisalone That's possible, I guess. But I don't think so. This is a guy who was known by the state to have very serious mental health issues like schizophrenia way back in his teens. (He killed his grandparents.) Even though he persuaded the authorities that he was better (he obviously wasn't), they sent him back to his mother, the one person the psychiatrists told them NOT to send him back to. I would describe Kemper as "guilty but mentally ill." There's a reason he is in the California Medical Facility and not at San Quentin awaiting execution. Ted Bundy was the poster child for capital punishment. He was a gifted escape artist, and after he walked out of custody in Colorado (twice!), he went on to kill again in Florida. He made a point to tell people he wasn't crazy and that he was mostly normal. He gave interviews from behind bars that were quasi-confessions just to toy with the media and prosecutors.

[@belledriver5950]

thank you for your insightful videos and your effort, Dr. Grande. my personal theory on Bundy always was, that part of his murder spree motivation was his own inability to actually get anything done - in life, career, studies, etc. like the weirdest and most perverted form of procrastination one could imagine, because he could either put a lot of work, effort and concentration into things that would actually get him somewhere or get instant gratification by murdering people and feeling "superior" instantly. on the other hand, I have no idea how the minds of "special" psychopaths work. maybe my mind just wants to understand something that is inexplicable anyway.

[@fiberpoet6250]

As a chronic procrastinator.. this assessment cracked me up 😂😂

[@Jackie371]

@@fiberpoet6250 lol

[@Jackie371]

I think that you're on to something there. I'm sure that I've heard that they kill animals as part of some kind of dominance thing, a show of power & superiority basically. The whole thing is just sad.

[@duvessa2003]

This is an interesting theory, worth further exploration.

[@mrtk-ph5sy]

​@@Jackie371Bruh the fact that u talking about most of the ppl is what that cracks me, ni your theory is bs tbh he was more successful than most of average once and u are trying to find the reasons for absurdity it's broken already he killed cuz he felt like killing and couldn't resist but society or courts can't take this cuz guess what everything is for reasons like my ass he probably knew what he was doing and yeah probably more aware of his condition than anyone else who tries to find reasons there's nothing. The fact that most nazi soldiers and supports were normal average ppl like u and I and not some blood thrusty freak points to that direction

[@clarkewi]

Astute analysis. Bundy was also a law student. Would have fooled alot of people.

[@joanbaczek2575]

clarkewi he wasn’t doing good at school either

[@clarkewi]

I agree. They need to screen police recruits/candidates/trainees for psychological fitness for the job. Some of them are not qualified.

[@NymphetaminexXxGrrrl]

My only interest in Ted Bundy is trying to figure out why everyone else is so interested in Ted Bundy. Curiosity satisfied.

[@mr.sophistication2461]

Well, it really depends on who the person is. We all have our own interests in things.

[@jollyhunter5536]

Although ppl want to know how to recognize those who like him to avoid them ...as myself I’m afraid of unknown I want to know everything

[@akehapkap6143]

NymphetaminexXxGrrrl I find it interesting. I don't understand why they are so malicious. It makes me feel normal. At least I'd never go that far even how much I dislike some people.

[@chuckufarley7194]

Ted? Just a typical young Republican.

[@elisamastromarino7123]

@@chuckufarley7194 😂🤣😄❤

[@tjburr1968]

Wish you mentioned the little known fact that Ted found out he was a illegitimate child and who he thought was his older sister was his mother. And was raised by his grandparents and thought they were his parents. I think he found this out in his early twenties. Regardless, it's worth considering in this style of discussion.

[@cherylgreene6686]

I happen to know Ted's little brother. He is a regular guy that plays guitar in garage bands. He is really kind. Only has good memories of Ted. He loved his brother. Though they were several years apart. It was shocking for the family to learn that Ted was killing women.

[@marciabradley7660]

I was so annoyed by his last interview with James Dobson. Dobson was so gullible and ignorant because he was duped by the monster. Bundy traced his behavior back to pornography, which is a case Dobson was trying to make. I get disgusted just writing this. It angers me that after all we knew about his murderous past people acted as if he was not dangerous. Thus how he escaped so easily

[@peggypeggy4137]

Ted Bundy did that to remove himself from responsibility. "That wasn't me that caused the killing of all these young women. The Devil made me do it" sort of thing. That line also served James Dobson well. I'm sure Dobson was against pornography. "See what porn makes you do...takes away your morals...you'll become a serial killer!!

[@johnmcdonald9295]

Y is ted so famous when he only took 30 Life’s,when Samuel little a poc took 93

[@josephdockemeyer6782]

Was this the last interview where Bundy is trying to get a stay of execution? Bundy was alluding to additional details, if I remember correctly. Saw it many years ago.... I thought of it as the narcissist's attempt at pleading for his life while saving face. Also, such a manipulative son of a bitch. Sickening. Every time I ever listened to him talk I felt like bleaching my brain.

[@josephdockemeyer6782]

@@johnmcdonald9295 Sandy Gwinn?

[@marciabradley7660]

@Umb O also not in touch with his dark side.

[@davidhoffman6980]

One thing I found interesting about the Netflix special was that there was over a hundred hours of recordings, but even though it is marketed as "Ted Bundy tapes" most of the info in the episodes was from news sources and interviews. The title makes you think that you are going to get insight into his mind by listening to him talk, yet out of more than a hundred hours of him talking Netflix was only able to use maybe less than ninety minutes. And, most of the stuff he said that did make it into the show didn't offer any real insight into his motivations or tactics. One of the most famous people in modern history spoke for more than a hundred hours and barely said anything worth hearing.

[@LegalTyranny]

Not everyone is great as discerning useful information from sources.

[@trissloan2340]

I did not know that. What a shame.

[@alexradice8163]

Don't trust Netflix for quality. You can find more of what he said on KZbin and other parts of the internet

[@whitecat587]

My daughter is bipolar and when she goes into a manic phase, particularly when she has been dysphoric, her pupils have dilated to the point she looks like she has completely black eyes. We were told it has to do with adrenaline release during these times. Perhaps it was something similar happening with him when he would talk about his crimes...?

[@Lori79Butterfly]

I love you Dr. Todd Grande! Anywho, maybe we are overestimating the staff at the Jail that left him alone for 17 hours. The late Ann Rule wrote about her friendship with him when she worked beside him at a Suicide Prevention & Crisis Centre in Washington state. She said that not only did he seem to have a lot of empathy but that he was very protective of her and would walk her to her car after a shift. I was also working in Suicide Prevention & Crisis Centre at the time, in the 80s, & her book spooked all of the staff at the Crisis Centre. We had some very strange & toxic volunteers there too but none like Ted Bundy! There was a movie from the 80s about him showing how he lured his victims and that they all had straight, long brown hair parted in the middle. Of course there was the usual child abuse "excuse" that was considered but it didn't explain his misogyny or the type of victim he chose. For example, was his abusive grandfather effeminate with straight, long brown hair parted down the middle? All these serial, rapists and mass murderers with their misogyny and rage against females yet their childhoods seem to typically be abuse my the males in their families. So how is this explained? My father, uncle, grandfather abuse me and I grow up to despise and take out all my rage on females! It doesn't make sense. Also the vast majority of people who are abused &/or bullied grow up to become rapists, killers or terrorists. For example, Jesus had a very stressful life, right from the beginning his life was in danger and he didn't grow up to be a mass murderer, neither did Mohammed, or Ghandi, etc. Keep up with your wonderful analysis and wicked sense of humor!

[@rebelraccoon9018]

You're wrong about Muhammed. He married a 10 year old girl!

[@MEOHara]

Another point. He was very organized and collected, but he was caught for running a traffic light with evidence in his car. Something missing in judgment. Maybe hubris or sense of superiority. Another point I know of personally. He was captured in an area of Pensacola we are familiar with. My husband & a coworker stopped at a restaurant around the time he was caught. They were talking about the case when the bartender told them she believed he had asked her out for a drink the night before he was captured. She thought about it, thought he was attractive, but got a creepy feeling about him and said no. I believe strongly in intuition. If you feel something is wrong it probably is. I have personal experience with that. I got suspicious of a man at the campground I was an attendant at. Creepy feeling. Felt it was strong enough to report to a ranger. They told me they were already keeping an eye on him.

[@sherryd3299]

He was caught several times for driving slowing in residential neighborhoods in the middle of the night. Then they found masks made from pantyhose with the eyes cut out, ice picks, rope, handcuffs etc.

[@amandahall4234]

He knew he was somewhat handsome. He wouldn't have had the same success if he was an ordinary looking dude.

[@msmithrandir561]

I hear that repeated all the time , and I don't think so.

[@LAZYMICH1]

He always looks like Mr Burns from The Simpsons to me, well a younger version. I really don't see why people described him as attractive.

[@Mariam-ou8kt]

@@msmithrandir561 me too he’s really unattractive to me lol

[@lizzywalker6961]

@@Mariam-ou8kt he was probably considered attractive in that decade. Also he had that thing where if someone is so confident, they can appear more attractive that they actually are (if you look closely enough you’ll see it’s not genuine). Like Dr Grande has said, he’s essentially a conman! And brutal murderer ha.

[@weiirdOzdotFU]

@@lizzywalker6961 that might be it, the time period because I find him to be incredibly ordinary looking lol

[@32mybelle]

In some photos he looks attractive and in others he doesn't for some reason, maybe it's just me.

[@anglomik]

He was a changeling, a chameleon.

[@anglomik]

@@GM-yb5yg Being pocessed, he was a changeling. 👹

[@ubermom]

I had jury duty once and the prosecuting attorney was a dead ringer for Ted Bundy. I found that hilarious and it really played out strangely because irony of him looking like Ted Bundy made me smile, which made him make eye contact with me a lot and smile at me, which got us on this whole smile-and-eye-contact cycle. I was young and cute then and he probably thought I had the hots for him or something. I never did tell him why I smiled so much.

[@OceanMetTheSky]

I'm pretty sure this can be said about anyone. We all have attractive and unattractive photos and angles. The reason why he or anyone else look like a "different person" at different angles is because we all have asymmetrical faces. So depending what angle you're seen at, some of your features may be more hidden or prominent than others.

[@seanseanston]

ikr; I never got this whole thing about Ted Bundy being famously "handsome", but then when I watched that Netflix documentary I had to admit that he was quite a showman in court and it was kind of endearing just how far he was willing to go to turn the trial into a farce. I think that made me see the "charming" side of him that people talk about. I can only assume he was a rather average looking man that managed to project an aura of looking much better than he really was because of his manipulative personality.

[@TatooedDoc]

Your dry sense of humor is awesome. The argument that a prison or jail should have “ inmates not escaping” at the top end of their “ to do” list had me dying

[@RedRavenSpirit]

Thank you for your brilliant analysis. The way I view it is that Ted Bundy was very organized until right after he escaped from Colorado. He was organized enough to make his way down to Florida (there’s not a lot of info that I’ve seen on how he managed this, other than resorting to stealing credit cards and cars, which he had done before and reverts back to his previous organizational skills). Yet, once he was finally able to execute his plan of his new life in Florida, the inner monster seemed to be released. He seemed to have been in a frenzied state once he arrived in Florida as witnessed with the horrific murders he committed at the Sorority houses. He then after these unspeakable crimes abducted and raped a 12 year old girl (a crime he, in the end, would not willingly discuss, as it seemed to be repulsive even to himself). He was caught very quickly after this horrific crime and was in a very physically disheveled state upon arrest. Which I think reflected his current mental state. I think his mental state and physical appearance lead to his capture, by making a series of mistakes. Which makes me think he could not have gotten away with this for the average lifespan. He may have started out as an organized killer, but could not have maintained this throughout an average human lifespan. In conclusion, I think he was a very methodical, psychopathic murderer originally...but once he escaped from prison in Colorado, he would have known his days were numbered, and he would ultimately be caught (as a person like him would unlikely commit suicide) and once he arrived in Florida he became obsessed and frenzied and tried to murder as many women as possible and then in the very end, abducted and murdered an innocent child out of desperation to try and fulfill his insatiable bloodlust. I think he in the end he even shocked himself at the ends he would go to, to try and fulfill his insatiable desires, which of course he never could! I think it’s why he wouldn’t ever discuss his last murder, which was only a child. What are your thought on this?

[@signeaarejrgensen61]

Yes, I agree. He seemed to evolve from an organised serial killer to a spreekiller at the end. Like he wanted to get as much out of his last days, as he knew he would be caught soon.

[@LegalTyranny]

@@signeaarejrgensen61 He could have had internal changes that caused the disorganization. Getting caught for murders is more than enough to pile on immense internal stress. The sort of thing that could cause someone to "snap" and become unhinged from who they once were. A PTSD of sorts. There are many life altering events that can cause immense personality changes in people. I'd be more inclined to think something of this line occurred and as a result the behavior he engaged in later went through this mental filter first, and this mental filter was damaged, hence the disorganized behavior. Study any one you know or can get a lot of info on who has "before" and "after" patterns of behavior who may have been in a car crash, war, or some other traumatic experience. And even though people might simply view jail as something not akin to a car crash or war, it can be very life altering for many, especially if they are guilty of something heinous and expect to be behind bars for life or executed.

[@signeaarejrgensen61]

Legal Tyrrany That's a really good point and could very well be the answer.

[@JT-lt5gr]

@@LegalTyranny I don't disagree, but I was always told that PTSD is a male trait and only applies to men who have served in a war. So a man who was not in the military and not in combat can't get it. Also, a female soldier in combat in a war can't get it because it's a male only trait. This is what I've been told. Everybody claims to have PTSD nowadays for the slightest thing.

[@GBari88]

@@JT-lt5gr DID patients often have PTSD. Male and female both. And many-many other trauma survivors.

[@taarnaandros7859]

Ann Rule’s “The Stranger Beside Me” is an excellent book on the subject.

[@theacaciamatrix1537]

have you read her book on the green river killer, gary ridgeway!? excellent.

[@lisafanucchi5939]

Rape The Matrix great author! I have read all her books!!! She was an extraordinary writer. R.I.P. Ann Rule. 😢

[@scarlettgrey6367]

@@lisafanucchi5939 I have also read all of her books which are excellent.

[@TJ-di1iq]

Loved it.

[@BearKlaw]

Great book!

[@nicholassnyder2241]

I think the Doc hit the nail when he credited Bundy's murders to luck, more then "skill", he wasn't a smooth criminal, we just never caught up to anyone that crazy before, and it was a different time. Since then, law enforcement across the country started communicating, and cooperating between departments more thoroughly from my understanding, Ted Bundy definitely could NOT do this today, not like that. He really had that clean-cut, white boy image, and especially back then that was like a badge of innocence I imagine, so I think what fascinates everyone is not that he was smart, but he had no moral code whatsoever, and was willing to hurt others tremendously just to bust a nut, it's terrifying.

[@genesisone5454]

I love how you have none of the arrogance that some mental health professionals seem to have and are honest about your own limitations. in other words you tell it like it is. My experience with professionals in psychology and especially psychiatry have had me view them largely as those who do a lazy job of making diagnostic labels out of other's misery that needs to be fixed. DSM is a good example that shows this history.

[@sklauda1]

I'm bipolar but never gone to the hospital for multiple reasons. Cost, stigma, a fear my family and media put into my head about it, etc.

[@gigischaumburg4289]

Try to find a good therapist if you need support. Mental health is just like being physically healthy.

[@jojomojo6569]

I would love to hear you go through Rodney James Alcala the “dating game killer” if you haven’t already? These are so interesting and you are doing such a good job

[@istateyourname4710]

I was involved w/ a malignant Narcissist and I recall the black eyes when he was being cruel and emotionally abusive. He could then snap right back to his false self and act normal like nothing had happened. Frightening.

[@hollyhope7227]

It is hardly imaginable that Bundy suffered from bipolar disorder. I worked in a psychiatric hospital. I worked with exactely these people. In the phase of mania they are soooo striking that people really bring them to a hospital. In the phase of depression....well, they hardly talk and mostly stay in bed, hardly eat. That does not go well with Ted Bundy.