Was "The Governor" Too Far Gone? | The Walking Dead

[@bigtoechambers9431]

Dude created a torture chamber, and had walker heads as his TV. I'd guess maybe he was.

[@furiousgamerxz5141]

Negan was “redeemed” and he also tortured people, enslaved people and r@ped women so the Governor definitely could have been “redeemed”

[@Travis-q4g]

@@furiousgamerxz5141 he never raped anyone and killed people that did. It was against the rules for the saviours to do so.

[@chief96]

​@@Travis-q4g forcing women to marry you is grape

[@Travis-q4g]

@@chief96 I guess, technically he uses sexual coercion but what I’m trying to say was he wasn’t like that David guy that was going to rape sasha while she was tied up. I wouldn’t say he’s a straight up rapist.

[@heybeter9505]

@@furiousgamerxz5141the issue is,negan was always an asshole who put teenagers in hospitals, the guy sure, led a faction of crazy-minded ego maniacs, but he still retained some shred of morals and values and rules, which he made sure to never trespass away from, governor killed his own people, kept a case of heads not to mention a hardcore manipulative, negan may have killed his men, but mostly to convey a message or even more, face to face

[@XThink-hl6gv]

Fun fact: Brian was The Governor’s name in the comics and Phillip was his brother.

[@crusader2112]

Rise of the Governor was such a good book. 👍

[@SuppressedSoldat]

This is just a theory but maybe after the events of the prison he took his old persona, realizing that in a attempt of trying to be his brother, drove him insane just like he was, so taking back his old persona as himself is what allowed him to try to change but Phillip always broke back out when time called for it. He was too far gone into his brother's persona to go back to Brian.

[@mikecabrera7393]

@@crusader2112 It was the basis for how they wrote him in the show. In the comic, he just seemed like the worst of what humanity can offer without much of a reason for why or how he became monster. The novel and the show added so many more layers to his character that I can quite honestly say he was one of the best written villains in dramatic television. Better than Negan even imo

[@mikecabrera7393]

@@SuppressedSoldat That's actually a very fascinating take. The way I see it, some version of the novel happened in the show in his past. The Governor wanted to be like his brother, "a hero" but couldn't live up to it because his brother couldn't either and once again gave in to the darkness just like his brother did. Justifying his evil as being the only way to survive in a world filled with monsters. Like he says to Pete, "Now you join me and I promise you that won't have to worry about whether you're doing the right thing or the wrong thing, because we will do... the *only* thing." - survive.

[@crusader2112]

@@mikecabrera7393 True. Although the novel is in the comics verse, so comic governor does have some development.

[@AstroWilliamss]

Considering he chopped a old dudes head off and kept heads in his house yeah he was definitely too far gone

[@rhomayyann4691]

Negan did worse, and he came back.

[@rickgrimes9317]

@@rhomayyann4691 except negan had a flawed code. Brian literally did it for his ego

[@rhomayyann4691]

@rickgrimes9317 So did Negan. He was a war monger who ruled off of fear. He didn't even like Rick looking at him a certain way and broke him when he did. Negan did far worse to many more people and still came back. There is no comparing the two. The Governor could've came back too.

[@HybridFortitudo]

​@@rhomayyann4691in Negan's case it was all just an act, stop portraying your favorite character as "evil" even tho he's not, it's cringe

[@makavelithadon1224]

​@@rhomayyann4691except negan doesnt massacre his own crew, even when challenged he fought with bare hands Tho i honestly find jeffrey acting of negan to be cringe, especialy in dead city they milked him for all hes worth.

[@501stDank]

The Governor was so charming, he’s got some viewers fooled even today.

[@kelsey2333]

Perfect as a cult leader. Michonne even said he was "a real Jim Jones type"

[@dermagnus8482]

My Ex compared me to him. But I had no torture chamber. The old drama queen.

[@PricefieldPunk]

I remember at some point in Season 3 The Governor talked about his life before the outbreak and he said he was just some white collar worker, driving a mediocre car who answered to a boss twice as young as him who didn't even deserve to be the boss. I think thats why he had the ego where he needed to be in control all the time cause he was unfulfilled in his prior life

[@thegatorhator6822]

That or he made all that up to seem like a normal, relatable guy.

[@Blackstandard7]

I was pissed when Philip killed Martinez. I liked Martinez.

[@ja9145]

Really lmao? Martinez was a pos, not as bad as governor, but still horrible. He would've became another governor had he led for long enough

[@TheRealCaptainGold]

Martinez was chill af.

[@FrenchByzantium]

same

[@NikolaiNova]

But from his pov he needed to be killed although I think it could have been much better if they teamed up with Rick ​@@TheRealCaptainGold

[@pachacuti8403]

*I DON'T WANT IT*

[@kokroughtoss1257]

Short answer: No. Long answer: Would YOU want to live with a psychopath?

[@dermagnus8482]

No. Two psychopaths are too many.😊

[@CaptainMorgannnn]

I’ll never forget when my family’s watch party saw the scene where the Gov kills his people, after the failed attack on the prison. Everyone’s jaws were on the floor lol biggest “wtf” moment in the show.

[@MistahJay7]

The Governor saying "I don't want it" is the most genuine thing he has ever said. He thinks he's the only one capable of keeping his new "family" and the new group alive. Right after Martinez was doubting his own leadership capabilities. Before that happened Phillip even tried to escape in the middle of the night with his "family" but ran into that giant Walker mud swamp thing not allowing them to leave. He wanted to leave cause he knew the path he was going down would lead him back to being The Governor. I truly do think in that moment he wanted to be Brian but he couldn't. He had to be The Governor even though he didn't want it. Phillip most likely has Dissociative identity disorder which is a part of his character in the Books and Comic.

[@garrettcoladonato493]

The governor was hands down the best villian in TWD. Truly evil and unpredictable.

[@austenbeekman9584]

Forgetting Negan?

[@chlaco2005]

He was alright. Shane was the best IMO. His slow descent into insanity was super interesting

[@noiminoimi1179]

Shane and negan are right up there with him side by side as great villains. The governor was not the greatest at all I'd argue he's at the bottom between Shane and negan. Because there was no layers too the governor.

[@PricefieldPunk]

@@austenbeekman9584 Negan was pretty predicatable compared to the Governor. There was a point when Negan's right hand man Simon looked more evil and unpredictable than Negan.

[@Dubs_daKush3081]

​@austenbeekman9584 Negan was more broken then evil Governor may not have the jokes but he damn sure has the evilness and Dark minded

[@sevllyne1394]

11:21 lmao at the hit-markers when he kills his whole squad.

[@erisi236]

Phil was definitely the kid who killed neighborhood cats

[@Phuajunwei]

Michonne has a neighbor like that in the comic, it's also a kid.

[@Coveysconcrete]

his character and personality was well constructed not in a unhealthy minded way, he had several personality disorders or as I call them (PD's) not only was he a deep narcissist he was ice cold sadistic as hell👍🏻he wasn't dumb that's for sure👍🏻I love his and michones conversation at the truck with the bullet holes in it😂

[@tylertheguy3160]

I think he had a Jekyll and Mr. Hyde thing going on. He had his side that was pretty much an average guy, and then a side that was just flat out nuts.

[@VenomousVortexProductions]

He almost redeemed himself by protecting Megan and her family, but his need for power took over as he got Martinez killed. He did lose his daughter which ruined him

[@sanddude20]

I would say out of all major antagonists our group encountered throughout the main series, the Governor was definitely the most psychotic and least redeemable there was. Even considering all the awful things the others did such as cannibalism, lying, betraying, and even hunting down other people. They all still ultimately did it for survival, whereas the Governor has shown that he was just fulfilling his psychopathic tendencies even when detrimental( such as slaughtering his own group, or would-be additions to the group.)

[@mappingshaman5280]

I'd say beta was worse. At least the governor wasn't trying to turn everyone into a walker, lol

[@HybridFortitudo]

​@@mappingshaman5280Beta had mental issues, The Governor was fully aware of his actions

[@brendandulaca3147]

I think Alpha is slightly more evil. She was already evil even before the apocalypse and in the end tried to kill her own daughter. The Governor at least seems like he was a decent guy before the apocalypse, and he clearly loved his daughter dearly.

[@HybridFortitudo]

@@brendandulaca3147 I don't think she would've killed her daughter, and she gave everyone a chance unlike Governor

[@AngelGuzman0925]

Dude was definitely born to be a politician. The name “governor” suits him 😅

[@spaceman9396]

These videos are so good. Thank you for your dedication to this franchise.

[@PatriotMapper]

I don’t think anybody is too far gone, but some people refuse to come back when they’ve gone too far. Even the worst of the worst can be redeemed, they just choose not to. The Governor chose to reject redemption.

[@crusader2112]

I agree that 99.99% of people are redeemable, but the .01% of people who are p*dos are flat out not redeemable. You mess with kids, you’re done.

[@jeremyscungio16]

I still think that he would've snapped. A small remark, seeing Rick, seeing someone from Woodbury, etc would've set him off.

[@anthonyspitery6332]

“To injure an opponent is to injure oneself” philosophy you dumped on us there lol. But to be fair, the governor literally kept the original chains Michonne had from the walkers she kept and after a crazy flashback transition scene we saw him in his torture room with those chains seemingly gooning to the thought of dismembering and torturing Michonne in a similar fashion to what is implied that he would keep her as a pet just like she did to her walkers. He definitely wanted to tie in her darkness with his own in a poetic killer type of way-so idk maybe he WAS too far gone, after I mention that 🤓🧠

[@cheesedoosh]

I agree with this, anyone can be redeemed but only if they want to be. There are psychopathic narcissists out there today who got help and are functioning members of society

[@mikecabrera7393]

Exactly. You can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved. The reason why The Governor called Rick a "liar" was because he did not believe that someone like him could change and "let go of all of it." by forgiving his enemy. How was Rick able to do what he could not and overcome his inner demons? So through his perspective, it must have been a lie and he rejected it in the worst way possible.

[@anthonyspitery6332]

To put it simply: He was too far gone because of his original code and proven methods of survival. He could not have realistically managed to survive another way. The governor kept heads as killing trophies because he enjoyed killing. Killing started out as a necessity to serve the greater good of his town, but his town grew to be more successful because of how ruthless he was. The end did not justify the means-but he did happen make two very realistic and depressingly poignant points about reality. 1. When chatting with Andrea in the garden, he said “The landscape has changed-but who we are!?” I think of the structure of civilization. One nation would have the fruit of all the benefits whereas another would be suffering, poor, at war, and dying. How he runs Woodbury is realistic to how one would in political theory, run a country as a dictator or even a corrupt democracy. 2. When addressing his people about the soldiers “But we will honor their sacrifice, by not taking what we have here for granted” Lucky poetic irony-that he did indeed massacre remnants of military soldiers that further prove that notion in the complex idiosyncrasies as a society And then comes season 4: We saw SO MUCH GROWTH from him as a character. I believe he grew past his ego, and his desire to have a family like his previous life did kick in. But the only way he knows how to survive in the apocalypse is by killing . “You kill or you die, or you die and you kill” He’s a very primal individual who cannot escape it however how hard he tried, and I believe he really did try. He killed Martinez because he suggested they can “share the crown” and in a very impulsive ptsd way to try and escape his past he said “I DON’T WANT IT” as he killed him-in an attempt to bury that burden of responsibility and any reminder of his previous attachment to it. However, we do see later that Pete’s methods as a leader show how he is even less qualified to lead-and his actions such as not being aware of other threats from people or richness in other groups supplies could be used to their benefit. The time the boys spent in the forest where he saw the “rapist” “murderer” and “liar” where another killer kept heads shared the governors beliefs and started to get under his skin again about what he needs to do. But still-he tried to leave camp with his family and that other gf of Tara’s only to be reminded by the walkers in the mud in that roadblock of his original beliefs “You kill or you die, or you die and you kill” He was driven mad by his own code of seeing no other way for him so keep himself alive-mind you killing is also the only thing that made him FEEL alive. So he became the governor again when he forced the attack on the prison. He was also reminded of “liar” by Rick because tbh in my opinion Rick is a Liar. The way he killed Shane or the saviors in the later seasons when he gave “his word” proved that. Rick may have even thrown them in Cell Block D where the previous occupants died of sickness. It very well could have been a bluff. Dictators live in truth and fear, where democracy lives in lies. (According to Philip’s character) There’s actually such a complex and complicated depth to Philip-that is never talked about properly in these types of vids. IMO he is a human and not a monster, but he was indeed “Too Far Gone”

[@MistahJay7]

He killed Martinez cause it seemed like he wasn't sure if he could protect and keep everyone alive. "Couldn't sleep at night knowing I could lose them" talking about Lilly and Megan. Soon as he said that it was like a Trigger that went off in Phillips head. In that moment The Governor was back

[@anthonyspitery6332]

@@MistahJay7 For me, the governor came back the moment he made up his mind to kill Pete. Lilly caught him stepping out of the trailer and she asked what are you doing? He simply looked down and with remorse and sorrow said “….surviving”. That’s how I define the governor. A man who doesn’t want the responsibility but seems to be the only one around willing to do what’s selfish enough to get through another day

[@kingchangi8432]

*has 1000 walker heads in boxes* "i can change him!"

[@TheLocutus70-z9x]

Losing Penny put him over the edge. When he killed his own people because they didn't want to fight, he was too far gone. There's no way to save him after that. He just couldn't let Rick win for some reason. No, he couldn't be saved.

[@loganentertainment1814]

4:03, I agree. The Governor could have recruited them, and showed trust. It was a very irrational choice, and let’s be honest, his order of operations was destined to fail, regardless of Rick and his gang intervening. While I do genuinely feel bad for him that he lost his wife and daughter, still, there’s no doubt he needed to be killed, and despite his death being quick and painless, he no doubt deserved to suffer for how awful of a person he is.

[@RebelFNOS]

I'm not sure about the comics but in the show it seems The Governor might've been into some rather... Illegal activities... Prior to the outbreak showcased by his Full-Auto Steyr AUG A1 and his expert handling of said AUG alongside the various tactics he employed to get what he wanted out of any given situation

[@Sun-Warrior1911]

If The Governor had manpower equal to that of the Saviors would he pose a greater threat than Negan? Would you settle the “Who’s more dangerous, The Governor or Negan?”

[@gasmaskalan1771]

I'd say so

[@PantaloonTV]

if Governor was head of Sanctuary, Carl would've died much sooner.

[@AchillesofOblivion]

He would "kill 'em all"

[@angelamaro3480]

Negan kept people alive as a dictatorship kind of way. The governor is more of a cult leader. He destroyed all hope for those people that followed him

[@LemonDrop-zt9xx]

If the Governor had manpower equal to the saviors, he would, without a doubt, pose a greater threat than Negan. This is because, while Negan wanted other communities to work for him, the Governor wouldn't have bothered making deals with other groups. He'd just wipe them out.

[@matthewkuchinski1769]

One point to be made about Philip Blake's massacre of the National Guard squad was that it was a truly wasteful and stupid idea. True, Philip did get the vehicles, weapons, and supplies of the soldiers in his possession for his Woodbury settlement, but by murdering the men who originally possessed all of that material, men who were actually trained soldiers, he threw away one of the most important resources that Woodbury desperately needed. The men of the squad could have been added to Woodbury's Militia and further been relied upon to train up the townspeople so as to strengthen that military body's potential. Furthermore, if the Governor had given the squad the chance to help his community, it would have redeemed them in turn for the abandonment of their original post. And, if a real threat had existed for the community, such as the possibility of a massive walker horde or a powerful faction like the Saviors spreading their influence in the area, the addition of the squad and other survivors into Woodbury would have enhanced its ability to defend itself.

[@popamihnea6695]

I can understand why he eliminated the soldiers. Nothing stops the soldiers from taking over Woodbury as they are better trained and better armed. The Governor basically avoided the possible scenario of Soldiers turning on them. It was not ok from a neutral/objective point of view, but from his POV it was the safest solution

[@TheMightyCookieShow]

I don't think the governor started off as a psychopath I think the loss of his family and combination with the destruction that he saw literally everywhere he looked pushed him over the edge of insanity into being a psycho. And that's a shame because he did have a lot of potential I mean he built something really nice with the people that he was with and I think that if he and Rick could have teamed up they could have really made a big difference in the world. It's kind of the joker's theory of having just one bad day.

[@andrzejuniedenerwujsie9465]

No man he was a Psychopath he only cared about himself sure he kinda "cared" about his people but only if they were loyal to him and if they say NO what he did oh yea thats right he Killed them with no remorse so Yes he was a Psychopath and all this bulshit about just one bad day is a bulshit you can have 365 bad days in year and still dont harm other people dont manipulate them its only up to you and thats it in the end of the day its your choice not anyone elses but yours

[@Mysteryz-li2pw]

You are kinda just born a psychopath my guy

[@aled845]

That man obviously was a normal guy, the loss of his wife started his mental decay (In the Rise of the Governor novel book, Philip holds a facade for Penny but is boiling in rage and sadness all the time, should be the same for TV Governor). Then he started to lead Woodbury back when they were "held up in appartments sharing cereal bars" and has purpose. Then Penny either got killed by zombies or scavengers, breaking his psyche forever. From that point on he realized he has to be ruthless, violent and ruthless to protect his now undead daughter and community. He wallows in his darkness and growing insanity, allowing it to take him over has he has nothing and nobody to keep him sane. Look at how Rick was when Lori died. Imagine if shortly after, Carl got killed because he wasn't a good leader and he didn't have the group to support and comfort him. He'd have been just like Philip

[@Mysteryz-li2pw]

@@aled845 He’s more likely to be something like a sociopath. You’re born a psychopath.

[@aled845]

@@Mysteryz-li2pw Psychopathy comes in different degrees of severity, same for sociopathy. All psychopaths are sociopaths, but not all sociopaths are psychopaths. Sociopaths are more dangerous than psychopaths, because they're usually calmer and better at planning since they understand human emotions and empathy, unlike psychopaths. Philip seems to have empathy and understand it, yet chooses to ignore it and wields the feelings of others to serve his plan. Philip does seem to have ASPD (sociopathy), chronic depression, severe PTSD, and malignant narcissm. All those conditions might have been vastly exacerbated after the outbreak, profoundly changing his very nature.

[@NoellGenna]

I'm rewatching season 3 because it's currently playing on prime video. I seriously forgot how vicious he was... he killed everything, without remorse. Once he shot all his soldiers there's no way he could come back from that. Even Negan actually cared about the Saviors. The Governor's people were just pawns to the next step. I do believe his family dying changed who he was as a person, but he definitely would not have changed for the better.

[@captainfatfoot2176]

I think those soldiers would’ve tried to put themselves in control of Woodbury.

[@prhccpcpresident4457]

Your videos are soooooo close to how so many humans we deal with day in day out. Your input gives me and us and insight to our very own existence and experiences. Thank you and keep it up Captain Gold!

[@The_Humble_Hurricane]

14:25 powerful. Damn this is a great point. Never thought about him referring to himself when he called Rick a liar......damn that's deep💯 Good stuff man. Definitely got a new supporter.

[@YTCProductions]

Villains often are dark reflections of the protagonist or the said protagonist actions and struggles The Governor himself is simply a dark reflection of Rick and was similar to Rick on a surface level to the common person who sees him as a charming and charismatic strong leader but had sadistic alterative hobby of collecting heads to numb himself on what he believes will help him remain sane Which ironically is the actions that led him down a downard spiral mentally since the apocalypse and loss in it does that to one Difference is Rick wasnt too far gone enough like phillip was and eventually came around and choosed the idea of unity and community while phillip gave in to his darkest intrusive thoughts and went more down his descent into losing the last ounce of humanity and he did so as the final straw after he killed hershel

[@mikecabrera7393]

Very true. Even Robert Kirkman saw The Governor as "Bizarro Rick" and that sums up his villainy perfectly.

[@tylertheguy3160]

The way I see it, after season 3 he had a chance to reflect on things and change for the better, and he even kind of did for a bit. But ultimately he just couldn't let that grudge go and threw away everything he had rebuilt. He failed where Negan would later on succeed.

[@doggolovescheese1310]

You and me came to the same conclusion. Although fanfiction is fun, its completely unrealistic to actually think that someone this messed up could be fixed

[@onlyalisaawilliams]

I agree , The Governor was probably toxic AF before the apocalypse. He was too far gone when they introduced him on the show. Martinez, Merle , and rest of his henchmen should’ve done him in when they discovered who, what, and how he was, because he ended up killing all of them anyway.

[@BonesyTucson]

Good analysis.

[@mune.t8691]

I think something more interesting is if characters like the Governor or Negan DESERVED or not to have a second chance or a chance to redem themselves.

[@sebastianlauri9622]

In a pre-apocalyptic world? No chance in hell. Post-apocalyptic? Well, that's complicated.. Phillip was never redeemable AT ALL Negan was not really redeemable either but it just so happened because he could express emotions better than the Gov and he changed after the years in prison. He earned his freedom in the world as it is, but should never be forgiven for his past. He is in this weird position where he both deserves life in prison and freedom because he saved the group a million times. I'm supporting the latter more after seing it unfold but i'd never supported his release before that. He was lucky

[@christiankatzel9598]

​@@sebastianlauri9622 Negan was more than redeemable. Even tho his leadership style was wrong, the reaction on Ricks group was the right thing to do after they killed his outpost in the sleep without any reason

[@sebastianlauri9622]

@@christiankatzel9598 Rick would never have attacked them if the saviors weren't stealing people's supplies and making whole communities their slaves

[@christiankatzel9598]

@@sebastianlauri9622 its a post apocaloyptic world. That sole smaller communities have to pay supplies to the bigger ones, seems to be very realistic, although 50% might be a little too much. The strongest make the rules and if Rick and his group wouldnt have such an immense plot armour, Alexandria+Hilltop+Kingdom wouldnt have stood any chance against the Saviours. Also it wasnt because the Saviours stole from Ricks group. They did it to get supplies from Hilltop in return. It was basically a contract killing for their own good.

[@adamsuniga4427]

Man thanks for making these videos ! Keeps me going at work and it’s fun to think about some of the old characters in the walking dead

[@Notastonemason]

New subscriber here been enjoying binging your stuff the last week or so. Lots of good and fresh feeling twd content

[@KB-kw6zy]

Just discovered your KZbin yesterday and loving the videos

[@crewmat5013]

Can’t wait for this channel to get bigger you deserve it!

[@in_vino_veritas7938]

It almost looked like he had when he was on his own and met up with that family and kid. But the dude was too far gone. As soon as they met up with the other survivors he was right back to his old ways. The only way he could have, imo, maintained that family guy vibe was if it was strictly just the woman, her sister, and the kid in some area devoid of other people. But that's weird, and the dude was just too unhinged. He'd eventually go crazy again anyway. Besides, he got off on torture

[@mikecabrera7393]

Great video! The way I see it, The Governor was a sociopath narcissist with psychopathic tendencies due to his charismatic charm and ability to manipulate people to get what he wants as well as his extremely low levels of empathy. But as evidence for his sociopathy, was his tendency to fly off the handle and respond with extreme violence on a whim such as when he suddenly killed Martinez in a murderous psychotic episode of rage over "sharing the crown" screaming "I DON'T WANT IT!!" or when he slaughtered his own people when confronted for his actions or when he decapitated Hershel with his distorted perception of Rick being a "liar." He was a deeply disturbed man who didn't believe he was anything but too far gone.

[@savagekruger77]

The Governor as a villain was more powerful than Shane and Negan.

[@KingSlayer_.]

This man was a stone cold menace. Plain and simple

[@filipgaecki5480]

Personally I believe that by the time Michonne kills his "daughter" it's the loint after which no matter what The Governor was too far gone and could not come back from it. Before that point however I believe had the circumstances were different he did have a chance at coming back to who he once was.

[@lunkycultist5519]

Off topic but a prison is Such a good base in a zombie apocalypse, Designed to keep people in and out, Lots of room for agriculture and living space, Lots of beds that have cell doors to stop zombies getting in and to stop whatever getting out. So on and so forth.

[@Johnhargrove18]

But can it stop a tank?

[@lunkycultist5519]

@@Johnhargrove18 😐😡

[@crewmat5013]

Amazing video

[@pikagurlgamez]

(off topic) mad respect for the dying light soundtrack in the background

[@MrGsking12]

The man literally had an opportunity to start all over, but no instead he went back to try and finish what he started with Rick. There was no saving this dog he had to be put down, unfortunately.

[@mikecabrera7393]

The Governor was too far gone because he didn't want to be saved. By the time he arrived at the prison with his tank, he had given in to his dark side and embraced becoming evil and embracing human savagery as a necessity to survive. He called Rick a liar because he didn't believe that Rick could change and forgive the past. If he couldn't change his own nature, how could his enemy? Then he killed Hershel and destroyed the prison purely out of spite. It was his ego that prevented any form of redemption he could have had that Rick offered him. As said by Robert Kirkman explaining The Governor's mindset in that episode, "He doesn't want to live anymore. He doesn't care about anyone around him. He just wants to hurt people." He was a great villain because he felt the most realistic because it showed how one seemingly normal guy could become a monster and cause so much destruction given the right push to madness. Moreover, the way I see it. The Governor was only a "good person" to his wife and daughter out of circumstance, once the apocalypse happened he became who he truly was - A mass murdering sociopath who wanted the whole world to burn for everything he lost. This is supported by David Morrisey who explained what The Governor was thinking as he was beating Rick to death, "When he's punching Rick's face. He's punching his own face. He's punching the world. He's punching injustice. He's punching what's happened to him. He's taking out his fury and venting his anger out on somebody else and its Rick."

[@ghostwriter1440]

I think if the likes of Merle and Shane couldn’t be redeemed in the face of their actions then there’s no hope for this fella - he’s a deceitful , cloak and dagger sadistic bastard. He has no issue mowing down his own people which I find to be pretty similar to what a Bond villain would do.

[@fabiovieira8442]

Merle and Shane could have been redeemed.

[@ghostwriter1440]

I’d be inclined to agree but if someone thinks those two are irredeemable then there’s no hope for a guy like Phillip Blake

[@MistahJay7]

Merle redeemed himself what you yapping about

[@ghostwriter1440]

Me personally I think he did or at least took a stab at it and the crash out was exquisite but there are people who don’t yet would make a case for the governor being redeemable

[@ShadowEliteHD]

I don't think he kept the heads as trophies. They were more to remind himself of the horrors of the world he lives in and not to ever grow soft.

[@AstroWilliamss]

They we’re definitely trophies who would keep heads of military soldiers like that lol

[@Iianator]

Sure Andrea, keep telling yourself that

[@bobbyblade2667]

Not to pile it on, but if it were a just a reminder, one head would have done it. I think he kept a head from each raid. He even kept Pete's walker body at the dock.

[@UnprofessionalGenius]

Maybe both

[@Dan-zz8mz]

​@@AstroWilliamssbecouse he litteraly said it himself.

[@JonathanHigley-ni7xd]

I never believed he had a chance to find himself again he was permanently torn from Woodburys fall and was set to be killed in the end

[@phillip22722]

I think the fact he... chopped an innocent man's head off!!!! alone is proof that he was too far gone. I don't quite understand what the question is being asked for.

[@ynwgoob6467]

The Governor was the most well written Villian of all time imo.

[@mappingshaman5280]

People will throw a hissy fit saying "comic governor was even worse" and in many respects he was, but i truly think at least before michonne (justifiably) tortured him, comic governor could have redeemed himself. You should watch vile eyes video on the governor.

[@joshknight2463]

Is strange how before he attacks the prison you briefly see it from his view. He knows he is a bad man and thinks that’s the key to survival. Also the storyline of him having a shot at redemption and not taking it is very interesting.

[@preppertrucker5736]

There is no way that Rick and the governor could coexist….. there are too many differences, and as the old saying goes, you can’t have two captains on a ship ….

[@tonyahines4554]

Hell naw! Dude had tanks full of walker heads and kept his walker daughter as a pet. Not to mention the DIY torture chamber. Dude was batshit crazy.

[@Anakin_Skywalker01]

Read this as “could he be shaved” And my tired ass really sat for 3 straight minutes wondering what razor the Gov uses😂

[@donnymann6739]

Philip is just like Lindsey. He's a sociopath, there's no cure for that.

[@furiousgamerxz5141]

If Negan can be “redeemed” than The Governor could have, Negan was FAR worse, at least in the show.

[@Muddyyyyyy3030]

Nah gov was worse in both show and comic even worse in the comic

[@michaelmiles2305]

I wonder wat would’ve happened if he didn’t run into Martinez 🤔

[@thedecipher346]

He definitely was too far gone

[@MistahJay7]

I've always viewed the Governor more of a Sociapath then a Psychopath. Hell he might just be both lol

[@MistahJay7]

The Greatest TV show Villain of all time and The Governor will always remain the greatest Individual threat the group as or will ever face.

[@dragonballradiant2744]

Well, The Walking Dead Destines explores this. According to that, Merle would’ve been discussed by his weakness. And took his place. But I don’t blame you if you don’t want to use that as an example. It was pretty awful. Also in that same scene. With Herschel. He tells, Michonne. It’s nothing personal. Any more. He understands she was dead now. But the reason why Michonne, did that was because of her own trauma so. And I would’ve done the same thing so

[@NikolaiNova]

Governor is the best

[@TheGuy-u7f]

Can you do a video on what is each walking dead characters lantern corp…like not every character just popular ones?

[@morten8586]

The one time the govenor was definitly right is when he called rick a liar. Rick lied and would have never lived in peace with them

[@NikolaiNova]

Rick would have eventually tried to kill him hence liar

[@spaceman9396]

Liar*

[@jiggycalzone8585]

I disagree actually. Remember this is S3 Rick who still believed the old world was possible to retrieve. This is farmer Rick. It would have been the governor who would have betrayed and murdered Rick if they had joined. Him calling Rick a liar is projection since he was not able to 'come back' from what was-- in spite of actually trying to for a time with Tara's family, he couldn't escape it and quickly relapses when he finds his old cohorts. He assumes the same of Rick or is even using it to cope with his intentions to massacre the people at the prison to frame it in his mind as justifiable

[@soyusmaximus7176]

That’s not why the Governor called Rick a liar. Rick had just told him that anyone could change and come back from their evil deeds. The Governor believed that he couldn’t and that Rick was a fool to think that he could.

[@NikolaiNova]

​@@jiggycalzone8585no in s4 or S5 start Rick was already less predictable less merciful after escaping prision so governor did right not trusting him just the plot armour as always came in way

[@toddmanger7194]

too far gone was my favorite episode.

[@kylebwg2151]

who knew the governor had so much in common with mr white yo

[@kenmck7802]

Could he be saved? Yeah HE had the perfect chance when he met his new woman. Even got a daughter "substitute". But juuussttt COULDN'T let it go. HE...couldn't. And oh yeah the zombie heads in an aquarium thing, nootttt a good...sign.

[@maxmetodiev641]

1:45 is that jose Pablo cantillo?

[@VerySeriousMediaYT]

You just have to watch the show to know that yes he was too far gone. Also everyone here saying "but Negan" are not making good arguments and please try to stay on target. You're talking about The Govenor, not Negan. That's a whataboutism.

[@rudydesi]

Governor and alpha and that dude pope were true villians

[@LIAM28427]

Some people are just awful it was not the zombie outbreak that made them like that that is just an excuse

[@StarKushExoticGalaxy]

He tagged and bagged Andrea, lucky S.O.B

[@dksoulstice6040]

One of the only cool things about that abysmal fucking Walking Dead Destinies game is you could redeem the Governor.

[@DiWey-ty8cx]

The comic was serious but I don't think he was OKay at all, he lost his mind. Look at Lizzy, she killed Mika her little sister by gutting her, and almost killing Judith. That family came from Woodbury and Phil/Brian(Govener) had gladiator fights which Andrea scolded Governor for and he says "Teaching them to not br scared." Rhen Andrea says "No you're teaching them they aren't scared."

[@nero648]

i see new videos i click

[@s3xylegend26]

When Rick gave that whole speech about not being too far gone if the governor decided to turn around and work together would rick have really let him slide or would he kill the governor when he let his guard down.

[@mortem-tyrannis]

I wouldn't doubt if Philip had killed before the apocalypse maybe a serial killer.

[@starrsmith3810]

After what he did to Maggie? Yes

[@tobiaszakaroff8424]

Hey. The music in the background of this video and other TWD videos, does it have a title? Or how can i find the music?

[@toppseasonszn2342]

Yep

[@daedricmage2118]

I haven’t even seen any bit of this video but I’m gonna say The Governor isn’t to fair gone if Negan can be saved/switch sides so can the Governor

[@DanteYewToob]

I think the names are backwards… In the comic his name is Brian and his brother is Phillip, so I like the theory that just like the comic he took his brothers identity and daughter and later he was honest about who he was. Brian is the real him. Evidence for that theory is all over, and one big one is the scene with Herschel… a father would have some empathy for another father, a father who lost a child… but not a psychopath who stole a child… a parent who loves their child as much as he claimed to doesn’t just lose that kind of empathy, it changes you. If he was a shitty parent and didn’t particularly care about Penny that would be different.. but most likely she was his niece and treated him like the coolest and best person in the world like lots of kids do and he liked that feeling. He was insecure and unhappy but being worshipped by that girl made him feel important, even in a small way. He didn’t love Penny, he loved how she made him feel. He’s no real parent. No real father. The governor was Brian.

[@brettwerner7128]

Liked the video but I think your way off after Woodbury fell. He clearly felt defeated and remorseful. He changed his name to try to forget it. Not because he continued to like lying. He also tried to live a new life with that family. He protected them. He didn’t want to be the leader but Martinez told him “he would try” to keep them safe. Which triggered him to not be at mercy and leaving his new family life in someone else’s hands. He says this when he yells at Martinez “I don’t want it”. Yes he is a psychopath and narcissist but I think he couldn’t help it.

[@Bumpercat86]

bru I watched this at 420 views, refreshed, and it went up to 666, not even joking.

[@Dealerofdeath1998]

I think the govenor never wanted peace in season 04 he was the one who proved that no matter what rick said he wanted bloodshed in fact imo what rick said about peace and forgiveness seemed to piss the governor off more .

[@NikolaiNova]

Hi pls next one compare both governor and negan in fight

[@michaelmiles2305]

Show governor is a regular us politician 😂 the comic book version was way worse

[@Glofte]

I'm the governor😈

[@doggolovescheese1310]

He was the best villain of the show (imo)

[@damonthompson6932]

Go over the character arc of Gabriel please

[@Runner-Boy]

Id like a comic book exact like show re boot

[@idkwhattohaveasausername5828]

The only way it would happen is if it got picked up by hbo or another streaming service. There’s far more explicit content in the comics revolving around the governor in the comics that just can’t be shown on normal TV

[@coleott9364]

His real name is Brian

[@loganmartin5824]

For future videos you should give them an A or B rating like Rick had I think the governor was an A