The Joker's Bank Heist Plan is Terrible

[@giantsweet1472]

Plot twist: The Joker actually fully expected to get arrested but through sheer dumb luck, ended up pulling it off and the rest of the movie is a deviation from the original plan.

[@petermj1098]

It’s almost like the bank heist symbolizes the Joker’s chaotic influence and nature he has on people….

[@lalboimanlun1230]

Also he even burnt all the money... And he's not afraid of the cops. It's not about the money it's about sending a message type shit

[@TPilly]

@@petermj1098insane that people can watch a movie and have no idea what they’re watching 😂 thanks for understanding

[@LegendaryDorkKnight]

@@TPilly Yeah. You and Peter. This video criticizing the heist isn't about changing our perception of The Joker, but rather disproving the people who say this heist was brilliantly planned by a mastermind who knew what he was doing. He even mentioned the comments at the top of the video.

[@TPilly]

@@LegendaryDorkKnight our comments were a different topic/conversation about the scene. Your tism took over. Enjoy all your real life friendships

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

Despot, I'd like to personally thank you for informing me about the intricacies of what goes into a bank robbery. I've been planning one for a while, and your analysis allowed me to see a number of flaws that were still very much present in my plans, holes that I've since plugged to make it utterly waterproof. I'll be a rich man thanks to you!

[@cranberryrosebud]

there's something so funny about the combination of your comment and your username

[@gamingforever9121]

This was perfect!

[@vicvega3614]

@@cranberryrosebud well since he made this comment on google his account is now flagged and his IP is probably sent to the fbi by now. I hope hes not sitting in prison right now

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

I hope it went well! Send me a buck or two.

[@gregerjohn8728]

can i join?

[@AMalas]

Guys. Forget all that. The bus isnt damaged by going through a fucking wall?

[@michaelthesanta3610]

He got 100% armor at Los Santos Customs

[@anonymousperson6119]

21:28

[@vergilsshcum]

I mean aren't american buildings made up of paper and air? If that's the case with the bank aswell the bus probably won't be damaged much. Ofcourse with a massive IF.

[@fredmercury1314]

And it didn't actually hit the bag man. And if it had, he wouldn't have died anyway.

[@adfggffffffddffd]

@@anonymousperson6119 🤣

[@alex_tucker]

This is a great example of a well-made sequence disguising a poor concept. The first time I watched it the only thing that really stood out was the idea that the robbers would be both happy to murder each other AND unaware that they're all equally expendable.

[@jayg.2066]

"Unaware that they're all equally expendable." This is the most important part. Because you can sum up the rest of the things with the fact that he is the Joker. He has connections with some of the most powerful people in Gotham to hire anyone he wants, he can hire crooked bus drivers or threaten them, he's smart and well versed enough to come up with precautions outside of the situation, he's a psycho, etc. And it just works because Joker is an established villain and everyone know he can and has done stuff like this many times. If it was a new villain who did this, it wouldn't make sense to many people. But it really makes no sense how trained criminals are so naive.

[@dancnkc]

The last time you saw someone question the Joker, his head was blown off. And you think you're going to say no when he tells you to take out the alarm guy?

[@KarazolaX]

well the only guy who put two and two together was the one who got told by his target that he'd just done the same thing, and he put it together instantly. he probably went to great lengths to make sure none of the others found out before the job. The only real stretch was him being able to escape via schoolbus line, but it happens so quickly it's still possible, only really needs to get far enough in it before he gets to another vehicle. Obviously he isn't driving the bus all the way home. The bank scene is unrealistic but not as bad as people make it out. joker in this movie has an aura about him that brings things up to this level, which makes him as scary as he is. it also makes it satisfying when his plans are foiled by human goodness at the end.

[@Gloom_Shroom_Gaming]

​@KarazolaX Even then, Joker could have had another guy in each bus holding the driver hostage. In my opinion getting the bag man to be positioned perfectly to be hit by the bus just by sidestepping was a lot less realistic than that.

[@KarazolaX]

@@Gloom_Shroom_Gaming Well, if it's a tightly executed plan, they could have part of the plan that puts them there, if it's gone off without a hitch. But it's not that small an area. And even if it somehow missed, Joker still has the drop on them and could just flatline them, he only has to get rid of one guy in the bank. In fact, the bus would probably be good enough of a distraction to afford him the opportunity to take them out by itself.

[@ForTheJerusalem]

Here's the most important part. THE BUS DRIVER BEHIND THE JOKER'S BUS SHOULD HAVE SEEN A BUS DRIVE OUT OF THE WALL IN THE BANK.

[@Cre80s]

Exactly. A problem easily remedied to have had the parade of real buses on an adjacent street just out of sight from the bank disaster, so the other bus drivers would let it in like it just got lost or something.

[@UseroneGaming]

Man, they don’t pay bus drivers enough to not let a fellow bus driver in. Even if he is driving out of a hole in a bank!

[@samipersun9995]

He was in on it. The sixth member who was instructed to leave a gap and to kill themself after they’re not needed anymore. Pure genius that joker fellow.

[@UseroneGaming]

@@samipersun9995 Who the fuck would accept a job where they kill themselves? Money wouldn’t matter at that point.

[@somersfamily]

U forget it's Gotham, they see f up shit all the time, they aren't gonna wanna get involved lol

[@YouLousyKids]

The bus alone is a huge problem: The bus driver has to back into the bank at high speed, despite there being no approach that isn't in a busy street, and he has to drive it backwards at a full 90 degrees to the angle of traffic. His preparing to do the above cannot cause cops or bystanders to get suspicious as they watch and ask, "What the hell is he doing?" The bus has to not be damaged in any critical or visually distinct way as it plunges through doors, wall and glass. It has to not be pinned by the debris, making it hard to leave. The tires cannot be damaged by all the glass. The bus must emerge without difficulty and slip into a gap in traffic without the buses behind it coming to a complete stop. The bus drivers behind it must keep the accelerator steady instead of braking as any responsible school bus driver should as an unplanned bus emerges from a building and slips in and instantly matches speed so that they can form an unbroken line of buses. The bus driver behind it must not get on the radio and call this in, reading off their position and the offending bus' number and license plate.

[@lhumanoideerrantdesinterne8598]

And don't forget that they first needed to procure the bus without raising suspicion, either by stealing it or repairing a wrecked one, adding even more points of failure to the whole operation.

[@darraghd9904]

And nobody can notice the empty school bus covered in debris and smashed windows betwixt two pristine, full busses

[@accidentalmadness1708]

⁠@@darraghd9904do you think the city can afford a new bus every time it gets a little dinged up? That one’s just been around longer.

[@biosaber585]

​@@lhumanoideerrantdesinterne8598mentioned this in another comment, acquiring a bus is.. concerningly easy

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

The plot twist is that the other bus drivers were actually in the crew

[@onionhat745]

Joker had meter-thick plot armor. The laws of reality bent around him to make him more threatening.

[@OutrageIsNow]

The ferry subplot was even worse. They’re evacuating a bunch of prisoners and then a bunch of citizens for fear of the joker’s terroristic threats and they don’t find the many barrels of explosives in the ferries??? Really?

[@Dabang_singham]

The reality bend thing felt real to the audience as they were watching him in IMAX in 2008 also hans Zimmer music was there, so people say that joker felt so much dangerous than other villains so that they thought he can manipulate reallity and he will come out of the screen 😂😂

[@hibby21]

weird it's like it's a superhero movie where the laws of reality are different than ours

[@OutrageIsNow]

@ there’s no common sense in a movie that was touted as being “gritty” and “grounded” and “realistic”? K bud

[@pachicore]

I guess thats why batman fell off his bike after the lorry sequence rather than jumping off and just tackling him down

[@moviehermit5631]

Honestly, Joker coming up with a meticulous plan that goes completely sideways in every possible way and just calling it quits as he runs away cackling to himself feels more Joker-like. It’s tough to see him as an “agent of chaos” if all his plans are so meticulous and require perfect timing and precision on all counts, all leading up to this big philosophical trolley problem with boats

[@za5528]

Yeah, part of the thing with the Joker is that he's more of a reckless thematic agent of chaos that succeeds purely through balls, luck, and assuming the worst of other people ending up being accurate. He has a much higher risk tolerance than any reasonable mastermind because he 100% believes a deeply cynical view of human nature and he doesn't account for self-preservation as part of a plan succeeding. Ofc a lot of it is also just suspension of disbelief from stuff being cool, but it'd be much less interesting thematically if the Joker's plans were actually safe and he wasnt always playing dice with his own life

[@EGRJ]

Joker only said that to mess with Harvey, who believes plans and being good always work out, to point Dent at the Mob as patsies. Also, it would be ironic for Joker to use plans to create anarchy. Like a joke.

[@Dc-alpha]

Which, Ledger's great performance as not Joker aside is why all the TDK and Nolan love in general baffle me. Don't get me wrong, Nolan's movie's are visually stunning and much better than average. I've yet to meet a truly clever one though. That said, despite everyone, myself included finding Begins average at best, until TDK when all of a sudden Begins was genius, it has aged the best of the three.

[@buzzkill808raven2]

chaos is order. order is chaos. its subjective. some say the nazis were order. some say chaos

[@cookingrabbitty]

He should change his name to lucky man. Only his luck that carry him this far.

[@redstar5607]

Part of the Joker's character is that he is supernaturally lucky. Just like Batman can't be explained away with massive wealth, Joker can't be explained away with criminal skill.

[@Benjamin1986980]

If we're going to bring in the DC powers like supernatural luck, you have to also add in the idea that there are no superpowered vigilantes in the area. Chance of not being interrupted by a reporter in glasses being in close proximity to a phone booth, a Greek god being in the neighborhood, a very speedy police officer, or an Air Force pilot with a magic ring. 10%

[@randomjunkohyeah1]

@@Benjamin1986980 That also applies to a lot of the comics as well. There are surely countless DC stories where “wait, why did Superman never show up to solve this?” is a very valid question

[@TheAnimenia]

Youre right but his movie is supposed to be as realistic as possible DC universe

[@Benjamin1986980]

@@randomjunkohyeah1 I did like one time when Grayson was in charge and there was a mass breakout. Something that would cause a Knightfall level boss rush for Bruce, and Dick just calls in some favors and gets both the Titans and the League to swoop in with overwhelming force. Just like his police training says, you never want a fair fight with criminals, call for backup

[@klausstock8020]

@@Benjamin1986980 It's a cloudless day, so at least they cannot light up the bat signal. Wait. The sky is actually completely overcast. I guess the real problem would be "Sorry, sir, we just got robbed by Lex Luthor five minutes ago. There's no money left."

[@enchaetes]

How hard can it be to find a clueless, loyal, homicidal, weapons-proficient, schizophrenic safecracking wizard with zip line experience who won't keep an eye on the guy behind him?

[@ryszakowy]

with current world shenanigans happening right before our eyes? very easy hire some blackwater mercs or wagner group just to be sure

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

I know at least 3 guys like that, and can probably rustle up a 4th by talking to those 3 guys.

[@orimoreau3138]

You got 0 replies because there are none that fit all your requirements

[@RESTeasyrenos]

@@MidlifeCrisisJoe I'll be your 4th.

[@mironaugustynski8870]

According to the film? Super easy, barely an inconvenience 😅

[@cassiopeia21]

Very comprehensive list. One thing that always screamed out to me was how obviously the bus driver behind the bus when it drives OUT of the bank, would call the police and know the numberplate etc. We're supposed to believe a school bus driver will watch a bus drive out of a building, dust and debris falling off of it, and think nothing more about it? Sure Nolan, sure.

[@DespotofAntrim]

Also how did he get a school bus? They can't be that easy to steal...

[@pyropulseIXXI]

It is a movie, you absolute oaf. "Sure, Nolan, sure." lmao, what are you even doing? It isn't hard to switch out plates, and you don't even see what happens after. Also, did you question why a batman even exists? The entire notion is very implausible. We're supposed to believe a billionaire would become a highly trained ninja super hero? Sure Nolan, sure

[@cptmorgan2523]

School busses have big black numbers on them though. Also, the conceit of supers existing is supposed to be the major suspension of disbelief in this genre. If we pile on more suspension because non super elements are straining against what think should be reality (that this Gotham is just Chicago) then the movies foundation falls apart. Just because your movie has magic space wizards doesn't mean the plot has to be a mess.

[@ParikshitMisra]

All the school bus drivers are in on it too.

[@cassiopeia21]

@@pyropulseIXXI 🤣 I guess you don't see the point of the video then.

[@DamnedXtians]

Everybody's talking about the bus behind the Joker calling the cops. What about the entire building of people who just saw two clowns zip-line to the bank roof after drawing their attention by blowing out the window?

[@williameasom2936]

This video points out parts of the scene where witnesses would notice something wrong and call the police. The response I have for that is pointing out that this is in the middle of a work day of a hustling and bustling major city. I'll be the first one to admit that I could easily be too preoccupied in doing what I'm doing to notice anything wrong or even have the desire to call the police if I see something that isn't even involving me.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@williameasom2936 Because it's the middle of a work day, the odds of *no one* noticing anything and calling the cops in the white collar district are pretty much 0

[@freedomjunkie7843]

"911, what's your emergency?" - "I just saw two clowns zip-line into a bank..." - "Sir, this line is for emergencies only..."

[@InfernosReaper]

@@freedomjunkie7843 To be real, they probably couldn't make out the clown part. Still, the utter lack of *any* response to this heist is baffling.

[@williameasom2936]

@InfernosReaper , are you sure though? You have to first notice something without forgetting about it real quick (which is harder to do than you think if you have things to get done). You then have to take the time to call 911 which is something you can forget to do too.

[@mrcrazydiamond420]

I just noticed something.. The last guy who argues with The Joker seems surprised to hear about the bus driver. Does that mean he never even knew about their getaway plan 🤔 Great Video by the way 👍🏼

[@InvagPrune]

It would also explain why he asked the joker if he sas supposed to kill him when his gun was drawn, because maybe he didn't know the getaway plan and thought that the joker would know or that killing the joker would prevent the getaway from being ready

[@bkatbamna]

I view that heist as a choreographed fight in a martial arts movie: It looks impressive as hell but it doesn't look like a real fight would.

[@Galvatronover]

That because real fights end quickly

[@bkatbamna]

@@Galvatronover exactly.

[@prometheus9732]

@@bkatbamnastill entertaining though.

[@bkatbamna]

No doubt.@@prometheus9732

[@katokianimation]

​@@Galvatronover depends. hand to hand combats among avarge people tend to last for 1 and half of a minute then one of the guy is getting gassed out and beaten. If only one of the guy is trained it ends quickly. If both party is trained it could drag out forever before some of them is getting knocked out or tired

[@thorzap1374]

As someone who used to work for UPS on an airstrip, I've handled big bags of money before. A bag of $100s about the size of your average full trash bag are, around, 42lbs. Just wanted to give some context on how heavy those duffel bags would be.

[@VitZ9]

Interesting. I've always wondered how much they'd actually weigh, so thank you. 👍 That's about 20kgs for those of use who don't use Freedom Units. 😆

[@pockeyway]

How much $$ would that be? 42 pounds?

[@RogerCaplan]

@@pockeyway A $100 bill weighs one gram so 42lbs or 19.1kg of $100 bills would add up to $1.91 million.

[@DarkTider]

19:04 - you forgot: "The school bus behind the getaway bus has a phone and calls the police, identifying the license plate of the bus he JUST saw drive out of the bank in front of him, covered in debris"

[@pyropulseIXXI]

He easily could've switched plates

[@bliczb8772]

@@pyropulseIXXI ...Except that this would only make it impossible to track down the origin of the bus. The police would still have the license plates present on the bus at the time of the robbery, and any officer on patrol would be able to compare them with any passing bus.

[@Mr.Guild1971]

Also every bus I was ever in had a radio so ya don't even need the phone factor

[@anaussie213]

Why would they bother calling the police though? How many crashes have you driven past and just decided "I'm calling the police".

[@orimoreau3138]

If he drove out of bak and you also heard a bunch of gunshots? Yeah I'd probably call police, is that sort of thing a regular occurrence in USA for you not to pay attention to it?

[@pll9000]

Thematically, the Joker prays on people's base instincts. From the thieves killing each other to collect their shares, to making two crooks kill each other in "tryouts", to making two boats full of people blow each other up before the other boat does, Joker believes that civilization is skin-deep and seeks to expose what he sees as a fallacy. The thieves themselves say during the heist that if anyone of their own dies, the rest collect his share. Joker probably relied on their greed and let them kill each other. However, professionals don't act that way. Pros operate with military precision. This requires trust. Edit: Corrected spelling on a particular word...

[@alesksander]

And PRO circles you can trust only yourself.

[@Qwertype315]

Fallacy, phallacy means benis

[@awoo21]

yeah exactly. I could honestly easily believe the joker is an extremely experienced criminal and has probably already done lesser jobs with these guys (tryouts) to prove to him that they are selfish enough to kill each other, and greedy and trusting enough based on prior jobs to not question the fact that the joker asks them to kill each other. Basically the only thing thats so dumb it could never work would be the school bus coming in at the exact time and driving it out at the exact right time while also never having anyone call the cops.

[@alesksander]

@@awoo21 I guess. BUt too manny events are timing critical to make this work. I would be ok if they would have inside guys inside banks. Normally huge heist are done that way.

[@olorinistar9903]

That misspelling of fallacy REALLY changes the meaning of the word

[@TheJamesM]

I think people defending the feasibility of the plan are missing the point. I like the film, but the video is absolutely correct: in the real world this would be a terrible plan. But the point of the scene is two do two things, and neither of them are "present a plausible bank heist": 1) Establish the chaotic and nihilistic character of the Joker 2) Be cinematically impressive and exciting From this perspective, all of the choices make sense. In fact, both are specifically served by the improbability of it all: if the plan made too much real-world sense, what would it communicate about the Joker's madness? If he were appropriately concerned about the myriad ways things could go wrong, that would make him feel weak and less competent (though real-world competence includes accounting for potential failure). And if everything were timed with generous margins for error, there wouldn't be the same satisfying clockwork-like construction. This isn't to say that realistic bank heists can't also be exciting; anything but. But they're using a different set of tools to achieve a different purpose. There, the drama is more human; here, it's larger-than-life. The realism of Nolan's Batman films is superficial: it has the appearance of reality, but a lot of stuff is still heightened and a lot of suspension of disbelief is still required (we're still dealing with costumed superheroes and supervillains, after all).

[@Madmax-rz5hz]

The one that makes me scratch my head is that the bus drives out of the bank into a perfectly sized gap in a line of buses. How? We're all the buses working for joker? If so he'd have a lot more accomplices to kill

[@itzwizory9556]

I know the money wasn't the point of the heist, but at that point he probably lost more money via bribes and hired henchmen payments than what he could get from the bank lol

[@bigboi1004]

Well that explains the motive; he needed to rob the bank to recoup the cost of robbing the bank

[@kirklanyoshinaga8953]

@@itzwizory9556considering he burned who knows how many millions of dollars in a pyramid style burning. I doubt he did it for profit. It’s probably the chaos and the clout he received from the heist that motivated him.

[@itzwizory9556]

@kirklanyoshinaga8953 he explicitly said in the movie that he didn't do it for the money, I was just saying that his personal savings must've looked like the combined amount of water on Tatooine after that since he didn't keep any of it.

[@handoko2020]

There is timing into consideration, one when the bus smashed the wall to the time it went out. Joker's bus is obviously not in the bus convoy originally.

[@biotrekker]

The more problematic thing for me is how the Joker gets anyone to work for him when it gets out that he always intended to kill all the people involved in his bank heist and then burns most of the money to boot.

[@pyropulseIXXI]

It isn't like he is making a pattern of doing this; he did both of those things one time

[@Scotty-P]

@@pyropulseIXXI So? The point is, that once it got known, why would anyone else - especially greedy criminal types - take a chance on him not repeating it?

[@overlean1]

@@Scotty-P well they specifically state in the film that joker hires paranoid schizophrenics and the such. So mentally ill people who don't understand or care anyway...

[@Scotty-P]

@@overlean1 How are; or so many, "mentally ill" "paranoid schizophrenics" are answering job notices?! This guys in the first job didn't seem like so either.

[@pyropulseIXXI]

@@Scotty-P Word gets around? It was a single bank heist, and he wasn't running a huge operation; it isn't hard to hire people when you have access to such 'funds,' and there is no pattern of him doing this before, so him hiring people shortly after wouldn't be an issue; people wouldn't even know Joker was behind this so soon And the Joker didn't burn money until the end, after the culmination of his plans, so how the f*ck would 'word getting around' be an issue for him? The movie ends soon after that

[@Zeithri]

I was under the impression that Joker had told everyone in the team, to kill another one. " _If you do, you'll get a higher payout._ " kind of greed thing. Not just two, but everyone.

[@greywolf7577]

Perhaps the original plan was that the safe cracker kills the alarm guy, the bag man kills the safe cracker, the thug in the lobby kills the bag man, the bus man kills the thug in the lobby, and the joker kills the bus man.

[@frankwest5388]

That can’t be it, because that risks him getting shot first. They must agree on a specific order for the betrayals.

[@greenAbbot]

So that’s equivalent to saying “everyone else is going to be trying to kill you”, which is quite possibly the WORST mindset you could give a team. Not to mention that you risk killing someone while they’re still critical path.

[@matthewparker9276]

I think he probably told each of them to kill someone, and when, but also gave them each a seemingly important task to do after they are scheduled to be eliminated, so they think they're still safe for a bit longer.

[@RogerCaplan]

@@matthewparker9276 Except that still wouldn't work. If he just told each guy to kill one other then some of them will talk. If he tells them to kill another member of the team but says "Don't tell anyone I told you this" or something similar then it would be painfully obvious that he's giving the same instruction to multiple team members.

[@A-Atom24]

"Has the appearance of being genius because it is intricate and complex" Is a great way to describe all the classic Nolan films. I still love a lot of them they are a lot of fun, but they're not smart like people think they are

[@bicarbonateofsoda117]

Tenet

[@thesaxon3966]

It doesn't matter what is real, only what people perceive is real.

[@jayBBvid95]

I am a huge interstellar fan, but that Love = Daughter’s bedroom in blackhole was kinda stupid. However I have not and never will be taken out of the movie by that.

[@The_loathsome_Dung_Eater1]

​@@jayBBvid95 Interstellar is a good watch, 8/10. It has some of the problems OP described, though. Not the perfect sci-fi film by far.

[@EdTrollington]

Joker bank-heist is peak mid-wit 110 IQ level of looking smart.

[@Canalus]

It'll all boils down to "how come none of the drivers in the bus row seems to be surprised that one of them just came out of a frigging bank leaving a trail of debris behind it"? "Oh yeah, that's gotta be Joe, he's always crashing into government buildings, lol."

[@gregorymoore2877]

It is Joe. Joe Kerr to be specific. 😉

[@Paradox-es3bl]

Maybe they’re also criminals? 🤷‍♀️ who cares?

[@seewhativescene]

90% of weirdos are going along with useless nonsense that guarantees virginity 100% of the time ​@@gregorymoore2877

[@dark7element]

The easy answer is "the other school buses were also being driven by Joker's men." And then he either killed them too off-screen, or those are the ones who were actually loyal to him.

[@angry_eck]

The busses are very important in that movie twice The joker drives away with a bus

[@allidoisgame1]

You know a suspicious amount about bank robbing

[@klausstock8020]

Next video: "How to upload videos to KZbin from a maximum security prison."

[@1990POE]

GTA

[@bigmoney749]

Excellent analysis but you forgot the first mistake that would’ve red flagged the operation from the start: the zip liners busting out a high story window and showering the sidewalk below with glass. This surely would’ve been noticed and alarmed people before the car even arrives.

[@solomonrichards599]

Should have used a glass cutter, if you ask me.

[@Sleepylevi]

It's just for cinematic effect

[@cottoneyejoe8285]

​@@Sleepylevi Irrelevant

[@nickmf22]

Glass at that height is designed to break inward rather than outward, preventing more accidentsl deaths in the case of a disaster or accident. You're right the glass would alert people but theres a good chance the amount of glass falling would be minimal.

[@EGRJ]

@@nickmf22 I don't think that applies when the force breaking the window is going outward.

[@skaruts]

The chances of a bus actually managing to go through a wall like that are also next to none.

[@Pystro]

I think the bus could easily go through the entrance, it just couldn't do it without leaving the back so mangled that it can't blend into a line of other school buses any more. Note that it's not actually a wall that the bus is going through. It's a set of doors. There's probably less steel framing in that door than in the part of the bus that hits it. The rest of the materials in the door is wood and glass, which don't offer any real resistance once they've cracked. But that's also the problem. I don't think you could smash them up with a bus, no matter how overbuilt the bus is.

[@skaruts]

@@Pystro nah, walls aren't nearly that weak. You can't blow through walls with a vehicle. But even if you could, you'd need quite a bit of speed to blow through a wall. But iirc there's no room outside the building for him to gain speed towards the building.

[@Pystro]

​@@skaruts I've seen reports of vehicles going through a store front from a parking space right in front of it; the good old "driver was in a forward gear instead of the reverse and also confused the gas and break pedal" story. Admittedly that was an all-glass obstacle, where the entrance of the mob bank was a mix of glass and wood and possibly some metal reinforcements against being crowbarred open. And the bank entrance has two layers of those doors. But those were cars, not school buses. A school bus would gain _speed_ at a slower rate than a car (due to it's mass), but due to its more powerful engine it should gain _energy and momentum_ faster than a car. (I've even heard reports of cars going through _brick_ walls, so that _is_ possible; but admittedly only when flying off the road in a fast curve.) You may be right about the lack of acceleration space. We see that the sidewalk on the bank side is about the length of the school bus; then there's 2 driving lanes and a normal width sidewalk on the opposite side. The whole length of the space is about 2 school buses, and since you have to fit the school bus into the space to line it up, your acceleration distance is only about 1 school bus length. I couldn't tell you if that's enough for the bus to make it though. Which is kind of already a big flaw. Either the joker did some preliminary test with a school bus against a similar door, or he did some _very_ impressive research and math, or he was again just lucky.

[@Changeproductions21]

Yesss this always bothered me about the heist, and it's definitely something I was expecting to be mentioned in the video!

[@Changeproductions21]

​@@Pystrogood points, but keep in mind it was also going backwards. So against the flow of traffic from behind, which might fill what little space there is to accelerate as you stop the bus, put it in reverse and line it up... Plus limited visibility, making it more difficult for the driver to actually hit the doors, and not the wall next to them. Also, the doors need to be high enough for the bus to fit under, or else you do run into the problem of bus vs solid stone wall

[@thomasbraithwaite1381]

Also, it's worth pointing out that Joker's plan didn't go exactly as intended thanks to the intervention of the guy with the shotgun, who killed the gunman. In Joker's original plan it's very likely that the gunman was supposed to kill the bagman, and the bus driver was supposed to kill the gunman, since joker mentioned that he's supposed to be the one to kill the bus driver, which would worsen the heists odds significantly since now instead of two people being told to kill an associate, everyone but the alarm guy knows that the Joker is willing to off his crew members mid-heist.

[@sonyyung5510]

I mean the Joker did say, "Do I look like the kind of guy with plan?" So I guess he wasn't lying.

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

Well he has a plan, even here

[@Youngbane1457]

​@@Jonathan-A.C.He has the ability to adjust to other's plan and do things to reach a goal. Not necessarily plans, but contingencies and methods

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

@@Youngbane1457 That’s also true

[@BagOfMagicFood]

He had concepts of a plan

[@AdhamOhm]

Joker needed to have God-level clairvoyance in order for his plans and timing to perfectly work without fail.

[@gamingmoth4542]

Not to mention that once word got out about how the bank robbery was pulled off and how multiple robbers were shot in the back, nobody would wanna align themselves with the Joker and he would never be able to hire any henchmen. Why would someone wanna work as a henchman for someone who has a history of killing off his accomplices just to get a little extra money? They could easily just work for the Mob or Cobblepot.

[@ashleybanks-wm4cg]

Cobb!

[@Haispawner]

​@@ashleybanks-wm4cgIf I was a random thug in Gotham I'd head for the Penguin and his Iceberg Lounge immediately. A really well organized crime syndicate that has used every legal loophole there is to become untouchable by law, and the leader is a smart man who also is relatively stable mentally.

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

In the movie, he doesn’t use too many henchman. Gotham’s a big place too. I could believe it, I think

[@IShowJit]

Shocker! His goons are crazy, not as crazy as him but crazy, so live or die it doesn't really matter

[@ashleybanks-wm4cg]

@@IShowJit this was my whole logic of this seems pretty simple conclusion to me lol

[@menzoberranzan5789]

I did enjoy the video however a few things that stuck out to me is that 1. It was unlikely most people in the bank would be carrying since it was a mob bank, which seems like everyone would be carrying then but for a bank trip it would be highly unlikely they would be carrying as it would be unnecessary as protection is implied as most of the clients themselves would be immune, especially in a day time business like this. 2. I does seem implied that each member of the crew was handpicked, after all it was how Joker could ensure they wouldn't have any problems wacking other members, so the zipline guy would've been handpicked, security systems etc. 3. Although all members of the crew would've been mob connected, it is clear later on that the Joker was banking on the fact that the mob was on the backfoot due to Batman, so the crew would have likely all been stick up crew members who were wanting to avoid Arkham and wanted out after one last big payday.

[@InfernosReaper]

Someone has to put that crew together, though. Someone who will be missed if they disappear. Unless Joker spent *years* as a fixer, it doesn't seem likely

[@linasayshush]

"The Joker's heist has the appearance of being genius because it is intricate and complex and has many twists and turns" Well isn't that just a great description of Nolan's filmography

[@almalone3282]

Tenet

[@Jerry_Gallo]

@@almalone3282 🤮🤮🤮

[@le_fancy_squid]

I remember a quote something like, "A smart man appreciates complexity, a genius appreciates simplicity." Having a plan that would 100% work without fail would show much more intelligence in the planner than a one that needs a million moving pieces to work. It's why machines are quite often designed and redesigned over and over, the less moving parts the better, until they're stripped of every single piece needed. Nolan has a great way of creating the illusion of complexity in his films, and I really do enjoy them, but there are so many glaring issues when looking under the hood. Granted, I couldn't say if I would want this scene to be changed because I really do enjoy it still. I guess when I'm watching it I never take it as 100% serious in terms of these things actually happening, and the only part that truly feels realistic is the aesthetic.

[@Fadexpl]

Interstellar is the best example. None of the actions of none of the characters make any sense whatsoever. But it's complex, so it has to be genius!

[@seewhativescene]

I have percentages on my side that can win any argument %%%%%% ​ %%%%%% @@le_fancy_squid

[@Cre80s]

Holy crap, an idea just popped in my head; wouldn't it have been cool had all these henchmen in fact been depicted as previous criminal masterminds, each with great gifts, and he convinced them all to work together on a job that was really designed to eliminate them, not actually get the money. And they were each one at a time learning this when it's too late, and then the cruel irony be that he ends up actually getting the money too, through luck, and that's how it ends, him laughing at getting such a bonus.

[@kingsadvisor18]

That actually is such a stereotypical Joker moment. He didn't care about the money one bit but walks away with it just out of sheer dumb luck? I can hear Mark Hamill laughing up a storm now

[@Cre80s]

@@kingsadvisor18 You're right, I guess it's an established part of his character to not really want the things he steals to have for himself as much as just take them away from people who want them. But this is a story angle (duping his accomplices in the act) that would have been cool if they thought of it, and it would have made sense that he would want to kill the small fish in the act of conspiring with him all in one big elaborate heist. He could have even mocked them just before killing them with criticisms like the ones here in this review, "you all are so stupid to fall for this" sort of thing.

[@TheWizardGamez]

@@kingsadvisor18 the joker is like an ork. his sheer insanity bends reality

[@jeremytitus9519]

@@TheWizardGamezthe Ork Who Laughs

[@TheFirstCurse1]

This would have been awesome.

[@DondonII]

To be honest this bank heist isn't about the plan. At least it wasn't to me. I just thought it captured Joker's crazy ability to have crime go right for him at almost every turn. Like genuinely this guy set such a strict schedule, robbed a mob bank and nothing went wrong for him. Throughout the film he's an eel covered in oil when it comes to these bs schemes it's hilarious.

[@macnolds4145]

One other major problem that is not mentioned: Joker's plan leaves a ton of evidence behind. There are bodies, masks, clothes, weapons, shells, blood, equipment, tread marks, etc. The scene isn't realistic at all: It's audacious, fun, and a great introduction to the "controlled anarchy" the Joker represents. But it's flawed in countless ways.

[@DrSpaceman42]

Like all Nolan films

[@The_loathsome_Dung_Eater1]

Bank heists are always reckless and dumb nowadays. Almost everyone will get caught if not on the scene then in the getaway that follows. The last bank heists that were successful were done before the 90's.

[@hollywoodgangmerci9744]

Brah it’s not America it’s Gotham city 🤣🤣🤣

[@FlackBackTV]

​@@hollywoodgangmerci9744 Gotham City is in the USA. In fact Gotham is a stand in for New York.

[@bigdapramirez6157]

He wouldn't care though. He's insane and he's stealing from other criminals

[@уронить]

I don’t think Christopher Nolan’s bank heist was meant to show what a planning genius the joker is, but rather to illustrate how completely insane and chaotic he is through the visual storytelling of that actual clusterfuck of a bank heist.

[@tdot2351]

Facts, these comments miss the point. The Joker said it himself, he’s a dog chasing a car. He only cares about one outcome - chaos. We’re not to supposed to over analyze the heist. It establishes how indifferent he is to outcomes, his boldness and his adaptability to changing circumstances.

[@ShoaibKhan-ot9st]

That's exactly what i was thinking. The guy put so much effort is explaining How faulty the Heist was and all these comments are justifying it. But they all missed the point that it's not Money Heist, it's just an introduction to the characteristics of Joker.

[@уронить]

@ yeah bro it’s like he blew up a hospital and burned a pile of money the size of a tractor I don’t think he was that worried about the bank heist 😂.

[@jacobd1984]

I think the flaw in that argument is that the Joker’s plan goes off near perfectly, so to me it doesn’t communicate well that his behavior is chaotic and insane. People have interpreted the scene as showing that he’s a planning genius because he gets almost everything exactly right no matter how improbable. If the plan had gone wrong and he’d come up with over the top, clever solutions on the fly to get things back on track that would sell the idea better. Or if the initial plan couldn’t be salvaged so he came up with an even crazier plan.

[@tdot2351]

@ Coming up with crazier plans demonstrates his chaotic nature. In the hospital scene with Harvey Dent, he tells the audience exactly who is. The plan doesn’t make sense bc it’s not supposed to. The criticism of the heist is ironic bc the Joker himself says he doesn’t plan. If one mayor’s life is threatened everyone goes crazy. If a crazy man pulls of a near perfect heist, it doesn’t make sense. lol that is next level story telling!!

[@jitagan]

Even if a plan like this worked, nobody would ever work with the Joker again.

[@johnselden9257]

To a small bit of my shame, I used to use and sell heroin and other narcotics about 10 years ago. I also was involved in some intense situations. Breaking and entering into certain places for instance. I have experienced what it feels like to be in these situations and let me tell you something about them: The amount of adrenaline that hits you is literally staggering. I mean it physically alters the way you move, the way you think, there is a marked difference in how you experience time, and much more. When it comes to situations like this, unless you and your entire team are absolutely hardened pros who have nothing to lose and don’t fear death/punishment, mistakes WILL be made. So, yes….Joker’s plan is a complete Hollywood farce (still entertaining) because even if he is a genius, his plan relies on unpredictable individuals who he has no clue on whether or not they will fulfill their responsibilities in the exact way he wants them to.

[@DespotofAntrim]

This is a really interesting comment. I think The Place Beyond the Pines depicts some of what you are describing (obviously I wouldn't know). Glad that you don't sell heroin anymore!

[@GarrettLoganGriffin]

I love the way you describe the adrenaline bit. There’s an adrenaline rush, and then there’s fight or flight, and they’re objectively different experiences. I’ve been in some very intense situations where my freedom and life were threatened and when it’s crunch time, it’s like you’re in the most vivid goddamn dream you’ve ever had. There is no pain.

[@johnselden9257]

@@GarrettLoganGriffin Your response made me read my comment again and I realized that I should mention something else. I had a friend tell me that your body gets used to the adrenaline. He was stealing cars every day and running from the cops regularly….he told me that his body got used to the adrenaline. But he also was using meth so I’m not sure how accurate his facts are. I’m sure very experienced people can adapt to the adrenaline or they are used to it. I never got used to it….it always hit me like a freight train.

[@GarrettLoganGriffin]

@@johnselden9257 Same. I’m sure just like any drug, your body can build a tolerance for it if it happens so regularly. But yeah, I guess I didn’t get into enough shit🤣 Aaaaaalways hit me like a ton of bricks, too, bro.

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

It’s the reliance on others that fascinates me. Obviously HE has a plan, that’s the whole point. But to trust those guys is another bridge to cross. Some of it, I could see, but the timing with them is hard to do, especially if he’s not directly on control. I think most of this plan could work (well, at least for a movie), but it’s the small timing with what they do that’s harder to be sure of

[@IronDragon-2143]

Oh boy The Despot is about to grill some sacred cows with this one

[@DespotofAntrim]

Forbidden fruit is sweet.

[@IronDragon-2143]

@@DespotofAntrim Mmmmm I can taste the suffering 😋

[@vicvega3614]

This heist wouldve ended like in Heat

[@marioschulz1135]

You don't make plans out of a movie, you make movies out of plans.

[@papaAJ88]

Nevermind that the bus rammed through a bank wall and yet shows no damage, not even scratches to the paint, and is able to blend in with busses that did not just ram through a bank wall.

[@armorpro573]

Never mind that. What if the bus didn’t crash through the wall properly or the guy simply dodged it? Would he have shot Joker then?

[@Moonstone-Redux]

In a different timeline the bus crushes like an accordion on the bank wall and all Joker could do is go "oh cock" while SWAT rapidly rushes in from the other entrance and fills him with bullets.

[@torikazuki8701]

This scene wasn't the only nonsense. 'The Dark Knight' is entertaining, but the Joker has so much Plot Power that he may as well be magic. A couple minute's thought about almost every major plan of his shows it is impossible to do without having read the script.

[@goukeban6197]

The helicopter scene was always something that bothered me. How the fuck did the joker know not only that the police would send a helicopter flying at a low enough height to set up a trap, but also where to set up said trap?

[@torikazuki8701]

@@goukeban6197 Exactly! And speaking of 'knowing ahead of time' His Demolition of the Hospital is Head-Smashingly retarded. It can take up to MONTHS of highly-trained Engineers to set up a demolition job. Even if we say he doesn't care about 'being neat' (Which he certainly doesn't) it would still take weeks to place the charges well enough so that the building goes down, smoothly or not! And... wait a sec... where did he get the MONEY for all this Hardware? I thought he burned it all. :-/ HE may not care about money, but I can guarantee you his flunkies and the people he does business with certainly do. Lastly, for those random readers stumbling across this- 'The Dark Knight' is a very good movie. Excellent performances, great character work, production values are through the roof... The fact is, with a lesser film, these flaws would render it unwatchable, but Nolan is a master and the Good definitely outweighs the bad.

[@goukeban6197]

@@torikazuki8701 And that was right after pulling off an insane car chase, kidnapping two high-profile individuals AND breaking from the police station!

[@fictiontheorizer4253]

​​@@torikazuki8701For the last complaint he almost certainly took the other half of the thugs money. But there are other questions. How did he rig the boats and warehouses in such a short time? How did no one notice him smuggling explosives on board the boats? How did he play dead so effectively that no one questioned it? And so on and so forth.

[@torikazuki8701]

@@fictiontheorizer4253 Spot On! But, like I said awhile ago, it is due to the excellent performances, high-quality production and Nolan's Masterful Direction that we *Buy* any of that nonsense. At least while watching it. ^_~

[@aquall0323]

16:59 I kept hearing “3-armed masked man,” and was like “which one of em has 3 arms?”

[@kluaoha]

"Do I really look like a guy with a plan?"

[@seewhativescene]

More than half the Country voted for a joker with ten years of shitty experience and a "concept of a plan"

[@EGRJ]

@@seewhativescene Are you people bots or shills who have to make *everything* about Trump? Or are you just that insufferable?

[@EGRJ]

Almost like he was a liar.

[@ogom-io3rb]

This scene perfectly shows how the rule of cool is one of the most important elements in any story, as despite the fact it absolutely should not have worked nobody actually cares and calls it genius because it entertains us well.

[@cirnet]

not to mention - the rear of the bus would be SUPER mangled up after tearing through the doors like that, and now you're driving an extremely recognizable getaway vehicle

[@Spudcore]

You highlighted something that has always bothered me with Nolan's films. Yes, they're slick, cool and entertaining, absolutely. However, they are not gritty, grounded or realistic in any way. They are pure fantasy. There's nothing wrong with fantasy, just don't try to convince me that your Super Soaker is a TEC-9.

[@Galvatronover]

No the Batman films are not fantasy

[@Spudcore]

@@Galvatronover I'm not talking about genre.

[@zonatedspore97acamas]

​@@Galvatronover science fiction at best kid. Cope.

[@ultralightpablo]

Agreed.

[@chorizoramen93]

LMAO that last line was gold

[@yellowgut]

The last Skit was hillarious!!😂😂😂

[@Cre80s]

LOL! Yes!😂😂

[@kaczan3]

Frick that, don't be such a frigging scaredy-cat.

[@Dylan-uf7uf]

So, seemingly nobody has mentioned one of the most crucial parts the heist: how the crew somehow AVOIDED ALL THE MARKED RADIOISOTOPIC BAT-MONEY?!!

[@goblincomic4522]

Those are mobster money . They won't mark the bill . That mob bank

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

Something that bugs me is the part later with Joker taunting the guy until he goes for him. People dealing with psychopaths are specifically trained and taught to ignore them. Like, the thing about psychopaths at the level where they need to be locked away is that they're extremely predictable, to the point where if you know how to handle them they're basically harmless. So, the police officer assigned to watch Joker would have been fully aware of everything he would say and prepared to ignore him. Like, someone would have said "Hey man, just si you know, he's a psychopath. He's definitely gonna bring up the dead cops to get to you. Are you prepared for that?" For reference, I knew a guy who was a security guard in a hospital who had to watch a psychopath. The guy killed his wife and baby, so his shift would be hours of the guy saying "I killed a baby? Do you want to hear me describe her death to you? PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!" He said that even just doing one shift made him pretty numb to the crap psychopaths say.

[@SoggyMs]

How does this ridiculous comment have 48 likes lol? Bro just spouting made up nonsense. "Psychopaths are actually really predictable" ok buddy

[@MA-rf6bu]

The Joker is not a traditional psychopath, he’s very clever and self aware of his actions and emotions. He’s more like an extremely depressed realist rather than mentally ill.

[@osmanyousif7849]

You know it’s ironic that Christopher Nolan states that the inspiration for the bank heists was from the several heists that occurred in the movie Heat (1995). Except for those who’ve actually seen Heat, you would know that the reason why that movie’s heists work is because there was way better planning, but still more casualties when things would backfire on McCauley and his crew.

[@mandalorian_guy]

The Heat crew were also extremely competent with the core members being loyal to each other and even they failed during the final heist because the last minute replacement driver was taken out by a lucky shot. One random setback can still lead to disaster and cascade to total failure.

[@seewhativescene]

Sighhhhhh🤦‍♂️the movie's title references the amount of attention from the police that led to their downfall ​@@mandalorian_guy

[@niranjankolur6317]

The joker is an unstable man who wants his pain to end, he’d never care enough even if he got killed

[@Bozothcow]

You know, the bank heist in Heat is a good example of a heist that should be successful, but elements totally beyond your control just mess ya up sometimes.

[@AngryBootneck]

Always entertaining Despot.. I think the biggest problem with the jokers plan is guaranteeing the bloke you are supposed to kill via bus through the wall is going to be stood exactly where he needs to be when it turns up. I can't get a bus when I stand at a stop! 🤣

[@mr.nuggies3087]

Well i think the jokers plan was to actually kill him some other way but when he pulled a gun on him he knew bus would arrive near the guy, so if you look in the scene, joker starts moving which also makes the other guy move which puts him in the right place

[@VitZ9]

I completely agree with everything you said in this video. That said... perhaps the Joker likes the plan because he knows it has a high chance to fail? If he is truely as chaotic as people like to say that is, even if it makes no sense for the plot. 😅 As for nobody reporting anything, Gotham in TDK is basically a more apathetic, modern New York. Where nobody cares about anything or anyone, and the city motto is "Be quiet, don't say nothing, and mind your own damn business." 😆 However in other Batman media, like the 90's films, animated series, and the Penguin show, I always got the impression that the citizens of Gotham basically live in fear at all times. Reporting anything to the extremely corrupt police will get you a fitting for cement shoes with the mob, or whichever villian you informed on.

[@s3.14dervision]

There's an old saying: three may keep a secret if two of them are dead.

[@robertromero8692]

Something people who believe in a JFK conspiracy never bother to think about.

[@s3.14dervision]

@@robertromero8692 TRUTH!

[@NostalgicGamerRickOShay]

18 critical witnesses of the JFK assassination all ended up dead within a few years and only two of them were natural deaths.

[@S.D.323]

@@robertromero8692 or like any conspiracy theory pretty much

[@ericmcmanus5179]

The thing that never made sense to me was simply that when the bus gets out of the bank and gets in line with the other busses, don't you think the bus behind the jokers bus would have radioed in saying "umbrella, this bus ahead of me just came crashing out of a bank and there's only 1 man in a mask inside. I think this may have been a robbery."

[@ryszakowy]

same logic as the video bus could not have a radio, bus could not have a working radio joker bolted at the first turn other crew members on bikes could have taken money joker used the time it took police to go from bus to bus to jump into a sewer and so on

[@WindowLickingDeer]

​@@ryszakowy Bus driver thinks to radio in, then thinks "that armed man in that bus in front of me also has a radio. Maybe I shouldn't risk my life."

[@immortalsofar5314]

I'm impressed by how little damage a school bus sustains after driving through the wall of a bank. Even the indicators are fine.

[@Hawbitten]

This is way the Dark Knight never clicked with me. It tries to look super realistic and down to earth, but the plot needs the Joker to basically be able to see the future. Something you wouldn't see in most far less "realistic" versions of the character. I like more stylied takes on Batman more for this reason. More room for suspension of disbelief. If you want see a movie that does a good job showing the pitfalls of trying to do the perfect crime? The Killing by Stanley Kubrick. It's one of the best written movies of all time.

[@DespotofAntrim]

I've never seen the Killing. I will definitely watch it. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@AppleOfThineEye]

@jasonvoorhees5640 Say what you want to say, bRuH.

[@AppleOfThineEye]

@jasonvoorhees5640 I meant what I said, KiD.

[@AppleOfThineEye]

@jasonvoorhees5640 Sounds like projection to me. 😂😂😂😂

[@SammEater]

This is why I like the Batman Arkham continuity, it is just the perfect blend of cartoonish and serious that works better for a character like Batman than a full on "realistic" take on its characters.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

This was a thorough analysis, and I'm glad you included the clip of the expert explaining what requirements are necessary for success. I have not seen this movie, but of course the robbery plan is completely and ridiculously over the top. The instant a new boss who has hired me for contract work tells me when the job is done, I should kill a particular colleague, whom I don't know yet, I would immediately assume that the boss has told somebody else to kill me. That's kind of a dealbreaker for me. Your points about installing the zip line, and then actually using the zip line, are well taken. How can the Joker be certain that his employees will be able to carry out the plan under pressure? It may sound doable, and the crew may be eager, but when in the real world, any number of variables can pop up. Expecting everybody to stay cool, calm and collected and to carry on executing the plan as previously discussed is taking a big chance. Ask anybody who has never acted before how they felt going up on stage in front of an audience and saying the lines just like in rehearsal. Ask a police recruit, who completed all mandatory training of the most dangerous situations in a training environment, how to confront the real thing on his first day on the job. In both cases, it can happen that the person is overwhelmed, feels the fight, flight or freeze response, and is unable to do what they did in training or rehearsal. Since the Joker doesn't know these people, how can he rely on them to carry out the plan? Just wondering: several times you mentioned one of the variables might be "an off-duty cop who wants to be a hero" or "a man who wants to assert his masculinity after decades of sitting at a desk job". It sounded like you were sneering at them but I may have misunderstood that. I would think anybody who is trying to intervene is voluntarily putting themselves in a life and death situation in order to stop a violent crime in progress, and the potential the same criminals have for further violence after they leave the bank. The other option would be for the would-be intervener to decide he'd rather not risk his life and hide behind furniture instead while calling 911. Which is probably also a valid choice. Thanks for the video!

[@DespotofAntrim]

I wasn't sneering at anyone, but I wouldn't encourage anyone to risk their life to save a bank's insurance company from a loss. If it was your house, the bank would happily wash the money stolen from it. Interesting comment about fight or flight, I was just thinking that the zipliners would take one look out that window, think 'Yea, fuck that.' and take off, end of heist.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

@@DespotofAntrim no, you are quite right! Risking one’s life to help the bank not to lose money is not the best idea. Do you watch the channel “pitch meetings?” The screenwriter guy will say he wants a particular scene to unfold a certain way. The producer guy will say, but that’s extremely dangerous and there’s no way that could succeed. And screenwriter guy will say but it will look cool and exciting in the trailer so people will come and spend money to watch the movie. So producer guy will say great, let’s do it! This is probably a very accurate representation of what goes on in Hollywood. I always enjoy your videos very much. Thank you!

[@derricklewis497]

Id sneer 2. Why risk innocent life over insured and tainted money? By someobe escalating the situation. Just observe the situation until it's over and try and find the culprits later?

[@direktive4]

even if someone called 911 seeing a bus in an accident, they and the operator may just initially assume they'd need EMS sent over, not the cops

[@Cre80s]

Exactly. This very thought was blaring in my head when watching that very Joker bank heist. It wasn't an exhibition in criminal genius but a hailstorm in lucking out. And it's amazingly effective comparison between those two different heists. A moment of devil's advocacy, I think comic book movie villains fare better in film to keep the spirit of comicbook universe absurdity. Make things TOO realistic and it strangely is less entertaining, at least how I see it. I still think the idea that Joker wanted to not share the gains and not risk having any henchmen that can rat him out could have just simply happen in a simple way AFTER the job is done, not DURING it. A "post robbery shocker," blowing up the bus full of them celebrating afterwards, etc. It also would make Joker look smarter, look more appealing to future henchmen to work with him because nobody knows he killed any before. 4:04 "You can maximize your luck with preparation and experience." Well, more specifically, you can minimized your need for luck or susceptibility to bad luck with them.

[@ashen-one--x]

critical success point #7: dont decaptitate yourself driving a dirtbike into the back of a box truck check

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

To be fair, that might fall under "expertise with a dirt bike".

[@ashen-one--x]

@@LloydTheZephyrian just jokin around. scary though though xD

[@RichardPoffIII]

One major thing I’m surprised wasn’t mentioned was the fact that Joker said “no no I kill the bus driver” saying it like the bus driver is the ONLY man he plans to kill directly, and then the bagman is killed by the bus going through the wall and hitting him, implying that joker’s plan is to lure the bagman to stand at exactly the right spot he wants him to to be hit by the bus. Even assuming the bus arrives at exactly the right time, the things that could go wrong with this are: The bagman doesn’t stand at the right spot. As the joker is moving out of the way of the bus’s intended arrival point, the bagman either threatens to shoot him if he keeps moving or just kills him right there for moving. The bus loses it’s momentum due to the fact that it rammed through a door, and as a result the back of the bus doesn’t make it far enough into the bank to hit the bagman, and so the bagman kills the joker, then kills the driver, loads the money and makes a break for it. The worst part is that all of the problems I just listed entirely unneccessary to the Joker achieving his goals. It would be so much easier and more efficient for the joker to kill the bagman using the good old “shoot him” technique. But no, he decides to throw in the unnecessary wrinkle of manipulating the bagman to stand in the right spot to get hit by the bus just for craps and giggles and so Nolan can set up the bus with a cool one liner. And I know terrorism for craps and giggles is the joker’s thing, but still. Also, the fact that the bagman said “what bus driver” means that the crew clearly didn’t know about the bus, meaning the joker had to have given them a false version of the getaway plan. I don’t know what false getaway the joker gave the crew, but it had to be airtight with no holes in the story, especially if the safecracker and bagman get suspicious after being ordered to kill another crew member and therefore start dissecting each part of the plan the joker gave them.

[@perianudan-claudiu2495]

A police helicopter would easily identify the bus that has debris on the roof. You would also expect a lot of mobsters in the vicinity of their bank . Places like cofee shops , money exchange , newspaper stands . All being armed , especially in Gotham . The criminals could have been recruited from outside of Gotham , maybe people who are inclined to kill , not really to rob (but they would be less experienced) . The theft plan may not have been disclosed until one hour before starting it (but it's harder to tell them who to kill) . Taking the money out of the safe was laughable , you need at least 3-4 guys . Btw I find the next movie even worse in terms of criminal motivation and planning . You can excuse this scene as it might have happened somewhat different (criminals being killed only after loading the cash etc).

[@NostalgicGamerRickOShay]

Yes, Bane's plan can also go wrong in a million different areas and yet miraculously doesn't. And it's impossible for a Wall Street heist to work because electronic transactions cannot go through because the rich have installed failsafe to prevent that.

[@VogtTD]

Right. And how fast do you think they can scramble a chopper?

[@grunkleg.2934]

Obviously the Joker just has a +300 Luck modifier. That or Gotham City residents are just so used to crime, they can witness a school bus drive out of a bank with debris falling off it and everything and think nothing of it. At least that may be the case in a comic book

[@thesaxon3966]

"I don't get paid enough to snitch"

[@matane2465]

His prison escape plan was even dumber.

[@brettsmith5903]

The place Beyond the pines is actually the same exact plan the most successful bank robber ever used. Except he did it alone.

[@rh_BOSS]

And the biggest problem with that plan isn't the chances of crashing your motorbike going up as the number of getaways increases. But the fact that the moment they exhaust all other leads the police will inevitably start to simply look into competent riders within the area.

[@1stCallipostle]

​@@rh_BOSS In general though, robberies are a game of statistics Every factor's odds of failing rapidly increase with more repititions Getting away more than twice is a marked miracle regardless of plan

[@bliczb8772]

You know, the point about vault having a second gate reminds me - in Payday 2, a game that has a lot to be desired in terms of... Everything (janky AI, glitches up it's bum, list goes on), one of the first heists you'd likely do in it is Harvest and Trustee branch. The heist can be done both in stealth and loud, depending on whether or not guards and civilians will be disposed of in quickly enough. Now, despite gang consisting of 20+ people, the jobs are handed and controlled by their mastermind, Bain, who never shows up his face (aside from one occassion, but getting to the context behind it would take too long, plus it's not really that relevant to the point), is hiding in a remote location, and uses bunch of IT wizardry to hide his traces, so realistically, he's the one that has the least risk involved, but like you said, it's not 0% (which does bite him in the ass eventually). The heist itself is carried out by a team of 4 (allowing for a 4 player co-op). Now, in game, nobody is going to snitch, but if you really want to add the odds, you can do so. Funnily enough, the odds of someone not being experienced at their task can be applied at the leisure. Equipment and skills might also vary, so we can add that (someone might not bring silenced weapon, or someone might not have faster lockpicking, etc). And once we're past the human element, we can move onto what really sets Payday apart - RNG. Each heist in the game has a set of variables that can play out during the heist - be it small things, like additional loot in deposit boxes, but it can be also major, like placement of key items, vault, or security room. On aforementioned Harvest and Trustee, security room can either be in a remote area that is easy to crack without someone noticing, or it can be in view of the civilians currently present in the bank. The bank manager might carry the keycard on him to allow for easier access to security room, or it might be in his office instead. The placement of cameras can be different, guards and civilians, etc. Some doors in the backdoor might be open because a bank employee went to take a smoke, or they might be closed and you'll need to use the lockpick. And then, when opening the vault door, the vault itself either will or will not have another gate that needs to be drilled, taking more time. And all that is just one of the more basic heists, yet there are variables in the way that make your job easier or harder. Then again... Games do allow for more versitility when it comes to something like that.

[@henkhenkste6076]

nice wall of text...

[@godfrey4461]

Wall of text with little substance. Also Payday 2 goes hard. No clue what you're on.

[@TheMissinLink]

what the tism

[@botpenn4672]

​@@godfrey4461 OP's trying to say Payday 2's heists would be extremely difficult to pull off in real life. there's way too many luck factors, even in stealth

[@BreadAccountant]

You know the heist analysis is going to be good when you have a Northern Irishman breaking it down. /s (loved the video from the republic)

[@samsnead7]

Also, think about the 2 scenes where both the hospital and the ferry were packed with explosives in an incredibly short amount of time. The hospital was completely destroyed. How did nobody see this when someone had to go in a place that is packed with people 24/7 like the hospital, AND NOBODY NOTICES!

[@Kenionatus]

Like everything, it's turned up to 11 because of movie logic, but sneaking into places where you're not supposed to be and doing things you're not supposed to do isn't that unrealistic if you wear a hazard vest and carry a ladder. If someone questions why you're drilling holes into the walls in the hospital's basement, it's because you're doing electrical work.

[@volrag]

They say the Joker has no super powers, clearly he has the best HR department in all of fiction.

[@Trash2000s]

That still isnt a power. He does have a pwer tho. Super human sense of timing.

[@MrGBH]

How did the bus reverse up the stairs to the bank with enough speed to not only get through the doors, but also kill the bagman? Especially with all the traffic we saw outside?

[@EllieRose-p2l]

I'm questioning this as well

[@jacklawsen6390]

Nolan's movies aren't actually realistic, they're fantastical but with realistic styling.

[@Collofkidseditz]

Yeah like how Bane can punch with the force of a car

[@A10_Warthog]

@@Collofkidseditz Bane gets his super-strength from the Venom steroid. That's why he's always wearing that respirator.

[@Collofkidseditz]

@@A10_Warthog Not in Nolans movies, the Respirator just feeds him pain reducing gas

[@kwayneboy1524]

​@@Collofkidseditzthey should've just said he was om steroids to help his body.

[@shanemorris7829]

I always thought this was a silly scene. Especially the bus seemlessly driving down the steps and blending into the other buses. What was the bus driver directly behind the Joker's bus thinking when they saw this?

[@newperve]

Particularly when you consider the wreck the back of that bus would be. And he had a radio.

[@javieralejandrogauna5078]

You miss the part when Joker starts singing with Lady Gaga

[@WelshBoyUSA]

I can’t believe I’m found you this early in your KZbin career Ives been watching all your videos for 2 days now laughing uncontrollably. Thanks from LA. I’m surrounded by these idiots and I’ll be using some of the stuff you’ve said to them. Thank you keep going

[@DespotofAntrim]

Thanks Chinley. I'm glad you are finding the content useful.

[@mikkelkolind2560]

This is way too generous. In round numbers, there is a 0% chance of a school bus gaining sufficient momentum or achieving the angle displayed in the movie while driving backwards through the outer wall of a bank. This plan is as likely to succeed as your winning lottery ticket being struck by lightning (thrice) while you’re playing poker with Jesus during a snowstorm in hell on a Sunday in a leap year-while your twin stepsister is stuck in the dryer.

[@petermj1098]

The entire point of this opening and his characters is that he causes chaos with people and revels in it. Yes he plans stuff but he loves to improvise when things go chaotic.

[@Rage-_-Quit]

Also counting on the guy standing right where the bus will be with his back turned towards the entrance so he won't see it coming, meaning he must also have calculated the guy becoming aware and holding him at gunpoint at that exact moment.

[@greywolf7577]

Never once have I seen the phrase "twin stepsister" in a sentence before. Good job.

[@abyssalpaladin5006]

The video does a great job pointing out how statistically and logically improbable it is for this heist to be carried out in a realistic setting but this also takes place in Gotham city in a time where police are getting their bonuses as hush money from the mob so response times being quick from the tax wasting police department that is more inclined to imprison the bat themed vigilante of the city than to clean out the thriving criminal underworld in their city is very unlikely, I don’t know why people would think the Joker is criminal mastermind, personally I thought it was a given that everyone that watched the movie understood that he was successful because he was an insane sociopath in a society that unwittingly rewarded that type of behavior, his erratic and spontaneous planning was stupidly efficient because you couldn’t predict the actions of the joker, sure you could with enough time figure him out but what made the joker such an effective villain is that he gave you no time to breathe, in the duration of the movie he goes on to blow up a hospital and take a whole ferry boat hostage without much resistance and as unrealistic as it may be this can be easily explained by the apathetic mentality that was slowly devouring the city where the mob and the police are just two sides of the same coin, the joker’s strength was as the movie described was that he was ahead of the curb, he was so crazy only the Batman would mess with him, all the mob bosses met with him face to face and despite him burning their money after hitting their bank they still wouldn’t retaliate, but yes, it was a stupid heist that only the joker would be crazy enough to attempt and it only worked because it happened in Gotham, a setting so specifically full of corruption that nobody would care such a heist was carried out so it feels weird to praise an objective analysis of a heist planned by a madman more interested in showmanship than practicality after all “it’s not about the money, it’s about sending a message”

[@PelemusMcSoy]

12:09 I know I'm an overzealous accountant...but I'm not currently in a midlife crisis.

[@shugobhastudios]

What movie is that?

[@PelemusMcSoy]

@@shugobhastudios My own life. =D

[@mariodoni8346]

Very well put togheter and entertaining video. I also thought the plan was implausible to say the least. A justification for this could be that Joker sees himself as an agent of chaos and anarchy with little or no concern for his personal safety. Many times in the movie he offers his life to his enemies just to make the point that "there is no point". That aspect of the character made me suspend my disbelief on such a wreckless plan.

[@MrHimyhimy]

You know what? I’m an English that LOVES this movie. I’ve used it like 15 times in lessons and by the 10th time something started to feel really off about this ‘plan’, like everything needs to be so well timed and go exactly as ‘planned’ for it to work, this video hits my algorithm and confirms all of my suspicions. Amazing.

[@AlfredoPuente8]

Joker has the superpower of reading the script to be a sure the bus driver is going to run over the guy who suddenly decided he wanted to kill the Joker but not instantly, just after have a small talk with him.

[@syd4952]

Not to mention school bus drivers all have CB radios and would immediately start asking the other drivers in the line who is driving that one random bus covered in dust who just barged into the school convoy.

[@dannyturkian9083]

I love your analysis, but the ending is what really makes this video great.

[@chriper77]

I only discovered this channel tonight. Now this is my 4th video and it's 5am. I need to sleep lol But awesome content 👏

[@DespotofAntrim]

Lol, please do not allow my channel to interfere with your sleep. Thanks for watching!

[@Gemini-Lion]

People are mentioning how the bus driver behind Joker’s bus would notice, but with the kind of timing necessary, all buses in front of his would drive past a bus sticking out of a hole in the wall of a bank.

[@DOCTORKHANblog]

You really have a hard on against people stopping bank robberies.

[@AlphaCentauri24]

Finally someone says it. I was ok with huge suspension of disbelief for cinematic purposes in the joker scene but when each thug starts killing the next one I called BS on writing. Thankfully Heath Ledgers legendary performance in the remainder of the movie made me forget that nonsense.

[@DespotofAntrim]

It's ridiculous that this movie has a 'grounded, gritty and realistic take' reputation. I don't even think that's what Nolan was going for. He knows this stuff is comic book nonsense.

[@jotun.616]

Dont forget one of the biggest flaws, that will CERTAINLY ruin it is that hes relying on the actual bus drivers to not call in that they just saw a bus pull out of a bank right into their line of buses.

[@pashadanilov3490]

Dude, sayonara wildhearts music on the background? I'm glad someone recognizes this masterpiece, you're getting my phattest like man

[@Lethal_Spoon]

an idiot admires complexity a genius admires simplicity

[@downtoearth6252]

So im a genius wow

[@klausstock8020]

@@downtoearth6252 So you're not a J2EE developer....

[@archangelofsorrow]

9:07 you'd be right nearly anywhere, but gotham.

[@MaxMiller94]

“But Gotham“ is basically the answer to 90% of this video

[@WillRock07]

The bus is particularly ridiculous. The scene shows he has to do a right turn out of the bank into a busy main road after sitting there "inconspicuously" for about 2 minutes. However, he REVERSES FROM THAT ROAD INTO THE BANK. How do you even do that? The only way he could do this would be to drive past the bank on a busy main road, stop, and put it into reverse to go back into the bank at a sharp left turn, almost like he intended to do a 3 point turn and fucked it up by going rear end into the entrance of the bank and just sits there while no one notices. The road would have to be empty to pull this off. If there's a car behind him, he can't reverse. Also, I always loved the idea that one of the many bank employees might not be able to hold on for dear life and "Boom". That would probably cause some extra chaos to ensue, depending on the size of the explosions.

[@Nr4747]

The Joker's bank heist has the exact same problem that Bane's escape has: It makes absolutely 0 sense and relies entirely on massive amounts of sheer dumb luck. The only (big) difference is: It makes (potentially, a little) sense for the Joker, a force of nature-villain to have a chaotic non-plan for a bank heist - it makes absolutely no sense for Bane (who is supposedly really smart and thought his escape through) to go for his escape plan.

[@athenamax345]

20:38 yes it a very cooulgh scene

[@CJM305]

Also the fact that the school bus behind him in line wouldn’t see that a bus just pulled out of the bank and call the cops.

[@davesmith7432]

Agreed. The jokers plan still beats Oceans Eleven.

[@laganas2008]

Turn to channel 88.

[@liamstrack]

7:35 "So you're telling me there's a chance?"

[@DespotofAntrim]

My math was actually wrong on the fraction, it's roughly a 1 in 2000 chance.

[@areyousureaboutthat6673]

​@DespotofAntrim "So you're telling me there's a chance!"

[@beleva09]

Wow! Im more in awe with Joker than ever! Just think of the odds he beat with this heist, just incredible!

[@Antanana_Rivo]

​@@DespotofAntrimwas about to correct you ob that one

[@LucaBovelli]

I disagree with the conspiratorial integrity part. One thing about the Joker you haven’t taken into account is that he is… well, the Joker. People are afraid of him so they just do whatever he tells them to in order to stay alive. He probably has a whole cult of goons that are so deeply manipulated to follow him like a god anyway, so this also eliminates the problem of finding people without mon connections.

[@AiluropodaPanda]

The part that gets me is that the bus sustains no damage while ramming into the bank lobby.