Was the Story of Prophet Muhammad’s First Revelation Plagiarized from Saint Bede?

[@AlMuqaddimahYT]

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[@Uzair_Of_Babylon465]

Zubayr ibn al-Awwam RA was also prophet Muhammad first cousin from Zubayr ibn al-Awwam RA mum

[@calebzeman3818]

Arey bhikaari, tujhe apni bakwaas hagne ke liye logon se bheek chahiye , jaahil. Qur'an tujhe poetry laga, kyo ke tumne jahil mulla, mufti and so called self proclaimed islamic scholars jo hadees ko Qur'an se bada darja dete hain aise mujreemoon se tumne seekha aour wahi tum apne muh se hagg rahe ho

[@botanicalitus4194]

"There was a time that brits didnt cause trouble where they went" Oh how I wish that remained to be true throughout history XD

[@hedgehog3180]

This was before the invention of package holidays after all.

[@GanzotheSecond]

@@hedgehog3180 and colonialism

[@125discipline2]

Those to whom We gave the Scripture recognise him (Muhammad) as they recognize their sons. But verily, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it. (Quran: 2:146)

[@harharharharharharharharha240]

Ameen ❤

[@Gondal_Fan]

This video completely destroys Quran by explicitly calling out the various sources feom which different stories of Quran are collected from. Weirdly ur response is to quote some stupid sentence from the same quran. I guess this again confirma that Muslims are retarded

[@samuelmithran5586]

NOpe...MOmo is a pdfile

[@SawsanYasen-nu5vo]

​@@samuelmithran5586no,u

[@_David001]

@@samuelmithran5586 your source is a book that you can't read nor confirm to be true? 🤣

[@AlMuqaddimahYT]

The Qur'an doesn't say that it has no poetry. It merely says that it wasn't written by a poet and that Prophet Muhammad wasn't a poet. This was to discredit the allegations that Prophet Muhammad was composing it himself. As Muslims believe the Qur'an is the word of Allah, no mere human poet. It doesn't mean that the Qur'an doesn't have what can be called poetry. The Meccan chapters of the Qur'an are very much poetic with rhyming sentences, metaphors and all the other tropes of poetry.

[@mostafaahmednasr621]

I mean true but the verbose is unmatched with any other poem that to classify them using the same label is in my opinion quite disrespectful. For the Quranic Arabic and text exists within its own sphere within Arabic I also believe as Muslims we should stay away from treating the contents of the Quran in academic matter, as it does not require academic analysis in a secular sense or labelings that will inevitably demean it. The study of the Quran is a subject on its own right that follows a different methodology as prescribed by Islamic scholars.

[@jujun126]

But it doesn't qualify as a 'poetry' just because of rhymes or saj'. classical arabic poetry has a set of metre and prosody that need to be satisfied for something to be called as a poem. And quran, with all of it's saj' doesn't comply with these metres and cannot in the true sense to be called as a form of poetry, it is a pioneer and a unique literary genre of its own.

[@SyedAhmedJaved]

@@AlMuqaddimahYT With all due respect, scholars classify the Noble Qurʾan as a distinct branch of Arabic literature, separate from poetry, even through many verses may be rhythmic.

[@سيلفرالسبستي]

That's not however what you said, you made the lie that stories got into the quran from myths and such, not from God, disregarding the sources that explain how they got there, all to make an accusation. Are you even muslim with this kind of doing

[@rubeelnawaz921]

Having rhymes doesn't mean it is poetry

[@BarlasofIndus]

One correction: Az Zubair didn't die in battle with Battle of Camel. Midway through the battle, he recieved several calls from army of Ali ibn Abi Talib to change sides, which is said to have made him doubt his decisions. He ,however, left the battlefield midway the battle refusing the fight any further on either side. He and few of his companions went to a nearby city in the region,where he was assassinated in a mosque during prayer

[@Bundpataka]

I’m pretty sure there are conflicting narratives around the political events of the Rashidun caliphate, so he may be drawing on a different chronology of events

[@GanzotheSecond]

the ancient/medieval world was far more interconnected than most modern people think it was. one of my favorite things about history are those stories of odd encounters or borrowings you might not expect

[@MrHazz111]

Beautiful production value man. The animations, music switching, all top notch.

[@sulaiman3128]

I’ve been waiting for this for a while! I was first introduced to the Caedmon dilemma in a second year English literature class at university. Bede was assigned reading that I forgot to do, but I think it made for a better encounter when I heard the professor recount the story orally. You mentioned the Cædmon problem in a previous video and I’ve been subscribed since then waiting on you fulfilling your promise to talk about the topic. Despite having looked at much of the scholarly literature myself at this point, and having come to similar conclusions, this was very entertaining and well structured! Awesome work! P.S. Since it has oddly become an object of contention in the comments here, perhaps an idea for a future video could be a discussion on why some people are so afraid to refer to a work that is comprised largely of poetry, poetry. Maybe even discuss iconoclasm towards art in modern Islamic civilization more generally.

[@M1187-t6b]

I didn't understand how we came about the conclusion, why are we amagining and assuming that there was a greater source source out of thin air?! Altough it never existed. The easiest and more logical explanation is that english pilgrims to palestine heard the story around 640s or after, and incorporated into their work later on. They don't have to take that story from Orwa or Ibn Ishac. I think we are missing an important point, the story of Iqra probably existed among other arabs in the levant and the english men took it from someone else without the need to hear it from the above 2 muslim figures. Just because these stories reached us through Ibn Ishac, doesn't mean that he was the only one who knew about it at the time

[@erdolf28]

Good point

[@SyedAhmedJaved]

27:36 Ibn ʾIshāq did *not* plagiarize the story because the narration he reported was directly transmitted through earlier Muslims.

[@AmmanAbbasi-cb9lq]

Was he not the first to record it

[@SyedAhmedJaved]

@@AmmanAbbasi-cb9lq so? He did not make it up on his own, but narrated through his teachers who narrated through theirs, and this going to the Prophet ﷺ himself. This is how every Ḥadīth works. Writing was not the only way Aḥādīth were transmitted, as action and narration through generations was also a source.

[@RRaly]

plagiarize or not this kind of story of angel visiting a certain person was nothing new in the middle ages . so it could be just a co-incident

[@joshygoldiem_j2799]

Can I just say as well, when you hear about a Muslim discussing this, you'd imagine them to be polemical about it; but you are very much analytical about it. You don't make yourself sound pushy, you just exhibit what you've found. And that's why 233,000 people respect you.

[@afzalshahid3884]

Is he a Muslim because he kept saying the Prophet name without "peace b upon him".

[@youtubeaccount3230]

@@afzalshahid3884yes

[@Gondal_Fan]

@@afzalshahid3884Also he seems like a rational person so I doubt he is muslim too

[@kuhabazak]

​@@Gondal_Fanlol 😂 kāfir talkin bout rationality, peak comedy

[@BasedKungFu]

@@kuhabazak referring to people as kafir undermines your supposed rationality.

[@CB66941]

I came here from your collabs with channels like Religion for Breakfast. So hello! I think the idea that the tropes came about which then led to certain literature being written and then a source or similar sources made their way to both places is quite fascinating. I've been following some biblical scholarship and iirc in the New Testament, you can also find similar tropes to Greek stories (especially since the New Testament is written in Greek). Also, as you went on with the tale, I kept thinking of the origins of Mormonism, which if I recall, was about a man receiving gold tablets from an angel, and translating them by putting his head into a hat. It seems that some tropes still survive till now.

[@muhammadabdullahi7200]

Before Muslims doubt this, let me explain. Al Muqaddimah is a Muslim who studies at a secular university, so naturally, the videos he makes will go under the paradigms of the HCM. If he disputes this story authenticity, it doesn’t really affect him being Muslim, unless he goes further into discrediting all ahadith ( which he doesn’t). This idea about the Islamic tradition plagiarizing from fables or stories in the past, is an assumption that is made in order to work on the Quranic passages. These universities does not believe the Prophet got divine revelation, so they try to find the information in the Quran from other historical sources. This narrative promoted in the video has some serious criticism. Firstly, it seems like a he cherry-picks the version of the Iqra narrative, in order to fit it with the order historical source. He says that the prophet was sleeping and he had a dream, but the story more ulema agrees with, is that he was awake when it happened, and historians like Ibn Katheer reconciles it by saying he was sleeping then on his way out of the Cave he saw Jibreel. This exclusion of information, by Al Muqadimmah I found to be disingenuous, unless he truly wasn’t aware. Many more factors like these, happens to be in the comparison you’re making, and reconstructing every single one of them, leaves us at the fact, that the comparison in reality , does not share the similarity, that would force us to assume they share the same source. Secondly and more importantly, we have a direct chain of narration back to Aisha, who told us the story which happened, directly from the Prophets words. In other words, the story of the Iqra Narrative is not before the other historical source you’re comparing it with, rather it is 100 years before that, and it was also well known since we have other narrations speaking about the event. You are forcing the implication, that the Iqra narrative first happened as a historical event, when it wasn’t written down by Ibn Ishaq? That is a forced interpretation, and far from established traditional Islamic sources. I don’t know if you’re reading this Al Muqadimmah, but I am not attacking you or your work whatsoever. The reality is that many Muslims, could get doubts from these kinds of conspiracy comparisons, when in reality they shouldn’t.

[@AlMuqaddimahYT]

I didn't cherry pick anything. The point of the video wasn't to talk about Islamic Tradition that the ulema compiled. It was merely to compare a story written by ibn Ishaq and another by Bede. I mentioned in the video that there are other versions but the point, again, wasn't to analyze the Iqra Narrative in general but just the version by Ibn Ishaq which bears similarities with Bede's story.

[@muhammadabdullahi7200]

@@AlMuqaddimahYT You cherry-picked instances in the Ibn ishaq story, which many other seerah scholars have given alternatives to. You did that only to fit it within the narrative. But hey, whatever makes you sleep at night.

[@whathell6t]

@@muhammadabdullahi7200 Do you actually have citations in MLA or APA format to back your counterpoint that @AlMuqaddimah cherry-picked Ibn-ishaq story?

[@Skullzero1]

​@@muhammadabdullahi7200 ​you're implying that AlMuqaddimah is attempting to push the Iqra narrative, when he is simply comparing that narrative to another story. If he is choosing to talk about the Iqra narrative it's not cherry picking, it's simply picking a topic to discuss

[@tjo6252]

The most probable explanations are either coincidence or that christian pilgrims brought some ideas they've heard from Islamic Jerusalem back home. We cannot depend on a hypothetical common source because well it's hypothetical.

[@chefbuccino5933]

I enjoy your videos very much. Feels more straightforward without the worry of trying to be more than what it is: history. Unbiased historical facts. Glad to see you’re still streaming after several years. I’m curious what’s your take on schools of islam. Excuse my ignorance if you did anything on this subject, I just discovered your channel and going through the videos as I find time to watch

[@harharharharharharharharha240]

Your channel is so underrated

[@mahatmarandy5977]

This is fascinating! I’m not a Muslim, but I’m very interested in religious history in general, and Abrahamic religious history in specific, so your insights are really helpful to me, and thank you for doing this. IMO, I think the “coincidence” option is the most likely, but form the story takes could be shaped by the way other similar stories are told. To give a bad example, everyone knows the basic way westerns are told. The setup, the conflict, climax, the conclusion. While this is not universal - all westerns don’t follow the same format - the ones that don’t generally don’t for some specific narrative reason, which deliberately plays against expectations, which means, of course, that people *have* expectations of how these stories are supposed to be told. So it’s possible the English story is true, but it was phrased in what was the “accepted” way of relating such things. Or, I suppose, it could be entirely mythical. This presupposes that there *was* a standard format for these things in those days, of course, and I don’t know that there was. I’d have to do a ton of research to figure that out. If we go with your fourth option, which I think is the second most likely, well, we know that the book of Enoch was widely circulated and read from about 400 BC to at least the first century AD, so it would have been widely known. IIRC it seems to have been very popular with heterodox Christian groups as well, many of whom retreated to locations outside the empire in the second and third centuries AD, in which case it, or something like it, would probably be the precursor story. The more I think on it, I think option 4 is more likely than 3. Incidentally, someday I would love to hear anything you know about interactions between heterodox Christian groups and Islam in the early Islamic era and the late pre-islamic era. Early Christian heresies are fascinating

[@batosato]

Video suggestion: Did Dante plagiarize the Divine Comedy from Kitab al-Miraj?

[@wargame2n3p]

I find all your content to be solid on all counts. Keep up the great work!

[@saada2102]

The most informative channel about islamic culture

[@bpcgos]

Like it or not, Islamic scholar have this attitude of not claiming knowledge came from them out of nothing, they will wrote the source up to the main source. Something that acknowledged that knowledge is accumulation of many before them and eventually sourced from God Almighty, not mere human being invention

[@tausifurrehmanmuhammad3169]

Peace and blessings be upon the messenger, his wives, companions and his progeny

[@cxaz10]

Peace and blessings upon all those who had to suffer from the hands of those thugs of hamad- Safiya (SAW), Kinana (SAW), Abu Afak (SAW), Asma bint Marwan (SAW) and countless more!

[@kinanradaideh5479]

​@@cxaz10 Who are these people? Can you tell me more?

[@OMJOVI]

The issue is that the king of peace is Jesus Christ. You cant be peaceful without believing in him and following his teachings

[@farstretched1145]

just wanted to mention a little thing Ibn Ishaq didn't write Tarikh al Tabari it was written by Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari (@5:05 you mentioned Ibn Ishaq but the narration is cited from tarikh al tabari)

[@mohammodc]

If you look at the beginning of the extract in Tarikh al-Tabari, shown in the video, you will notice that one of the transmitters mentioned is Muhammad ibn Ishaq.

[@Abunaza-as-seylani]

The maccan surahs were indeed sent down in the form of poetry, to challenge the mushriqs who were some of the best poets at that time. This is one reason why Allah challenged them to bring one surah or a verse like the quran, because the eloquency and the details and contents in the quran can never be replicated because it is the speech of Allah, the most eloquent in speech.

[@everyzan-m2q]

Surah 108: Indeed, We have granted you O Prophet abundant goodness. So pray and sacrifice to your Lord alone. Only the one who hates you is truly cut off from any goodness. This is average writing.

[@JustinHerchel]

​@@everyzan-m2qthat's an average English translation on the meaning of the verses. Your polemic lacks context.

[@Stoneworks]

Great video with amazing production quality. I like the little cat on your silver play button, and I'm glad to see your channel growing well g

[@MaryamMaqdisi]

Thank you for this video, it was truly fascinating. My own view is that because of a shared context and tradition this must have been a trope familiar to the early Believers, and appiied to Muhammad fairly early on. Whether the brits got it from there or from an earlier religious trope would be interesting to know, but considering the many similarities on storytelling among different traditions I wouldn't be surprised if there's a common older inspiration for both.

[@FaridResponds]

Urwa is only separated by a generation from the events. What would be his motivation for ripping off this "common source" that you speak of? Also, the narrative comes from others too. Is there a reason for them to want to bolster what Urwa mentioned?

[@moosoo13]

No pressure brother but I'd love to see a video/live discussing this topic on your channel

[@MaryamMaqdisi]

I think by that he meant that it isn't unusual for there to be story tropes applied to different figures to emphasize something, for example Moses from the Hebrew Bible sharing a birth narrative with Sargon of Akkad. It doesn't mean that only one of them was born. Similarly you can have multiple faithful people who feel connected to God, and people fascinated by their faith and devotion can apply this trope of revelation while sleeping. This isn't to say anything on the authenticity of Muhammad's revelation, while I'm not Muslim I think it's perfectly plausible for something to have happened despite the existence of a common trope, but how we interpret religious events says more about our faith than about whether something is historically known.

[@mariocaso6186]

Thank you very much for this video. I love this channel so much!

[@riya7a462]

Great video Brother! You should read ‘First Century Sources for the Life of Muhammad? A Debate’ written by Gregor Schoeler, Andreas Gorke and Harold Motzki. In it, Schoeler argues against Shoemaker that the Iqra’ narrative actually influenced Caedmon’s Hymn. He writes; ‘One possible manner of the conveyance has been long known. Von See, who here follows the historian E. Rotter, first of all calls attention to the historical situation: When Bede wrote his Historia, the rapid advance of Islam in Europe was ‘the main topic’ in the Christian Occident, and at the close of his work Bede makes explicit mention of the Arab threat (V, 23). Following Rotter, von See fur- thermore points out that after years of warlike confrontations between Muslims and Christians the years 726-730 were marked by reciprocal efforts towards an understanding - one of the external signs thereof was the marriage of the Berber emir Manu(n)za with a daughter of Duke Eudo of Aquitaine. “In verbal com- munications - particularly during such periods of peace - knowledge of religious texts and customs could effortlessly have been passed back and forth.”144 The agents for the widespread dissemination of the story into Christian Europe would likely have been qussas, popular preachers and story tellers who crossed the Strait of Gibraltar with the Muslim armies.’ He concludes: ‘Therefore there is still no plausible alternative to deriving the European Caed- mon story from Mu1ammad’s initial revelation experience.’

[@Uzair_Of_Babylon465]

Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍😊

[@HamzaBhatti54]

I really appreciate the effort you put to make these videos. It is a literary treat to watch any new video you upload.

[@EnergeiaRhythmos]

Production is just so high quality.

[@icenarsin5283]

Amazing work - As always

[@ShannonKWard]

Very fascinating topic, thanks!

[@tobiasogbon2835]

This is a great exploration of the topic.

[@lipingrahman6648]

I wouldn’t say plagiarism that’s going too far. It’s more that certain formulas and tropes are popular among humans and so when myths, legends, and semi biographies are written these formulas are used. The story of Moses is very similar to Sargon of Akkad and flood stories are by nature formulaic. The birth narratives of Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammad follow similar tropes. It’s more a testament to the unimaginative nature of people.

[@Bundpataka]

Moses isn’t similar to Sargon of Akkad

[@Codbckdjlnfkfj]

@@Bundpataka both were supposedly abandoned by a priestess mother on a basket in a river and taken in by a foster parent. They are so similar that the Moses birth narrative is widely considered to be based of Sargon’s

[@Sam-v5t]

Great video.well made and informative 👏👏

[@saketkumarsingh9558]

I appreciate your content. Love from India!

[@gauravtejpal8901]

All the noble teachers acquired wisdom in winderness and renote regions. For example, the Buddha, Jesus and the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon them. So there are bound to be common themes in the stories. One thing is for sure - they became awakened in solitude 😊

[@afşînmalatîturkî]

Can you please explain why you still use Ibn Ishaq as the oldest Biography of the Prophet while the Biography of Musa ibn Uqba (d. 758 CE) and Sulayman bin Tarkhan (d. 761 CE) were found and printed recently? Or why you don’t use the oldest Hadith compilations like Hammam ibn Munabbih (d. 719 CE) or Malik bin Anas (d. 795 CE) Or why you don’t use the oldest Tafseer by Ibn Jurayj (d. 767 CE) which was found and printed also recently?

[@Zaid26127]

There's something off about this guy

[@afşînmalatîturkî]

@@Zaid26127He seems Shia to me

[@Zaid26127]

@@afşînmalatîturkî could be, Allahu 'alam but we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he's just ignorant of the full details or just mistaken

[@everyzan-m2q]

Because none of those are relevant to the video

[@KILLER.KNIGHT]

@@afşînmalatîturkîNah I'm certain he’s Deobandi.

[@djallalnamri1]

from what I have read, this Caedmon was illiterate but lived in an abbey (Whitby Abbey). this would mean that Caedmon just recited a poem (or hymn) that would have been transcribed by someone else. Caedmon must have had frequent opportunities to hear the staff of the Abbey reciting or singing Christian Trinitarian hymns and that he memorized. as being illiterate does not mean being stupid or stupid, it would have been within his possibilities to compose a hymn that would have made sense Christianly speaking if he had faith. the big problem for him would have been his illiteracy: did the staff of the Abbey forbid him to learn to read or did he never ask for it? another big problem: is there any proof of this divine inspiration that he would have received? it looks a lot like a European Christian story like that of Joan of Arc or Bernadette Soubirous: divine inspiration or the apparition of the Virgin Mary (Peace be upon her) are a guarantee of the divinity of the phenomenon. the miracle would have been that Caedmone began to write as an individual known to be illiterate.

[@Bruce-itsbruce]

I wish I could spare the cash to be more than an Umayyad and help these vidoes come out more often.

[@pkotwaljk7]

Well researched!

[@nlneth9]

This channel gives off clear secular or semi agnostic views of Islam which I’ve seen in various videos. This is a dangerous area for average Muslims to wonder.

[@adilshekh8879]

Exactly. I stopped watching his videos and unsubscribed after I noticed this.

[@ManiYT-y7t]

You always should separate the science of arts from history and your beliefs So, these videos should not affect your believes

[@mepnicales2881]

Nothing to worry even for Avarage Muslim..The story of Iqra is Not important rather the whole message given in Quran is important How the message is reached to Mohammed PBUH doesn't impact the message given in the Quaran Quran is witness for itself..

[@zergb]

retard

[@pigmenall8892]

Wow, great video.

[@UFOhunter4711]

Would love to see a video on Siti Jenar and the Wali Sanga

[@54032Zepol]

Anither great video! Keep up the great content! Cant wait to see more, llleeetttsss gggooo

[@m.razifdwikurniawan-5132]

20:05 "Second, that there was a time when Brits didn't cause trouble wherever they went." Brits could have be so different back then 🤣. Anyway, nice story that you tell here. I am an Indonesian moslem who has grown up with seerah ar-rasul my whole life. But never I would thought that some Brits also wrote a somehow similar story with seerah. This video open up my mind. Keep up the good work, Shawish !

[@aihsanasl]

Very interesting and informative

[@mohammadsaqib622]

Can you please make a video covering islam and feminism? From a historical perspective

[@billielachatte4841]

Let me save you the time. Islam is heavily patriarchal. Women get half the property than men, they're merely reproductive vessels, except one's mother.

[@BarlasofIndus]

​@@billielachatte4841 I'm a Muslim and I see none of that in islam. Islam believes in Equity and justice,thus men who have to support the entire family get more than daughters who mostly have husbands for support. Islam holds justice and equity above modern toxic traits

[@BarlasofIndus]

​@@billielachatte4841 that's exactly what you would say, as before islam women were buried alive,while in your countries, they were labelled by the Church as ,"A rat,A snake,a burning Flame and a servant of Devil". I wonder why it was a Muslim woman(Fatimah Al Fihri) who founded the first university

[@BarlasofIndus]

Women gained more rights from Islam than modern feminism. They took part in battles, a Muslim woman(Fatimah Al Fihri)founded the First true university, a Muslim woman also led entire army of men in campaigns. There is an entire chapter in Qur'an just a single woman (Maryam r.a.h). What more do I need to say. A Muslim woman led a caravan from Morocco to Iran(that's more length than entire Europe).

[@amuthi1]

Nothing to cover concering islam and feminism.

[@tausifurrehmanmuhammad3169]

The battle of yarmook is a historical fact from the year 636. And well before this year standard mushafs were available, which surely included surah al alaq and surah az zuha and many other surahs like al mudassir,al muzammil , al qiyamah which describe many details of the beginning of the revelations. Therefore leaving the most authentic source namely the Glorious Qur'aan for caedmon or ibn ishaq is not only unfair but unjust to the core.

[@SyedAhmedJaved]

4:10 Blatantly inaccurate. The Noble Qurʾān is not an instance of Arabic poetry, but is the third and an entirely separate branch of Arabic literature, after poetry and prose.

[@masahibbhatti4088]

Thanks for blessing us with another video

[@zeeshansaiyed8453]

The Quran is divine revelation from Allah and prophet Muhammed is the messenger and prophet of Allah who is truthful and has conveyed quran to us after revelation .

[@joshygoldiem_j2799]

Syawish told me I'd be looking forward to this one but I had no idea it was going to be something as big as the Bede question.

[@noiseworks]

wisdom comes from God to be shared freely, stories are not important

[@Igor_Chausov]

It's like future scientists will lose The Lord of the Rings but will have many other fantasy stories which were written after the Rings.

[@Sam-x2c3m]

You are trying too hard to 1. Designate the quran as poetry when too many verses and hadith explicitely mention it is not poetry. The Qur'an itself addresses the claim that it is poetry in several verses. Here are some of them: 1. **Surah Yaseen (36:69)** - "We have not taught him poetry, nor is it befitting for him. This is only a Reminder and a clear Qur'an." This verse explicitly states that the Prophet Muhammad was not taught poetry and that the Qur'an is not poetry but rather a reminder and a clear message. 2. **Surah Al-Haqqah (69:41)** - "It is not the word of a poet; little do you believe." Here, the Qur'an denies the accusation that it is the words of a poet, emphasizing that people still disbelieve despite its clarity. 3. **Surah At-Tur (**52:29**-30)** - "So remind [O Muhammad], for you are not, by the favor of your Lord, a soothsayer or a madman. Or do they say [of you], 'A poet for whom we await a misfortune of time?'" This passage refutes the claim that the Prophet is a poet and suggests that the Qur'an is a divine message rather than human poetry. These verses illustrate that the Qur'an differentiates itself from poetry, emphasizing its unique nature as divine revelation. 2. Also to fit your narrative you incorrectly stating that the prophet pbh was asleep. He was wide awake. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was awake during the first revelation. The event occurred while he was meditating in the Cave of Hira, located on the Mountain of Light (Jabal al-Nour) near Mecca. The story is well-known and recorded in various Hadith collections. According to the narration, the Angel Gabriel (Jibril) appeared to the Prophet while he was awake, grasped him, and commanded him to "Read" or "Recite" (in Arabic, "Iqra"). The Prophet, who was illiterate, responded that he could not read. This command was repeated three times, after which the first verses of the Qur'an were revealed: ### **Surah Al-Alaq (96:1-5)** - "Recite in the name of your Lord who created, Created man from a clinging substance. Recite, and your Lord is the most Generous-Who taught by the pen-Taught man that which he knew not." This incident marked the beginning of the revelation of the Qur'an and the prophetic mission of Muhammad. It is clear from the accounts that he was fully awake and conscious during this profound experience. 3. The iqra narrative was transmitted and well known way before ibnu isxaq; 1. Sahifah of Hammam ibn Munabbih (d. 728 CE) 2. Sahifah of Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-As 3. Early Qur’anic Codices (compiled around 650 CE) 4. Oral Traditions transmitted by the Prophet’s Companions These sources collectively indicate that the “Iqra” narrative was well-known and preserved within the early Muslim community. The narrative is real and many orientalist gave up on such points you insinuate. Good channel otherwise. May allah reward you and guide us all

[@pawdaypay]

Mashaallah, what a thorough and clear explanation. May Allah reward you brother! I too don't understand why he keep comparing Qur'an as a poetry

[@chillyoil528]

@@pawdaypay this is a pretty contentious thing in the comments i believe hes just talking about how many verses of the quran read as being poetic in nature with how they have a very particular rhythm and rhyme its akin to poetry in a sense but no human poetry could of course compare or even get close

[@BK_Beloved]

Furthermore, this part of this account is in Jaami of Bukhari who had the strictest Sahih conditions for his collection and the consensus of hadith scholars on the reports. As these were the reports that were passes on from the Taba Tabieen from the Taabieen, from a companion.

[@AmmanAbbasi-cb9lq]

The Quran does not assert itself as lacking a poetic nature, I believe you have misunderstood those verses. They are a response to people who discredited the Quran as being the word of God by saying it could just be poetry.

[@MansMan42069]

"You are trying too hard" Said the one trying too hard.

[@MOHAMMEDMOHAMMED-f2q8y]

14:09 to 14:38 is the most confusing family history I have ever heard. 😅 Amazing video though!

[@user-qs7hl8do4q]

The Quran is NOT poetry, nor did The Prophet (saw) recite poetry !!!!

[@Bundpataka]

Surah Al-Azhab ayat 35 sounds like poetry to me

[@hashirabdullah8645]

Bro there's literally a Qur'anic verse in which God says that its not poetry..

[@minimalisticadvise6732]

It is difficult to say anything positive, because the reaction can become dangerous of muslims, but thank you for your videos

[@kenoohki]

Great vid and I mean how many great flood stories are ‘floating’ around out there 😏

[@youtubeaccount3230]

Dream vision sounds like Paul, i mean after pauls vision he went to learned men

[@TupacMakaveli1996]

Hesoid was also visited by muses which are equivalent to muses i.e. delivering divine knowledge.

[@munimahmed7877]

Mind blown, I've always imagined that... You know, it was surprising to know that 700 C.E. Angelo Saxons of dark ages could travel to soo vast distances.

[@EM-tx3ly]

Mere conjectures Nothing solid or anything concrete to link both Saxon and Arabic stories together

[@hxyzazolchak]

We have evidence of people of brittania in the middle east around that time

[@ThedeadaccountAL]

​@@EM-tx3lythe Islamophobe calling historical data speculation. Very new

[@Bundpataka]

There’s a lot of historical references to traders and pilgrims traveling vast distances for their respective purposes, it’s just that the vast majority of those travelers never wrote anything down

[@zubayydahahmad1995]

Masha Allah

[@abuzar2080]

Can you please cover Prophet's proposal for Umme Hani before marrying to Khadija RA?

[@khanG-gq9hc]

This video is so pathetic since it simply can't fathom original experiences of the Prophet (s.a.w.) simply because an entirely different experience with some similarity only of a vision was reported from the anglo saxon people with an unknown source. An era in which shaman experiences were rife. Caedmon sees an apparition teaching him hymms is in no way similar to a call as the Messenger of God who was was the seal of all faiths before. One thing which is a fact (hate it all they may) the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) the mesage of Islam is the last of all Major global Religions. That is a fact of human history. No faith has ever come nor will come after islam as a global faith. The Message seen by the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him materialised and manifested as the final global Religion for Mankind. Caedmon however, is at best a foot note in hymm compilations of the British isles. Nothing more needs to be said. 🙌🏽💯

[@Bundpataka]

This is a history-based channel, if you want polemics and pure dogmatism, go watch some Sheikh instead

[@سيلفرالسبستي]

@@Bundpataka this is a muslim criticizing a clear dishonest comparison, if you don't like it leave the comment sections altogether

[@ima7762]

The guy ignores earlier sources than Ibn Ishaq ​@@Bundpataka

[@hashirabdullah8645]

And We have not taught him (Muhammad) poetry, nor is it meet for him. This is naught else than a Reminder and a Lecture making plain, (36:69)

[@KateGladstone]

This is a wonderfully informative video, sir, but you need to know how to pronounce the ancient English name “Cædmon.” The letter “æ” in Old English (which is usually typed “ae” if you don’t have the right keyboard) stands for the same vowel-sound as the letter “a” in Modern English words like “cat / bad / hand”/etc. (It does t stand for the sound that you guessed it would represent: sorry … ) I just wanted you to know this, for your reference the next time you tell the story. (by the way, you actually did a rather GOOD job of pronouncing the name of Cædmon’s monastery, which is much more difficult to read!) with that name, you were almost perfect; you just need to know exactly “SH” in that name doesn’t stand for the “sh” sound of modern English, but stands for simply an “s” sound followed by an “h” sound. (Old English did not use the modern letter-combination “sh” for that sound; old English used a different letter combination for it! old English used the letters “sc” - but you had no way to know that, and most speakers of modern English would not know that either. So I congratulate you, for that word, on coming as close as you did!)

[@AlMuqaddimahYT]

TBH even if you spelled it Cadmon, I'd probably pronounce it the same way, lol. Like pronouncing it like cad in cadence feels more natural to me but thank you for correcting me. I'll try to be more aware of it in the future. Interesting what you said about sc being sh in Old English. German has a similar thing. My German friends used to write my name as Syawisch rather than Syawish.

[@lerneanlion]

So what is the very first original source of both stories in your view? Can the one about Abraham being visited three visitors be the source of both of them?

[@Cybernaut-z2x]

There is only one such story found in Hindu traditions, of the guy named Vasugupta who lived in 800-875 CE, dreams and revelation.

[@MuhammadTahmidIslam]

why would some use such a caption I don't understand.

[@rostam40]

Could you make a video on the other theories and narratives regarding Prophet Muhammads first revelation m. Ive heard there is a lot of people who dont believe in the Iqra narrative and have their own historical evidences for it. Could be groundbreaking

[@codexana4411]

Your insistence that the Quran is "poetry" just so you can fit the two stories together is amazing. The Quran literally states it's neither poetry or the words of a poet (Qur’an 69: 40 & 41) and yet you keep calling it poetry.

[@AlMuqaddimahYT]

Does the Qur'an say it's not poetry? The verses you mentioned say that it's not the word of a Poet, which is right, it's the word of God but does it say that it's not poetry? The Qur'an has a lot of rhyming surahs which can't be described by any other word but poetry. Even in the context of Islamic tradition, it fits that the Meccan surahs are poetry because the Arabs were so proud of their poetry that God countered them by sending poetry of his own. legacy.quran.com/69/40-46

[@codexana4411]

@AlMuqaddimahYT why specify that it's not the words of a poet if we then go and call it poetry. Rhyming surah is considered part of the miracle and something that when people tried to make something like it only reached poetry as it's the nearest but that doesn't mean it is poetry. The Quran in general has negative views of poets and poetry, as they are associated with imaginary pictures and false hoods, Allah even says that the prophet pbuh was not taught poetry and it's not even fit for him. 'And We did not give him [i.e., Prophet Muḥammad (ﷺ)] knowledge of poetry, nor is it befitting for him. It is not but a message and a clear Qur’ān' Surah Yaseen, 69 Having shared qualities as poetry doesn't mean it's poetry. If so then anything with a rythmic prose would just be called poetry and nothing else.

[@MrKitab00]

​@@codexana4411 Shut the flip up😂 you're clearly a but hurt Christian, sorry, I meant Paulian.. NOW JOG ON!!!

[@AlMuqaddimahYT]

I believe that "words of a poet" means that the Qur'an is not the work of a human poet but rather, it's the word of God, it's a miracle. But we do use human terms to describe the Qur'an at times, for example, we call it a Kitaab which is a word we use for books all over the Islamic world. Is it fair to call all those books by the same term as we call the message of Allah? Calling the Qur'an's rhyming parts poetry doesn't go against anything in Islam. From what you shared, it just looks like a defense of the fact that Prophet Muhammad didn't compose the Qur'an as a poet, but rather just delivered the message of Allah to people. In any case, what the Qur'an calls itself is a matter of religion and not history. I'm discussing history here. For example, while the Qur'an claims to be clear or "Mubeen", historians and linguists don't believe that it is. Those are two different audiences, Muslims and secular academics. But coming back to your original point, do you think the same doesn't apply to Caedmon's writing? Considering that in a Christian context, it was God who granted him the gift of composing what he did? Even in that case, the two stories do align.

[@codexana4411]

@AlMuqaddimahYT What the quran calls itself is what it should be called. Calling it poetry would mean it is written by a poet and the author (God according to muslims) didn't want it to be limited to that tag or be themselves called a poet and viewed such a thing and unbeffiting to them. And about the 'Clear book', this just shows limited knowledge about the quran says and what it is for example surah al baqarah 26 says that any example could be used to guide and misguide and the way misguidince was shown was by the misguided asking questions that needn't be asked. So, a clear book is meant as clear to those who believe. And saying we call the Quran a kitab, we do because the Author called it that even when it wasn't written down or collected yet (when it didn't fulfill all the definitions set today to be called a book). Keeping on calling it poetry is disrespectful to the author and muslims while calling it poetry wouldn't add much of a change except linking the two stories. What the other work calls itself is not my concern as i don't know it enough to judge.

[@masahibbhatti4088]

You really are the best Islamic channel

[@Truth_Seeker1202]

Islamic? When does he preach about Islamic teachings? He just gives history lessons from a secular point of view.

[@magma9000]

​@@Truth_Seeker1202he's videos are related to Islamic history duh🙄

[@masahibbhatti4088]

@@Truth_Seeker1202 Its an islamic history channel so it is an islamic channel. You can draw Islamic teachings from Islamic history

[@munimahmed7877]

@@Truth_Seeker1202 It appears as if you were almost an pretentious activist of athiesm or a bigot theologian: but you are pedenticity is highly obnoxious nontheless, and it is indeed very hard to tell from which extreme you belong from, but it does not even matter...

[@Usermaatre6723]

can you make a video on the name rahman and brahman and their meanings

[@SikanderG]

Caedmon may also have been a prophet, or at least an inspired person.

[@sidjoosin6549]

it can be because of bad ventilation or may be flouride one struggle to realize that the only text about Claedmon was written in Anglo-Saxon realm when King Offa of Mercia minted golden coins with "la ilaha illa Allah" in Arabic (better look by yourself), and written about a guy who, according to this only source, was newborn or a child when Muslims fought in Central France and besieged Constantinople. And after ventilating area one could think that text probably was written by Crypto-Muslim about one as Jesus warned - will be sent by God and called him by name in every Canonical Gospels, translated to Greek Text as "ParaCletes" (prefix Para-/Over-/Mu- and root Clete/Praise/HaMD) - Muhammad ﷺ . And yes Christians read Gospel back then.

[@TheMercifulAndJust]

A large part of this man's work and presentation is apocrypha. The rest was just overstretched skepticism.

[@sjmurphysj39]

Fascinating video, Baghdad to Blighty!!

[@muhammadfasihkhan8508]

Favorite channel

[@شاح]

Holy Quran E Pak ❤

[@Avistyl]

I’m sorry but doesn’t Yasin ayah 69 state that ‘We did not give him poetry nor is it befitting for him’? Would this not diminish the idea that the Quran is poetry? I know it uses rhyming, but I believe that in order for it to fit in the category of ‘Poetry’ it would have to fit one of the 16 metrical patterns, which it doesn’t, so that would suggest that it isn’t poetry, right? I’m not criticising you for calling the Quran poetry - personally for me it is fine for me for it to be called poetry - but I’m just wondering your take on this

[@mmzaahid]

The Bengali line you wrote in the beginning was written wrongly.

[@bpcgos]

What interesting is even Quran didnt focused on something like this , it didnt matter how Quran being transferred, what importtant is the message inside it for human being. Even in Quran Allah clearly stated (Im if course roughly summarize it) , that this is Quran , that mostly contains the difference between the truth and lies,with very small portion of it still in doubt. but you will see human being busy debating against each other about that small doubt rather than doing what Quran already clearly mentioned and told human being to do.

[@enamulhaquefahim4924]

Bede wasn’t a saint although he was recognized as venerable which is equivalent to say respected one there is a difference between saint and venerable.

[@arifahmedkhan9999]

The conclusion is pathetic. Something that is mass transmitted to almost all the companions of the Prophet sallahualyhiwasallam is illogical to be thought of as something made up, later, from Christian sources. This man makes no sense

[@masahibbhatti4088]

Can we get some references I want to do further reading

[@MAbdusson]

Both also follow the Hero's Journey.

[@Shukry]

Brother, the Quran is not poetry and Prophet Muhammed did not receive his first revelation while sleeping in a dream. I have no idea why are you saying this, I hope it is ignorance and not willful malice

[@AlMuqaddimahYT]

I literally gave a reference to the sleeping thing. It's by ibn Ishaq.

[@ssa6227]

​@@AlMuqaddimahYT Who is not credible 😂

[@Saqib_AliRana]

Even according to Bukhari, the first form of revealation were dreams.

[@Shukry]

@@Saqib_AliRana it is called a vision not a dream, regardless, the context of it is very different than sleeping and dreaming brother. And every revelation that followed, it wasn’t like he went to sleep and got the revelation while sleeping. It used to happen while he’s with the companions, with his wives, on the way to battle…etc

[@MrHazz111]

I'd love to see you retackle the pre-Islamic Arabia video with a focus on the epigraphic records uncovered by Ahmed Al Jallad.

[@dirk-piehl28]

me too

[@Blackbeard1222]

And what is there to say ? That doesn’t challenge anything if you think about it for a moment. There is nothing that says that the meccans were not polytheists (yes polytheists believed in Allah, they just added some lesser divinity as intermediates), having the name of Allah on rocks before Islam doesn’t challenge anything, also we have name like AbdalShams as inscriptions (which means Sun’s servant). The lack of inscriptions basically confirms the fact that the Meccan were mostly illiterate, also we have a lot of Islamic inscriptions from the 1st century, I can’t fathom people believing in a man and a book that calls them polytheists when they are not

[@MrHazz111]

@@Blackbeard1222 The word 'mushrikun' doesn't mean polytheist, polytheist refers to people who worship multiple gods. The people of the Hijaz were most likely monotheists who believed in intercessors, maybe with the odd person still believing in old gods (All of this still occurs in the Muslim world today). 'mushrikun' most likely means 'associators' In traditional Islamic historiography, (which is often cobbled together from contradictory sources) Mecca is entirely polytheistic, with supposedly depraved rituals, Allah being the equivalent of Zeus and having gods beneath him. It's also a land of idols (of which no evidence has been found, and even the Qur'an idols are only spoken of when recounting events from long ago.) Mecca is also the center of pilgrimage and trade for all of Arabia, and the complete lack of references to Mecca even in Arabia itself (Abraha's inscriptions mention Yathrib, but not Mecca) apart from the Quran and maybe some pre-Islamic poems mean that it was a very modest settlement, it's shrine popular for its people and the nomads and towns around it, but not relevant much where else. This is not recounting other things tradition gets wrong, like the source of Arabic being Yemen, Wadd (an ancient Yemeni god) being worshipped in northern Arabia, of which there is positive evidence against. And the erasure of Christians from the tradition, even though the Qur'an is filled with phraseology from the New Testament. Your mention of the lack of inscriptions is wrong, there are tons of Paleo-Arabic inscriptions, and there seems to be a relatively decent scribal culture even if literary culture doesn't take off until the Umayyad period. And of course, there are tons of inscriptions yet to be excavated.

[@Blackbeard1222]

@@MrHazz111 and this is what happened when you do archeology instead of history. Yo do know that archeology is just excavating things, all the rest you did is YOUR interpretation which has no basis other than your imagination and neo-orientalists ones. You clearly don’t understand a thing about Islamic eschatology, when you believe in lesser gods like the polytheists did (as it is stated in Islamic sources) you are a polytheist, it doesn’t matter if they are less powerful or are just intercessions (which they believed as you rightfully said) now there are mentioning of Yathripa and MECCORABA in ancient maps.

[@Blackbeard1222]

Also the narrative of « there is no evidence of idols ect » absence of evidence is not an evidence of absence. In fact there are 2 good reasons for the absence of idols, first you can’t access Mecca and do archeology, maybe if you had the authorization you would find them and then need to come with again an ad hoc explanation like you always do. Second, Muslims most likely DESTROYED completely those idols and with time they just vanished. Also for the inscriptions, no I am not wrong by the way, we do not talk about the same thing. I was talking about the fact that there are not a lot of inscription from the time just before the beginning of Islam in the area, I am not talking about inscriptions mentioning Allah (which again proves nothing because even though they were polytheists they believed in Allah) 1 or 2 century before Islam. Also the inscriptions that are yet to be examined, yes there are a lot you are right, but I do not think that they will support your view. In fact we already have a lot of inscriptions from the 1st century of islam that crush that.

[@zariaalhajmoustafa2573]

I watch a lot of a video when you mention the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him you don't say peace be upon or صلى الله عليه وسلم why you not say that

[@Abdur-Raqeeb_Soft]

I also observed that a lot It's better we unsubscribe from his channel 😢

[@pawdaypay]

yeah, I wonder why?

[@BK_Beloved]

thats def. not a good sign lol

[@trallatralla8956]

Because he doesnt see him as a prophet! So cleaaar

[@thedictationofallah]

It is fardh (obligatory) to say it

[@MdKabir-kr3sm]

Excellent..

[@edmundprice5276]

Saint bede, more widely known as the venerable bede

[@TupacMakaveli1996]

Hesoid was also believee to be visited by muses which are equvalent to angels i.e. delivering divine knowledge.

[@joemachine4714]

"Iqrah" is "to recite" rather than read. If you think about it, there was nothing like a paper or book to read from 🤷

[@jeffaholics2289]

The Qur’an is not poetry, there are poetic aspects to it, but it’s not proper to call it poetry.

[@gstorm12]

its poetry, just not proper, it was made in such a way so people can remember easily, even though only a fraction of it is worth remembering.

[@hamzaqayyum7693]

bhai bohat pasand he ap ka samjhane ka andaz love it...

[@mepnicales2881]

How you can assure who plagiarised whom.?