Was The X-Men Cycle A CLOSED ENVIRONMENT? | Marvel Champions | Thanks

[@salsatheone]

Hey Josh, what really impressed me is that out of the 4 women presented in this wave, 3 are holding out the same hand gesture.

[@GetUpandGame]

Hahahahaha somehow I completely missed that 🤣

[@MikeDV34]

Hahaha that's a great catch!

[@GetUpandGame]

I didn’t tally all the traits in the video as it was more just about the X-men, but just for fun I totaled them all up and there are: 22 X-Men 18 Avengers 18 Guardians 18 Web-Warriors 10 Team Ups 9 Champions 6 Mystics 5 Alliance 4 Psionic 2 Asgard 2 Genius 2 14 Hp Heroes 1 Android 1 Spy/Thief Edit: as some have astutely pointed out that the Training Cards and by extension Game Time are actually pretty available to be used by other hero’s I’ve reduced the number of X-men trait locked cards from 28-23. Thanks @danielcraig and @jannpoo! Also I totally missed that Nightcrawler’s ability works for himself (similar to Polaris) so there’s another one off the X-men list. Thanks @VillainTheory for pointing that one out!

[@psovitzky]

I love the other MC content creators BUT your channel, Josh, is beyond awesome! The time you put into this analysis and the creativity is beyond compare. SO much fun watching your play throughs and I really enjoy your commentary. Keep it up! Let’s go 2k!!!

[@GetUpandGame]

Thank you so much Peter! Your comments are always so positive and encouraging and I really appreciate you!

[@psovitzky]

Thanks man! I appreciate your reply! Can’t wait to see your next video!!! I hope you are healthy! I know how debilitating it can be when sickness goes through the house.

[@GetUpandGame]

@@psovitzky thanks buddy I really appreciate that. I’ve been feeling better but it is still just going around and around lol. Startin to get real old 😅

[@cs4805]

Here’s a thought: If you aren’t interested in playing web warriors, you shouldn’t have to buy the packs. They’ve done it just right. If it were the other way around, i.e every new pack has strong cards for every deck, you’d have a) a real powercreep issue and b) folks would complain that they’d have to buy packs they aren’t interested in (but they „need“ the extra cards).

[@GetUpandGame]

Totally agree! I think they’ve done a great job of spreading things out overall, and for those who don’t want to buy everything I don’t know that there are too many “must have” cards out there. Of course there are always going to be people like me who have to buy everything no matter what lol. Thankfully I’m the type of person that can enjoy pretty much anyone as long as the cards are fun. But I know there are others who also feel compelled to collect it all who are less happy when the cards aren’t as generally useful. It’s always been a tricky thing with these games, trying to please everyone all at once, and I’ve always been of the opinion that they’ve done just about as well as anyone could ever expect!

[@grog3514]

I'm a newbie and I don't have interest in any of the web slingers, nova, Thor, iron heart, guardians except drax, wasp, or war machine. If I ignore those will I be missing any important cards?

[@GetUpandGame]

@@grog3514 I would say out of all of those the one that would be most missed is Wasp. She comes with a lot of really solid staple basic cards like Ironheart ally, Spider-Man Miles Morales ally, Quincarrier, and the Power In All of Us. Beyond that there are always going to be pretty decent cards in any hero that you choose to skip, but that definitely doesn’t mean you still won’t be able to build good decks 🙂 The other thing I notice about those listed is there are a fair few Aggression heroes there, so your red pool might be a bit lacking. But again, nothing you can’t live without. The hero cards are so strong that even with a card pool that doesn’t have everything you’ll still be able to have plenty of fun, build interesting decks, and win!

[@grog3514]

@@GetUpandGame hmm that's a bummer. I would love to make hulk a fun deck but that probably means lots of red cards. What are the top 3 heroes to maximize aggression supplemental cards?

[@GetUpandGame]

@@grog3514 Rocket has some really good red cards, including Hand Cannon, Into The Fray, and Looking For Trouble. Wasp also has Into The Fray, as well as Boot Camp, along with the aforementioned Basic Cards. And Nova has Honed Technique which kind of revitalized aggression. Drax is a protection hero but he comes with am aggression card called Bring It! which is really good Rocket is probably the most essential aggression purchase though, which is unfortunate since he doesn’t come by himself 😕

[@cnspartan]

Really liked the break down for the cards. Its amazing to see how much your channel has grown in so little time.

[@GetUpandGame]

Thanks Nic!

[@Geallach83]

It doesn't make sense from FFG's perspective to make all new packs all-new, all the time. They aren't going to lose any business from this because: - New players get cards that work for the hero they bought. - People who buy everything may be annoyed but they'll buy it anyway.

[@GetUpandGame]

That’s very true! I selfishly want nothing but brand new cards every pack but I know that’s not realistic lol

[@Geallach83]

@@GetUpandGame Yeah, they're counting on our FOMO. What are we gonna do, not buy the new packs? 🤣

[@GetUpandGame]

@@Geallach83 😱😱😱

[@VillainTheory]

Great video! Fascinating topic. Just a note, Nightcrawler can defend himself and then use his ability on himself, so in that respect he is for everyone. EDIT: Just seen the Training cards and Game Time were covered by other comments, so I've removed this paragraphed. Danger Room and X-Mansion can also be good on a selection of non X-Men heroes. You have to be an X-Men or mutant to use them if another player controls them, but anyone can use them if they play them themselves. Adam Warlock and Spider-Woman are great candidates since they can pick the best X-Men from multiple aspects and upgrade/heal them this way! But anyone technically can use them. Pixie is similar. She can grab Professor X or Beast among others - and everyone loves those! I would agree she should be considered as part of the overall card pool. I definitely agree with your observation that Justice always draws the short straw. Even their heroes in the expansions are instead replaced with multi-aspect characters. It feels like they don't know what to do with the aspect and will do anything they can to avoid dealing with it! It's a shame as I feel like it has so much potential, especially with Global Logistics-style control cards. As for my feelings on the latest cards? Taking things a bit broader, I've enjoyed 4/8 of the villains a lot, 6/8 of the heroes. I don't dislike the others as such, but I'm not that excited for them either. Unfortunately, I think the aspect/basic cards have been the weakest part of this cycle. I love the new allies overall, and there are some gems hidden around, but most of the non-allies that aren't trait-locked are just "okay". They don't particularly do anything new, just giving you alternative ways to do things you already could. There's no Honed Technique, no SHIELD stuff, no Go All Out stat-boosting archetype, no Repurpose... I can add new cards to old decks, but with the exception of bringing confused to the masses with Psylocke, Professor X and Dazzler, there's no drastic changes. There is not a single new true archetype beyond X-Men tribal stuff I can think of. My hope is that, as you allude to in the video, they were using this wave as a way to introduce the X-Men cards all at once. And then, even as we get more mutants, the aspect/basic cards will be more general-purpose. I actually think we have WAY too many X-Men basic supports as it is, so I certainly hope they don't add more. As you also say in the video, all the X-Men support cards are so good you might just want to run them all. And what that means is that X-Men decks have a lot less creative space than other tribes, because so many of their basic cards are near-mandatory. That's a bit of an exaggeration, I don't come close to including all the X-Men supports in my decks, and yet Utopia especially is so good! So that to me does mean it and a bunch of X-Men allies are almost auto-includes - or purposeful exclusions you leave out just for variety. The Web-Warriors have the same problem - their basic cards are way above average. Champions, Guardians, and Avengers do not have that problem. Guess we'll see how it ends up! It's an interesting topic I've given thought to before.

[@GetUpandGame]

Thanks VT! I didn’t notice that about Nightcrawler! That’s another one I can move to the middle, thus making the cycle even less self contained from a numbers standpoint. But I agree, even though the numbers say there are still plenty of cards for the other decks, all the best one’s definitely got saved for the X-men. Other than a lot of solid allies, nothing much else jumps out for the general pool

[@Mutabor_3_16]

Awesome, thanks!

[@GetUpandGame]

Well thank you for watching! 😁

[@guarism0]

I'm very happy about getting so many reprints because I didn't own a bunch of those. It seems to me that X-Men is the result of lessons learned from Avengers cycle, you basically only need the Standard module to just start playing the game with good pool of cards.

[@GetUpandGame]

That’s a very good point! I think they knew the X-men would draw a lot of new players and so designed the packs around that assumption. It’s always tricky trying to design a game like this to please such a wide array of different players needs, but I’ve always thought they did a really good job!

[@Frankie-the-Tankie]

Ya I like the reprints in the sets as I am one of those people who build decks for most of the heros I have (balancing the 4 aspects) and I leave them built for different themes so my brother and I can just grab a deck and play instead of needing to build it each time we want to play.

[@RocketMagnetUK]

My guess would be the main reason is simply to make balancing remotely manegable while freeing them up creatively for the new cycles. So go wild with the new stuff locked to a cycle safe in the knowledge you wont inadvertently break something you didn't consider, couldn't reasonably foresee or would probably not come up in play testing in a reasonable amount of time. So makes perfect sense to me to wall off certain cards to allow more design freedom and as the card pool grows then increasing %age of locked cards going forward to give you at least a fighting chance to keep some semblance of control. Overall outside of competitive play if you don't like it you can ignore card restrictions if you really want to.... So yeah I think there is a genuine technical reason to do this IMO.

[@GetUpandGame]

Very well put, and I agree! Trait locking cards allows them to be more powerful and interesting, while also giving each team its own flavor and fun toys to play with. I think a lot of people are concerned that maybe it’s becoming too insular and the general card pool isn’t receiving enough new cards to keep the old heroes interesting. But, by the numbers at least this cycle wasn’t any worse than the others, and was actually a little better than the previous one. Now, that’s by total available cards. Percentage-wise this one did have a smaller percent of general availability. But it still gave as many individual options as the other cycles generally do

[@danthecrow1701]

Really interesting video. One of my favourites on your channel. Awesome content - love it! I don’t have the full collection, so won’t have hit as many reprints as you, but I would say I actually like some of the reprints. I also won’t play nearly as often as you guys, so the game won’t become as stale/need for new stuff as quickly (I can barely keep up with new releases and there is sooooo much already available) I’m huge fan of the thematics of the game. I love how the game interprets hero and card powers (even when a card/hero might not be the best) I’m very unlikely to play say Shadow Cat vs Green Goblin. I like to keep my villains/hero’s in context. I also like my hero deck to feel the same way so the team/trait specific cards really help to enhance that even just having Xmen art of resource reprints helps with that. Think I’ll have to get another game in tonight now…..

[@GetUpandGame]

Thank you so much! Yeah it’s amazing how many different kind of players this game can serve. The video itself was just looking at the numbers, but certainly the reprints are great for people who don’t necessarily buy everything! I think I came across more negative than I meant to on the reprints (I don’t think you’re saying that, but I feel that way) because I’m so passionate about new cards I hate seeing ones I already have lol. It’s an amazing balance they strike when putting these pack’s together I couldn’t agree more about how well the theme is implemented! The powers make sense, and there are so many opportunities to recreate awesome stories ❤️

[@shawnvaljean9260]

Love the video, and the breakdowns. Personally, i dont mind therr being a lot of cards with a more narrow use. I find that when most cards can be used in a wide variety of decks, its easier to just find "the best" cards so every deck ends up feeling the same.

[@GetUpandGame]

That’s very true! I also love the trait locking. Gives me a reason to be excited to be playing a Web Warrior and playing with different cards than I just did when playing a Guardian! And thanks for the kind words! ☺️

[@amansparekh]

Personally I appreciate it being so. Just now catching up with the guardians, not really interested in x -men characters, so I don’t have to feel too bad about missing out on the cycle

[@GetUpandGame]

Yep, other than some solid allies there isn’t really anything for non X-men fans to worry about!

[@bholmes4]

As my collection grows it starts to get cumbersome making decks with so many options to choose from, so I am quite fine with them reducing the number of general-use cards they release over time. Give us more limited-use cards or trait/team-specific cards, as it helps limits your choices to a reasonable level. I am even fine with reprints, I just wish they limited reprints so that at most you are left with 6 copies of any particular card if you buy one of each pack. I don't need 30 Genius cards for instance. At least give us more card art variety so we can have some fun with it.

[@GetUpandGame]

That’s a very good way to look at it! I wish I had spent a little more time talking about it, but I really do love the trait specific cards. It’s fun having each team feel distinct, and as you say it’s nice to have a few cards you just know you’re going to include to keep deck building less complex 👍👍 And unfortunately since the model is to make every deck playable off the shelf we’re just always going to have a million double resources lol. But I totally agree, I desperately wish each set featured the hero on the cards. I know that would’ve been a greater expense, but how much more awesome would it be to have those??

[@jonathana6298]

I’m just now getting into Marvel Champions. I skipped all the X-men stuff. It will be interesting to see how design has evolved once the SHIELD expansion is released.

[@GetUpandGame]

@@jonathana6298 nice! Welcome to the game! Yeah I’m so stoked for the Shield stuff, really curious to see what it looks like. Also, while I enjoyed the mutant saga I’m pretty ready to move on lol

[@ragnotgreymane]

Cool video and an interesting idea. Any chance of an update for the new sets?

[@GetUpandGame]

Thanks! Hmmm, maybe after AoA comes out it would be fun to revisit if they get even more supports!

[@joshuamatos5053]

Good content bro! Cant wait to see more if that multiverse saga your doing too!!!

[@GetUpandGame]

Thank so much! I’m really excited to dig more into that soon!

[@danielcraig6615]

I understand why they went to the limited pile but I think there is a strong argument to move them (and maybe game time) into the general pool. They are similar to Pixie in they target X-men ally, but can be played by anyone. My favorite is Wolverine ally with the attack training and maybe the game time to just beat down some baddies. Great video excellent commentary and breakdown.

[@TheVlad1616]

There’s a few cards that are more useful with X-men, but usable by anyone. Nightcrawler for example can be used by anyone. He’s basically (Hawkeye’s) Mockingbird , as you can defend with him to trigger his ability.

[@danielcraig6615]

@@TheVlad1616 Right. I was just pointing out that the same reason he moved pixie I believe also applies to the training cards. Which would move this wave from the lower end of the useable cards to the middle.

[@GetUpandGame]

Great point! Ya know, I just never play with ally attachments so it’s a pretty big blind spot in my analysis. I dunno why, I don’t think they’re bad or anything, it’s just a play style thing. So thank you for pointing that out!

[@GetUpandGame]

@@danielcraig6615 thankfully I came down on the side of saying it’s not too self contained, so this would’ve only strengthened that point lol.

[@TheVlad1616]

@@danielcraig6615 yea, there were a few he classified as X-men specific that I don’t. While a decent amount of these can be used in any deck, none of them help a specific (non X-men/mutant) trait. Which isn’t a good/bad thing per say, just interesting.

[@j_atkinson]

Great analysis! Too many ads!

[@GetUpandGame]

Thank you for the kind words and the feedback! Going forward I’m trying to reduce the number of ads where I can 👍

[@bradfuselier3837]

Minor point on reduced cost X-men Allies. If you compare Colossus to War Machine he's about equally costed outside of X-men. I've played him when I wanted Tough Allies. Angel is not bad for a 3 compared to other basic or Justice Allies for having 2 atk and 3 hp. Angel for the Aerial deck is a guaranteed though and possibly a Justice deck hungry for attack. Storm though, is not well costed even with her discount. I'd struggle to want to play her except in scenarios where the swap is advantageous. I personally wouldn't count them.

[@GetUpandGame]

Fair point! There are so many other alliesI like better than them that I would never choose to use them outside of their discount, but it sounds like they do stack up well against the others if you would want to use them 👍🙂

[@robertaraiza3692]

My issue with this game is that some people defend the reprints with the "oh yeah I like them because that way I can have my 50 decks built without problem". Reprints is a way to steal your money. Now why are there reprints, if they have new cards per cycle on Arkham Horror, or greater synergy cards (practiced, innate, illicit, etc) rather than introducing a new mechanic every cycle and then forget about it in later expansions? I think some things can get better, hopefully we will get less modular enemies which are getting ridiculous and go back to new cards that work with every hero

[@GetUpandGame]

I think the main reason there are so many reprints is because unlike LotR and Arkham, they aren’t expecting everyone to buy everything for this game. So the people who jump around in their purchases still have a shot at getting older cards they don’t own. I would be very curious to know what the percentage of people who buy everything is vs. the percentage of people who pick and choose. I’m with you, I would much rather have the packs be full of brand new cards (though I do enjoy the mod sets) than there being another round of 3 more Downtimes lol. But I always say it’s a tricky balance making a game like this that appeals to so many different types of customers and I think they do about as well as they could!

[@Atlas-FM8]

@@GetUpandGame Counterpoint: Say you're a player who doesn't buy everything (in a hypothetical world where this game has no reprints), are you really going to care that you didn't get a reprint of X card if all the cards in the pack are brand new (and hopefully good) cards? Conversely even if a player doesn't buy everything it's possible for them to still get hit with reprints of cards they already own if for example they just have to own Spider-ham (because they love his character) but they also happen to own Venom and Nebula. Which will be even worse for them since their deck building pool is even smaller than it is for people who buy everything. The most obvious reason for so many reprints is because new cards cost more time and money to produce. Time and money FFG is either not willing to spend or cannot afford to spend and they figure people are going to buy the packs regardless because they want the heroes. What i find tough is that the reprints a lot of the time are cards people never really wanted in the first place and that the new deck building cards are often very hit or miss (I don't know how Outta my way" got printed) or tribe limited so it feels like the good deck building options are growing at a glacial pace sometimes (back of the pack mods also don't help in that department). Justice in particular is so far behind where I would have expected it to be 3+ years into the game. It feels like the designers often struggle to make interesting aspect cards outside of allies.

[@GetUpandGame]

@@Atlas-FM8 Good points all around! Ha yeah Outta My Way, what the heck lol

[@grog3514]

I only buy heroes I like so I appreciate the reprints. I'm just too new to know which ones I should look out for.

[@GetUpandGame]

@@grog3514 you can always look through all the cards at hallofheroeslcg.com/browse/ That’s a nice way to get acquainted with the card pool and see where the cards you want live 🙂

[@6O8gamer07]

Swift Retribution in a Ms Marvel deck is pretty great. 6 damage for one cost is high ceiling. Use her ability bring it back for four more damage.The villain scheming isn’t too much of an issue since you’re running justice.

[@GetUpandGame]

Ooo yeah ok that does sound super good lol

[@Atlas-FM8]

Or you could play turn the tide. For 1 fewer cost it does 3 damage (5 if you embiggen it) plus you can play multiple turn the tides off the same response. So clear a scheme, turn the tide, exhaust ms marvel to get it back, play it again and then probably still have resources left over for something else. Seems like a better return than letting the villain scheme 2 extra times in a round just to deal 8-10 villain damage. It's also nice that Turn the Tide can damage minions where as Retribution can only hit the villain.

[@6O8gamer07]

@@Atlas-FM8 Only one time if you confuse the villain. Unless it’s one of those weird things where you didn’t actually satisfy the card bla bla. I’ve played a deck with both and have easily won. It’s not hard with her though since she’s so good anyways. I always try to play with cards deemed “not good enough” or “not as good so why bring it” from time to time just to see how they work in certain builds and certain characters etc.

[@JannPoo]

I'm not sure I can quite understand why you would consider spycraft and espionage to be still considered general use cards, but not upgrades that attach to allies with a specific trait. It seems to me that in both cases in the end everyone can use them as long as you have allies with the right trait. One very powerful application of Marked is to use it in conjunction with Into the Fray (which is a card you probably want to have anyway). If you use Into the Fray on a minion with Marked and 1 HP left, you will remove 5 threat from the main scheme *and* deal 5 damage to the villain. Add aggressive energy of other cards that boost the damage of an attack event and this will translate in even more threat and damage dealt to the villain.

[@GetUpandGame]

I think you’re absolutely right. I’m not one to use ally upgrades hardly ever, so I just didn’t really think about how easy it would be to fill a non X-men hero deck with all the good X-men allies and also use the Training cards and Game Time. That’s a blind spot in my analysis just based on lack of experience, and I’m glad that you pointed it out! It’ll help others who see this, and helps me be more well rounded in my thinking! I also realized I forgot to mention at the beginning of the video my strong solo bias which also affects my thinking on cards. For example the aggression stuff you mention sounds awesome, but I never feel like I have room in a solo deck for things like Marked. But again, might just be a play style thing. Thanks so much for such a great comment! 😊

[@JannPoo]

@@GetUpandGame Strange. I would consider into the fray almost mandatory in a solo aggression deck, except maybe for those with very few minions. But then again I don't have a huge collection and maybe you have better cards to deal with threat in aggression.

[@GetUpandGame]

@@JannPoo oh sorry, into the fray for sure! But Marked and aggressive energy are luxuries that I just haven’t been able find room for as there are so many other needs 🙂

[@j_atkinson]

@@GetUpandGame I recently played a Spider-Ham X-men Leadership deck that was killer on expert villains. Game Time was a game changer with the Danger Room Training on the X-men allies.

[@GetUpandGame]

@@j_atkinson that sounds absolutely awesome! I mentioned in an above comment that ally upgrades have never really featured in my play style, but after sitting across from a couple Game Time decks at Con of Heroes I fully intend to change that!

[@thenerdwithoutfear8378]

I recently started like literally maybe two weeks ago and yeah I like the X-Men but it feels like to much of the same. I wish they would throw in a non X-Men once in a while like a Daredevil pack or some FF stuff. I know there are still a lot of old cards for me to get but only focussing on one group that much is a bit lackluster imo Good video

[@GetUpandGame]

Thanks! Welcome to the game! This is typical of how they run the cycles. They’re generally focused around one team at a time. And in the case of the X-men, due to licensing agreements, they have to do a big chunk of mutant stuff all at once. What they did here that was a little different though is jam packed the cycle with X-men “only” cards which left the older teams out in the cold a little bit more than usual. Though now that we’ve seen almost all the heroes for the next wave that’s starting to make more sense. We’ve seen very little support for X-Force, and instead it seems they’ll also be making use of much of the stuff that came in this wave. So I guess it was just all front loaded at the beginning of the mutant trilogy, so now there’ll be more room for more generally useful stuff going forward 🙂 At the time of release it was a bit jarring, but now their plans are starting to make more sense lol

[@mitch-TO]

I think trait locking is really important for the theming of the game and also to help lower the barrier for deck building. But I wish this game did it as well as Lord of the Rings. In that game, each trait has a very particular flavor. Each trait has certain strategies and abilities that are unique to that trait in order to make them feel unique. Rohan decks employ different mechanisms than Silvan, which employ different mechanisms than Ents, etc. The theme of each trait really comes through their mechanisms. In Marvel Champions, I dont find that the Avengers have their own flavor , which differs from Guardians, or Champions. There’s no real theme to each trait.

[@GetUpandGame]

Yeah that’s a really good point. There isn’t much you can point to and say “I can see why you need to be a Guardian to play that”. I’m a big fan of the trait locked cards as it makes deck building easier and does give each team its own pool to choose from, but the theme could be WAY stronger. Also I super hope we get some kind of Sylvan style deck in this game! We’re on the right track with Sneak Attack and To Me My X-men but it isn’t quite there yet. Instead of Tree People bringing someone back we’ve got Go Down Swinging discarding them. So maybe it’s kind of a mix of Rohan and Sylvan

[@njh113]

You, you keep going through and actually counting cards, and what will players have to argue about? :-P terrific way to address this question! I actually did feel like the spider wave was pretty spider-centric. There are some cards I'd like from Storm and Cyclops that give me good reason to keep buying. I have a thought on reprints. I have a friend who thought about getting now since he loves X-Men. If all he had were the core box and the X-Men wave, would those reprints be decent or mostly clutter? Great video, Josh!

[@GetUpandGame]

Haha thanks! Definitely a topic people have some strong feelings about one way or the other, so I thought just presenting the numbers and a small amount of opinion might be the way to go lol I think they’re more decent than clutter. For me there are some cards I just never play with, but things like Endurance, Ready to Rumble, Unflappable, Preemptive Strike, and a fair few others would be nice to have if you didn’t already. I think someone could easily just get the core and the x cycle and have a great time!

[@TheVlad1616]

The amount of great X-men support cards is good and bad in a way. In a larger multiplayer game, all 7 of those supports are likely in play, especially since some can be used to help other players (x-Jet > Quincarrier for example). But in a solo game, can you afford to put all of these in your deck? The amount of useful cards may force you into different builds where you only include some of them. whereas it’s almost a no brainer to include Quincarrier in you solo game if you are an Avenger, because you don’t have other options really.

[@GetUpandGame]

You’re absolutely right! And I can tell you in solo you just have to pick and choose which ones are most vital, or all your decks kind of look the same. Which isn’t anything new because that’s how the Web Warriors are as well lol

[@Atlas-FM8]

I wish they had spread some of the basic X-men supports among the aspects, would have led to decks feeling more diverse across aspects.

[@118bone]

I think it is a closed environment, and I'm ok with this. I'm not too fond of mixing the X-men and avengers, maybe x-men and guardians. But this closed environment made me wish I had started with just X-men instead of all the previous stuff, as they are my favorite marvel comic property, but it's too expensive to buy everything.

[@GetUpandGame]

Oh that’s an interesting point. Typically I think of it as being best to be buying everything for a game like this from the beginning so it’s easier to keep up, but what if the stuff you want most comes along later? I’d never considered it from that angle 🤔

[@urloony]

Great video and a nice analysis. It looks like FFG clearly gave the X-Men some love. Perhaps this is an unpopular opinion, but I think by FFG limiting the release of general use cards in all decks in favor of sub-class specific cards or villain side schemes, is better for the overall health of the game. So many games suffer from bloat and fatigue from the shear volume of player cards. LOTR, my entry point into living card games, suffers from this greatly. A bloated card pool, power creep, and too many choices for new players tend to be hinderances down the road for the life of any card game.

[@GetUpandGame]

I couldn’t agree more actually. I’m so mad at myself that I was so focused on being glad there were at least a decent amount of cards left over for the general pool (which to be fair was the point of the video) that I never took a second to say how much I enjoy the trait locked cards. I really like each team having a flavor and some cards all their own. They’ve struck a good balance between the two And 100% about LotR as well 👍👍

[@MAXFightMan]

Great, well thought-out content. Nice work.

[@GetUpandGame]

Thank you so much!

[@mrmeow2297]

Are we done with X-Men already? I feel like there are hundreds of heroes and villains they could have added LOL maybe they're saving it for the future

[@GetUpandGame]

Nope there are supposed to be 2 more X-men cycles! So lots more mutant joy to come! 😁

[@Ibrahim-zd3vv]

I really dont like your way of counting reprints. Counting resource cards is really unfair. They are in every deck for a reason, and counting for every hero is really artificial way to inflate a number. Plus you get one one each so technically all tree of them take same place as other reprints(because you get tree of them). If you dont count these your reprint number will reduce by half. Also counting reprints of new cards is really underhanded. Yeah you may get x-mansion more than once but what if you want to play with friend. A you both want to play x-men. Not getting enought of these cards(especially basic ones) will really limit you deck building because even thought you bought so many x-men heroes you can really build only one good x-men deck.

[@GetUpandGame]

Thanks for the valuable feedback! I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy my method 🙏. I had no agenda going in and wasn’t trying to inflate the number of reprints. This was purely a mathematical exercise and I was counting the number of new cards being added to a pack, and the double resource cards do take up space that technically could’ve been new cards. And I did the same thing when counting for the previous cycles as well so the numbers were comparable across the whole spectrum of the game. As far as counting things like X-Mansion, X-Jet, and Utopia multiple times, those cards are unique so there can only be one in play anyways. So even in a multiplayer game there’s no reason for multiple people to run them, so those are just taking up space purely for the sake of being in that particular preconstructed deck. Which is fine if you keep them built, but again the exercise here was to determine the number of new deck building options. And ultimately my conclusion was that the new wave still sufficiently supported the overall card pool, despite all the reprints and X locked cards. So I certainly wasn’t thing to make it look bad or anything, I was actually fairly positive overall. 🙂 Thanks again for the excellent comment, and i hope my explanation made sense!

[@Ibrahim-zd3vv]

Sure. I acually dont mind it that much and it was really informative. Its just that your saying "look how many reprints i have" when half of them isnt really a reprint and more less mandatory card really rubbed me wrong way.

[@GetUpandGame]

@@Ibrahim-zd3vv fair enough!