Was Trading Eagle for Gannon the Best Thing Discmania has Done? | Debate Night

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[@zachSS199]

I don’t think it’s fair for Brodie to act the way he does, constantly interrupting and disrespect the other panelists time just because he’s Brodie Smith. Jake and others have been derailed with their time because of Brodie.

[@understabledave]

Brodie should lose points when he interrupts the others and uses part of their time. Save it for the rebuttal!

[@atra2450]

I think more people would watch the FPO if the PDGA could tell the difference between a stick and a bush 😢

[@isaiaholiver7222]

Loved Jack on the show! Keep it up guys

[@aheadbeyond1974]

Brodie talking durning someone’s time needs to stop. Maybe he should be the one that doesn’t come back.

[@thomasgermann1318]

This trophy discussion is silly. Have one big artistic trophy that the winners lift, add their name to it and have it year over year. That’s how you create iconic photos and traditions like the Stanley cup, World Cup in soccer, NBA trophy, Masters trophy, literally every other sport does this. These wearable or unique trophies can be a side prize they take home, like the masters green jacket.

[@pinhighdiscdyes]

Trevor you gotta take control of your show. Can’t let Brodie interrupt and take over during other panelist’s time. Especially without docking any points.

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

Yeah I don’t see that happening. Brodie’s basically had free reign since the first episode. He got a victory speech for coming 3rd.

[@zona9155]

It's because he has 2 million followers long before he was into disc golf. He is a gateway they feel like. If they had a chance to push him out. They would. All for traffic and views

[@TimTimsTim]

Brodie owns the company morons..

[@bobbyshizz2138]

The Finnish cowboy looked spectacular in the hat... Best in hat: Luke Humphries Worst in hat: Calvin Heimburg

[@discgolf2479]

Brodie loves telling people that their OPINIONS ARE WRONG

[@Daniel-lr4tr]

Brodie is just like my sister. He's the wuuuooorrssttt

[@doublebogeyricky]

Brodie talks just to hear himself talk. Can he yell rebuttal on himself?

[@hotmustardseed]

Pro tip: don’t say you agree with everyone, without much to add. Just start your turn as if you’re the first guy. Confidence. 👍🏽

[@ItsAllGood_]

Oh...so this is basically Around the Horn: Disc Golf. Wasnt sure what was going on at first. First time watching...

[@dblevins343]

I love the fact Brody is giving Jake a hard time about his house when Jake literally has a cheap Walmart lamp as his background. (For the record, I have the same lamp lol)

[@landonmaxfield1161]

I have a rebuttal for question #1. FPO already has 9ft rims. They play on shorter and easier courses than MPO. If they played the same tee pads and baskets as MPO there would be even more disparity in scores. So there is nothing wrong with making those FPO holes shorter because they already do and no one is complaining.

[@Bigshotdobbs]

Says the person who doesn’t have to manage install, additional caddy books, additional signs, etc. Just get rid of FPO tour altogether until they can get men out of their division. It’s holding Disc Golf growth back at this point. Do a mixed doubles every DGPT tournament a day or 2 before. But no dgpt fpo singles tour.

[@QaIeb]

The axe was by far the coolest trophy

[@nicholaszalycki6718]

The trophy problem is because there isn't any tradition that surrounds it. In the winter I curl and I play in tournaments where if you win you get to bring the trophy back to your home club and your names are engraved on it. The next year you bring the same trophy back to the tournament. 60 years from now your name will still be remembered because it's on the trophy. The guitar, hat will be forgotten

[@nautilusshell940]

Simple solution to unsure ob crossing: stroke and distance

[@liamsire]

Do the panelists have credentials (bloggers or KZbin, print media)((excluding foundation guys))? Or are they just fans who signed-up. Wasn't clear on the intro.

[@bradwurst8141]

They advertised running auditions for panelists via Instagram and maybe other platforms. I think they're mostly fellow Foundation fans

[@coryh9925]

Gooseman would look great in the cowboy hat. Very doc Holliday.

[@matthewmilam4760]

This is the way.

[@barrypeirson3710]

Ive heard just as many people say "Its player versus the course not player vs field". But different schools of thought I guess.

[@marcoshuerta8661]

They need to split the FPO and MPO it would help so much

[@dennis3224]

They actually should do a blank chess board for the trophy every year lol

[@aklevin]

On question 1, Jake made a good point that I think deserved one more point: if we want more top FPO talent, we need to find better ways to get more women and girls in the sport. To put it maybe a bit too simply, every woman and girl not playing disc golf could potentially be the next Kristin, but we'll never know, and the world is poorer for it!

[@BrentBowers-o4u]

Brodie turning into the Steven”screaming” A. Smith of disc golf.

[@WestonWhitney]

Best wearable trophy: USDGC ring

[@bookersbrye8498]

I like your show, as well as other shows that you guys produce. That being said, I do have a little constructive criticism for this show. I understand that the “contestants” need to know the topics in advance so they can research them and formulate coherent arguments. However, it really takes away from the format when people are literally reading their arguments instead of just passionately saying them. Please take the time to memorize your key points and then just speak from the heart. If you want us to be passionate about your show and ultimately your company, then you should be willing to put the effort in to memorize your arguments so we don’t have to watch you guys read your arguments like robots.

[@denniscomeau5190]

Introduce zones similar to sandtraps in ball golf, land in the zone and you must stand still while throwing.

[@baertheblader9402]

I don’t think this will be such a disadvantage unless it is like a par 5 that would require a full power shot.

[@baertheblader9402]

Instead of stand-still maybe if they had in-the-circle putting rules for that zone it would be more punishing. If follow-throughs are allowed then they can still get quite a bit of distance. I also don’t mind obstacles like a course I saw with a vine covered fence that blocked the path to the basket if you landed on the wrong side of it. I think being stuck behind a 6ft fence and being forced to throw an overhand shot would be more analogous to a sand trap.

[@jvladcliff4083]

Eagle and Simon's videos are kinda boring, there are plenty of just content creators making better video, it may have been alright during COVID but the landscape had changed and if they are not winning and making boring videos, not good for the future of their brand.

[@looksee8192]

the ending was hilarious lolol

[@joelwiebe1868]

Classic. So funny.

[@CaliWilderness]

Brodie is so polarizing. Disc Golf has evolved into an egomaniac sport instead of the close knit family it used to feel like.

[@Discsforbaskets]

That's called growth and the only reason there is money in the sport and more competitive players able to live on tour.

[@Philip.Eriksson]

The #1 factor that makes Simon different and the most popular is that he’s european. Niiklas will benefit from the same factor. Don’t underestimate the european factor and market.

[@ebebebebehehe]

Talent wise, yes. If we are talking about selling discs and products then I would say MVP still has the advantage. Gannon using a lot of Innova-made discs doesn’t help discmania sell their new plastic.

[@tjmcgough5333]

Nikilas is competing with Gannon on the reg with new discmania plastic, i hated it at first but now there my go toos

[@sylol200]

​@@tjmcgough5333 still doesn't change that MVP is the clear advantage with selling plastic. Besides Gannon both Nikilas and Klein don't really have a following that helps push product.

[@FormerAmericanIdol]

​@@sylol200MVP just has a loud voice on the internet. I don't really see much of their plastic IRL and even then it's 1-2 in a bag. Certainly having Simon and Eagle help, but seeing 800 rated players spike hyzer a timelapse 240ft doesn't 🤷

[@sylol200]

@@FormerAmericanIdol doesn't matter if an 800 rated player throws it lmao the majority of players aren't PDGA members amd the disc is still selling. I see MVP everywhere over discmania atm and it's not even close.

[@FormerAmericanIdol]

@@sylol200 I disagree, the majority of players "without" pdga numbers have no idea who Simon or Eagle even are. MVP is selling discs to mostly their fanboys and fans, not so much to players actually using and buying multiples of discs. I definitely see more Discmania being thrown, but I do see the occasional timelapse being "shown off" poorly on the course.

[@rustystrings0908]

AB would absolutely look the silliest in that cowboy hat

[@elliotmastin2313]

Jack claiming that hole 15 at WACO is a good hole is crazy… that’s a rough take 😅 Horrible hole, removing that was a great move

[@613cjt]

Texas States is the belt buckle

[@TheLoamFather]

best in a cowboy hat: philo worst in a cowboy hat: terry miller

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

We gonna see Dustin this season? Let’s rotate in the better performing guests more often. I thought the guests weren’t too bad today. Particularly Jack.

[@birdinflight3861]

Brodie gets his time and everyone else’s time.

[@villehytonen7279]

I think Bradley Williams would look good in the hat.

[@realgoose]

What’s the argument against using shotgun starts for final rounds? It would have allowed for all holes to be played in Austin. There could be even more drama as scores are similar across multiple cards in MPO and cards would be finishing around the same time. This would require cuts to fit the final player count to the shotgun start, and that could also make the storylines more compelling each tournament.

[@matthewfleming1000]

I’m confused on the first question. Does making the course easier level the playing field? Like when the guys play fountain hills, that’s a much easier course, right? But AB, Aaron gossage, Gannon, or whoever the best players are seem to rise to the top and destroy everyone else on a much easier course. How much are you changing things that that kind of advantage is nullified?

[@nautilusshell940]

It doesn't, they just wont state the obvious that the FPO field is terribly weak apart from maybe 5-10 players. The only thing that would change by having easier courses is lower scores. People want to win, no matter the course and slightly easier courses isnt going to magically make them 'try less hard' to win. FPO really needs to be its own separate tour, its weighing down MPO/DGPT by siphoning off money and views. It needs to grow organically on its own timeline/terms. No amount of moral posturing and subsidization is going to change the fact that men are more interested in sports than women, thus fewer female competitors and lower quality of competition.

[@detectablethickness]

ohn scoggins rocked the hell out of that cowboy hat too btw

[@jtdiscgolf2520]

Best in the hat has to be E. Oakley. Worst...I'm going off the course with Terry Miller.

[@mikethomas5451]

I think Brodie got shorted on his points score. Trevor, that first FPO question was good and for a second thought that maybe we should make the fpo courses a bit easier to tighten the field but the answers quickly changed my mind. Jack did very well this week.

[@Chaser90EK]

Can we please make referring to to Antilla as "The Finnish Cowboy" a thing?

[@aaronrobillard8296]

I think Babcock and Garret Gurthie would look great in the cowboy hat. I think Calvin and Alden would look out of place wearing the hat.

[@Hunterb-wb9vd]

Here’s a question: Does discmania even have the ability to separate from innova without what eagle and Simon did for their brand?

[@chrissmith5177]

Shorten the course, and the same few will still win. There are several women on tour who have zero chance to win, but they are playing every event.

[@hotmustardseed]

Clemons in the cowboy hat, please.

[@SDplinker]

The green jacket is what members of Augusta wear.... come on guys...that's why it's the trophy. There's no way that was "weird" when it was first given.

[@tonsterwen6268]

Why Dosnt the link work for me to submit a topic? What am I doin wrong

[@mikesurvant6730]

if it's ur disc going ob and the card is making a decision u r not suppose to be in that conversation when Missy had that ob that never crossed she was all up in the conversation

[@matthewfleming1000]

I feel like one of these first time guests needs to have a dissenting opinion occasionally. If you get schooled by a professional that’s fine. It makes for a good show and some people need to be educated. But why not explore other options for cutting the tournament short. What if you were at maple hill or somewhere with iconic holes. Just a thought that idky no one else is having.

[@robschoenung9543]

The green jackets don't leave the grounds of Augusta. So the cowboy hats would need to be kept on site.

[@danielhernandezanderson7807]

The winner can take it home for the year. Kinda has Stanley Cup vibes, but obviously not the same as that is shared. So also totally okay if the hat or whatever had it's own thing/rules or not.

[@BradSharpMR]

They implemented the change after players were already out, but what if they had the MPO tee off in the morning if they’re concerned about timing? FPO smaller field, would be finished in less time in the evening

[@amoog531]

5'9" is very short?

[@skfuzzbuster]

Talking about tradition in trophies you should look at a few in NASCAR like the grand father clock for Martinsville or the Lobster at Dover

[@rageoid]

The Real Dustin must return.... soon

[@rylansnider330]

I think the winner from last week should come back and then three new guys if available I’ll even fill in if I gotta lol

[@birdiesandbeers4722]

Next week please get Uli in here and have a topic on how benefit to the player is actually applied in the rule book.

[@MrXIDEWAYS]

Brodie with the sports cards had me laughing 😂

[@patnope6344]

i definitely wanted to hear Trevor and brodie get into that lol

[@barrynewkirk254]

Sick zay flowers card Brodie!!

[@jonnyb1898]

Hot take! I think they should stop renting courses and increase the prize pots. Go get state parks to let us make courses. Here in kingsport tn they put in a legit disc golf course that would be Fun to watch. It also adds more destinations that people can actually go play. It’s like pebble beach no one would really know it if it wasn’t on the tour

[@baertheblader9402]

The explanation to why that wouldn’t work is actually the reason the Memorial Championship in Arizona is not on tour anymore. Those courses are on public parks and the DGPT wanted to completely shut down the park so they can sell admission tickets, but they were not able to do that. They could sell the tickets, but they can’t stop someone who wants to ride down the bike path at Vista or wants to visit the Veterans Memorial at Fountain Hills from doing so.

[@jonnyb1898]

@@baertheblader9402 you would have to get specific courses that work.Because there having the same problem right now on the golf courses and they’re flushing money down the drain. It takes actual business people to run these kinds of deals because if matt’s off road recovery can close the park to host an off road games then it’s possible across the board. I’d rather have a guy on a mountain bike go by then watch disc golf on a golf course that looks thrown together and out of place. It comes down to what’s more important to these guys. I can name 10 plus courses in my area that would let these guys come do this and 6 of the ten are a park.

[@Universal-Jack]

Just to address the elephant in the room. That Javk, is not this Jack. 😁

[@jasondunnewold4946]

Jake and jack 📈📈

[@MrXIDEWAYS]

Joel freeman in the hat lol

[@faithinhisblood]

There's also something else that impacts the integrity of the FPO division.....

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

I would accept that argument if Natalie was winning by 10 strokes. Or winning at all. Or even getting close.

[@nautilusshell940]

@@leastselfawarepotassium Ryan has literally won multiple pro tour events and has been in the top 10 every event this year. Not that performance even matters, its simply morally wrong and unethical.

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

@@nautilusshell940Ryan hasn’t performed well since the legal action began. I just don’t think one mediocre athlete has that much of an effect on the integrity of a whole division.

[@nautilusshell940]

@@leastselfawarepotassium In the top 8 or less each tournament this year already. That isnt middle of the pack dude.

[@tinncan]

Top 10 FPO get promoted to Mixed Pro Open... Payouts for FPO start where the MPO ends...

[@me36391]

All I saw in this debate was Brodie aka Loyd, being totally redeemed after an ignorat take on another podcast about the tour should be playing

[@mattingly8322]

Sick another 20 min wasted on talking about a highschool level "pro" leauge . Fpo does nothing but hold the mpo back

[@detectablethickness]

if you hate women just say that. save yourself the keystrokes. alternatively, shut your damn mouth and stay away from our sport.

[@arendahl3857]

You don't enjoy it so it's pointless, got it. Great way to look at the world. Isn't pointless to my wife who attends two pro tour events a year to watch Kristin, or my daughter who is a Paige Pierce fan.