Was Vegito Vs Gogeta Ever Close?

[@rodthedigger2902]

Great video!

[@darryltorres7302]

I always found this debate to be pretty stupid. Vegito is obviously depicted as the superior method with longer fusion time and not needing to equalize power levels. Kind of braindead to compare the two when the goku and vegeta from the broly movie is vastly more powerful than the goku and vegeta from the zamasu arc. Clearly if Goku and vegeta used potara during the broly movie, Vegito would also be far stronger. So no, Vegito will always have the edge regardless of when they use the potara or fusion dance.

[@mrperfectcell5079]

Well the point of the video was to go over all variations of the topic which was I used those matchups

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

What's stopping gogeta from beating Vegito before time runs out? Gogeta has a better track record

[@joshuakulah1496]

​@SuperKamiGuruu Gogeta having a better track record is your argument for him being stronger than Vegito?

[@shadowsansvii8715]

@@SuperKamiGuruuby track record, you mean he wins fights and Vegito doesn’t right? You’re just gonna completely ignore the context of their fights then? Answer this. Has Vegito ever been outsmarted, knocked out, or killed by his opponent? And has Gogeta ever knocked out or killed his opponent? Remember that we are only using the main DBS continuity. So DBH and Fusion Reborn don’t count. They are different continuities.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@@shadowsansvii8715 Has Gogeta been made to time out before in DBS and DBZ?.... No, but Vegito has lol

[@Fazbear69]

Good video keep up the great work

[@XRaiden1]

wait i want to go back on thw part where you mention force spirit fission and how mor could inflict damage on gogeta, from what you showed when talking about it, piccolo say they would be rendered useless NOW, as in if they fused now it wouldnt change much since he could defuse them but how the hell does that work if the fusion at that time would most likely be way stronger than moro so i doubt he would damage either fusions formed at that time but thats a whole can of worms i dont want to touch so ill get to my point, piccolo isn't referring to just gogeta his referring to both him and vegito as he says fusion dance and potara earings so going of by that you cant use that to say gogeta is weaker than vegito manga wise since its referring to both of them

[@mrperfectcell5079]

It would just suggest that mui is a greater boost than fusion also piccolo wouldn’t know the power of potarra as he has never seen it first hand before so I don’t think he would be able to make a claim on rhat

[@XRaiden1]

@@mrperfectcell5079 ​i mean i doubt that mui being stronger than fusion has anything to do with since he specifically says force spirit fission is the issue not moro's strength, his not saying moro would be stronger than their fusion rather that he could defuse them also if what piccolo saying about potara isnt true wouldn't goku comment on that(his seen potaras power multiple times)? or at least attempt to get the potara through instant transmission to the kai's? i mean at that point there is kinda no hope(i know its most likely for plot convenience but that cant always be the excuse)

[@mrperfectcell5079]

@@XRaiden1 it could be that forever spirit fission is an issue because gogeta is not strong enough to resist its effects We don’t know what Goku would tell piccolo about Potara he might say it was incredible or super strong or whatever but I doubt he would tell him the exact strength of the fusion Also Goku wouldn’t have to comment on it just because he doesn’t say anything doesn’t mean he agrees also Goku can’t sense supreme Kai from earth as his chi is too weak so he couldn’t even grab the Potara if he wanted too also Goku usually steers away from using the potarra so idk if that would be in character for him

[@-toxicus-8582]

@@XRaiden1Forced Spirit Fission requires Moro to be able to touch Gogeta for it to work. So he would still need some relativity to Gogeta's speed to be able to do unfuse him

[@yeikelamores6085]

Honestly, I never take any statement of someone approaching, equaling or surpassing Beerus seriously,Since the statement has been said so many times either on screen, or in promotional materials or guides and then proven to be clearly false since Beerus much stronger in the end,We have statements from people approaching the power of Beerus from the BoG to date, more than 10 years of statements and still none have been proven to be really true

[@oceanicblaze-o_b-9752]

I say the argument is pointless until Toyotaro or Fuji or Toei actually animate Vegito vs Gogeta, since there are many videos saying Gogeta is better and videos saying Vegito is better, but the fandom has been wrong power scaling wise before. A good example would be Gohan vs Goku in the Beast vs Mui fight, wouldn't it be reaslnable to assume that the manga tried to work around giving us a distinct winner since it may cause pandemonium aomg the fandom? Seeing the 2 fight would break the internet, but ultimately they would probably write a way around giving us a clear winner, like saying one is faster than the other and the other is stronger or one would win under this condition and the other would win under that condition All Im saying is the debate is, in the words of Gogeta "Futile" until the series canonically does something about their rivalry

[@shadowsansvii8715]

There is no rivalry. It’s a fan created thing. And the point of power scaling is about finding the most accurate answer given the info we have. You don’t need to wait for a direct official answer to figure things out. Vegito winning is pretty clear cut.

[@extremelegendsupreme4596]

Using buus statements to downplay fusion dance is just retarded since buu also thought he could beat super vegito even after getting his ass kicked. Not to mention the fact that buutenks and buuhan both aren’t even 3x ultimate gohan so him being above a hypothetical gokhan or buu saga gogeta makes no sense since fusion multiplies power hundreds of times over (buu refers his absorptions as “additions” and this makes sense as if it was multiplication or exponential buuicolo would have been thousands or even millions of times stronger than ultimate gohan as piccolo’s power level would’ve been at least in the hundred millions by the buu saga yet goku says gohan can beat buuicolo. Also during the namek saga we see characters get one shot with very small differences in power like vegeta vs dodoria which is a 9% difference in power). There’s also the fact that buutenks LITERALLY says he’ll kill goku before he has a chance to fuse so the dude is clearly overestimating.

[@mrperfectcell5079]

Buu didn’t actually think he could beat super vegito it was clear he was just being arrogant and talking shit and this is shown with his demeanor Buus absorptions are very likely not linear so I don’t think you can say they are only a few times above ultimate Gohan with the one thing suggesting otherwise is buuicollo but the problem is that ultimate Gohan could likely just be that much above super buu as nothing really contradicts it, it also could be that piccolo didn’t amp Buu at all as not all absorptions increase buus power and he seemed to only absorb piccolo for his intelligence The namek saga thing can be explained away by dodoria and zarbon and cui being mentally nerfed giving them limited access to their shoki and yuki so they were not only 9% weaker when Vegeta one shot em this makes even more absence since ssj goku who’s 20% above Frieza was not one shotting him Also I don’t see how buutenks saying that means he is overestimating

[@Arcadia_warlic]

Technically the introduction to fusion would be Namekian assimilation, if not some earlier concept. Feel like it should have been mentioned that base Vegetto does not even fight in the manga.

[@Jaiwiqik]

VC debate discord ill embarrass you on this topic like i did last time

[@mrperfectcell5079]

The hell are you talking about I have no idea who you are

[@mrperfectcell5079]

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[@MiguelTheAnomaly85]

The scan you showed literally said that Black Frieza is only HEADING towards G.O.D level Beerus is shown being the strongest G.O.D and Vegito scaling to him would mean he should be outright superior to Frieza. However, that's only if you accept that statement. I have seen arguments try and debunk that scaling.

[@mrperfectcell5079]

Well vegito being superior to Frieza just supports my case even more

[@MiguelTheAnomaly85]

@mrperfectcell5079 Agreed, I just didn't like the way you worded the scan in the video. When it said that Frieza is barely reaching G.O.D level.

[@mrperfectcell5079]

@@MiguelTheAnomaly85 it said he was close to god level and it was probably talking about the Frieza that one shot goku as the guide also says they don’t know friezas fp

[@MiguelTheAnomaly85]

@mrperfectcell5079 That is true however. One thing you forgot to mention is that Vegito can stack Mastered Super Saiyan Blue on top of already having power equal to Beerus.

[@amogus1415]

I disagree with the vegito=beerus thing for a few reasons 1)Beerus is pretty obviously a moving goalpost,especially in the manga,so i woudnt take a v jump statement super seriously,especially since its very possible beerus just grows stronger,since he cliffed TOP and jiren tier fighters,despite the GOD exhibiton match.His dialogue to vegeta regarding ultra ego seems to imply he has a limitless pool of growth too. 2)It seems to contradict when zamasu was obviously some percentage of vegito,like he wasnt bleach spiritual pressure erased from his mere presence.Since mastered blue goku was rivalling zamasu,and then he goes on to grow much stronger,to the point that he went from losing to broly in blue,to vegeta being able to tank hits in base,it seems really weird that current beerus who can neg gohan beast,full power goku,orange piccolo and vegeta is somehow still equal to vegito 3)Despite potara being stated stronger,they're still obviously meant to be relative,with the studio being aware of the fan debate and playing into it with databooks and hype and fanservice,so it doesnt make sense that vegito from 7 years ago can still bully gogeta,kinda weird

[@mrperfectcell5079]

1. He wasn’t really a moving goalpost it was just that he was just stronger than we though and was more suppressed than we realized we I think you can explain away most instances of things implying he got stronger or was surpassed 2.zamasu was literally getting perception blitzed at times and vegito was likely holding back on Zamasu which makes sense considering how he was clearly treating him like a plaything it would be the FP vegito that is equal to beerus also it’s headcanon to say beerus can slam beasthan 3.i think there is a very clear narrative that Potara slams fusion considienrg all the evidence I brought up all there is to suggest they are equal or relative is one hyped up promotional statement that can be interpreted differently plus one scan does not go against the numerous other scans saying the exact opposite

[@amogus1415]

@@mrperfectcell5079 1)How do you explain the jiren and BOG stuff then? 2)Why would vegito hold back when the universe is in danger?Isn't he a battle genius?He seemed like he was gonna hit him with a kamehameha 3)I mean like,if you look at the buu saga,a hypothetical gogeta would perform roughly the same id imagine,or do you think like a potara gotenks would just blink away buuhan,cause that's much lower than the gap between a hypothetical black arc gogeta vs current beerus.Same thing with the kefla stuff,the boost doesn't seem as big as a 6 arc gap 4)Even looking at that databook statement,even if vegito is stronger,the statement doesn't make sense if you read it while thinking vegito is thousands of times stronger,like it doesn't read well.

[@mrperfectcell5079]

@@amogus1415 1.beerus never implies he went all out on goku in bog and the statements about jiren surpassing gods seem to be only be talking about his godof destruction unlike the anime version 2. He was toying with him at first because he knew he was stronger regardless of whether he was holding back or not so the universe being in danger didn’t matter cus him not being at FP wouldn’t have changed the outcome it would just result in vegito consuming more energy, also the kamehameha at the end coul be argued to actually be vegito at FP which makes sense since it was said he was going gonna end buu there and it was actually stated zamasu would have died there and then had he not defused I do not think gogeta would have done nearly as well against buuhan considering the overwhelming amount of evidence saying Potara is a bigger amp, also I think it’s impossible to say how a Potara gotenks would do against buuhan so I just wouldn’t make a claim on it, also you seem to basing vegito being weaker off of personal feelings rather than actual evidence if Potara was that much more power it wouldn’t really contradict anything I never said Vegito was thousands of times stronger also the statement doesn’t make sense regardless cus they just aren’t equal

[@dungton6066]

My opinion is always Vegitto is stronger than Gogeta over a short period of time but with Gogeta having a full 30 minutes and not drain his time so quickly by using power like SSJ3, he is on par with Vegitto.

[@dungton6066]

You can see this even after the Broly movie, Gogeta didnt even defuse or Gotenk dropping out of SSJ3 before defuse

[@-toxicus-8582]

@@dungton6066tbf his fight with Broly could have simply not lasted long enough for him to be close to run out of time. We need to keep in mind that these characters fight at insane speeds, specially Gogeta and Broly who are like one of the strongest characters in the anime

[@shadowsansvii8715]

We see that Gotenk’s time got drained so it’s odd that Gogeta’s didn’t. The best reason most people come up with is that Vegito wasn’t using a properly controlled SSB yet. While Gogeta was using a controlled SSB that wouldn’t drain his power. Plus we don’t know how MUI would affect the fusion timer so we could just assume that both have their full time. Either way, Vegito doesn’t need more time than Gogeta to defeat him. He’s more powerful.

[@OverlyEpux]

@@shadowsansvii8715 Vegito goes all out from the start of the Zamasu fight, while Gogeta plays around with Broly for a while before he finally goes blue. Since Broly doesnt have regen, Gogeta didnt have to strain himself like Vegito did while fighting the literal immortal Zamasu

[@tenmayato4829]

3:28 I disagree, Buuhan did press Vegito twice adnd we don't only see that due to visuals or statements but the Narrator implied that too, so Kid Buu is superior to Vegito

[@Nathan24634]

I just have them as equals especially since much newer statement constantly portrait them as equal trump cards or whatever and i take the newer statements as having more precedent over the older statements i don't vegito being stated as a rival to beerus as i haven't managed to read the dns manga and i don't know if the broky movie has a manga arc and in the anime vegito is a rival to to merged zamazu showing that at least in the anime the potara isn't absolutely insane and gegeta was able to manhandle a broky who was able to perform similar to merged zamazu did against the Saiyan duo in a weaker form than the one that gogeta didn't get hit by once i think if you grab vegito he would have down just as well potentially worse if you think he constantly holds back duebto cockiness which i don't think we have seen enough to state that so i just say there full power

[@RobinTheMetaGod]

Okay, things to point out; 1) Vegetto is Vegeta Power Level x Goku Power Level 2) Gogeta is "Goku plus Vegeta times dozens" (~60) 3) the SSJ God is a 300 sextillion multiplier (debate me) 4) GT is a 400x multiplier 5) the SSJ4 is arguably 10x Ozaru SSJ3 6) training for one arc at least in super is a 20x multiplier 7) Goku Power Level base form before Vegetto is over 60 million Therefore SSJB Vegetto Black arc > SSJB/SSJ Gogeta Broly fight > God Ki Base Gogeta vs Broly > Vegetto base vs Black > Gogeta base vs Broly > SSJ2 Vegetto Buu arc > SSJ4 Gogeta vs O Shenron > SSJ1 Vegetto Buu arc > Vegetto base vs Buu > SSJ Gogeta vs Jamember That is how I have them currently ranked.

[@Nathan24634]

Except i am pretty sure that gogeta literally states that the power hasn't just been added but magnified or something heavily implying a multiplication in there powers and there have been newer statement that put gogeta and vegito as equal which i take the newer statement over the older ones

[@Tahmeedyeager345]

Your analysis is honestly pretty good. Although i do think that the fusion multiplier or increase is messy and inconsistent as heck. The super exciting guide(as much as scans as i have seen) has statements of trunks and gotens metamorian fusion being an fighter × fighter or full multiplication of a boost and power. Then the same super exciting guide also says that or mostly refers to potara being also fighter x fighter or a multiplication. In the dbz manga, around the time goku was teaching goten and trunks about how to practice metamorian fusion, goku says that the power will be greater then the sum of their power and then some. In dragon ball super around the tournament of power, vados says that the new fusion body of kefla is greater then the combined power of kale and caulifa and then also is stronger by tens of times. By the way this is potara fusion which kale and caulifa performed. Not too mention this contradicts the super exciting guide statements entirely. Then in the dbs broly movie gogeta says that their power aren't just added together, they have been significantly magnified. This metamorian fusion by the way. The fusion multiplier is so inconsistent. 😅

[@Tahmeedyeager345]

Your analysis is honestly pretty good. Although i do think that the fusion multiplier or increase is messy and inconsistent as heck. The super exciting guide(as much as scans as i have seen) has statements of trunks and gotens metamorian fusion being an fighter × fighter or full multiplication of a boost and power. Then the same super exciting guide also says that or mostly refers to potara being also fighter x fighter or a multiplication. In the dbz manga, around the time goku was teaching goten and trunks about how to practice metamorian fusion, goku says that the power will be greater then the sum of their power and then some. In dragon ball super around the tournament of power, vados says that the new fusion body of kefla is greater then the combined power of kale and caulifa and then also is stronger by tens of times. By the way this is potara fusion which kale and caulifa performed. Not too mention this contradicts the super exciting guide statements entirely. Then in the dbs broly movie gogeta says that their power aren't just added together, they have been significantly magnified. This metamorian fusion by the way. The fusion multiplier is so inconsistent. 😅

[@ritish313]

If it's a hypothetical current version then Vegito>gogeta

[@theheadlessglen]

W

[@azimuddin1890]

Comparing fusion and merger. I’d say Vegetto. Metamoran Fusion requires both fusions to be equal while Potara doesn’t, so in my opinion, it’s Vegetto. Gokou - 3 Vegeta - 2 Gogeta - 6 Vegetto - 4 As for each other their appearances fighting each other. (Boo Saga) Vegetto vs (Janemba movie) Gogeta, personally, I don’t think it’s fair cause I don’t know how each feats would compare to each other in the same movie. (Gokou Black Saga) Vegetto vs (Super Broly movie) Gogeta, Gogeta wins due to Vegetto being equal to Zamasu who was surpassed by Jiren which Gokou was able to catch up on a suppressed version, and (Super Broly) Gogeta is a fusion of that Gokou. In the Super manga, I’d say probably Vegetto who is said by Shin and confirmed by V-Jump to be equal to Berrus who has not been rivaled by anyone else. Gogeta, not sure honestly.

[@nevadalotto560]

Gogeta easily beat his opponents GOGETA ALL DAY

[@shaheedreid1849]

I like how everyone is using dbl art lol

[@mrperfectcell5079]

Cus it’s fire

[@ACertainMan]

Piccolo implies both fusions (potata and the dance ) wouldn't do shit to Moro due to forced spirit fission so your claim regarding Gogeta breaking his hand on Vegito's chest while hillarious is not an accurate depiction. Vegito is powercrept by the tournament of power he doesn't scale to Beerus.

[@simeon8814]

I think fusion is below potara but using the buutenks and buuhan statements isn't really the best way given that super buu is overconfident and absorbed many arrogant saiyand(also given their overall scaling, this is further confirmed)

[@mrperfectcell5079]

He definitely is arrogant but he has experienced the power of the fusion dance first hand and there was no reason for him to be wrong

[@simeon8814]

​@@mrperfectcell5079let's break It down, a guy Who Is two times the strength of Gotenks(Super Buu was stated to be equal to Gotenks), thus isn't 2 times the strength of Gohan, can beat the fusion of Gohan and Goku(Who was alr stronger than Gohan)? Honestly, that's too much of a Stretch, especially since he said he was above Vegito which he wouldn't be if he didn't have his rage boosts

[@mrperfectcell5079]

@@simeon8814 this is assuming buus absorbtion are linear which they probably aren’t In the manga Buuhan>Base>8x>Base Gokhan>Buutenks This is because eml says that ssj vegito is stronger than a Gokhan fusion including ssj3 and elder Kai says that base Gokhan can beat Buutenks and seg says that base vegito was only the strongest after he became a ssj So in the manga buus absorbtion are 100% an exponential amp and these scans in the anime that suggest Buutenks and buuhan beating hypothetical Gokhan and gogeta fusions would just support that

[@simeon8814]

@@mrperfectcell5079 maybe you can argue that in the manga although that's still hard since there are also guides saying base vegito was already the strongest, also if we go by the anime(which is what I was going to when I posted the comment), it clearly isn't the case as Buu needed his rage amps and Gohan and Goku were not astronomically weaker than Buutenks supporting what I Just said, the manga might imply that but the anime shows us the opposite and that it was confidence

[@simeon8814]

@@mrperfectcell5079 also if you Remember, the manga have the Same statements from Buutenks and Buuhan, but again, while you can try to make a case for the manga, the anime portrays Goku and Gohan as very close to Buutenks and Buuhan also thought he could beat Vegito so that's unlikely

[@moef8971]

"There is one a problem: Gogeta and Vegito can both use the Kamehameha attack. If Gogeta uses Stardust Breaker, Vegito can do the same. They are different beings with different types of fusion, but they both can use the same attacks. They are both strong. If you want a winner, Gogeta would win because he has immense power. That's why Gogeta in GT has red hair, which is different from SSJ4. In the movie, Gogeta was in SSJ1 form, not in his base form."

[@Aaaaammmmmmgggg]

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[@shadowsansvii8715]

Vegito also has immense power. Also that SSaj4 red hair you brought up is head canon. He is always referred to as being in ssj4. And your argument ignores official guidebook statements. And other factors that help support them such as the rival boost, how the fusion multipliers work, the skill they have displayed, etc.

[@moef8971]

@@shadowsansvii8715 tell i have questions why gogeta fusion reborn was just ssj1 not base just ssj1

[@nevadalotto560]

No it wasn't close gogeta would honestly kill vegito duh

[@shadowsansvii8715]

Okay, I’m going to make an argument on the same level as yours. Get ready. No, it wasn’t close Vegito would honestly kill Gogeta duh

[@nevadalotto560]

@@shadowsansvii8715 The same vegito who couldn't beat fused zamasu but trunks could. The same Gogeta who literally beat broly with no difficulties yeah ok then Gogeta solos know your dragon ball and just stop embarrassing yourself 🤦

[@om9959]

​​@@nevadalotto560your using current gogeta vs black arc vegeto .Current vegeto claps gogeta butt.The same who was overpowering another potara fusion.Gogeta at vegeto place would have absolutely get clapped by zamasu who is a potara fusion.

[@nevadalotto560]

@@om9959 Current vegito nah Gogeta always kills his opponents quick while vegito can't come on

[@Bleeperblopper497]

​@@nevadalotto560 You're wrong