@@jeanpaulgaudet5622 I mean yeah ki blasts do function differently but form what we see here this just seems like a regular ki blast so there’s no reason to believe it would have any special property or whatever The thing is the blast was actually said to be a beam of light no that it was just emitting light so I don’t see why the blast wouldn’t just be light speed The meteors can be stationary for all I care the main point is that Goku’s ship was moving at MFTL speeds so the Goku would have to have comparable combat speeds to his ship to react to objects flying by him while traveling at that speed. Even if the meteors were traveling in the same direction as the ship it wouldn’t really matter considering relativistic speeds would be pretty insignificant to the speeds Goku’s ship was moving at. Also there’s no reason to believe the ship slowed down at all. The only thing that was damaged was the ships navigation systems and Goku himself even comments on how fast the ship is so I don’t see why it would be moving any slower Most of these examples are travel speed feats which you should know don’t always correlate to combat speed, Also you should know Goku was sleeping half the time during his run through snake way and that instant transmission is fast enough to travel universal distances in seconds so even to ftl characters that would appear insanely fast. Also it took cell 60 seconds to explode not 60 minutes and I don’t see how him using that specific technique is a debunk. Also literally none of the characters could touch him or else he’d explode that’s why no one did I think you argument just relies on a lot of headcanon, blantant misinterpretation and trying to prove authors intent which you literally can’t do

@Roberto-fg9oj Murata works HEAVILY with One and if you're not upto date as of right now there been massive changes to the story all done with One's knowledge. So it's safe to say if Murata says something that One shares that belief

@kikitori2413 no all that was implied is that they might have just forgotten about it in that moment. It’s also possible goku may have underestimated how nerfed he was, so the counter still applies. Also you can’t just disregard daizenshuu and guide statements like they aren’t still official material Gohans hidden power being that strong is only ever hyped up in the cell saga which is fine because goku later on can just surpass Gohans hidden power like ssj2 Goku surpassing teen Gohan there’s no contradiction whatsoever It wasn’t plot, the bomb just wasn’t strong enough, in fact eml kind of implies that Gohan and gotenks by themselves can’t beta buu and that they would need Goku’s help to do it

@ its never stated that goku knew that, so you cant say they forgotten about that or that he does not know that he become more weak than he thought, the only thing goku said is that they need the metamor fusion to beat him, goku never mentioned something about size ecc, even because super bu said after “you become smaller” so that implies that goku did not know that. Official does not mean canon, but if a guide contradicts something inside the story then the statement has 0 value Gohan hidden power is the strongest since the saiyan saga, they said that when vegeta and nappa talked about hybrid saiyan, also gohan ssj2 pull out all of his power that he had at that moment but not all his hidden power ever, the “ultimate form” make gohan able to use all of his hidden power ever without any transformation. It was plot, since we know from the other statement that they could beat kid bu with gotenks or gohan, it would be just to boring to see this, so they decide to use genkidama, also because only the plot can explain how all of human’s ki can beast kid bu.

I mean Goku can feel his own ki idk why he wouldn’t be able to tell he’s weaker idk why you are arguing that. Also just because he doesn’t mention it’s due to his size doesn’t mean that’s not what he meant. I alredy explained why the super buu statement doesn’t matter It’s official material that directly ties to the manga and has been worked on by toriyamas official staff team and editors so yes it is canon and there’s literally no reason to believe it isn’t Dawg so if saiyan saga Gohan unleashed his hidden power would he above mui goku? Like Goku probably just surpassed that Gohan not that hard to comprehend No it’s not plot it’s never sta tree s Gohan or gotenks could beat kid buu you are making that up. Also the humans can take down buu simply because genki is an exponential amp and this has been demonstrated several times

@@mrperfectcell5079 goku did not knew that, if he sensed his own ki and undestand that he became weaker (which he did not) he would not be surprised that he could not make much against super bu inside of his body, so why are you saying that he can sense his own ki but before that comment you said they forgot about that? Goku never said nothing about becoming weaker or smaller, and the dialoge with super bu proves that. It is not canon if they contradict the original story as i said before, no metter how many statement you can find, they are not valid anymore. Goku in super or gt surpassed ultimate gohan for other reason that we can exclude from that topic since they are irrilevant, the point is that hybrid hidden power like gohan is higher than normal saiyan, so since ultimate pull out all the hidden power we knew that gohan was stronger than goku. It is plot, its stated in the manga that gotenks and gohan can beat bu thanks to the scaling i give you before, just because a random spanish guide says different it has no value if i prove the opposite with the manga, and what is the explaination of the genkidama? It just take a little part of ki/ or the entire ki from people, how could this beat majin buu? And its pretty obvious that its for plot even because goku was able to beat kid bu if he was at 100% power, they might ask polunga to give goku full energy but they only did at the end.

@ you keep asserting that, but you have no actual sufficient basis. Ki sensing is a passive ability for Goku, we know due to several characters suddenly picking up ki signatures while not actively focusing on ki sensory, so Goku should have knowledge about his nerfed state, however that doesn’t mean he knows exactly how nerfed he was. Another interpretation is that he just forgot about said nerf when he was speaking to super buu which is supported by super buu saying “have you forgotten you’re tiny?” Just because Goku does not mention size when he says he can’t beat super buu does not mean it can’t be what he’s referring to that is an argument from ignorance. Fusion can even play into my interpretation as it could be that fusion is so strong it can beat buu despite the nerf or you can also say that from Goku’s experience being smaller would not affect the strength of a fusion hence vegito staying the same strength as a candy ball Dude… the story contradicts itself sometimes. What the fuck do you think retcons are? Just because a guide is wrong sometimes does not discredit the entire source. You need a more sufficient basis to assert guides cannot be used. No hybrids hidden power is not always greater than a normal Saiyans that would not apply if their base abilities are somewhat a relative as obviously Gohan in the Saiyan saga is not gonna be stronger than ssj3 goku just because his hidden power is unlocked. Besides all hidden power even is is latent energy within your body that you can’t normally use and I don’t see a problem with Goku eventually surpassing that. What you are thinking of is POTENTIAL. You do realize Gohan had his latent power unlocked in the namek saga yet Goku still surpassed him when he fought Ginyu right? No goku never says Gohan and gotenks could best kid buu all he says is that it might be a decent idea to have them fight kid buu, which doesn’t mean they could actually win. EML would just support that interpretation since it implies kid buu can 2v1 then. The genkidama used against kid buu was specifically stated to have taken ALL of the donators energy not just a little, so you already don’t know what you’re talking about. If Goku believes that he at 100% can kill kid buu all that would mean is that Goku just surpasses the initial spirit bomb trust had gohans energy. And I already explained how genki is an exponential amp that’s why humans were able to play such a big factor when they gave their energy to the spirit bomb.