Was Yoda a Bad Grandmaster? - Yoda on Trial

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@kumiho4970
@kumiho4970 6 ай бұрын
I often wonder if Yoda didn't feel the dark side growing because Darth Sidious had been so careful to let it grow slowly, unobtrusively, so that an aging grandmaster might at first think that his own powers were dimming with age, and not realize that it was actual interference until Sidious wanted him to know there was trouble
@ajjdarklord
@ajjdarklord 6 ай бұрын
Nothing to do w age it was just as you said but the veil of the dark side clouded everything
@Ainttrippin
@Ainttrippin 5 ай бұрын
Him and Mace Windu literally said out loud that their powers were waning and the dark side was clouding everything. They felt it
@antioneatkins7724
@antioneatkins7724 6 ай бұрын
Short answer: Yes. He was powerful and never realized Palpatine was a Sith Lord. He was being too involved with the Jedi business. Knowing so much about their history and never sensing anything from him?? All that meditated on the Force but couldn't see what was right before them.
@C0ffeeKing
@C0ffeeKing 6 ай бұрын
Palpatine was able to mask his midichlorians from force sensitives
@chiquita683
@chiquita683 6 ай бұрын
He literally ran away and hid the first time he had the chance to be a real hero to the galaxy. Basically he was in it for the perks
@mortalitydoesstuff8965
@mortalitydoesstuff8965 6 ай бұрын
​@@chiquita683exiling himself after trying to kill the emperor isn't the same thing as hiding away. The outcome is the same, but it's not like he didn't do his best in that moment to make up for his own transgressions.
@antioneatkins7724
@antioneatkins7724 3 ай бұрын
@@C0ffeeKing yes I know he used sith alchemy but Yoda being 900 years old he should know how to see thru that
@antioneatkins7724
@antioneatkins7724 3 ай бұрын
@@chiquita683 facts
@LouisZezeran
@LouisZezeran 6 ай бұрын
He holds a position that holders usually keep for the rest of their life. He happens to live a long time so it doesn’t work out. A group needs a fresh leader to help them change to the times.
@Ainttrippin
@Ainttrippin 5 ай бұрын
Organizational leadership 101
@BIGJATPSU
@BIGJATPSU 6 ай бұрын
Yoda as a failure is certainly true from a certain point of view, and I think he knew this without question later in life and indeed after his physical death. "Failure yes. The greatest teacher, failure is." " Pass on what you have learned. Strength, mastery, hmm… but weakness, folly, failure also. Yes: failure, most of all." This is someone who fought to the bitter end and watched his world burn KNOWING in the end his side would win eventaully in my opinion.
@thewanderingronin5433
@thewanderingronin5433 6 ай бұрын
The problem with Yoda primarily is that he was very stuck in his ways after living through an era of peace and couldn't or wouldn't adapt as the sith had. So when war broke out I think its fair to say he was out of his element. Secondly, he ignored or dismissed a lot of flaws of both the jedi and republic, but also the signs of their doom. The main reason the jedi fought after all was to preserve the republic not for a peaceful resolution, didn't want to better the galaxy just maintain the status quo.
@lordofpain3476
@lordofpain3476 6 ай бұрын
#1 . Yoda was alive throughout 90% of the Rule of two era , and never sensed it . #2 . Yoda trained jedi for 8 centuries , in that time they became weak , arrogant and lazy . #3 . There were at least two Sith Lords in his lineage . #4 . A previously unknown clone army just happens to show up just in time to fight a civil war started by his padawan , and he blindly brings them into the Republic . #5. The most powerful being in recorded history ( one who's visions have previously come true and is well known to have emotional problems ) comes to him about visions of a loved one dying , what does the troll tell him to do ? Let them die and be happy about it . Absolutely asinine !!!!! #6 . He has visions of the jedi being slaughtered by clones , and ignores it . #7. After he allows the jedi to be slaughtered , he runs away to protect himself . #8 . He thought himself as the most powerful being in the galaxy , but sat in multiple meetings with a Sith Lord and never had a clue . #9. He encouraged a farmer with less than two or three months of training to go to fight not one but two Sith Lords ( one of which , had previously kicked his little green ass . ) and never mentioned anything about force lightning. All of this sounds pretty damn incompetent to me .
@leopold43
@leopold43 6 ай бұрын
Everything I agree with until 7-9 7. Yoda doesnt retreat until after his stalemate with sidious and at this point the jedi already lost and everyone saw them as enemies so there was nothing that could be done except retreat and plan. 8. Although he shouldve sensed something, yoda never regarded himself as the most powerful being. Others may have seen him as such but jedi, in general, dont wear their power on their sleeves. Its contradictory to the philosophy. Especially considering that they use their power to serve others or rather the republic lol unlike the sith who serve themselves. 9. At that point luke was ready to fight vader but remember yoda did try to talk him out of it the first time in ESB but he saw his growth since then. And luke knew he was ready. He just was hestitant because he didnt want to end his father. As for dealing with sidious, i dont know lol. Maybe luke couldve taken him if he didnt toss his saber? Sidious was old at this point. Been over 20yrs. And then a weakened, 1 armed vader tosses him into the reactor shaft
@lordofpain3476
@lordofpain3476 4 ай бұрын
@leopold43 , what's your point ? The plain cold fact of the matter was that yoda was a arrogant little failure.
@Phoenix_A.W.810
@Phoenix_A.W.810 6 ай бұрын
Yoda definitely could have addressed Anakin's concerns better when he came to him about his visions of Padme and his mother. I felt that the way he talked to him, basically telling him to "suck it up, this not how jedi are suppose to act" in so many words, that was the wrong approach for someone who didn't grow up with the same amount of discipline as all the other padawans that were there at a younger age than him. Anakin was powerful but still lacking the discipline of self control, and Yoda should have instructed Obi wan to be more mindful of that. and take a softer approach. Telling Anakin to suppress his feelings and emotions and to detach himself from people he loved required more training that Anakin never received.
@eriknewton4656
@eriknewton4656 6 ай бұрын
yes. he was the grandmaster who let the jedi fall. there were plenty of warning signs about order 66 and who sidious was and he ignored them till it was far too late to act upon. the jedi order fell on his watch. instead of investigating the inhibitor chip shakk ti found in 5's in the clone wars they handed it back to sidious instead of investigating the chip which could have uncovered order 66.
@chiquita683
@chiquita683 6 ай бұрын
His Jedi council put collecting taxes over ending slavery
@aliastheabnormal
@aliastheabnormal 6 ай бұрын
I think Sidious said it best. He was a slave. A slave to the republic.
@user-oi9ys7pb8i
@user-oi9ys7pb8i 6 ай бұрын
Do diding see a Sith Lord in front of him for years and sending children into war as soldiers that what make yoda abad leader
@eds1942
@eds1942 6 ай бұрын
Everything about the Clone army should’ve been and was a warning sign. Why was the Republic secretly building a clone army? Why was this army ordered up by a Jedi Master who either went missing or died under mysterious circumstances,.. and by a Sith Lord? Why were these clones being modeled off of a supposed criminal who was a prime suspect behind an assassination attempt of a Republic senator? Why are we being asked to do something very un-Jedi like, by leading this brand spanking new and untested military force for preemptive attack on a war droid manufacturing plant on the outskirts of Republic space. A strike which would all but certainly be seen as a act of war that will lead to a Galaxy-wide war? I wonder where Anakin picked up that “this is where the fun begins!” line?
@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134
@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134 6 ай бұрын
Exactly man ✅
@Spectral-Senpai
@Spectral-Senpai 6 ай бұрын
So many people say Yoda is a wise character but in my opinion he was very stubborn and not always wise. In the TV show ( take it with a grain of salt) he was basically told about the mass destruction of the jedi and he didn't do anything because he thought it was fate and you couldn't interfere with it.
@eds1942
@eds1942 6 ай бұрын
That’s one of the reasons why I place the TV shows lower on the canon than the movies. With the movies, you can at least take some of the blame off of him. With the show, scenes like that makes it seem that Yoda owns most of the blame.
@dapanda2068
@dapanda2068 6 ай бұрын
Honestly i kinda like the natural feel of non scripted vids, feels like a podcast or something
@AlrekArinbjorn
@AlrekArinbjorn 6 ай бұрын
I think even Yoda said in various comics and books that he and the jedi were conducting themselves in a very foolish way, leading up to the clone war and even more so during the clone war.
@rayruiz5871
@rayruiz5871 6 ай бұрын
Yoda was a failure as the Jedi grand Master despite his power. 1. He failed to react appropriately when the Sith were discovered to have returned. 2. Since Yoda was so worried about Anakins clouded future, he should have taken it upon himself to either train Anakin or have someone better than Obi-Wan who had just become a knight and honestly still inexperienced, like Windu perhaps. 3. He saw the fall of the Jedi order as a warning, and as the main leader, he did nothing. He could have secretly moved certain teachers and students somewhere else to preserve elements of the order.
@ghostface4404
@ghostface4404 6 ай бұрын
or, see him as a wakeup call.
@Tuturial464
@Tuturial464 2 ай бұрын
At the very least, yoda could have guided anakin better and been more open to the times
@HellionSol
@HellionSol 6 ай бұрын
Very fun video, love the longer conversation format with the archivist! Eager for the next one in between lore videos! ❤
@jonathanc.8424
@jonathanc.8424 6 ай бұрын
He had to face a 1000 year old plan by the sith. He just wasn't strong enough to see past the cloud created by Palpatine. No one could have won walking blindly and that is more credit to Palpatine than against Yoda. It took a great plan and execution to use the pride of the Jedi against themselves. At the end Yoda grew strong enough to see the actual plan towards winning and it took a lot of strength to go through with it, knowing it meant basically giving up and letting the order die and a new one be born.
@luisgabrielnazario7949
@luisgabrielnazario7949 6 ай бұрын
A new order that didn't last half a decade
@Malone_brown_
@Malone_brown_ 6 ай бұрын
Great video, I like the format and hope you guys make more.
@williamnewburn9286
@williamnewburn9286 6 ай бұрын
I love this unique styled video, would love to see more trials of characters
@Tiredjungle13
@Tiredjungle13 6 ай бұрын
Good video, nice idea, i agree that Yoda has learned a lot. Even he did kinda change in the end. And he helped to create a new kind of Jedi.
@booboolips6053
@booboolips6053 6 ай бұрын
Being 900 years old, you can get set in your ways. For example, in the real world, we see older people who’s mindset has been defined by their years of experiences. They have life wisdom but difficulty adapting to new technologies and cultural changes. Their minds are less flexible.
@jeffcordova9633
@jeffcordova9633 6 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t say he was bad just that he was blind and naive .. he was old and didn’t think the Sith could come back without their knowledge or at some warning but then again they got their warning when Qu-gon-Jin told them about his encounter with Maul on tattoonine.. and they ignored it then when Jin died it led to Dookus being permanently bound to the dark side Thank you for the long videos as of recently
@RandomGuy-lu1en
@RandomGuy-lu1en 6 ай бұрын
another thing: Due to his status and age, it wasn't possible for anyone to challenge his opinion. Just imagine someone today who lives since the vikings raided europe ...
@darthmorbous
@darthmorbous 6 ай бұрын
So...his arrogance blinded him...
@jeffcordova9633
@jeffcordova9633 6 ай бұрын
@@darthmorbous good one
@jakealter5504
@jakealter5504 6 ай бұрын
They didn’t ignore it after quigon died since they did investigate
@captainfach
@captainfach 6 ай бұрын
I'm surprised the thing that I always think of, you guys didn't discuss. Which for me the main reason why I thought Yoda may not have been a good Grandmaster is how he is always taught people to be so detached from everything and emotionless and do not take care of their emotional issues but to bury them and reject them and that's what helped Anakin fall to the dark side because Yoda refused to help him deal with his issues and instead told him to forget about it
@extabytez3148
@extabytez3148 6 ай бұрын
This video was amazing. We need more
@JETVISION1
@JETVISION1 6 ай бұрын
Yoda spawned a Jedi Order that was a reactive, and not proactive one. The Sith played the long game. The Jedi had grown out of balance with The Force. It was the will of The Living Force that the Jedi needed to be eradicated. Yoda needed to be open minded to change and adaptability. When the Clone Army showed up, The Jedi should have been utterly suspicious of this. Yoda lost the battle, and had to coopt the "Rule of 2", and play the long game to defeat the Sith. He knew that defeating Palpatine and Vader was going to require a new approach.....and some long term planning and execution.
@Brofessorben1017
@Brofessorben1017 6 ай бұрын
Love your long form content bro. And all of them lol. 🔥
@TheStupendousWave
@TheStupendousWave 6 ай бұрын
Appreciate that
@sadfacethebum5249
@sadfacethebum5249 6 ай бұрын
I love this style of video!
@Healingharp88
@Healingharp88 6 ай бұрын
One of the few stand-out concepts of the High Republic lore for me was the triad of Grandmasters. That Yoda had at least one point two counterbalances, counterbalances that were his EQUAL. I think it's an interesting idea to explore that the loss of having true hierarchical peers. And the lack of having said equals perhaps voicing "loyal opposition" or something like it. May have unintentionally led to some of the poor decisions, policies etc. I don't think it has been addressed why the policy changed but I'd be really interested in when and why Yoda became the sole Grandmaster.
@96smittyjr
@96smittyjr 6 ай бұрын
I would love to see y’all do more like this honestly, you could just about do a character analysis on virtually every major character in Star Wars with the same format. I kind of would like to see yall’s take on the evolution of the rule of two. Y’all kind of did this in the recent episode about Vader, being a very poor rule of two sis, but I would like to see your take on how the role of two changed from what we know of it with bane and zannah to plagueis and sidious. I think an argument could be made and in fact, I think the comments were making an argument in the Vader episode that sidious was not actually a very good role of to sith. It would also be nice to see that video as kind of an offset from this one given that you spent so much time discussing and analyzing Yoda as Jedi grandmaster, might be interesting to see a discussion from the other side of the coin.
@TheStupendousWave
@TheStupendousWave 6 ай бұрын
Yes! We can do that!
@alexgray6082
@alexgray6082 6 ай бұрын
Good analysis on the subject.
@robertblackmore703
@robertblackmore703 6 ай бұрын
This sounds good to me. Like your just riffing… loose. I like it.
@martykuypers8608
@martykuypers8608 6 ай бұрын
He pushed the dogma of the order and not the force. Real balance is an equal part of light and dark. He hid away knowledge that could have helped the order with knowing how to stop the sith. And after Dooku told Obi Wan the truth he didn't even investigate it, he said Dooku fell to the dark side and lies and deceit are his ways. And he lost to Palpatine. He could have kept fighting, it wasn't like he was mortally wounded or even hurt. He got a taste of Sidious powder and than wusses out and runs. Why would Anakin want to still be a Jedi after he sees how bad Sidious clowned Yoda and the rest of the order. If he was so wise and powerful why did he get stomped and run and hide.
@wongjimun
@wongjimun 25 күн бұрын
Palpatine was playing chess while Yoda was playing checkers
@OldHenryLee
@OldHenryLee 6 ай бұрын
In the middle truth lays. ..... Many factors involved with such things. But, that's the deal with being at the tip of the spear - Credit with the good outcomes & blame with failures. "Failed I have." - Yoda .... LoL, ... & as a New England Patriots fan. "Is what it is." - Bill Belichick
@detroitpolak9904
@detroitpolak9904 6 ай бұрын
Matthew Stover describes it in Revenge of the Sith beautifully. When the realization comes to Yoda, God it’s written so well.
@StarWars_Theories
@StarWars_Theories 6 ай бұрын
Now it's not cannon as much as I love it. Lots to die w Ashoka not existing then.
@Aliaz93moneyfingerz
@Aliaz93moneyfingerz 6 ай бұрын
More of this please
@C0ffeeKing
@C0ffeeKing 6 ай бұрын
Didn’t realize that was your true voice. Damn
@aaronmatheson9730
@aaronmatheson9730 6 ай бұрын
I think it’s just one of the old familiar “good intentions-bad execution”! Jedi or not, Yoda had to “lead” as any normal person would. There are uncontrollable variables (and controllable ones) while making decisions that being a master Jedi does not negate. I am finding this hard as I am a old fart fan from the 70s, so I have lived a long time, Yoda being a near perfect being. Now I have to learn to look at him as a faulty being like everyone else lol! It’s like when I found out teachers did not move to the attic of the school and turn off at night lol!
@johnpinkston3818
@johnpinkston3818 6 ай бұрын
Yoda explicitly shut down Doouk's revelation that the senate was controlled by Palpatine. That alone -- not even a follow-up investigation? They themselves had already noticed that their ability to sense the force was diminished. Astounding lack of follow-up. Complacency is complicity.
@mcrobielord1503
@mcrobielord1503 6 ай бұрын
The fall of the Jedi order that are willing to take orders from a Sith Lord during the clone war
@Sci-Fi-Mike
@Sci-Fi-Mike 23 күн бұрын
The Jedi went from being ambassadors and diplomats to becoming enforcers for the Republic and later generals. If Yoda had a most deficient flaw, in my opinion, it was accepting these new roles for the Jedi.
@limitlessmaestro6461
@limitlessmaestro6461 6 ай бұрын
Truthfully, it was his resistance to actually see what was going on. He allowed his judgment to be clouded by getting involved into too many affairs and clouded by appearances. The Jedi like saying they’re peace keepers. Their true identity became war generals. Once they became involved in palpatines game and not noticing the signs in front of them, which were clear, they sealed their fate. Even the scoring at the end of Episode 2 was a clear sign of the path they were going down. I also believe Yoda became very egotistical and so did other Jedi. He seemed to operate with the attitude with being grandmaster, that we don’t have anything else to learn or evolve. Palpatine did, which is why in the episode 3 novelization, he admitted defeat mid battle. Losing Qui Gon was also, I believe, a determining factor in the downfall
@fatalferocity6659
@fatalferocity6659 6 ай бұрын
Plo Koon would have been a great Grandmaster
@eriknewton4656
@eriknewton4656 6 ай бұрын
yoda let the jedi get complacent and they became stagnant while the sith adapted with the rule of 2. and i want know how yoda would know of the rule of 2 when the jedi thought the sith were extinct
@fancyflamingo8300
@fancyflamingo8300 6 ай бұрын
The preview for this video was cutoff on my phone, and I thought it was called Was Yoda a bad Grandmother, and I was really confused
@theforcedragon3781
@theforcedragon3781 6 ай бұрын
Wow! 40 minutes?! Yes! Please!
@stmon12
@stmon12 6 ай бұрын
Good video!! Interesting discussion. I think Yoda was a good grandmaster. I often think of the four outer pillars of the jedi temple and what they mean? Who was the battlemaster during Yoda's time as grandmaster? Who was the lore master? Who was the healer master? Who was the agricultural master? I just don't see that Yoda was the only master and responsible for all the Jedi. He trusted in his fellow jedi to succeed, he supported them. He didn't rule with an iron fist. He didn't command them, he guided them counseled them. Awesome topic.
@herbertpen
@herbertpen Ай бұрын
I think they tried to explain it away by saying the Jedi temple was built on a dark side shrine so for 900 years yoda was being or allowing himself to slowly be manipulated by the dark side which is why he was able to be manipulated by palpatine. While not a dark side Jedi he chose to live in a way by a dark side cave in a way he had become so accustomed to it he was unable to leave it In legends he was trained as an adolescent So why he at first let himself be exposed to an area with the dark side is unusual. Had Yoda been fully immersed in the light i think he maybe would have been more of an adventurer and explorer
@reyvillegasjr166
@reyvillegasjr166 6 ай бұрын
Yoda,along with many other Jedi,their hearts were in the right place but their minds were blinded by the darkside making them soooo arrogant and full of themselves to think that they alone know what the force wants is and how to do it. Hell I remember my exwive asked me or mentioned that that Anakins chosen one legend means different things for different people. The Jedi can't even get in the same page to "try to beat the bad guys" so to speak, they're All. "Noo there are no more bad guys left,we would know and be aware 😎 they wouldn't be able to hire for a 1000 years without us noticing even if they were in the same room with us ,and those guys you think or look suspicious can't be the bad guys,hell...Dooku was a Jedi but left the order um u u umm to pursue politics on his planet and royal Family business 😏 we got this. Jedi like mace n Yoda thought balancing the force was to eliminate the last remainding sith.ay the same time they feared that Anakin's coud destroy the Jedi. I always thought the balance of the force was to have there be the equal amount of both light and dark.
@zachberry4742
@zachberry4742 6 ай бұрын
That makes sense. There was balance when there were little to no jedi left.
@ghostface4404
@ghostface4404 6 ай бұрын
it wasn't the Dark Side. they were blinded by the Light Side.
@ghostface4404
@ghostface4404 6 ай бұрын
true balance can only be brought by Sabine replacing the Jedi and the Republic. Mandalorians are centrists.
@godofgaming2350
@godofgaming2350 4 ай бұрын
You are right but a correction balance in the force means no dark side(no sith). Because the dark side is corruption of the force having balance means no corruption.
@ghostface4404
@ghostface4404 4 ай бұрын
@@godofgaming2350 the Dark Side is just as natural as the light Side -- at least according to the Mortis Gods, anyway.
@itbeme_bobbybsopinion9637
@itbeme_bobbybsopinion9637 Ай бұрын
I acknowledge Luke's impatience, but Yoda didn't appreciate the urgency in his predicament, as well.
@HukNBux
@HukNBux 5 ай бұрын
It really comes back to what Darth Sidious and Darth Tyranous said in Episode 2 & 3 about the Jedi being dogmatic and clouded by their own Hubris!
@Licjr
@Licjr 6 ай бұрын
Yoda wasn’t necessarily a bad Grandmaster, but he wasn’t the Grandmaster the Jedi needed at the time. They needed someone more militant and more critical of the Senate following the Battle of Geonosis and the start of the Clone Wars
@TTG124
@TTG124 6 ай бұрын
I love yoda. He is a very wise and kind individual with the best intentions. But yes he failed, and he made that very clear to Luke.
@ghostface4404
@ghostface4404 6 ай бұрын
kind? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIfacnaehJeAiNE that's sociopathic.
@ajjdarklord
@ajjdarklord 6 ай бұрын
no he didn't. What & where did you find this conclusion? Real talk it's fine that's your opinion of Yoda but what exactly are you talking about how "made that clear w Luke"? May the force be with you
@ghostface4404
@ghostface4404 6 ай бұрын
@@ajjdarklordby literally burning the past. that was the point of the Last Jedi. it was truth. it's why I want Sabine take the mantle of Mandalore and to relace the Republic and the Jedi. balance requires a centrist view.
@ghostface4404
@ghostface4404 6 ай бұрын
@@ajjdarklord that will allow the Jedi to truly die.
@ajjdarklord
@ajjdarklord 6 ай бұрын
@@ghostface4404 wtf lol you're entitled to your opinion but from it I can tell that you're probably 16-24 not old enough to have the knowledge about Yoda then to talk about Sabine c'mon she's a bokken Jedi. I do respect your POV I just agree to disagree partially. I like Sabine to & not because she is beautiful & tough. You never gave me a answer
@chrishansel95
@chrishansel95 6 ай бұрын
You are starting to figure it out. Grogu is the new Luke, Yoda is the new Vader. Yoda is Plagueis. Or, he was cursed/possessed. Yoda should have bent the knee to Anakin, Anakin is the Jedi's force GOD. They belittled him, constantly told him to hold back, with held information and techniques from him. This is why Anakin fell, because of his feelings of alienation from the rest of the jedi, Obi-wan was his only friend. Everyone else ridiculed him or chastised him.
@deimos7577
@deimos7577 6 ай бұрын
It wasn't just Yoda, the entire council failed the Jedi.
@JETVISION1
@JETVISION1 6 ай бұрын
The Jedi also failed miserably in trying to understand that both the light side and dark side were essential in true mastery of the Force. But there were so many elements working against The Jedi Order that they were destined to face extermination.
@ghostface4404
@ghostface4404 6 ай бұрын
I see Sabine fixing this.
@channydin
@channydin 5 ай бұрын
Yoda's fear was ultimately Anakin's suffering. He feared Anakin was too prone to fall to the darkside and tried to prevent his potential in the force. This led to Anakin's anger and eventual hate towards the Jedi council. Both of them suffered for it.
@rageofinfinity2032
@rageofinfinity2032 6 ай бұрын
It's totally Yoda's fault. I mean, let's put it this way. Dooku left the Jedi Order because of their complacency, and his Padawan Qui-gon refused to join the council for the same reason. Whats worse is that Obi-Wan, who was fully for the order trained Anakin in a way that led to the same outcome as Dooku, which means Yoda trained people to be complacent and exactly the same as him, or go radically in the other direction.
@TokyoTraveller
@TokyoTraveller 6 ай бұрын
It's not all Yoda's fault, but Yoda does share responsibility for the fall of the Jedi. For many, many years, the Jedi became closed-minded about the light and dark sides of the force, along with when to train people in the force. Out of fear, the Jedi wanted to keep the Jedi as unexposed to the dark side as possible. That was a mistake. The Jedi also made the mistake of allowing themselves to become a paramilitary force for the Senate. The Jedi are not peacekeepers; they are supposed to follow the will of the force.
@devinross9758
@devinross9758 6 ай бұрын
Def think Yoda was an excellent grand master. I do believe that he could have and should have done things a lot better as to minimize the damage done to the galaxy and take a more proactive approach to things such as the dark side. I do think he still would have fell short in the end of his era but remember that luke skywalker eventually steps up and rectifies his mistakes so I think in the end not only did Yoda succeed through his successor but probably got the last laugh on paplatine.
@kadbenson7540
@kadbenson7540 6 ай бұрын
On the subject of who the jedi could elect grand master if not for yoda, i think besides shaak ti that plo koon would be a great candiate, hes not too extreme in any one trait or skill but still highly proficient in all jedi arts and practices, while also being very level headed, kind, tactically and miltarily gifted in leadership and delegation, hes the only one to ever beat yoda while sparing, he came up with a unique completely lightside version of force lightening thats based on pure impassionate unbiased justice, hes well like by both the hard line dogmatic people like windu but also the more flexible in their interpretation of the force and jedi like qui gon, obi and anakin and is actually a pretty good middle ground between them honestly. I feel like he may not be the immediate first person people think of for the job, but in my opinion i cant think of anyone better besides maybe oppo rancisis and oppo really is almost like a second less powerful less wise less experienced yoda, nothing against oppo hes actually one of my very favorite jedi ever im just saying if youre trying to move away from yodas type of leadership that i believe oppos leadership would be very similar or near identical
@QuiccNA900
@QuiccNA900 6 ай бұрын
GRANDMASTER I AM, DO THIS YOU CANNOT!
@FFA441
@FFA441 6 ай бұрын
Dude do more of this style video
@laskojames
@laskojames 6 ай бұрын
This was good.
@christyhorton2787
@christyhorton2787 6 ай бұрын
I agree with the comment that he was not open to the dark side and instead any sort of discussions on it, especially with Anakin. By shrouding it in mystery and secrecy, folks like Dooku and Anakin were drawn to it as an answer to their problems. He had an all-or-nothing thought process. It's like trying to tell a child to be abstinent instead of teaching them what is a healthy relationship is. It's like the brutal mentality of the Puritans and Catholics in their heyday that ultimately drove people away from the church.
@Gor85
@Gor85 6 ай бұрын
I don't think Yoda is a bad teacher.He had flaws,his ways. He was stubborn and yes naive. He really loved and cared for the Republic and the galaxy but Senate was full of corruption. And then Palpatine came and it became extremely worse. Then Qui-Gon came to him,showed himm what will happen,Yoda realized it needs to happen and let it go. He loved Anakin,but he trained Luke more focused. He listened to him. Yoda should have felt fear and worry in Anakin. But he wasn't bad teacher. Exactly opposite. Watched for 12 mins. May the Force be with you😊 Have a great day😀
@cherrytonshawty9120
@cherrytonshawty9120 8 күн бұрын
It WAS Yoda's fault, but not completely. There were things going on around him that realistically, he had little to no control over. I still love Yoda though, and honestly think that he's still one of the greatest Jedi Masters to ever live. PS:Had she not died at the hands of Count Dooku, the much younger but still capable Yaddle could've easily taken Yoda's place.
@quinngros5651
@quinngros5651 6 ай бұрын
Yoda was just set in his ways. When the Clone Wars started, he should have realized that he wasn't prepared nor the Jedi under him. After that first battle, he should have relocated the Jedi, and prepared them better. They forgot that they were peacekeeping diplomats and not frontline generals.
@Floydd_Sulok
@Floydd_Sulok 6 ай бұрын
Yes
@johnpinkston3818
@johnpinkston3818 6 ай бұрын
Being promoted to obsolescence is a well-known phenomenon.
@johnpinkston3818
@johnpinkston3818 6 ай бұрын
I think that the nature of the job is bigger than anything one individual could handle.
@emperorxander666
@emperorxander666 6 ай бұрын
Yes he lead the jedi to it end
@jossetishauser2040
@jossetishauser2040 6 ай бұрын
Well, all we know is that is in his last few decades some big mistakes were made but the whole council was responsible I guess.
@edwinalawrence7650
@edwinalawrence7650 6 ай бұрын
Plo koon would be a good replacement maybe sharlk ti but there are many others who couldtake the place.
@jeffersonpierce5297
@jeffersonpierce5297 6 ай бұрын
Can you do more discussion videos? this one was awesome
@TheStupendousWave
@TheStupendousWave 6 ай бұрын
Yes!
@jotheunissen9274
@jotheunissen9274 6 ай бұрын
Yes and no The Jedi Order was straying from it's original path long before The first Jedi in fact were more or less an extremist light side faction It's more like a snowball effect, where the snowball was already gigantic when Revan left the Order and got only worse and worse By the time of the Prequels the snowball had become an avalanche and couldn't be stopped anymore and Palpatine only made this worse with the Clone Wars Yoda and most other Jedi blindly fell into this trap Yoda was not a bad Grandmaster per se but he didn't do anything to stop the Order from falling deeper
@jordanboles8059
@jordanboles8059 6 ай бұрын
PLO koon would have made a great GM. He was just as wise as yoda and gave the correct advice to anakin and Ashoka when they needed it but they still had to come up with the answers themselves
@jasonpower6578
@jasonpower6578 Ай бұрын
I think plo koon would be a great grandmaster. He’s 240 years old so you know he’s wise plus he’s still in his prime.
@thephantommaster3619
@thephantommaster3619 6 ай бұрын
I have a few question, 1st one is what happened to the kaminoan and the 2nd one is how many lightsaber models are there in star wars
@jessesloan864
@jessesloan864 6 ай бұрын
Yoda, to me, is an argument for "term limits" to be placed on grandmasters. His species is so long lived that his continued position of power would almost inevitably lead to stagnation and an inability to adapt to new threats. Let him retire and train younglings. This is something he seemed to genuinely enjoy in the scene from the films. I'd have loved to see a Yoda who was wise, serene, and possibly a little childlike in his enjoyment of things. I've often seen him as a reference to the Dali Lama, who, in his current incarnation, definitely enjoys a good laugh.
@thegamerboneless2864
@thegamerboneless2864 6 ай бұрын
Windu is a stickler for the rules, I think it’s the reason he was given the council seat over Dooku
@chadgosier4999
@chadgosier4999 5 ай бұрын
It was made very clear to Yoda by the fates the Jedi had already fallen and it wasn’t for him to stop but to make sure the future and the force would be safe in other words they told him you have to loose this battle to win the war.
@jamesmeeks4852
@jamesmeeks4852 6 ай бұрын
He IS The Grandmaster. One of the most important parts of a story we love greatly. The fact that he did exactly what we remember and said the same...he is Grandmaster Yoda. Strong enough to train Jedi for hundreds of years, and wise enough to admit when his mind was clouded by the dark side. Questions his sanity he does when he encounters a force ghost. Call lightning down to burn unless knowledge, he did. By trying to keep it the same, he came to realize his purpose as a part of The Force. Even beyond death he evolves...that is the sign of a true Grandmaster.
@lordofpain3476
@lordofpain3476 6 ай бұрын
Yoda did more damage to the jedi order than Sidious or Vader ever did . Never forget that Yoda had a vision of the clones slaughtering the jedi , and never said a word about it . ( maybe because he is the one that actually brought them into the Republic .)
@edwinalawrence7650
@edwinalawrence7650 6 ай бұрын
Please do a video ranking the jedi council.Pleas include some menbers who served priar to the phantom menace.
@stapleman007
@stapleman007 6 ай бұрын
Little Green Men
@icp9405
@icp9405 6 ай бұрын
How you dare to do that question?!😮
@user-cr1vc4iw6j
@user-cr1vc4iw6j 6 ай бұрын
I think his biggest mistake was in the phantom menace is sending two Judy to Naboo when he has information that there is a possibility sith
@satmtca
@satmtca 6 ай бұрын
I loved Yoda and I thought he was the best choice at the time but u forgot one master for consideration, Master Plokoon who was a couple hundred years old but was wise and was kind to everyone as well even the clones
@ChristopherGonzalez1280
@ChristopherGonzalez1280 6 ай бұрын
That was a great cast. I only criticism is You forgot to promote your colleagues link tree
@johnpinkston3818
@johnpinkston3818 6 ай бұрын
He's archetypal to the state of the Order itself at the time
@SickNezz998
@SickNezz998 6 ай бұрын
you 2 should do a podcast
@NebulusDerg
@NebulusDerg 6 ай бұрын
Doubt you'd see this.... But new idea? Stupendous Trial Podcast?
@jedjohnson9811
@jedjohnson9811 6 ай бұрын
You guys forget that the Darkseid of the force is wise in the way of hiding .I look at Yoda as like the marine force and the sith as like seal team 6 or something like that
@thiago4santos
@thiago4santos 6 ай бұрын
Most masters kinda failed because there's no jedi order or council anymore. Unless somewhere in another galaxy there's something established they all failed. The sith were smarter, they had Palpatine in the senate to grant power and kept the jedi as pawns, why ppl never talk about it haha.
@propertyclaimsprosecutor
@propertyclaimsprosecutor 6 ай бұрын
I still think there is something to be said for Yoda’s failure to recognize the manipulation and situation of Anakin Skywalker. If in fact Yoda did believe that Anakin was the chosen one and knew that the dark side was clouding everything surrounding the Clone Wars, he should’ve also realized that everything was about to come to a defining moment towards the end of the Clone Wars and that Anakin had a crucial role to play in that defining moment and should have made sure that Anakin was not going through anything that could lead him down the dark path. He could’ve dug much deeper when Anakin was clearly desperate for his help and was in obvious critical fear of loss. He also should’ve conducted a deeper and more thorough investigation into the creation of the clone army. How can you just accepted that this massive costly clone army just happened to be at the ready at the time that a crisis erupted on Geonosis and not be skeptical about its origins and creation and the all-too-convenient readiness of such an army. I think there is a lot that the Jedi turned a blind eye to and a lot of mistakes that Yoda and the council as a whole made leading up to the demise of the order and the Republic. I do believe that Yoda was the true embodiment of the light side of the force. But that does not mean that he was an excellent leader of the order during the galaxy and the order’s time of crisis. And I do also blame Yoda for the order becoming a pawn of the Senate and falling away from following the will of the force. I still love Yoda but there is a lot of mistakes for which the blame buck stops at him as the grand master of the Jedi order. That’s just thoughts off the top of my head after being most of the way through this video. May the force be with you all … always!
@dougdavenport4282
@dougdavenport4282 6 ай бұрын
You should do this on mace windu as well
@robertagu5533
@robertagu5533 6 ай бұрын
He wasn't so much bad. As he became arrogant and complacent.. something apparently just as common a pitfall in his verse as ours. As he was SO skilled at what he did and got so well comfortable with what he did that he became both the presaid and allowed for someone like Sideous to go an end his Order. Least his version of it once an for all and ALMOST him with it.
@johnpinkston3818
@johnpinkston3818 6 ай бұрын
He was certainly weighed down by the culture of antiquity... By believing Jedi are the larger-than-life figures they're mythologized to be, he severely weakened them by overextending them, stretching them thin to their absolute most vulnerable point in a millennium. Like a boy who grew up never seeing his heroes fail, and then in taking their place, could not imagine their successors ever failing.
@aodhhanswtor7252
@aodhhanswtor7252 6 ай бұрын
Lets understand the role of the grandmaster. It is typically the oldest and wisest member of the order, leader of the order and teacher. The grandmaster is not the policy maker or ruler. Is not the ultimate authority. In short, it's someone with experience who counsels the order and is the figurehead of the order. The JEDI HIGH COUNCIL governed the order, creates and enforces the Jedi Code. Making these decisions as a group. Just because the Grandmaster wants something, does not mean it happens. The Jedi High Council is presided by The MASTER OF THE ORDER (aka Grandmaster of the Jedi High Council), elected by the council members as the leader of the council. Mace Windu was Master of the Order before the Clone Wars began. These 2 positions are not typically held by the same individual; however, after the initial battle on Geonosis, Windu gave up this role and it was given to Yoda. At the time of Order 66 Yoda was both Jedi Grandmaster and Master of the Order. Yoda was aware of the corruption within the Senate. Yet, was powerless to do anything. However, he didn't believe Palpatine was corrupt until it was too late. To say Yoda was too set in the ways of the long peace is to say the same about just about every other Jedi. There were plenty of times when Yoda didn't want something to occur or happen within the order, but was outvoted by the council. Particularly when it came to the Dark Side and the Sith. It was mostly the members of the council who appeared to be stuck in their ways. Yoda, being most affected by the shroud of the Dark Side was the most concerned. Especially after given his vision of the future by the Force Priestesses. The Ruusan Reformation Act tied the hands of the Jedi Council and thus the Grandmaster. This is why they were aware the Senate was corrupt, as the Senate had indirect control of the Jedi, through the Chancellor. They could see how they were being used. The Chancellor of the Senate had little control over anything. The corrupt SENATE had most of the power. Until the Chancellor was given Emergency Powers (multiple times) during the Clone Wars. During the Clone Wars, the Jedi could come up with battle plans, but everything was coordinated, approved and directed by the Chancellor. Obviously giving Palpatine/Sith a huge advantage. Palpatine even had Dooku duped. Yoda was put in an impossible situation. If this was a game of poker. Yoda was playing with 5 cards, while Palpatine played with 47.
@theeroyaltgaming
@theeroyaltgaming 6 ай бұрын
I think Plo Koon could’ve stepped in as Grand Master
@anshadedavana
@anshadedavana 4 ай бұрын
Yes, he is a failure. Not only he failed to sense the dark side of Palpatine, he couldn't recognise the growing dark side inside Anakin.
@Shadow200001
@Shadow200001 6 ай бұрын
No, Yoda was not to blame, nor was he blameless. Yoda had the best intentions, great wisdom, and I would listen to him. But, he was an extremely long lived being, living among beings that had relatively short life spans. He fell into habit, and this lead to stagnation. Any who achieve true immortality will fall into this, the Sith desire Immortality believing it would make their reign eternal, when in fact after a few hundred years it would grow weak and stagnate. Immortality Is A TRAP! I personally feel that the Force is meant to Wax and Wane. You have brief times of intense destruction, chaos, death, pain that rip across the galaxy. And like a Forest fire it is contained and burns out. What follows after, is a time of rebuilding, peace, and growth, and stability. Stability which ultimately leads to stagnation, corruption, and decline which in turn gives rise to darkness. When Darth Bane created the Rule of two, they broke the cycle. This would make them so powerful, that it was hard to balance and counter them. I feel that like the Sith, the Jedi had unbalanced the force. The Jedi had long stopped listening to the Will of the Force. How many times have Jedi gone through areas, where hardship and pain was there and did nothing? The Jedi served the Republic and the Senate, The Force needed to shall we say Reset the Galactic Cycle, so
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