Why Qui-Gon Jinn was the ONLY Perfect Master for Anakin Skywalker - Star Wars Explained

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[@TheRebelkid15]

Long story short: He needed a father, not a brother.

[@eaphantom9214]

A father figure who cared about him too, not 1 who groomed him. 😑 (Cough) Palpetine!

[@TheRebelkid15]

Yeah, but I wasn't acknowledging him as a father figure.@@eaphantom9214

[@LordRevan-ec6ju]

Agreed

[@kaidorade1317]

But but in Episode 2: “you are the closest thing I have to a father. “ underneath his breath: “since you let my adoptive father die to a Sith”

[@kaidorade1317]

@@eaphantom9214so Palps is a P*do? I mean, young Maul, 9 year old Anakin…

[@blackoutjager8053]

If qui gonn had survived I wonder if dooku would have become a sith, as his death was something that helped push him over the edge. Qui gonn’s death was a pivotal moment for many characters, not just anakin.

[@Luke_wait_for_it_marengo]

Yes true, i believe dooku would of still been on the edge, he was very reserved and experienced. i believe if Palpatine couldn't turn him then he would of killed him.

[@Luke_wait_for_it_marengo]

@cschwacofer yes, I remember similar to you. I do believe maul killing qui gon was the final catalyst

[@ghostofwolfmoonmani3877]

In legends probably, quigons death was the last straw and dooku initially went on a revenge trip before becoming Palpatines new apprentice. In Disney probably not, dooku was already working against the Jedi before Quigon died.

[@AsreiMurasame]

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that Dooku wouldn't have fallen if Qui Gon was still alive. Dooku even mentions somewhere after he changed over that Qui Gon was extremely important to him. I forget where it's mentioned but I do know that Qui Gon's value to Dooku was at least on par with how Yoda viewed Dooku in the lore.

[@Luke_wait_for_it_marengo]

@@AsreiMurasame I remember that too

[@augustleo8368]

If Qui-Gon lived then I think it's clear that Anakin never falls to the Darkside, and the plans of the Sith fail ultimately. Remember Dooku doesn't become Sidious's apprentice until after Qui-Gon is killed, so Dooku wouldn't fall either. I think it would be most likely that what would happen is Sidious continues his plan as normal, sans an apprentice. Qui-Gon, Anakin, and Dooku all leave the Order and create a new schism in the Order, it now becomes a three way playing board.

[@Archivist_of_Stupendous_Wave]

Thanks for having me on again, Stupendous Wave! Can’t wait for the next one!

[@SkinnyEatWorld95]

I really enjoyed this man. Hope you guys do it again soon

[@SkinnyEatWorld95]

Oh and his lover was named Tahl

[@Archivist_of_Stupendous_Wave]

@@SkinnyEatWorld95 that’s what it was! Thank you!

[@SkinnyEatWorld95]

@@Archivist_of_Stupendous_Wave No problemo amigo

[@peterversionone]

Qui-Gonn once Anakin had the dream about his mother would have been told right away, he would have taken Anakin to Tattooine got his mother, and Anakin would have been happy. Also, he would have allowed Anakin to have some fun with Padme. He did with Kenobi, and Satine. He just would have let Anakin know he has a choice, marriage or the order. And he would have explained the consequences of attachments

[@dylantorres2496]

More long form please!!!!🙏 🎉

[@peterversionone]

@@dylantorres2496 huh. Did I insult or offend? Or are you insulting me? What is long form?

[@dylantorres2496]

@@peterversionone ?? Insult? I like the longer conversational style video. Definitely no insult intended.

[@charger1369]

​@@peterversionone "Long Form" describes a format of presenting information. It's the difference between longer, more conversational/discussion videos or short/brief instructional videos. I don't know why Dylan here said that as if to you though. I can see how if you didn't know what Long Form meant that you might be confused.

[@angelshalo01]

"There's always a bigger FISH 🐟"

[@eaphantom9214]

In my opinion, Qui Gonn Jinn was 1 of Liam Neeson's best character roles after Ra's Al Ghul (Batman Begins - 2005)

[@SkinnyEatWorld95]

As short as it was, I agree

[@legomaster2538]

Don’t forget Aslan from the Narnia trilogy.

[@Slimo74]

Also young Liam played in Excalibur !!!

[@eaphantom9214]

​@@legomaster2538 Yes, that too

[@finchborat]

And Oskar Schindler

[@Darth-Tyranus66]

"Your Swords Please, We Don't Want to Make A Mess Of Things Infont Of The Chancellor"

[@spinelessmoderate8715]

Jinn would've been a phenomenal teacher to Anakin. Had he not died to Maul, I'm not 100% certain Dooku would've turned to the Sith. He very well may have still left the order, but I'm not certain he'd still go down that dark path. It feels like Jinn's death, and how the Jedi council mismanaged the circumstances surrounding Jinn's death, pushed Dooku over the edge to the dark side. Honestly, Dooku being present as an occasional guide/mentor/teacher also probably would've benefited Anakin. Which honestly I also kinda think that Dooku, Jinn and Anakin might very well have bailed on the order to follow the force and not the inflated, susceptible to corruption and manipulation version of the Jedi order that existed during the prequel Era.

[@t.g.2777]

If Anakin cares about family so much he should have left the jedi and joined up with the fast and furious crew. They are all about the family. 😂

[@Mr.DirtNasty]

We need more videos like this, the chilled out format is great

[@aymericdeascalon4590]

If Qui Gon had survived, in all likelihood, being so much more attuned to the will and messages from the Force, he would have paid attention to Anakin's dreams of his mother, preventing the loss that made Anakin so vulnerable to Palpatines influence. Dooku also may not have fallen to the dark side with his trusted former Padawan as an advisor.

[@99thJediWarrior]

One of the main things about Anakin was his upbringing that Qui-Gon would have to help undo. He always had that slave/master outlook on life, and in many ways, he was still a slave even after Qui-Gon got him out of slavery. He was a slave to the Jedi and one as a Sith. He was never truly free being either. For Anakin, masters have all the power. They've always had the power. Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Darth Sidious - all of them Masters. And for Anakin, the acquisition of power leads to one being a Master. For Anakin, power is something that makes one a master. And for slaves, they have none. So that means a lot to someone like Anakin.

[@blacklotus5364]

This hits hard considering that the Jedi order allowed him a seat on the council, but denied him the rank of 'master'. I know they probably weren't, but I almost feel like they were just messing with him sometimes... Trying to teach the wrong lessons

[@Vietmac1993]

I understand why Anakin wanted to be a master and why he felt he deserved the rank but Anakin had emotional control issues. Was it entirely his fault? No. He needed a master who had his best interest at heart and can teach him to regulate his emotions. Obi Wan was a good teacher but he had his flaws.

[@Anotherhumanbean12345]

@@Vietmac1993 obi-wan was just an obedient slave to the jedi, as far as role models go you really can't pick anyone better, thats why obi-wan was allowed to train anakin after qui-gon died. and that wouldnt have happened unless obi-wan had defeated darth maul after he killed qui-gon because qui-gon wouldve gotten the praise, had he lived. obi-wan was a good teacher but the jedi had their flaws. is a better way of saying this. My opinion? nothing would be different had anakin been raised by qui-gon instead, because the force chose him, his destiny was set. He had power, what he never had was respect. Anakin would podrace to cure his boredom, he wasn't seeking power, he had that. Anakin built machines that had personalities when he was a child, he was a master already. He wanted support and friends, not fathers, trying to force him into a box they think he can fit into, brothers, that tried so hard to compete, yet failed. and ended up envying him. so much they refused to honor him and give him the rank of master, their envy was their downfall. he needed fans. not a family. he needed to know that the people around him were the ones he needed to save, because he couldnt tell the difference between those that wanted to help him and those who just wanted to manipulate him. and thats why he liked sideous, because sideous was anakins only real friend. fan, whatever. anakin received so much negativity from the jedi that he couldnt tell the difference between them and the sith, let that sink in. why would anything be different had anakin been a sith? he wouldve been raised the same, grew up hating them for how they treated him, and a different set of younglings woulda gotten the lightsaber. the only reason you care is because you've been cultured into believing that the jedi order was without blemish.

[@klaykid117]

I'd like to say that Obi-Wan's line to Anakin saying you were like a brother to me is exactly where he failed Anakin He was like an older brother raising his younger brother when one Anakin needed was a father. Luke and Leah were both super lucky that they had proper parental surrogates

[@paulrasmussen8953]

I will add that obi wan is a by the book guy while quigon is a maverick.

[@ravencassidy1979]

I can't stop watching this

[@allthingsjiujitsu]

Love these free flowing discussions

[@anchorsaweigh9893]

Obi Wan and Anakin were such a fantastic duo that there was some level of celebrity with them. I also cannot emphasize enough an older brother relationship is just not the same as a father despite the fact that Obi Wan was one of the greatest Jedi. Such a great but sad story. I do like QGJ but Obi Wan is my favorite Jedi.

[@m0thdm]

Wow this was a banger. The more I learn about Qui Gon the more I love him.

[@TheLastCrow5150]

I have always thought that Anakin would've been blue in the beginning. Following this it would go red, green or blue every once in a while when Anakin tapped into the different sides of the force. First time any jedi doesn't have a solid color. And to finish it off, it would turn permanently white because Anakin has found true balance with the force. Goes down as the only force user to have a white lightsaber. His face would constantly change in the beginning and then be perfectly calm at the end. Shows the stages the choosen one had to endure. Even the crystals changed since the force itself fells the drastic changes in the force

[@KazuyaVeranes]

This was a great listen, you both have fantastic insights into the Star Wars lore and the personalities of the various characters and their desires, mannerisms, etc. I agree with most points. 👍🏼

[@andrewmah2962]

Qui Gon Jinn's lover was named Tahl

[@Nightwolf-eg8nz]

Love these style videos. Please keep doing them.

[@jeffersonpierce5297]

I am absolutely loving these discussion videos

[@10scott48]

I love hearing him j with thoughts off the top of his head. I love ur regular vidoes 100% but to hear u j talk about it is so cool!

[@nicholasvalencia3242]

I am glad this conversation has been had.. I came to this realization a couple years ago, that Qui Gon Jinn is the greatest “Jedi” ever. And I highlight Jedi because as you considered and spoke on, Qui Gon leaving the order. The Jedi Order exists, and operates at it’s peak during a time in the universe when there is Slavery still, and as an order that had an influence and the capability to impact the direction of the empirical structure and it’s politics; they were allowing that to happen to other living beings throughout various parts of the universe. And here Qui Gon Jinn freed a child slave, and did so when Obi Wan didn’t agree to the idea and Queen Amedala, who was currently in a fight for her planet to be saved from oppression by the trade federation, she didn’t even like the idea initially… Qui Gon has a moral compass that naturally won’t always agree with an orders set of rules and laws, he lives and operates within his limited abilities, he can’t save everyone, he does have to live in that reality. But when the opportunity to save a child and free him from slavery, he did it despite nobody else supporting his decision.. Qui Gon’s act of freeing this child, imbedded into that child the belief that one day, he will free all slaves! And in closing as to why he’s the greatest… he achieved spiritual manifestation and the ability to communicate from the afterlife and taught it to yoda and was passed on to obi wan. HE TAUGHT YODA!!!

[@LordRevan-ec6ju]

I think Qui-Gon Jinn was the father that Anakin needed. Your video was vary thought provoking and I can't wait for more videos like this.

[@brokenbridge6316]

This was a great in-depth look into Qui-Gon. A character that I have great admiration for. The ultimate Mentor character. Just like Iroh from Avatar the Last Airbender.

[@vincentshadetree]

I love listening to the two of you bouncing your ideas and theories. You two had different opinions but we're open to hearing one another and that's great to me ☺️

[@Red88Rex]

Loving these talks!!

[@michaelschuette1743]

I really enjoyed the content of this video thanks for your insights also love how long it was

[@TheStupendousWave]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@kingsylartv1436]

These are great keep going !

[@TheFreddiericks]

I love these longer form topic videos

[@Gor85]

This is very nice. I think Anakin would became Grandmaster. I think he wouldn't be so arrogant if Qui-Gon was his master,that's why Dooku hated him so much. They were so alike. Anakin would completely control his emotions. He would completely destroy the Sith. Obi-Wan was a brother,Qui-Gon was a father Anakin needed. Duel of the Fates on Naboo. This is over thousand times said. Really long video😀May the Force be with you too. Have amazing day too😀

[@EliasWindrider]

Not while yoda was around, and I don't think yoda would have died of old age before anakin.

[@Gor85]

@@EliasWindrider now you mention it

[@dabberowl]

great discussion. thank you both!

[@TheStupendousWave]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@maradjade1848]

This is my favorite video on your channel more like this please ❤❤❤❤

[@danielharman572]

I think that anakin's lightsaber crystal will probably be yellow like that of the jedi sentinels. As the jedi sentinel class incorporates many aspects of both the jedi guardian and the jedi Councillor class. The jedi sentinels also have multiple skills sets that are uniquely there own. That are taught to no other class of jedi. Then as anakin matures he will probably go on to incorporate the skill sets of the jedi shadows. It is then at this time that anakin will obtain a purple lightsaber crystal allowing for anakin to potentially master duel wielding with both yellow and purple lightsabers.

[@maradjade1848]

If he was trained by daddy Qui-gon I think he would have had a yellow lightsaber

[@mrmwatchesyoutube972]

I enjoy these discussion videos. Hopefully there's more on the way

[@maradjade1848]

More videos like this please ❤❤❤

[@cpfraghead]

Love this series guys. Keep em coming. Would also love to see the plot points you covered in your convo as an animated movie, like in a Marvel What If…? style.

[@CompComp]

I'm pretty sure Thor Skywalker did this exact what if

[@iamthehosscat6254]

Another W video! I love these!

[@CrowandTalbot]

qui gonn's faith in the will of the force and emotional acuity to balance his emotions with that would have been able to teach that emotional balance to anakin, who's tragic flaw is the inability to understand, digest, and temper his anger or any of his other emotions. he also sought power for his own gain, but seeking that power was driven by his frustration with his life in the jedi order. And his teachings in the order was to not feel, to disassociate from his feelings. i feel him continuing to struggle with putting his anger to a greater purpose instead of getting quagmired in it while he is darth vader is evidence of that. qui gonn demonstrates with his other beliefs that he doesn't just reject his feelings to achieve a quiet mind but instead balances himself and that is what anakin was sorely missing both in his training and in his life. however i don't believe anakin would have been accepted into the order without qui gonn dieing and i believe qui gonn would leave the order to train anakin since he's so adamant that it needs to happen. But since the will of the force requires balance and his death is what unbalances the force the most (originally), its possible he dies somewhere else or someone else dies instead, like maybe kenobi. or maybe qui gonn sees the evil in palpatine early, kills him, and causes the war through the force being unbalanced that way.

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

If not Qui Gon training Anakin then it needed to be somebody similar to him like Quin Lan Vos etc in my opinion. Anakin needed to be in a Jedi core that specialised in getting your hands dirty , being active & doing things under your own judgment how you see fit within reason ✅. Anakin needed a father figure , mutual respect professionally ✊🏾, acknowledgement for his accomplishments , Human to human understanding & so on. I can see Anakin being a good Jedi sentinel or someone who worked in the undercover workings intelligence setting. No regular Jedi guardian training for him he needs things more tailored to him.

[@AmberRaschen]

I just wanted to share one of my thoughts of many. 😅 I'm glad yall made this video! I had been thinking about this a lot lately! I feel like if Qui Gon were to have been around, he also wouldn't have let Palpatine manipulate Anakin as much throughout his life either. They both may have just left the order with it becoming so political and Qui Gon would have trained Anakin in the old ways away from the order. Also, with Qui Gon being so much more in tune with the force and their will and balance, I feel like he may have even been able to sense the threat of Sidious (him and obi wan do both say they feel a disturbance in the force in episode 1 when they go to meet with the trade federation and they are told to kill the jedi by Sidious) that the rest of them didn't as a result of the war... Considering the rush in finding and training padawans just to become soldiers instead of peace keepers fulfilling the will of the force as knights and everything else he would've seen past everything as he discovered the cosmic force before even yoda knew. I'd started typing this before I got to the end of your video but I'm just gonna post it anyway 😂 Yall are right it would have changed everything and we just gotta love the art that Lucas gave us ❤

[@dimitrilitovsk2372]

I think when faced with the threat of the sith, they would take the "chosen one" in for sure. They wouldn't allow the enemy to have a chance to get him

[@nicholasclaus9695]

in terms of lightsaber color i think Anakin would have a green lightsaber when he first starts out then goes to an ocean green when he gets knighted then when he turns into a master his lightsaber is ocean green but with a purplish tint to it

[@midnightmonty]

This is the series that i want to see

[@jonnovember2136]

Qui-Con Jinn was a #TDBank💳 card holder😌... He was very honest compared to most Jedi of his rank and emotional state; Obi Wan Kenobi🤔 was his great successor even though he did not had much screen time to shine⏰... When it comes down to screen time It always have to do with budget issues... 🌎💘💰

[@Sci-Fi-Mike]

If Qui-gon had survived and become Anakin's master, he may have traveled to Tatooine with Anakin to check on Shmi. Maybe?

[@joshuahenderson3444]

I still think Anakin’s lightsaber would’ve turned out purple if he had been trained under Qui Gon which is appropriate since he was the Chosen One and purple represents the balance between light and dark blue mixed with red

[@reybuccatjr.2693]

The Jedi’s Greatest Fault Was Enforcing A Strict Jedi Way. How Come All Of The GrandMasters Understand The Allure Of The Dark Side, But They Never Learn And Teach How To Resist It. Instead Only Punishing And Reprimanding. You Would Think Jedis Would Understand How This Strict Rigidity Could Cause Some Younglings/Padawans To Turn When Their Masters Are Supposed To Be A ray Of Hope/Light. Qui Gon Was His Best Chance Of Not Losing His Shit. Anakin Always Kills Dooku. Qui Gon Had No Qualms With Killing Anyone As Long As The Force Desired It. Obi Wan Creates Darth Vader AND Darth Krayt By Forcing His Jedi Way On Others. He Was Not Merciless Towards Anakin. Should Have Killed Him. Same With Krayt.

[@MainlyMinimaldubs]

sick video

[@wafagdplqs4421]

In all honesty, Qui-Gon Jinn is in my humble opinion one of the best jedi and one of the rare who truly incarnate what Jedis are meant to be.

[@Vietmac1993]

I am pretty sure it is a popular opinion.

[@danicalifornia505]

39:16 I say that they would have left before the clone wars, trained, were nomadic warriors but more from the shadows and from the small saber clashes. Then the small findings that lead them to a meeting to the Sith.

[@ChrisPBacon-js1ch]

If Qui-Gon survives, I think there are major changes in the series of events throughout the prequel era. I feel like the council’s decision to allow Qui-Gon to train Anakin could really go either way but I am more partial to the idea that they’re too stubborn to allow it, thus forcing Qui-Gon to make the decision to leave the Jedi order. I also think once he does leave with Anakin, one of the first things he does is buy out or just straight up take Shmi away from Tattooine by force. He wouldn’t leave something so important to Anakin unresolved like that. Dooku probably wouldn’t have turned to the dark side and instead I think he would have aided Qui-Gon in a financial manner to travel and aid anyone in the galaxy who needed it while he was training Anakin. And I think it would be safe to say that Dooku also doesn’t start moving politically to start the CIS, instead I feel like Plageus would have more of a hand in that being on the IBC board. And I also feel like the commission of the clone army would be something Palpatine would be more directly involved with. That would tie both of the Sith more directly to their shady dealings and it would be a lot easier to link them to that conspiracy to orchestrate a war. It’s also feasible that they don’t have the ability to get the war off the ground and instead opt for a military coup in some way involving the clone army. Ultimately I don’t see Anakin falling to the dark side and he would be able to reach his fullest potential. I think Qui-Gon would probably accidentally create a new sect of the Jedi as well.

[@R3DD3ADWSPHXAZ]

@StupendousWave I always believed the reason for Qui Gon Jinn getting bested by Darth Maul was sourly because Obi Wan didnt use the force jump as fast as he should have to get back on the platform then he should have. He literally should have used the force run (Like the both had done while on the ship trying to open (Melt with lightsaber) the doors when getting away from the Destroyer Droids) so he could 100x sooner rejoin the lightsaber battle with his master against Maul all right before the two even reach the shield doors. Which in all would mean Qui Gon would not at all have to continue the tiresome battle 1 on 1 any longer. With all that I believe In the end it would be the jedi that would be victorious against the sith and Qui Gon would be the one to train Skywalker, never becoming Darth Vader

[@Anotherhumanbean12345]

What if maul used force run to run away, and qui-gon used to keep up, still the 1 on 1 battle. that qui-gon lost on purpose, in order to become a jedi spirit, if you watch the fight between old ben kenobi and vader, its the same. ben drops his lightsaber and takes the hit. yoda is different because he isn't killed, but if you think about how old he was and that he was probably keeping himself alive through the force like sideous was its not crazy to think he had to give up immortality in order to die and become a ghost.

[@zanex-draygorne632]

🔥🔥🔥Discussion

[@KazuyaVeranes]

A ‘Star Wars What If?’ series would be so interesting with all these theories on various KZbin channels. This is a perfect example. Simply: “What If Qui-Gon survived?”

[@carlosgarza400]

Good podcast

[@dimitrilitovsk2372]

I think dooku could have returned to the light, but I think it would only be easy for him if qui gon survived. Dooku would test his old apprentice and see that they are near equals. Dooku with better blade combat and qui gon with a more thorough understanding of the force

[@izzymaedavidson1974]

Way better Star Wars KZbinr than Star Wars theory

[@dragonmaster0626]

I enjoyed this through analysis of both Obi Wan and Anakin being victims of the path they had to take when Qui Gon died. I also like to believe that it was because of these experience of both being an inexperienced teacher and of watching Order 66 unfold before him, Obi Wan was the perfect teacher for Luke Skywalker in the original trilogy.

[@mikeabbaticchio5754]

I think one of the biggest things yous guys over looked was one of the biggest motivations of dooku leaving the order was qgj death as he even stated in the plagueis novel that if the council continues to waste jedi lives; and that would leave Palpatine wo an apprentice and the ds may not in turn whisper for plagueis to die. Then we may have gotten a confrontation between plagueis and the chosen one he created.

[@ghostface4404]

Anakin never tried to upstage but to be accepted.

[@ThePyromechwolf]

A couple of things that would have been different on the jedi order would still have disproved. Qui-Gon said he did not care about the counsel. So I would see Qui-Gon would be what a rouge jedi do and be a rouge. I would also think Obi-Wan would have been an inbetween for a moment between Qui-Gon and the order. I would then expect that the Jedi order would be more ready for the civil war, not just have the clone army. But maybe the civil war not happening. Especially if Ani was able to listen to the force like Qui-Gon. I would see Palpatine trying to kill Qui-Gon again, but after training a new Palawan to distact Ani as Palpatine would go after Qui-Gon. But maybe ultimately failing. Doku probably would have warned them. At the end, a new order would form or they would take over the existing order.

[@alexschmeling2655]

Can you imagine if he still fell to the dark side thougg? 5he depth of his powers if he could have murdered his own father figure? The level of rage that would be required to even concieve of the thought?

[@Lifeisgood86]

Qui-Gon is my favorite Star Wars character and yes TPM is my favorite Star Wars movie! KZbinr Thor Skywalker also has some great videos about Qui-Gon. I believe if Qui-Gon had lived he would have saved Anakin from turning. Qui-Gon would have understood Anakins thoughts on family and such that Qui-Gon would have prevented Anakin from turning to the dark side. It’s a shame that we never got to see this. But based on the Qui-Gon comic, Master and Apprentice book, and video like this it really paints a picture as to how Qui-Gon would have turned out and how he would have prevented Anakins fall and how in a way Qui-Gon himself was a chosen one and he was also the only true Jedi at the time since he always followed the will of the force and not that council that’s was he was seen as rebellious because the council was too caught up in the their code that they believed they were above the force and that the Jedi code was more important where as Qui-Gon was in service to the force and believes that’s how the Jedi should have been all along. In service to the power not the power in service to them.

[@oscarjacquot]

Hey, Stupendous Wave, when will you upload “What if Qui Gon Jinn Trained Anakin Skywalker? part 3”

[@darksoloangledarkauraangel4883]

16:45 I feel I could agree with that

[@darksoloangledarkauraangel4883]

23:31 & holeness

[@darrencole97]

Qui gon dying at the hands of Duku is fascinating and would have made Anikin’s relationship with Obi Wan interesting.

[@sebastianolvera6923]

Yeah It would be super interesting and I think that instead of Obi-Wan It's Anakin who comes up with the strategy to defeat Dooku or any dark side users during the Clone Wars and his strategy would be way more powerful and nihilistic that Palpatine would've been fearful of him than he was to Dooku, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan And also this type of strategy and quick way of good thinking would make a Jedi like Mace Windu be extremely jealous and angry I think that's possible

[@chrishansel95]

I've actually thought about how this may have played out later. IF Anakin still marries and creates Luke/Leia, I aways thought he would have more clarity because he would have been specifically trained to be the best HE could be. When the proverbial : "Shit hits the fan" and order 66, he gathers as many of the the jedi he can and escapes with Padme. Removing himself at the point to switch sides (Transition, lol).

[@Noahleitner98]

Anakin would’ve had a white saber symbolizing balance and neutrality within the force.

[@amarured]

Your wrong I believe in saying that Shmi would die anyways. Qui Gon promised to come back for her. If he had lived he would have fulfilled that promise and set her up somewhere safe.

[@kwamiaj4585]

Sooooo.... About that part 3 of him being Anikin's master??

[@leedutch5155]

Obi-Wan was like an older brother for anakin in attack of the clones anakin describes Obi-Wan as the closet thing he had to a father but I think after anakin became a knight he viewed Obi-Wan purely as an elder brother. Jinn served the force and broke Jedi rules if it meant serving the force which made him a perfect mentor for rule breaker anakin

[@Vietmac1993]

Qui Gonn was a rule breaker but he did it for the right reasons. Plus he was wiser and disciplined. Anakin was a rule breaker but a lot of times it was for selfish reasons and he had emotional issues. You are correct Qui Gon would have been the perfect mentor for Anakin.

[@leoroemer6085]

Qui-Gon would have taught Anakin all about the importance of attachments and love. He would also give Anakin his blessing to marry Padme as he would believe that it is will of the Force for Anakin the Chosen One to experience the good and light that comes with unconditional love.

[@user-yc9vv9xb8s]

the stupendous wave Qui-Gon Jinn was the perfect and only Jedi Master who could have saved Anakin Skywalker help him reach his true full potential save his mother and allow him to be with Padme also Qui-Gon Jinn should have also been the Grand Master as well as Dooku for Supreme Chancellor

[@michaelschuette1743]

You guys cover another of good lore topics bit rarely cover space battles or rebel or imperial tactics perhaps you guys could cover some of the major space battles in greater details

[@ComilitoEqvinus]

you guys do have interesting take on youngling slayer 2000

[@thecowboy9698]

In short: Qui-Gon was the father Anakin needed but didn't get. Obi-Wan was a man who wasn't ready for that responsibility but did the best he could, despite his faults. In that respect I think Obi-Wan presents the reality of fatherhood - that when you become a father for the first time, you're not truly ready for it, even if you intended to have a child, but there's still so much that is unknown to you - yet you try to do the best you can with what you have to work with, no matter how imperfect it is.

[@SikhiJedi]

When you guys are talking about how out of all people Anakin trusted Padme the most when he killed the Tusken raiders. Well actually in the revenge of the sith book Sidious brings up to Anakin that there are secrets Anakin tells him that no one else knows, Anakin even went into more detail about the slaughter to Sidious.

[@rileyholland161]

I also think there's more to explore and be said about Anakin's motivations and pushes towards the dark side that were out of Obi-wan's control. First with the confirmation that Anakin's conception was brought by Palatine's dark force manipulation of midichlorians. Which to me says that Anakin's lust for power and fall to the dark side were inevitable. So to me it's hard to think that simply a different master would have changed his outcome. There's also the instance where Anakin has the vision of his mother then procedes to attempt a rescue. Which results in a failure leading him to slaughter the tuskens, beginning his quest for irrational power. Obi-wan couldn't have done anything for Anakin had he even known what was taking place.

[@UltimateRareAncientGearGolem]

The major thing Qui-Gon would have done was really teach Anakin about the living force and how even though people may die, they live on through the force, they move with it and become one with it, along with how the Living Force has a will and people deaths are often a major part of that will, these things would help him overcome his biggest reason for turning to the Dark Side, his fear or his loved ones dying. Qui-Gons biggest failure as a Jedi I believe is not instilling these beliefs in Obi-Wan which meant they never had the opportunity to get passed down to Anakin.

[@Anotherhumanbean12345]

If qui-gon couldnt teach that to obi-wan why do you think he would've been successful teaching anakin?

[@joshuahenderson3444]

There’s no debate that Qui Gon was the key and answer to everything Yoda may have been the most powerful Jedi but Qui Gon was the Grandmaster the light side order needed and was all the more wiser than Yoda ever was from start to finish

[@Anotherhumanbean12345]

Thats why he wasn't the jedi grandmaster, you misunderstand the dichotomy of light and dark. anakin was to bring balance to the force in a world where the jedi ruled the galaxy. the light side was in power. when there's too much light a speck of darkness feels more like a torch illuminating a dark cavern.

[@jvines11]

in my opinion, jedi master fey would have been the best teacher for ankin.

[@timothyvanhoeck233]

19:11 Jedi Master Tahl

[@NebulusDerg]

Stupendous Wave Podcast?

[@alfredfalkenberg4100]

It would be super cool if you two content creators could collaborate and make a what if Story on this subject or even others instead of just having these conversations. It is pretty cool these conversations, after all you are you are giving us your own insight and feelings about these subjects in various details. but if you could take it a step further and create a real what if story. that would be super appreciated.

[@johnmcavinue9125]

“Duel of the fates” could not have a more appropriate name. The outcome of the duel between Maul, Jin, and Kenobi had the fate of the entire galaxy at stake.

[@jamest1242r]

Thats the problem about the council not wanting it to seem like Anakin was getting special treatment. Are you fucking kidding me? He was the chosen one and a being who had 40,000 midochlorians per cell. I mean he deserves and needs special treatment. I mean come on.

[@colinleat8309]

I absolutely love these videos with your discussions. I think Qui Gon would have left the Jedi, taken Obi Wan and Anakin and Shmi and become wandering Jedi, like Ashoka. They would still help Padme and they would still fall in love, without the restrictions. They would still meet Asohka and they would be a great extended family...and kicked Palpatines but! 🤣👍

[@macdog1]

In Phantom Menance when Quigon brings up the potential in training the boy but the council is very doubtful... what a missed oppourtunity that scene was. Qui-Gon could have elucidated more as to _why_ anakin could be trained, and that explanation could of served well to display Qui-Gons relationship with the force and the politics of the modern Jedi.

[@ThousandMask]

I always thought the way Qui Gon and Ani died was a sign of a discrete father/son dynamic. Qui Gon always believed Ani was the chosen one, wanted to be his father and died for that believed to protect him and a greater future for him. Perhaps founding how to be one with the force was part of a greater knowledge that it may die as prophecy says he will have no father, and Qui Gon was very aware that Jedis created unbalanced in the force too. (Perhaps even wise enough to know that something real bad was about to happen, but eventually would be a way for the force to found balance, and that jedis ways at the time allowed that to happen, after all he was the 1st target of sidious) In the other hand, just like Qui Gon, at the last moment of his life Ani sacrificed himself for Luke with the believe of the chosen one and for a greater future for Luke That parallel to me is a clear sign of a father/son dynamic, very dramatic sad but beautiful

[@Anotherhumanbean12345]

the plural of jedi is jedi not jedis.

[@dawidwrobel3412]

Blue/green blade into yellow

[@derais6162]

Dooku + quigon wouldve been father/grandfathers of the year. Dooku for his skill with a lightsaber and quigon with his out of the box thinking. Dooku could've shown anakin so much more truth to the world than obiwan ever couldve. Quigon is patient and not quick to anger and could handle anakin during his teen years better. Theres so much more that could've been achieved.

[@kaidorade1317]

Part 3 of What if Quigon trained Anakin?

[@elmo1639]

I haven't played it yet, but I'm curious to know how many times you died/or were killed. I've always believed the greatest luxury you'll be given in any video game is the ability to save it when ever you want. Like I said, I haven't played it yet, but as long it doesn't crash every 5 minutes it looks good.

[@BloodravenRivers]

i believe qui gon wouldve studied the will of the force and if it was willed he wouldve encouraged anakins growth oh yeah dude just said it, i think he wouldve been the light side analog to the dark side mentor that was palpatine.

[@reyvillegasjr166]

Anakins saber as he turns Into Master Anakin with quigon after the twins are born... Yellow 😶 just like Reys which is my favorite scene of the sequel 😒 but yea a sentinel thenn he gets a purple one

[@Rawmp]

What does Qui Gon surviving do to affect Dooku's path? His death was told to us being the final nail in the coffin that pushed Dooku away from the Jedi. We know that Dooku had, at one point, a belief in fighting against dark siders even while all the other Jedi saw that as foolish. Does Qui Gon live, tell Dooku not only are the Sith still active but that he also found the "Chosen One", and somehow convince his master to stay and give his guidance to Anakin as well? Does Dooku at this time see value in his input toward Anakin as the bringer of balance or is his disgust at the Republic too great?