Mel is the Darling of Speakers Corner, Glad to see him there.
@michaelhughes74584 ай бұрын
You guys have to write a book on your findings
@jamalkhan37084 ай бұрын
Good to see Dr Jay and Mel in person better than thousands miles away. God bless both 🙏
@dadasha4 ай бұрын
Yeah with that doggy fancy fake background of Mel's setup!
@truthdefenders-4 ай бұрын
It was a pleasure meeting Mel.
@IslamicOrigins4 ай бұрын
Likewise! 🙏
@marcusbou-samra59294 ай бұрын
We need this video to go viral.
@ACRC19774 ай бұрын
Great work Mel and Jay!
@pauljansentextor1788lx4 ай бұрын
In early 7th century there wasnt even a Mekka! I looked it up!
@corinnajones90304 ай бұрын
Jay proves it in his videos. Mekka and Medina were insignificant villages away from trade routes.
@olami84 ай бұрын
Mecca never existed then. Bacca is referred to in the Quran. Quran replaces Bacca with Mecca.
@Gieszkanne4 күн бұрын
@@corinnajones9030 Also the first mosques weren't oriented to Mekka.
@HeidiZhang-t1q4 ай бұрын
Pray for Dr Jay and Mel and your team. Days will go pass all Muslims will bow down before Jesus confessing Jesus is the Lord ❤❤❤
@IslamicOrigins4 ай бұрын
Please God! 🙏
@corinnajones90304 ай бұрын
It will sadly be too late for most of them.
@tommyrotton94684 ай бұрын
I'd just be happy if they stop trying to be like this Muhammad.
@Popalongkid4 ай бұрын
First off , I’m not here to refute or agree with this topic ! But what I find ironic is how they just took so much time to meticulously analyze the origins of the name Muhammad and how it was originally pronounced and written , just to associate it with Jesus !! But history tells us that Jesus is not the correct Aramaic name of Yasuha !! How do you purport one to be incorrect while teaching the other incorrectly ? 😮
@corinnajones90304 ай бұрын
@@Popalongkid I find it ironic that you're in the opinion that Jay, the lifelong scholar of Christianity and Islam, the child of missionaries, who attended school with children in the Islamic part of India is wrong. Meanwhile your opinionated self must be correct? I suggest you slow down and check again.
@simonhengle83164 ай бұрын
This fabulous well done for saying it publicly Mel and for Dr Jay Smith’s support 👍
@IslamicOrigins4 ай бұрын
Thanks for all the encouraging comments! I thought Jay and I got it across very suciently. I wasn't sure until I watched it back if it would be clear but it seems readily comprehensible, even those new to this.
@TheThornbird214 ай бұрын
Absolutely 👍 This has been a delight to watch, clear and lively and very compréhensible. Great Job Mel 👍
@123dsj1234 ай бұрын
Thank you, Mel!
@FourApramanas4 ай бұрын
Super stuff. After this, I revisited Jay and Mel's conversation (published 22nd April 2024), _MHMD [15] Ben of Tuleda suggests Muhammad lived 500 years later!_ , reporting on the travelog of Benjamin of Tudela, a 12th century rabbi... “....When [Benjamin of Tudela] visited Baghdad, he met the Caliph Al-Abbasi, who not only knew all about Israel, but knew how to read and speak Hebrew as well, and befriended him. This strong relationship with the Jews and with Israel goes against everything we know about Islam and the Jews from within the Islamic Traditions. Benjamin mentions that Al-Abbasi was regarded by the men of Islam as "Mohammed", and when they came to Baghdad to do the Haj, they kissed his robe, believing that he was Allah's holy presence on earth, much like the earlier Jewish Exilarchs. So, it seemed that in the 12th century, this caliph, Al-Abbasi, was the focus of their pilgrimage, and was their "Mohammed". He mentioned that the Jews and the "Mohammedans" (notice that he doesn't use the word "Muslims" here) were to pay allegiance to the Caliph Al-Abbasi, or they would receive 100 lashes. At this time the Jewish Exilarch, Ali, was the Vice-regent (the administrative deputy) to the Caliph Al-Abbasi, who came out once a year as Mohammad. Consequently, the vice-regent Ali, who ruled all year long, actually had more power than Mohammed the caliph, since he ruled only for one day. This relationship between Ali and Mohammed, it seems, continued right up until the Mongols came and conquered that whole area of Iraq and Syria in 1219-1221, and usurped their power. So, the major question we need to ask is when then did Islam as we know it really begin? Did it begin with the Abbasids after the 8th century, as we have assumed up to now, or did it begin much later, sometime after the 12th century, or even as late as the Ottoman dynasty, and then redacted back to the 7th century?” I look forward to future 'news of the past' from Mel and Jay. Thank you!
@elitezafficobra22884 ай бұрын
WHERE did god the Father GET the “Son” Jesus FROM before the creation of the universe?
@RoninofRamen4 ай бұрын
@@elitezafficobra2288 That is a non sequitur. Announcing that "I don't understand, or even care to try to understand the doctrine of the Holy Trinity" does not counter the historic question of Mohammad's supposed existence. There are non-trinitarian sects of Christianity (Unitarian, Arian, Nestorian, JWs etc.) as well as other religions with links to the Hebrew canon Judaism, Samaritanism, Manichaeism etc. so even if there were an issue with one doctrine in one branch of Christianity that doesn't make Islam true by default.
@elitezafficobra22884 ай бұрын
@@RoninofRamen If Jesus is god and eternal. Then WHERE did the Father GET the “ son” FROM before the universe ever existed. And 13.7 billion before the host Mary existed?
@elitezafficobra22884 ай бұрын
@@RoninofRamen All branches of Christianity still believe he is the “ son” of god.
@irishheritage8934 ай бұрын
Maith an fear Mel! Proud to see a fellow Irish person standing there.
@IslamicOrigins4 ай бұрын
Delighted to represent the Emerald Isle in this historical critique of Islam.
@pictureel58634 ай бұрын
God bless you both! Mel seems to really come alive in public!!
@robertdnero22174 ай бұрын
Good work, Mel. 👍
@hoon57634 ай бұрын
Smashing job at your first Ladder speaking brother MEL, and thank you God for sending brother Jay to help glorify your Name as the only lovely one , the only one sent for our redemption that great gift sent and never earned, and and most of all the one who rejoins us with our father that we can experience his love and bath in his continuance . A celebration is the word that MHMD represents , and upon its knowing we may finally understand the missing history that corrects the schism of Christianity and returns our Muslim brothers to our sides as it was in the beginning and as it should be in the end when we all sing of one accord.
@urbandsouza72794 ай бұрын
I use to follow sin,now proclaim nicean creed.
@silverltc27294 ай бұрын
Heaven rejoices when one soul is saved. ❤
@dadasha4 ай бұрын
This should be shown in every mosque and Islamic schools across the globe for 30 days in a row!
@tommyrotton94684 ай бұрын
by right it should be shown in every secondary school as part of religious history. But we know full well that rent a beard mobs will be threatening to murder the teacher and the Police will protect the mob not the teacher.
@hagalhagal99894 ай бұрын
Great job Mel! The best summary of where we are at that I have heard! :)
@ts89604 ай бұрын
IslamicOrgins is a good channel. Im glad jay is giving him exposure
@SuperCodemeister4 ай бұрын
I love seeing Mel at Speakers Corner! ❤
@IslamicOrigins4 ай бұрын
Thank you! 😁
@Basaljet4 ай бұрын
5.20 Good to see Jay applauding Saint Ambrose. One of the Four "Latin Doctors". Check his teaching on the Holy Eucharist
@geo32194 ай бұрын
I S L A M - Incomprehensible Story Line Abashed Massively
I'm sorry for those fooled into living for a myth but the ones who killed for it earned the fruits of their own character.
@sheikhboyardee5564 ай бұрын
There are other religions & cults that have some problems but no one bothers them because they are non-violent, tolerant & easy to get along with so they fly under the radar. They believe as they wish & most people, being tolerant themselves do not bother them. Islam is different as it has been shown to be not a real religion, just a copy of others, violent & intolerant. That's the reason so many people are researching it showing it for what it is. It will be gone within 50 years.
@ragael10244 ай бұрын
@@sheikhboyardee556 doubt it. they plan on silencing England, Germany and France through imposing Sharia. 3countries that have produced many researchers criticizing Islam. Dawahs are pucking and chosing bits of info that fit their narrative while removing all others, as well as "taking advantage" of tghe general lack of arabic knowledge and telling us what verses actually mean, when in fact many times they've been caught lying by arabic speaking ppl. it will take a lot longer than 50years to dismantle the religion. and if liberals still have power over us, it may never fall.
@tommyrotton94684 ай бұрын
@@sheikhboyardee556 I don't know. the Mongols crushed Islam, but like weeds after the Mongols left the cult returned. It must be addictive and brainwashing in some way as the texts are obviously false and nonsensical?
@SaintMurad4 ай бұрын
I can't imagine myself at speakers corner .. my voice will be inaudible 😂😂
@pfanderfilms4 ай бұрын
Saint Murad, we would mic you up, as we did with Mel, so you could easily be heard by the camera, which is where you need to be heard, since that is where the real audience for this material is.
@daro85934 ай бұрын
Brilliant! Mel!
@erwingora48944 ай бұрын
Praying for Indonesian free from Islam
@IslamicOrigins4 ай бұрын
I will releasing 2 videos in Indonesian in early July to help.
@NotevenTonyАй бұрын
Orthodox Christianity is spreading like wildfire among the Muslims there! Glory to God for it
@urbandsouza72794 ай бұрын
Mel nicely put it together. Nice and contextual. All together lovely
@mysotiras214 ай бұрын
Bravo! Brilliant, concise, and so damaging to the SIN. Facts don't lie and the historical facts contradict the claims of Islam.
@graysonbr4 ай бұрын
So I am gathering the Arab nomads and raiders needed a Robin Hood legend to advance their empire and draw men to their cause.
@corinnajones90304 ай бұрын
That's a great summary of their motivation.
@mysotiras214 ай бұрын
more like a King Arthur, considering all the magic and fables we find in the SIN.
@olami84 ай бұрын
Muhammad was really a Robin Hood.
@travelswithted6734 ай бұрын
Great work
@midimusicforever4 ай бұрын
Well done Mel!
@billywink12104 ай бұрын
You are doing a great job Sir. God bless you and bless your work. You are showing us how to debunk the lies of Islam
@jma76004 ай бұрын
We miss Hatun ❤
@TheThornbird214 ай бұрын
Hatun burned out, she needed a time out I think.
@tommyrotton94684 ай бұрын
@@TheThornbird21 she had a chat with Tommy Robinson recently so least we know she is alive and well )
@KJ-db7pt4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the researchers actively pursuing the misunderstanding among people of the old
@Christus.Rex.Dominus4 ай бұрын
“Altogether lovely one” is genuinely a beautiful meaning to a name. Too bad it’s been destroyed by this altogether destructive culture
@pauljansentextor1788lx4 ай бұрын
Hello brother Mell!!
@murielpucoe92134 ай бұрын
It was exciting to see Mel. Hello Mel. We usually only saw your face .
@djkatfishbeats4 ай бұрын
Its was all a dream ✨️
@andywong98474 ай бұрын
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
@KingfisherSeven4 ай бұрын
Great summary - thank you.
@urbandsouza72794 ай бұрын
Now we understand why they aginst questions
@NotevenTonyАй бұрын
“Logical deduction is haram” -ibn taymiyya
@MANAVKUMAR-t2t4 ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@gonindunit4 ай бұрын
Dear Jesus, protect your children on the front lines of this battle. In Jesus name give them wisdom, to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. To speak the Truth in love so that your children who are seeking the Truth, can receive it.
@davidabramovichkosciuszko42164 ай бұрын
❤
@FrontrunnerABC4 ай бұрын
This is mind-blowing. Who could forsee in the 8 th century that there would be the internet and research in the future.?😅
@augustinep6193Ай бұрын
Good. Thanks. Very good.
@lukesusilo21124 ай бұрын
living in muslim majority country, I pretty well knew that the most conservative of them won't put picture in their house, rather, they put caligraphy of Arabic writing, but Muawiya, the supposed caliph put picture of living being in the coin and with cross?
@simondavies19004 ай бұрын
Jay you have to love history ❤❤❤
@SunriseInParadise4 ай бұрын
I’ve always suspected that Mhmd is a title, and even with the Muslims, there was many leaders possibly using that title, until the 8th Century when it was all associated with one person.
@robertkerr96244 ай бұрын
Well done lads. RMK
@waiandmtoj18774 ай бұрын
Who comes from nowhere in the Garden of Eden, well you all know.
@conorspyridon70084 ай бұрын
I would love Mel to debate Mansur . That would be pure entertainment 😅😅😅😅
@denisludden19812 ай бұрын
God bless the work of Dr Jay and Mel, I pray for Muslims with a sincere heart for the truth to hear, listen and reflect. The end of the bible warns of false prophets.
@iberius9937Ай бұрын
Dr. Jay has such a booming voice reminiscent of Billy Graham!
@salancy32794 ай бұрын
💐❤️✝️❤️💐😇🙏👍👌👌
@bcfc187512 ай бұрын
Without lies, i$lam dies!! ✝️🙏🏼🏴🇬🇧 Jesus is King!!
@pipbaxter52864 ай бұрын
Would have been good to see some audience expressions
@jaimeekingdinali51724 ай бұрын
Jesus is King 👑
@amb.lemueliel4 ай бұрын
SOng 5:16, You have to be Jewish, a son of David to qualify. It describes the Messiah.
@Basaljet4 ай бұрын
Takes a Catholic!
@Calvin-ce7ri4 ай бұрын
Superb explanation. Christ is God and the King of Kings.
@OttoNomicus4 ай бұрын
Gabriel would have known about the Book of Galatians by the 7th century AD, being well read, and did he say that the following should be disregarded? "Galatians 4: 28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman." Good point, descendants of Egyptian slave women don't get birthrights, only descendants of Isaac or people who mentally identify as such while also believing Jesus is YHWH transformed into a higher level entity which is now anthropomorphic. YHWH is no more, he made the jump to Christ-consciousness and is now possibly the most powerful and advanced deity ever, now repulsed by the notion of livestock sacrifice.
@waiandmtoj18774 ай бұрын
YWHW wont ever be Muhammad. MHMD, could only be Jesus the praised one, (I'd rather call him the annointed though) but never Muhammad.
@eriklevlin27734 ай бұрын
Slavery Created The Arab Empire and a Religion. After the fall of the Roman Empire, an Arab Empire arose in the 7th century in the Middle East where victorious armies took captives who were sold on slave markets. In order to promote the sale of slaves in order to finance war of conquest the Abbasid Dynasty wrote stories about the Messenger of God, the ruler of Medina, so that the believers got a prophet and moral role model who was slave owner and had taken captives in war to use as slaves, thus the believers could without moral qualms buy the captives that were sold as slaves which provided the income to finance the conquest of a large Empire stretching from Spain to Pakistan.
@tucosalamanca9843 ай бұрын
Great comedy sketch
@mr.angelosonassis30693 ай бұрын
Song of Songs 5:16 "His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem." The phrase "altogether lovely" is the Hebrew word "machmaddim." This is believed by Jews and Christians as an honorific for the Messiah. Mohammed was not Jewish, so he is not eligible to be messiah.
@shudson234 ай бұрын
"Oh no, these taBlEs aRe CorRupTeD."🥴🥴🥴 You know who😂😂😂😂
@nunovalecardosoАй бұрын
Why does the angel Gabriel, God's messenger, appear to Muhammad telling him to create a new religion and a new god - Allah?
@russelldavis84154 күн бұрын
Seems like the Abbasid rulers at that time, paid writers to create a false prophet, based on the stories and scriptures that already existed. In addition they would have to be in line with the aims and objectives of the rulers, which would have included further expansion of their territories, and to do that they would need a very large source of manpower to draw upon. So how could they unite all the various tribes who were continually squabbling with each other? they needed a religion/prophet like the jews or christian’s but had all the attributes of the Arab way of thinking, not the jews or christian’s, and of course he had to be superior to them. kinda makes sense dont you think??
@martinjackman29434 ай бұрын
So many on the ladder... so little wrestling... Jacob won't be pleased..
@123dsj1234 ай бұрын
I am a Jacob still wrestling with God; and so are you. So is everyone.
@martinjackman29434 ай бұрын
@@123dsj123 Its an excellent metaphor for life.. But Jay and Mel are on an ACTUAL ladder... so I was joking.
@123dsj1234 ай бұрын
@@martinjackman2943 I was delighted recently to see Dr. Jorden Peterson used the "Jacob Wrestling with God" as a metaphor of life. I think it was in a video entitled "People Who Wrestle with God". Thank you... I knew all along that you were joking.
@robbiestones94474 ай бұрын
I highly doubt any muslim knows this or will even look into it...because their whole worldview culture and family belongs to this....i could be wrong but aint most of the early people to formulate the quran and sayings and etc of persian origins...
@610MARYAM4 ай бұрын
YOU CANNOT SHUT DOWN PROPHET MUHAMMAD BECAUSE IM THE LINK U NEED TO SHUT DOWN AND IV GOT JESUS AND ALL THE EVIDENCE AND I HAVE GOD
@amjidhuss10924 ай бұрын
Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.” Jesus pbh prayed with head on floor same has Muslim.
@IslamicOrigins4 ай бұрын
Tenuous. Also Islam has copied how coptics prayed, movements etc. So get it right, Muslims try to mimic Jesus, not the other way round, and even then get most of it wrong.
@josephj50504 ай бұрын
Jesus prayed to God as His Father as all Jews and Christians still do, because that is what the prophets reveal about the nature of the God of Abraham e.g.Prophet Malachi 2.10 These are the prophets Muslims are taught to believe in and accept, whilst believing in a god who rejects everything they say. Muslims cannot pray to Allah as a father,Allah is a father to no one and none of his 99 names include father. Allah proves to be a counterfeit god pretending to be the God of Abraham which is deception,and deception comes from Satan. Muslims continue to remain victims of this spiritual deception to this day, trusting their salvation in a lie. QED Islam is a fraud.
@elitezafficobra22884 ай бұрын
WHERE did god the father GET the “ son” Jesus FROM before the creation of the universe??
@IslamicOrigins4 ай бұрын
Where did Allah get the words of the Qur'an from before the creation of the world? Were those words eternal or constructed in time? Look forward to an answer.
@elitezafficobra22884 ай бұрын
@@IslamicOrigins The Quran is the direct speech of Allah to mankind revealed to prophet Muhammad peace be upon him by Angel Gabriel. The ( original) Gospel and ( original ) Torah were also the direct speech of Allah to mankind. Both the Gospel and Torah without a doubt were changed, distorted and corrupted. Here are the reasons why and how the Gospel was violated. Before we begin I refer you to these words of Satan to Allah mentioned in the Quran. This event took place before Satan was expelled from paradise for disobeying Allah and misleading Adam and Eve. “ Let me live until The Day of Judgement and I swear by your Might and Honour I will lead them all astray” Allah said - “ Granted, but who ever among them follows your footsteps steps I will throw them into hell with you” A man by the name of St Paul destroyed the entire religion of Christianity from its core. After Jesus was taken to the heaven by Allah saving him from his torturers and tormentors . The Gospel was in its perfect form. The very early Christians worshiped only One all powerful, all knowing unseen God. Who is the sole creator of the entire universe. They believed Jesus was Allahs messenger and slave and lived life how he Jesus taught them and did not commit idolatry. Until one day a man by the name of St. Paul came along. One day while St Paul was pondering about the miraculous birth of Jesus Christ and the miracles he performed by the permission of Allah, Satan took the opportunity to whisper evil into his heart. This is what he mostly certainly whispered - “ He was a miracle birth, perhaps he was the “ son” of god”. St. Paul - “ umm sounds good, 🧐🤔” Now all St Paul hod to do at that very moment when Satan was attacking him with evil suggestions and whispers, is pray to Allah to protect from Satan and guide him to the Straight path. Pray to Allah the way Jesus peace be upon him taught. But he didn’t and began writing and spreading idolatry. And that’s how Christianity was destroyed from its core. The rest is history!! Now my friend. From the Christian perspective. If Jesus is eternal and god - WHERE did the Father GET the “ son” FROM before the creation of the universe. And 13.7 billion years before the host Mary ever existed?
@elitezafficobra22884 ай бұрын
@@IslamicOrigins The Quran is Allahs final speech to humanity. Now my friend. If Jesus is eternal which means no beginning and no end. Then WHERE did the Father GET the “son” FROM ?? Before the creation of the universe? And 13.7 billion years before Mary the host existed?
@dpatrick51644 ай бұрын
God the father tells you in Psalm 2: Pss.2 [7] I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
@elitezafficobra22884 ай бұрын
@@dpatrick5164 But WHERE did the Father GET the “ son” the second person FROM before the creation of the universe and BEFORE Mary the host ever existed??
@RingJando2 ай бұрын
Jesus does not exist according to "spelling" rules of antiquity - the Hebrew indicates - (as in the name Joseph) that the Hebrew name for Jesus is Yeshua, which is written as *יֵשׁוּעַ* & this is also missing vowels to complete the Holy name - so that means, Jesus did not exist?
@GENESIS.50-204 ай бұрын
So much to learn thankyou my lovely Teachers .
@SunbreathingShadow4 ай бұрын
Useful before rasulullah steal it
@oprophetisfake94824 ай бұрын
The myth of Muhammad was always taking things from others, like the character of Muhammad in the myth. Jesus was called the Seal of the Prophets based on passages like Luke 24:27. "And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself." Jesus was the true seal because He fulfilled what the prophets had said about the Messiah. The Gospel of John chapter 1 introduces Jesus as the Light of God. The book of Colossians reveals that Jesus is the one for whom all things were created, not Muhammad. Muhammad is always trying to copy and take attributes that rightfully belong to jesus.
@alijahalilovic323 ай бұрын
He did not shut down anything he just repeated his nonsense
@alijahalilovic324 ай бұрын
Absoluter Schwachsinn
@IslamicOrigins4 ай бұрын
History is nonsense to ahistorical mythicists but I prefer history.
@alijahalilovic324 ай бұрын
If you don,t understand what i said google the english translation
@hariom_0004 ай бұрын
Jai sri ram i am proud to be hindu
@jordanbey8704 ай бұрын
Jay take your shahada..
@TheThornbird214 ай бұрын
He’s uncovering the Islamic lies, why would he take shahada???
@jordanbey8704 ай бұрын
@@TheThornbird21 He follows another set of lies which is Jesus so he might as well take shahada 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@silverltc27294 ай бұрын
There is no God but YHWH and Jesus is The Angel/Messenger of YHWH.
@jordanbey8704 ай бұрын
@@silverltc2729 Nonsense...there is no God but money and you ain't got none..
@silverltc27294 ай бұрын
@@jordanbey870 lay off your crack pipe.
@aaronharun1394H4 ай бұрын
Jesus got hungry and ate. God does not need food. God created and provided us with our food. Jesus is NOT the one God.
@IslamicOrigins4 ай бұрын
Try your best non fallacious argument. This argument is weak and you know it.
@MU-we8hz4 ай бұрын
After reading this comment, allah became an apostate
@TheThornbird214 ай бұрын
😁😁😁😁 Your comment proves your lack of Knowledge. God the father is a spirit, a spirit doesn’t need food, doesn’t feel pain or hunger no die. Jesus ( the son of man) is the image of the unseen God in the flesh. Your argument is so old and rotten and still being repeated although it has been answered by many many Christian literatures, individuals, channels…
@aaronharun1394H4 ай бұрын
The earlier idols (false deities) were statues erected of pious people of previous generations. These people were later wrongly prayed to and taken as deities. These type of misguided beliefs of taking humans as deities or gods exist in pagan and polytheist religions, past and present. A human taking another human as a deity or God is falsehood. It makes absolutely no sense for a human to pray to (worship) another human. Deity Incarnation where a human is believed to be a deity or God coming down in this world as a human is among the misguided claims in pagan and polytheist religions, past and present. Claiming a human is God manifest as a human is among the misguided claims in pagan and polytheist religions. Claiming a spirit in a human is a deity or God is among the misguided claims in pagan and polytheist religions. Claiming God having sons or daughters is among the misguides claims in pagan and polytheists religions. All that I mentioned about idolatry, pagan and polytheist religions you can look it up online including from their own sources. The misguided belief of taking Jesus as a deity or God is against what Jesus himself believe and taught. It is against what all the guided prophets that include Noah, Abraham and Moses believed and taught. It is against the foremost of the religion which is the first and foremost commandment. Abraham did not pray to Jesus which is a man's name. Abraham did not pray to three persons. God is not a human God created humans As great a human Jesus is, he still is human.
@aaronharun1394H4 ай бұрын
Chosen messengers of God were sent by God throughout history to warn their communities of their errors. Noah and Abraham were messengers of God who were sent to warn their communities of their errors of idolatry and the consequences of Hellfire. Idolatry is a grave error and an unforgivable sin. The only way is to repent and leave that believe and practise. Muhammad was also sent to warn the arab pagans at the time of their errors of idolatry. As an ensuing messenger who is also the final messenger chosen after Jesus, Muhammad was also sent to warn the Christians of their error of believing Jesus is God and the consequences of Hellfire.
@Muhammadzanon4 ай бұрын
Long live these two gems
@GBEL-f2u3 ай бұрын
And you believe that you read the Song of Songs in English. In your Bible. Do you really understand the meaning of the verse in a thousand-year-old fancy Hebrew? And this is of course one example out of thousands between English and biblical Hebrew.