MHMD [14] We now find a whole line of Jewish MHMDs; in fact, 5 of them!

In our previous episode Mel intimated that there was a chain of Muhammads in the 6th - 7th centuries, all of whom predated the Muhammad chosen by the Muslims as their prophet, suggesting that the later Muslims simply borrowed that name; but why, and for what reason?
To answer that, Mel, using A.J. Deus's research, takes a look at the chain of Jewish 'MHMDS', in fact specifically 5 of them; all of whom were Jewish Exilarchs (Jewish leaders for the Jews living in the diaspora at this time). They were all referred to as the MHMD (which in Hebrew meant the Messiah), including:
1) MARA ZUTRA II (d.520 AD) was known as the 30th Exilarch, who was crucified because he had rebelled against the Persians.
In 523 AD a rock inscription was created (see the picture in the video), written in Sabaic Arabic, by Yosef Dhu Nuwar. The inscription praises Mar Zutra II as the 'MHMD' (i.e. the Messiah) 3 years after his crucifixion, in recognition of his heroism due to his rebellion and subsequent death.
2) NEHEMIAH II (d.614 AD), was also known as 'Ben Hushiel', the 36th Exilarch, who was also referred to as the MHMD.
3) SALMAN AL-FARSI (d.640 AD), the brother of Nehemiah II was the 37th Exilarch.
4) YAKUB OF SYRIA (d.643 AD), whom some believe is the original Abu Bakr, the name then appropriated by the later Islamic Traditions for the first caliph after Muhammad.
5) HEMAN I (d.660 AD) was the 38th Exilarch, who was also referred to as 'Etheman', which, according to Mel, could have been the name the Abbasids borrowed for their 3rd caliph, Uthman.
All of these 5 Exilarchs were referred to in their time as 'MHMDs' (which was used to delineate the Messiah by the Jews).
This term was then borrowed by the Abbasids and, according to the Islamic Traditions (i.e. SINs), became their prophet Muhammad...Why?
The reason is that you would choose that which everyone already knows and is waiting for. Both the Jews and the Christians were waiting for the Messiah to return. His Arabic title in that place and at that time was MHMD.
By the mid 8th century the Abbasids are the new superpower of their time and place, and they needed a prophetic line to create an identity for themselves. So, they took the title everyone else knew, MHMD, and applied it to their own prophet, claiming the MHMD as their own, and as a fulfillment of both Judaism and Christianity.
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[@rahimbinselamat3233]

Thank you so much for your research, Mel and Dr Jay Smith! 👍

[@nancyhamilton5607]

I love you guys..You deal with the Truth. I just wish it was broadcasted live on TV....

[@williamgarayua5878]

Eventualy will happen and unstoppable: TRUTH DELIVERS

[@santhiramorgan8329]

Reminds me of what the Armenian Bishop Sabeos said. He mentions a Muhammad who insists on the Jews' right to the Holy Land.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Outstanding research Mel. Remove another brick from the wall.

[@MrDaftFunk]

Now there are five of them! It’s like a hydra!

[@RJ-fg8kw]

Now, we have a nice framework for all that very elaborate copy-pasting.

[@moodrust8590]

Did you all see how The Dizzle David Wood has made a new comedy video about how he loves Mhmd? He just created his own Dizzle version of the Mel-Jay-AlFadi historical approach.

[@simonhengle8316]

This certainly as promise, hats off to you Mel and AJ Deus

[@YECBIB]

The Narrative of Islam is insanity. ✝️

[@YECBIB]

In the Middle Ages, it was common for Jewish writers to describe Muhammad as ha-meshuggah ("the madman"), a term frequently used in the Bible for those who believe themselves to be prophets.

[@davidmcintosh3468]

Check out Hosea 9:6-9 Israel has a history of false prophets and messiahs (still, even today), then check out Deuteronomy 18:15-22 -- it will describe the politics of what happened in Israel (basically, Israelites who knew the Bible could identify Jesus Christ as the Messiah, but they didn't get any help from their leaders who were under condemnation, although you see Nicodemus reveals that at least some of the pharisees knew Who Jesus was...)

[@daronnemis3812]

Instead of continuing with this lie, try refuting the Quran and if it was revealed to a madman and not a prophet. Refute the points of knowledge and science in the Quran that were not established till a number of years ago. Your salvation and afterlife depend on it.

[@YECBIB]

@@daronnemis3812 haha....Muhammad is dead....Jesus isn't and His word lasts forever. Muhammad is in 🔥 if he ever really existed. ✝️

[@jamesmulvey1386]

Very interesting

[@gaius_enceladus]

"He's not the Messiah - he's a very naughty boy!" - Brian''s mum , in "The Life of Brian"

[@JavedIqbal-mp8bh]

God bless you

[@Email-mu1mv]

Previously we had to deal with only one MHMD now we have to worry about five of them. 😂😅

[@jdschauss]

Great video, brothers. To Jesus be all the glory!

[@TikkunUbuntu]

Mel lets not forget that 4) YAKUB OF SYRIA (d.643 AD) other names Yakub ben Shallum, Ka'b al-Ahbar, aakov was known as Ka'b Ibn Mati' Al-Himyari, also nicknamed Abu Ishaq, from the clan of Dhu Ru'ayn. So his father was Shallum but his mother came from the Dhu Ru-ayn, the Jewish rulers of Himyarite. Recall the first Jewish leader of Himyarite was married either to Shallum's/Nehemiah's sister or to their Father's sister and its said that Ali (who is likely of Asad or Kindi Medina Jewish background on his father's side, in other words from the Southern Himyarite sphere of power) - that either Ali's mother or Ali's grand mother was sister of Nehemiah-Shallum or that of their father, and Ali's grandfather was Asad bin Hashim. So it's clear the Abbasid, Shia side of Islam came out of the intermarriage of the Southern Arabian (Himyarite, Kindi, Assad) Bedouin with the Exilarchs and the Sunnis where the jews from the same region, but I suspect not of the direct Davidic bloodline. So the Abbasid/Shia Jews of Southern Arabia exalted their Exliarch cousins (through marriage to the daughters) to entrench themselves as the final rulers of the Arab Christians of North, Central and Southern Arabia. Mel, I am trying to figure out why you focus so much on the Exliarch's whose identities where just used by the real actors the Jewish of Arabia in the conflict between the Davidic and likely the known Davidic ones - when in fact the entire history of the Himyarites, Kindi and Assads are all written directly in objective Western, Arabian, Persian, Jewish and Ethiopian history and indirectly in Islamic history. I hope this lack of following the obvious lead is not a blind prejudice against the "Arab Jews/Arabized Jews" in this story because it does not read as well as a focus on the Exliarchs, who neither had an army nor where actual warriors. Its almost like how today Western intellectuals and religious leaders both for and against Israel continue viewing the conflict in the middle east through a len of European Jews and the right of the Israel state to exist, when the reality on the ground is that Israel is a wholly non-White or non European-Jewish state made up of majority Brown skin Jews from the Middle East and North Africa who are determined to stop living in fear as second class citizens in the land and region they have continuously lived in for 3000 years - these are the Brown Jews who did not follow the Himyarite, Kindi and Assad leaders who tapping into the exalted symbol of the Mahdi, Muhammad, Menachem of their Exliarch cousin's rallied Arab Christians to create Islam. Even the first recording of the use of Seyyid in Arabia was in the Kindi kingdom when the 2nd ruler of the Kindi state instead of using the title King, which he likely thought should only be used by the Himyarite King, instead used Seyyid, a title at that time considered to only apply to descendents of King David. So here was a Jewish kingdom of Arabs, in which the rulers also spoke Arab but where clearly Davidic rulers. His father would subsequently die in fighting the Lakhmid ruler who himself was married to the Seyyid's sister. So eve before the Exliarch's where put in place as rulers of Lakhmid, the al Qay/al-Mundhir/al-Nu'man ruling family where Jewish. So your hyper focus on the Exliarchs misses the larger point. The Al-Qays where part of the larger Southern Arabian Al-Kindi, Al-Assad, Dhu-Ru'ayan (Himyarite) Jewish ruling class. In fact there are also writings which argue that when the Lakhimid ruler was replaced by the Sassanids, the Exliarch's took over, but the kingdom was still ruled by the Lakhmid bureaucracy, which was again mostly Kindi and Assad, but actually mostly Assads since the Kindi king did try to overthrow the Al-Qays ruling class. And that the Prime Minister of the Exilarchs Lakhmid govenrment was none other than the man we now know as Ali (A member of the Assad, al-Qay southern Arabian tribes) and as he was connected to both the Sassanian Exliarch Davidic elites through his mother/or grandmother being married to his father or grandfather (Assad Hashim), and on his father side being from the same Southern Arabian clans as the ones who ruled Lakhmid, it was these Southern Arabian Jews who kick started everything.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

Where did you get your nonsense from?🥴🤣

[@murielpucoe9213]

So, where does all this history comr from no, because you could have mentioned it right in the beginning when this research started.

[@eromonsele1521]

I wanna learn more about the Himyar Arabs and where you got this information to learn about it. There was a guy from speakers corner back in the day that introduced to me the Arabs of Himyar (what is now today Yemen and Saudi Arabia) and it frustrated him how no one is looking into that. The very fact that there was an empire around there right next to them which Historians rarely mention is crazy as well because it was just as powerful as both the Sassanids and Byzantine empire (I'm talking about the Axumite Empire). He concluded the reason why it is not spoken off is due to racism that how can black people be involved in the production of islam. I mean if the sources are saying Muhammad fled to Ethiopia and spent two decades there surely it must tell you to investigate that region to see what was going on 🤷🏿

[@brawndothethirstmutilator9848]

@AlonzoHarris235, He has two sources: 1) Mhmad’s magic talking donkey, Yafour 🫏 2) Jibreel 👹, who choked him out just like he did to Mhmad.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 I have schooled you. You are hurt.🤣🫵🏼 Now you are trying to chase me in the comments for ‘revenge’.🤣 Have you been drinking the blood of the mangod?

[@mo_51_married_aisha_6]

Amazing how very little to nothing originated in Islam, or in the Quran. It's a copy and paste €uIt.

[@sirunikunushik7735]

Khadijah the first wife of Mohammad rasul-allah had an uncle name Nofel Varaghah. In the history of Mohammad's biography says that Nofel Varaghah was some sort of a christian and Mohammad rasul allah learned so much about Christianity from him.

[@SzTz100]

@@sirunikunushik7735 Most Arabs at the time were following some form of Christianity, I read somewhere that the Pagans only formed less than 10%.

[@123dsj123]

It would be great if Muslims would join in the search for Mohammed of Mecca in the 7th century. What are they afraid of? - That they may not find him at the time and place he supposedly lived?

[@ailove313]

They should find a sponsor, isn't Saudi Arabia rich for oil.

[@economician]

We Quranists are looking carefully at the research. Unfortunately the Inarah school has been so discredited academically that no one in the mainstream academia wants to touch this. However they do go full throttle against the hadiths which is quit satisfying for us quranists.

[@ailove313]

@@economician why would they credit someone who contribute to their downfall ?

[@economician]

I guess for the sake of truth and the temporary nature of this world. It is better to be last in this world and be the first in the next one.

[@davidmcintosh3468]

This is awesome history! You are not only tying this back to historical context and people, but you are revealing history that has been hidden (at least to the West) for many years.... It would make a wonderful history book/movie; Israel in Persia/Babylon... God bless you all!

[@loulasher]

Communism in Persia in 520 seems to need some explaining. I don't doubt it, but it seems like a heavy weight to drop in to all this.

[@schmuckpuppet4842]

I think they said that an exilarch was fighting against communism in Persia, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was some internecine disagreement. I read in E. Michael Jones' book that as far back as the 16th century in eastern Europe there were religious uprisings where people would march down the street holding up rainbow flags. These ideas come from the Talmud, and the Talmud comes from Babylon.

[@sirunikunushik7735]

Look at Persia Iran right now the country is 100% Islamic Sharia allah's law. communism and islam are siblings grew up in different orphanage.

[@drmaticviewer]

Look up Mazdak, he was pushing proto-cummunist ideas in Persia around that time.

[@SzTz100]

@@schmuckpuppet4842 ok, but this is 1000 years earlier.

[@schmuckpuppet4842]

@@SzTz100 The point is that communism is an idea, an ideology. That idea is very old and it has to do with a leadership on the one hand and on the other hand a sea of followers who are all equally worthless. That simple idea has a simple name: communism.

[@oluwatobiashade688]

Waooo... Significant finds.

[@julietabraham476]

Hope the Day is not far when it will come to Light Who the REAL Mohammad is ??? God bless you brethren and keep going...Ameen.

[@daronnemis3812]

I hope the day is near when we will know why the parents of some kids wanted to have an abortion but didn’t.

[@janlundberg416]

great video can the mongol invasion of Bagdag transformed this into the Islam of today?

[@IslamicOrigins]

I can't share link but if you look up Mazdak and communism you will see Iran had a form of communism long before that postulated by Marx and Engels.

[@arastusattarad6530]

Dear brother J, any update on sister Hatun

[@garybowings1538]

There are no "updates."

[@waiandmtoj1877]

This is off topic, but I have had some thoughts about how Islam was created which is really hard to embrace or understand. If I have understood correctly Uthman collected the written records they claim they had (but nobody knows if thats true) and rewrote it to become a standardized version of the Quran and then burnt everything they had collected. This raises a number of questions: 1. Did they have any written sources of their own? 2. Or was it written sources they copeid from? From what we are also told is that most of their sources was from oral traditions. I don't degrade oral traditions to Chinese Whispers, because most oral traditions usually keeps the gist of a story intact, dispite the fact it can evolve with few embelishments. Most oral speakers can tell a story quite well and keeping the gist of the story even though it may never be told perfectly verbatim from time to time. However to burn all things that was used to rewrite things to a standardised version makes things more difficult. 1. Did what they had written contradict each other that much to make it neccessary to harmonize the text to a standardised version? 2 Or was it text sources from others they used to rewrite their own version of old narratives. If there were contradictions in there own written sources it makes sense to burn all previous records. If they copied stories from other sources and rewrote it to suit their theology it also makes sense, why keep stories copied from to give a hint from what sources they created their own stories from. Telling that one has burnt everything opens a can of worms, it would be a perfect way to hide that you in fact had nothiing to begin with in terms of written sources, but with the claim it was burnt it looks as if you actually had something to work with. So to make the impression that you had things written down, the best thing would be to burn it and claim you have just rewritten the words to a common understanding of it all. The deeper we dig the closer to the truth we get.

[@Apachilles]

Following this thought through, who would be the most senior today to take the position of Exilarch?

[@AustinOKeeffe]

There is an inscription referring to Mar Zutra II as Mahmed but I didn't see evidence for the other four having the title Mahmed. Etheman is similar to Uthman but it could be a coincidence. For ET I'm not sure Latin would be used in that region that mainly used mainly Aramaic and Arabic.

[@jimihendrix991]

Communism in Persia in 520... Do Marx and Engels (and the Bernie Bros) know about this?

[@olivervandal8645]

Marxist theory is more or less saying that all history is a fight between lazy aristocrats and the plebs.

[@acheable]

Indeed fascinating to know the relationships within Islam and other religions. For many of us, we are just amazed that a sage like Confucius who was born 551yrs before the coming of Jesus Christ and yet no mention of his name in the Bible or Quran. Perhaps communication was difficult those times. But in this Internet era, yet to know who can command humans to stop any killings across the world

[@murielpucoe9213]

Because confucious was not religious???

[@RJ-fg8kw]

Good stuff. There are all these tidbits of information associated with each of these veiled characters mentioned. They Sunnis have veiled them one way, the Shi'a in another, the Alawites in their own way. In the Sunni Constitution of Faith, Umar is declared outright to be Allah while Uthman and Aisha are part of the triad, let's say. Ali takes the place of Umar with the Shi'as whereas Aisha is obviously not there. From memory, the Alawites describe Salman al-Farsi unveiled in their "triad" as "Al Bab" (The Door), another as "Al-Man'a" (The Meaning) in their "triad." It would be interesting to see how some tinier details may be tied to those exilarchs and their specific history and significance. A.J. Deus has already deduced for us a brilliant framework to build on to come up with some other deductions. He seems to have really unveiled what has been veiled from us and average Muslims.

[@FourApramanas]

Thank you, both, for this. I recall Joe/Yossi of erstwhile RedJudaism saying something similar. He suggested that these may have been Karaites (or similar, and so a different ‘branch’ of contemporary Judaism to modern Rabbinic Judaism). He also spoke of the term “ma’amad” or “mahamad”, which is a Jewish community council; the term for council-head is “Rosh Ma’amad/Mahamad”. According to Joe, in relation to the origins of Islam, the first “ma’amad” of relevance may have been that of Hani’ ibn Qabisah or Hanzala ibn Abi Amir who were, successively, Rosh Ma’amad of the Bakr people (بكر, “Bakr”, means “young camel”), who practised what Joe called _Ishmaelite_ Judaism at the beginning of the 7th century in the region that is now southern Iraq, and with whom the independent Arab state (Tachkastan, in northern Mesopotamia) and the Year of the Arabs began in the 620s. Ishmaelite Jews (named after their luminary Rabbi Ishmael, which I think implies that these were _not_ exclusively Karaite), were mostly descendants of Edomites and Biblical Ishmaelites. This form of Judaism could also be called Maḫamadan Judaism, after the term for the messianic “Angel of the Lord”. As Ishmaelite Jews, they would have ascribed their victory in battle against Persia to the Angel of the Lord, regarded also as their protector. Joe said that “followers of Maḫmed” may originally have referred to Ishmaelite Jews who followed this belief in an Angelic messiah and who, under their leader “Umar”, hoped for the Angel’s return if they conquered the Holy Land; he suggested that the name "Umar" might be a corruption of “Emir ibn al-Khittab”, the latter part meaning “son of the Scripture”, a common type of name among _Karaite_ Jews. This first leader of the independent Arab State may have presented himself as prophet of the Angel, and later came to believe in Jesus as messiah after meeting (Saint) Gabriel of Qartmin, a miaphysite Syriac Christian priest and bishop of Tur Abdin, that ontology of messiah more closely reflecting that of Judaic theology (as represented in Qabalah). Joe also said that Judeo-Arabic may have contributed to the original language of the Quran, along with Aramaic. Alas, I do not know his sources for this material.

[@yoshkebenstadapandora1181]

I though it has been known for some time that the oral law Talmudic offshoot of Old Testament Judaism after Christianity's birth, most likely the zealot sect, gave birth to the Islamic false religion. This is not new. But having several Jewish (likely zealots) leaders named Mohammed that might have given rise to this system is very interesting indeed. So when Islam conquered Jerusalem, was it really a different religion? Or was it just Zealotism rebirthed, and another unsuccessful attempt by the apostate Jews to restore their false temple sacrificial system?

[@chuckcoleman6502]

The Ahadith paint a very consistent portrait of a rasul allah. One of them says he is Qutham, the rhymer and riddler. This points to a later "prophet" who seems to have come from Iraq. The Khawarij in Iraq rebelled because the later followers of this "prophet" were not crazy enough. Interestingly, the Khawarij slogan "Justice is Allah's" appeared on coins from Persia (which then included Iraq) long before the Khawarij revolt. Is this early evidence of Qutham's influence?

[@garybowings1538]

"Alonzo Harris" believes in three gods.

[@morghe321]

Don't give him too much attention.

[@bobinindiana]

You flunked theology.

[@brettchristoffel6391]

Well it makes a lot of sense when you consider that they plagiarised then bastardirised the biblical text.

[@Nehemiaswall]

The inscription you cite has nothing to do with Mar Zutra II. In that Sabaic inscription known as JA 1028 mḥmd is a title of God. Christian Julien Robin notes in his edition ‘The spelling of the deity’s name Mḥmd seems identical to that of Islam’s prophet. One cannot be sure this identity is significant because the vocalization of these two names may differ (for example, Maḥmūd and Muḥammad). We know that some reformers were nicknamed after the deity they claimed to worship; this could also have been the case with Muḥammad (whom the Qurʾān also calls Aḥmad).”

[@HARRYibnNIKO]

interesting assumptions brothers. 👍all for the glory of God

[@dudeduderinoduderino9689]

Great work done...To "ME" muhummad is a title not a man.

[@murielpucoe9213]

Because his name was Qutham.

[@arastusattarad6530]

We have not seen her for months now

[@brucemills6558]

I consider the reason why the character of a man called Muhammad was created is simple - no such person existed. So if you redact back several hundred years in the creation of a persona with attributes, lifestyle and locations, no one was there, no artifacts or records exist for cross checking. Embedding that persona into a narrative with powerful religious connotations and create an environment of not questioning the persona who is almost a deity, then you are safe with your story. The only time there will be trouble with the 'Novel' is when it gets critically examined. I always had concerns that the further away from this character Muhammad you get in time, the more is 'revealed' about the persona! Weird that, hey ? I am not attacking Muslims but they need to deeply consider what Islam is really all about and why it exists at all.

[@mysotiras21]

Yep. Muhammad is like King Arthur in this respect. There was surely some British leader who was the basis of Arthur, but the Arthur of the legends is very much a mythical person.

[@amerbaum9302]

Well said good sir. And you're not attacking Islam - you're encouraging rational critique of a troubling ideology. The problem is that many in the West interpret critique as an attack on Muslims, and that has allowed for Western nations to be hijacked as we are seeing. We MUST insist on criticism of the ideology and make clear that it's not an attack on a people - many ethnicities follow the ideology, from Arabs to Indonesians, and therefore it is not in any way discrimination of an ethnic group. Let's keep up the critique and continue to ask the hard questions!

[@mysotiras21]

@@amerbaum9302 , exactly! Well-put.

[@pauljansentextor1788lx]

I think so too! Sounds logical to me!

[@roshlew6994]

Everyone should learn to differentiate between 'a messiah' (anointed) and 'the messiah'. There were many messiahs.. even things could be a messiah, but only Jesus is 'The Messiah'/Christ

[@melchiormapa3597]

So these five lines of Jewish Mohamads were regarded as Messiahs?

[@Canada3381]

So is Muhammad a Messianic term? Did this begin as a Messianic movement? But then they say Jesus is the Messiah....hmmmm.

[@mercster]

He-Man was MHMD??

[@caststagemysteries]

I'm interested in how Muhammed is dated about twenty years earlier than Muawiya, to make the great general a supplicant. Also to cover Muawiya becoming a tyrant during the second half of his reign.

[@dhrtiwalter8670]

Ok so give me the short version

[@AlonzoHarris235]

I will give you a summary. These two guys believe in three gods.

[@garybowings1538]

​@@AlonzoHarris235"I will give you a summary: 1. The Qur'an is uncreated. 2. The Qur'an is created." - Alonzo Harris

[@schmuckpuppet4842]

The name Mohammed refers to a title - not a person. The story about a person with that name was made up centuries later.

[@sislertx]

Short version islam is one big lie..surprise...lol

[@chrishoff402]

Could Kharajite also be where Quraysh is derived from? If true it would throw a real monkey wrench into the whole Israel/Iran conflict.

[@StanGraham1]

The modern dpellng is Kairaite and they are Jewush sect who take only the Tanakh as their authority, not either of the Talmuds or the Mishna.

[@preapple]

So in a way you are saying that the Rashidun were Jews. The Ummayads till Abd Al Malik were Christians!?

[@KotkotKatkot]

Do u believe that fun😂

[@PastorwithoutaPulpit]

The man, book, city if any of these are false so is their whole religion according to their own teaching. The man, (their false prophet if he ever existed), wasn't written about until 180+ years at the earliest after he supposedly lived. There are still 31+ different qurans that can be found and bought today teaching some 93,000+ significant doctrinal differences. The city itself simply does not exist in any of the trade route or historical records or on any early maps we have from that time period as there was no water supply there. If just one of their tenants are proven false none of them can be true. What do you call a three legged stool with no legs? Useless. Come home to Christ where we've faced all the critics and proven so many of their arguments false. Many a critic has been determined to disprove Christianity but found their faith instead, which is different from any other religion on earth...

[@hneemann]

stop calling the satanist "mhmd", his name was QUTHAM

[@britanikothegreat8513]

Who break the Law of God?!. Leviticus 5:17. Proverb 30:4?!. Isaiah 61:1-2?!. Isaiah 66:1?!. Isaiah 1:18. Hebreo 4:12.

[@tc7500]

Jesus Christ said that many false prophet will come after him, isn’t? ✝🙏🕎

[@AlonzoHarris235]

The false prophet Paul came after him.

[@garybowings1538]

​@@AlonzoHarris235"The false prophet "Muhammad" (URNBUH) came after him." - Alonzo Harris

[@ilonkastille2993]

They did and are still coming.

[@user-jt6or7lw5s]

They would have learnd from the biggest false Messiah of all

[@lemondays2321]

He was speaking about paul,jesus said the ctiteria to identtify a false prophet is that his prophcies wont come true,gues what Muhammadhs prophecies came true,nnot pauls tho

[@mauriciorosas8170]

We Need that All Our Brothers from MEast open-up to UNITY CONSCIOUSNESS....SEPARATION IS NO MORE....AND SO IT IS....

[@DeoNgalo-sb6lu]

Jews are always intelgent people they choose the name MHMD becouse they wanted to win political and social favours as they were leaving in diaspora.

[@louiesafi3116]

Allah the Pagan ☪ 'Moon-god' of Arabia.. ▪︎ Archaeologist & historian, Hugo Winckler, identified Hubal as an Arabian pagan 'moon-god', and claims that worship of Allah evolved from that of Hubal, thus making Allah a pagan "moon-god" too. (Robert Morey's 1994 book 'Moon-god in the Archeology of the Middle East'). ▪︎ Muhammad was born in Mecca 570 AD. into the Arabian pagan tribe of Quraysh and the clan of Hāshim, the custodians of the Pagan Kabba Shrine.. (Muhammad, Encyclopædia of Islam; Britannica; Wikipedia). ▪︎ Al-'Uzza, al-Lat and Manah were the three pagan daughters of Allah, supposedly the offspring of Allah's marriage to a Jinn, and had their sanctuaries in the Pagan Kabba Shrine, Mecca, which later became the birth place of Islam. (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). ▪︎ After Muhammad entered and conquered Mecca in 630, he destroyed the statue of Hubal from the Kaaba along with 360 idols of all the other pagan polytheistic gods including the idols representing Allah's 3 daughters. Moreover, Muhammad retained the pagan Allah, Kabba, Hajj, Jinn, Rituals and Blackstone etc. for his new religion, Islam. (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam; khanacademy.org).. ▪︎ In a weak moment Muhammad was tempted to recognize the 3 powerful deities Al-'Uzza, al-Lat and Manah of Mecca and make a compromise in their favour, but afterwards he retracted and the revelation is said to have received the form now found in the.. Quran 53:19-20. (Wikipedia) ...

[@AlonzoHarris235]

Yahweh is the Egyptian moongod.

[@garybowings1538]

​@@AlonzoHarris235" 'Isa' means 'Yah saves.' " - Alonzo Harris

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

The problem with a lot of this research is that it depends a lot on speculation. This kind of "evidence" cannot stand up in court. Building on a strong foundation never depends on speculation. Mystery religions depend on "because I say so". Good science depends on "prove all things".

[@mysotiras21]

This research is in its infancy. Just wait.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@@mysotiras21 - Right. It's going to take some solid connecting of the dots. That takes time.

[@mysotiras21]

@@GizmoFromPizmo , I agree. That is coming.

[@MuzziProud]

so muhemmed was a magic name the messiah predicted by jew not jesus but mehemmed

[@melkel2010]

So he was, is not and yet is?

[@user-wn8cp3qf1x]

Where is Hatun???!! Go and find her instead of splitting hairs about islam that have head nor tail for the audience coz you are jumping all over the place with each episode.

[@mysotiras21]

No one is forcing you to watch. Go out and get a life, instead of griping.

[@user-wn8cp3qf1x]

@@mysotiras21 I did not watch and it showed up in my recommendations. Besides that, what is wrong to worry about someone who hasn't seen publicly for months? You watched the whole thing and now you urge me to get a life? You really are a funny one,

[@mysotiras21]

@@user-wn8cp3qf1x , Jay has assured us several times that Hatun is okay. That is enough for most of us. Perhaps she has simply retired from public apologetics.

[@user-wn8cp3qf1x]

Contact was by email. He never saw her or even heard her voice.

[@mysotiras21]

@@user-wn8cp3qf1x , I hear from many of my friends solely by email or text. That doesn't mean that something bad has happened to them.

[@necmettinmutlu306]

Jay, you are wasting your time. You are not where you should be. You must now be in the position of reinterpreting the Quran. Being in any other situation is a complete waste of time.

[@MuzziProud]

he cant do that simply with new archeological finding quran use arabic old arabic and facts such no syriac or aramaic before arabic existed

[@mysotiras21]

Most of us disagree with you.

[@parvenderteotia8946]

Hi...everybody...mel and joe,you are guys are proving the links between Jews and muhamad and wants to established it but muhamad is not the person of 6th century like the Jesus of 1 st century.muhamad is the one of title of God Al Lah and Al Lah is the rasul of supream lord on earth.al maqqah god is the root of sabians faith...from whom they established his faith..and John the Baptist is last preacher of him...he went to meat the supream with Minda hiia like the muhamad potrate as Miraj.

[@ailove313]

Double check your spelling, capital letters and small letter and grammar.

[@parvenderteotia8946]

@@ailove313 dear ...spelling may be correct but the activism done by cunning peoples is destroying the humanity.....

[@ailove313]

@@parvenderteotia8946 why you need to correct it ? It is hard for us to read. You are making my brain hurt 🤕. If you can't correct the mistake you make yourself, why are you even thinking of saving the world ?

[@parvenderteotia8946]

@@ailove313 if you are unable to understand...please tell me.what comes in your mind?

[@ailove313]

@@parvenderteotia8946 of course I understand it but with obstacles and take times longer.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

This is funny. Mel is using AJ Deus. He is not even a historian or scholar. Let me share his thoughts on Jesus.🥴🤣 ‘I accept that Jesus did not exist in the first century and that his path may at times be shaped after Titus.’ 🤓

[@garybowings1538]

"The Qur'an was uncreated until one day it wasn't. 🤡 " - Alonzo Harris

[@morghe321]

Well, that is an ahistorical view on Jesus.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

@@morghe321 It’s based on the same ‘methodology’. 🤣 You are using him as your expert. This is what his findings are about your Jesus. It’s your problem. You have presented him as an expert and authority.🤥

[@garybowings1538]

​@@AlonzoHarris235"My Jesus is the Messiah and Word of God." - Alonzo Harris

[@ailove313]

I have reflected on myself and never spam about the "three gods" and "false history of prophet again" - Alonzo Harris

[@OttoNomicus]

The most obvious flaw in the Quran is one which Jay will never capitalize on, the fact that it identifies Jesus as the "Messiah", an entirely fictional idea. Was God lying when he said in Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior." and in Hosea 13:4 “Yet I am the Lord your God Ever since the land of Egypt, And you shall know no God but Me; For there is no savior besides Me." Did Jesus look hideous? Apparently Isaiah 53 wasn't talking about him then. There's only one Savior and his name is God, not Jesus.

[@jme1mm]

Tell me you don't understand the Trinity without telling me you don't understand the trinity.

[@User098n]

Is Allah Black Stone your savior?

[@johnathanmaweu5550]

You are a Muslim 😂

[@mysotiras21]

YAWN. Never studied Biblical exegesis, did you? What a load of gibberish.

[@AlonzoHarris235]

Jay Smith believes in three gods.

[@garybowings1538]

Harris wears panties. Why? To increase the odds that he'll receive a "revelation." And no puppies. Jibril doesn't like puppies.

[@ailove313]

You have misunderstanding about that.

[@gentz8310]

Alonzo's trolling as usual

[@jme1mm]

is Mary one of them? after all the Quran claims mary is part of the Trinity. Another absurd claim from the most obvious false prophet in history.

[@MU-we8hz]

1924 quran 😂😂😂

[@daronnemis3812]

This comment section should be called” have aliens interfered with Jews”.

[@daronnemis3812]

This comment section should be called” why people have abortions”

[@daronnemis3812]

Instead of beating around the bush, the Quran is there for all to see. Refute the points of knowledge in it that no man knew until now with advanced technology. Your salvation and afterlife depend on it. Another question after reading this comment section....“ did someone’s parent have a relationship with a goat and not have an abortion”.

[@IslamicOrigins]

The Quran is so unimpressive it puts most people to sleep trying to read it.

[@visualarchives7937]

the name comes before islam or even judiasim for that matter its an arabic name it only become popular for the prophet. relegion aside these are all oral accounts of two thousand years ago and if your familar with propaganda techniqes you wouldnt count that much on oral tradition as for now the only piece of any of those jewist profits is a stone with a dirivitive of the name david written on it ,,,,,so yeah ... not pyramids nor colosiums