AUDEMARS PIGUET Royal Oak Selfwinding & ZENITH Defy Skyline. Make up your own mind!

#AudemarsPiguetRoyalOak #ZenithDefySkyline ‪@audemarspiguet‬ ‪@zenithwatches‬ Comparing the Audemars Piguet Royal Oak with the just released Zenith Defy Skyline, and the other way round, is not an easy task. There are many more differences than you may be imagining at first glance. Yes, there is an apparent similarity, but if you dig a little deeper more and more differences emerge. If you are a fanboy of Audemars Piguet or Zenith I can tell you that there is no winner or looser. Instead, I provide you with facts so that you can make up your own minds. Enjoy the video and use the comment section to share your opinion with us and/or to ask me questions.
#ZenithDefy #RoyalOak #DefySkyline
AUDEMARS PIGUET ROYAL Oak Selfwinding Ref. 15500ST. OO.1220ST.01
MATERIAL Steel
SIZE 41 mm
THICKNESS 10.4 mm
WATER RESISTANCE 50 m
DIAL Blue dial with “Grande Tapisserie” pattern, white gold applied hour-markers and Royal Oak hands with luminescent coating.
BRACELET Stainless steel bracelet with AP folding clasp.
CALIBRE 4302
FUNCTIONS
Hours, minutes, centre seconds and date.
MECHANISM Selfwinding
TOTAL DIAMETER 32 mm
FREQUENCY 28,800 A/h (= 4 Hz)
NUMBER OF JEWELS 32
POWER RESERVE 70 hours
NUMBER OF PARTS 257
PRICE 24,300 Euro including VAT
ZENITH Defy Skyline Ref. 03.9300.3620/51.I001
MOVEMENT El Primero
COMPONENTS 228
FREQUENCY 36,000 A/h ( = 5 Hz)
POWER RESERVE approx. 60 hours
Hours and minutes in the centre Date indication at 3 o'clock
1/10th of a second indication at 9 o'clock
MATERIAL Steel
DIAMETER 41 mm
THICKNESS 11,6 mm
WATER RESISTANCE 10 ATM
DIAL Blue-toned sunray-patterned
STRAP Stainless steel bracelet + Blue Rubber with starry sky pattern
CLASP Stainless steel folding clasp
PRICE 8300 Euro including VAT

[@WatchAdvisor]

Please do also read the description of this video. You will additional information and the prices of the watches. I am looking forward reading your comments and answering your questions. Please refrain from any bashing, I will immediately delete such comments and block the one who wrote it.

[@horacephistbump4867]

Great video, as always, Alexander. I have a question for you. Do you know when Zenith will release the chronograph version of the Skyline?

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@horacephistbump4867 I have no confirmation for this right now, but I am sure a Skyline chronograph will follow…

[@alexandrefvrt1052]

I've been wearing my Zenith Defy Skyline for five months now and I'm crazy in love with it. My Daily is the Explorer, but as soon as I put the Zenith back on my wrist, it's just... Wow! The feeling it gives on the wrist is incredible! I love this manufacture, it is a brand intended for enthusiasts - connoisseurs.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing! May your watches continue to always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours…

[@richardtan322]

If you want unbiased reviews, this is the channel to go to. Awesome video Alexander, it clearly shows you appreciate the watches and not the hype. Zenith for me, stunning watch.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Love your comment! I feel flattered… Thank you very much!!!

[@NeroDento]

I have had the worst AP experience ever. I wanted AP watch, went to the boutique, ordered one (they had literarly 0 watches to sell in boutique), payed 30 000 upfront and was promised my watch in 3-4 months. 10 months later I still did not get the watch, every employee I spoke to (phone or in person) was acting arogant and with no interest when I asked (not complained) about the delay. Had to get lawyers involved, because when I requested money back after 10 months they refused. Long story short, I was walking the same street as the AP in Prague has its boutique and I got myself Breitling Superocean, Zenith Defy, and Rolex Daytona for less, than AP I wanted. Never going to AP ever again.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Well, I have no words... Thanks for sharing! Pride goes before a fall! How stupid and foolish is this kind of behaviour?

[@andyvu8513]

I called an AP boutique and they had such an arrogant and snobby attitude.

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@andyvu8513 You are not the first one to state this! Just stay relaxed and enjoy other watches …

[@harg8939]

To be fair, my enquirer email was responded with no hint of arrogance from AP Boutique LA and I am not a local.

[@connor7162]

That’s so funny you practically bought my entire collection 😂I have breitling, zenith and Rolex (superocean, defy extreme, datejust) just with different models

[@echolocation2324]

I am picking up a brand new unworn defy, with the blue dial tomorrow from a private seller here in Dubai for a very very good price. I found this review just to be sure I'm buying a quality timepiece. Thank you for the breakdown it's super in depth and helpful. You absolutely sold me on my decision . The defy is absolutely gorgeous, the 10 second counter is still something of a anomaly to me but I guess that's a feature that makes this a very special piece.

[@mr.t8369]

Alexander, firstly, thank you so much for time and effort on these presentations. You are one of the best timepiece channels out there by far! I actually just picked up a blue dial 15300. I have yet to receive it and hope it is everything I imagine it to be. The Zenith Defy line is amazing! I may pick up the opaline dial with the green rubber strap. Thanks again!

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us! Thanks for the amazing feedback! Good choices… How long do you have to wait for it? Please keep us posted…

[@xtrvette4412]

I swear Alexander is God status when reviewing watches unbiased! I love how he does not agree with paying gray market prices, I respect that. Thank you Alexander for your awesome videos.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Love your comment! Thanks 🙏🏻 for sharing !

[@chitsoi4518]

Zenith is definitely the way to go if you are watch fan, AP is nice as show off but not worth the stress (money/wait). Thx for vid!!!

[@WatchAdvisor]

I hear and fully understand you! Thanks for sharing…

[@gannicus8228]

I absolutely love your videos. I think the Zenith is the perfect watch for me. I love everything about it. Great value for the money.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion! Did you try it already? If not... you should... Please keep us posted!

[@christianebert8086]

Hi Alexander, Great Video as always - AP I cannot afford at all, just dreaming. With Zenith it should be for me first the El Primero with the Chrono in Orginal size of 38 mm - the history of Charles Vermot saving the tools, dials and design drawings of the El Primero Caliber in the seventies is so wonderful and thrilling - history at the wirst. But first saving money - quite difficult nowadays. I am enjoying the Tissot PRX Powermatic 80, blue dial - just some 650 Euros and terrific looking like the ones you are presenting here. And also Swiss Made - so, Bravo Tissot!

[@WatchAdvisor]

I keep my fingers crossed 🤞🏻 for you! Thanks for sharing your passion with us…. And yes, the PRX is a very good watch… value for money 😉

[@Eddym-vy2xb]

Very impressed to you Mr Alexander for reviewing these 2 watchers. I do have this AP . Loved it very much. From Malaysia.👍👍👍👍

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion! Any thoughts? May your AP continue to always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours 😉

[@horstweihrauch1]

Danke, dass du immer so gute Eindrücke von interessanten Uhren, wie hier zB der Zenith, in deinen Videos vermittelst🤗

[@WatchAdvisor]

Ist mir eine Freude! Danke für Dein nettes Feedback! Was hältst Du von den Beiden?

[@LP-ld1pc]

Great video Alexander! I am very interested in the Zenith actually. I will try one in the next weeks🙂

[@WatchAdvisor]

I am happy to read this! Please share some thoughts with us once you saw the Zenith in real…

[@SchuenemannTraining]

Wie immer grandios! Uhren perfekt in Szene gesetzt.👍

[@WatchAdvisor]

Danke fürs nette Feedback! 🙌🏻

[@craigcarter9859]

First time viewer. Very good introduction to both watches. I really like your view on the minute and hour hands. Like to hear more on things that impress you from an expert viewpoint. Thank you.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Welcome aboard! Thanks for sharing our passion!

[@BHNEOH]

I really appreciate and enjoy your review. In my opinion, the Skyline is the best integrated bracket in its category, and there are at least 26 different type of such integrated bracelet watches across all price categories. If the AP Royal Oak is the benchmark, then Zenith Skyline can offer its owner 90%-95% of the satisfaction and enjoyment, without being subjected to the law of diminishing returns. If someone has to pay 100k to achieve the 100%, then he/she clearly has different priorities in life. No doubt, at retail price, anyone here would buy the AP if available to him/her. Life is too short to only wait for "perfection". And speaking of "perfection ", I noticed that the screws at the case back of the AP does not line up like those on its bezel. Lastly, the date change at 12 is something I appreciate very much too. Cheers Alexander, and looking forward to your next review.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback! I hear and understand you! What you write makes sense to me…

[@Guenounovitch]

Always a pleasure seeing a new video from Alexander. 🙌 even when i don’t like the watches he makes it interesting

[@WatchAdvisor]

Love your comment! Thanks for sharing!

[@WedgeJames1]

Thanks so much for the detailed comparison and setting this particular historical record straight ;) Both watches have fantastic features and I’m glad this look of defy is made larger now, I’ll have to give it a try. Were you able to compare accuracy at all? I remember the zenith ran +1-5s. With so much debate and criticism of modern APs timekeeping I’ve all but written them off ad overpriced objects d’art but I’d love to stand corrected here. Perhaps this is covered elsewhere? Tx

[@deeseeeit]

I’m proud owner of the Skyline and can confirm the high quality, features like the 10 second hand, additional rubber bracelet or dial. Of course the AP snobs are unhappy to see such a great brand as Zenith offering high quality products for a fair price and (on very top) a better availability than AP. So why should i care about AP RO if i don’t want to spend 3x more and basically can not get it?

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion and your thoughts with us!

[@time-out372]

Hallo Alex schöner Vergleich der beiden Uhren. Für den Grau-Preis der AP kaufe ich mir einen gebrauchten 911er und die Zenith dazu da hab ich noch mehr Spaß.....

[@WatchAdvisor]

Hahaha 😝 … der ist gut! Bravo 🙌🏻! Danke für Dein Feedback!

[@a.pf.1335]

Vielen Dank wieder einmal großartiges Video

[@WatchAdvisor]

Immer… gerne! Danke fürs Feedback!

[@Pulsonar]

I like this guys videos, his English is not mother tongue but it’s very clear, laid back, fully comprehensive, and excellently communicated. The man even tells you that the gunmetal colour stylus pointer he uses to indicate details is plastic so harmless to the watch metal 😂

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion and your super kind feedback! Happy New Year 🎆!

[@willbrink]

The AP is wildly over priced on the secondary market any way you look at it, and borderline for me at MSRP. The Zenith is one of the most underrated watches that exist. I have the Zenith Defy Skyline and it's top tier quality for a fair price for such quality. I hope Zeneth remains underappreciated as it keeps the prices down!

[@WatchAdvisor]

Love your comment, I couldn’t agree more… thanks for sharing…

[@willbrink]

@@WatchAdvisor PS, I appreciate that you pointed out who did an "homage" to who there as Zenith had their watch several years before AP. Annoying when people say Zenith "copied" AP. Nope...

[@AcmeRocket]

Both are beautiful! Great comparison!

[@WatchAdvisor]

Sold for official retail price one can buy both without any regret…

[@Milofchg]

Great insight on both timepieces!!! Thank you. Obviously if available at retail I’ll take the AP Royal Oak. However, a Zenith is bang per buck for what it offers. The AP movement is beautifully decorated yes, but it will be expensive to service. You can’t wear an AP as a daily beater. The Zenith movement has a basic finishing, but the movement is robust and accurate. Zenith’s strength is in its movements. Enthusiasts buy Zenith for the reliability history heritage. It’s a watch for watch nerds that know Horology. The Royal Oak is for a well to do sporty guy that likes a high end sports watch when he doesn’t want to wear his Patek Philippe watches. It’s a haute Horology weekend watch. It’s perfect for a Monaco lifestyle. To be honest I would take both in a black dial if it didn’t have a date…. and if I had the money for both. For now I’m ok with my Rolex Explorer 36mm Speedy Pro, & JLC Reverso mono face large small seconds. My perfect 3 piece combo meal deal.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion! Interesting read… “It’s perfect for a Monaco lifestyle” 🤣👍🏻😆 May your JLC, Omega and Rolex (in alphabetical order) always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours…

[@AnonZero0]

*Well done--thank you!*

[@WatchAdvisor]

You are very welcome 🙏🏻 Which one would you choose independent from costs?

[@RickyRicon2023]

Great Video, Great work ! thanks Alexander !!

[@WatchAdvisor]

You are welcome 🙏🏻 Thanks for sharing our passion…

[@nathanleezheyu]

For me, watch decisions are emotional (and sometimes irrational). I think the finishing in the royal oak justifies the retail price but I will pick zenith mainly because of the fun 10 second sub dial which makes it more interesting.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Buying a watch should always be driven by emotions and never by ratio… BRAVO! Thanks for sharing our passion!

[@David-io8xi]

Finally, a proper review between these two watches. Accurate history, unbiased, quality.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback! Which one would you choose?

[@David-io8xi]

@@WatchAdvisor The Zenith as overall it makes more realistic sense

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@David-io8xi I fully agree! I gifted me the Zenith Skyline with the blue dial last Christmas … IMHO it is impossible to wear a RO today without provoking and attracting jealous and nasty looks… the same applies for certain Rolex models too by the way…

[@nomopuja73]

Very nice and exaustive review. Thank you

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback!

[@ray-helmutseven]

Thanks for all the details and the objective clear review. Very much appreciated. Would be great to see the GP laureato (which has 100% the Zenith bracelet) and the Chopard Alpine Eagle. Thanks, Alexander. Strong video.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion! If you provide me all of them the same time I will do that review… the most difficult thing for us is to allocate the watches and get them for a review…

[@flatearthbear4077]

I must agree with your assessment Alexander that the current lack of availability at dealers and the gray market pricing is absolutely ridiculous ! While I do not pretend to know the intricacies of the present situation, paying other than retail pricing for a mass production time piece is not an option for a working man like myself. I do hope that AP and Rolex get their house in order and their dealers in line for the sake of their own integrity if for nothing else. The Zenith is a beautiful time piece and at 1/10 the price of an AP-RO, one would be hard pressed to find greater value. Thank you for the review Alexander as always !

[@WatchAdvisor]

You are a passionate guy! Thanks for sharing these lines with us. I love them!

[@davidc5191]

I'm glad to see Zenith is now making movements with hacking seconds. I have an older El Primero which doesn't have it.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Yes, this changed with the new “El Primero” 3600 chronograph calibre…

[@marctravismba]

I"ve owned both of these watches (15400 RO and Black Zenith Skyline) and the RO is unquestionably the better watch. The finishing on the case and dial, and movement decoration alone make it a better watch. However, given current prices, the marginal gains you get from the RO aren't worth the inflated prices. Plus, I think the Zenith seconds hand (although admittedly useless) is a pretty cool element that gives the Zenith its own unique twist on the overall Genta-esque design.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and our passion! Unfortunately AP - and some other brands - have been and still are artificially hyped. That reduces these watches to pure speculation objects. Watchmaking/beauty/craftmanship/etc. has no more meaning, it is all about filthy lucre... What a shame!!!

[@trcs3079]

AP starting at 50k+ vs a zenith worth 10k. I'd imagine with a watch that's 5 times the value, I hope it IS better than the zenith haha

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@trcs3079 It can’t be five times better though… AP is artificially hyped, shortages are created and many watches directly go to the parallel-market to be sold there for an overprice. In four words: it is greedy business! At regular, official prices the difference in between the two watches can be argued, but not these fantasy prices…. No way!

[@muriloninja]

@@trcs3079 You would think but so many watches live off hype with AP being amongst them. Hands down Richard Mille takes the crown for artificial BS hype!

[@jimsturt]

The watch in the video is the 15500. I owned the 15400 as well and let's just say reliability was not a top priority for AP in designing the 3120 movement - I tell people to buy a Rolex also that you can wear while your AP is getting serviced. 😂😂

[@Osrona]

Dear Alexander, again what a nice and interesting review. I would clearly go with the Zenith as for me it is never only worth one third of the AP`s price....not considering what is going on in the grey market. Danke Dir und noch einen schönen Tag !

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback! Good choice! The AP on the grey market is clearly overpriced… only a complete idiot will buy it for these prices…

[@mattys1467]

Great comparison. For me I just think Zenith have taken a truly iconic watch and design and made it better. But as you say, it is all subjective. I will definitely be looking to add the Zenith to the collection at some point 👌

[@WatchAdvisor]

Zenith created a steel sport watch in 1969, three years earlier than AP… the design evolved since and will continue to do so… Thanks 🙏🏻 for your kind feedback!

[@WatchAdvisor]

Zenith created a steel sport watch in 1969, three years earlier than AP… the design evolved since and will continue to do so… Thanks 🙏🏻 for your kind feedback!

[@watchguy8537]

Another great video! Objective, balanced and free of bias. And I definitely agree with your comment… I would the AP if offered at a boutique but would never insane gray market prices. I would rather buy the Zenith and spend the difference on something else!

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks 🙏🏻 for sharing your thoughts with us and your kind feedback. Buying any of these artificially hyped watches and therewith supporting this greedy business is stupid… just don’t do it! Every watch has an official list price and this is what one has to pay…

[@f.r.cofresi3497]

Great video, as always. I just tried on an AP, and to tell you the truth, I was not impressed with the watch's comfort level, but I have to say the exquisite finishing of the watch is impressive. I really think the majority of the people wearing AP are for the status. It will be interesting to see if these watches were really available in the AD how popular they really will be. After been wearing my Rolex watches, I have fallen in love again with my Omega 2255.80 Seamaster; what a fantastic design, and that blue electric dial are mesmerizing. One piece of advice to all the new people of this hobby, buy what you like and don't follow the media trend. When are you reviewing the new line of Panerai Quaranta? With all this craziness in some watch brands, I decided to pay attention to other brands. Take care.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Interesting read! Thanks for sharing… It is very true what you write… interesting, very interesting indeed… I can feel your passion… this is how it should be… buy/collect emotional and not rational…

[@bradhepditch7605]

Great review 👏

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion! Any thoughts about the AP & Zenith?

[@adrianobanak2824]

''AP fan boys''...i love it🤣 I am not an AP fan boy, nor Zenith fan boy....i'm Omega and H.Moser fan boy😬 So i can (from neutral point of view) say that Zenith made a fantastic job with this watch! So good that i am considering to buy it. AP Royal Oak is legendary watch and it's great, but i don't see that this Zenith Defy Skyline is a lesser watch in any regard except the finishing on the movement and gold rotor.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing your passion and thoughts with us! Please keep us posted….

[@shawnmacvane2888]

Great video Alexander (as always), very informative comparison!

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thank you very much! Any thoughts 💭?

[@shawnmacvane2888]

@@WatchAdvisor Both are spectacular pieces. The affordability and functionality of the strap change would tip me in the direction of the Zenith!

[@lucachinellato5936]

Fantastic video.🔝🔝

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thank you very much!

[@Ossory88]

Great video as usual.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thank you very much!

[@Alexpress81]

honestly, if i knew nothing about watches and was told that Zenith is $30k and AP is $8k, I wouldn't dispute it. But I guess it goes for a lots of other brands comparing

[@WatchAdvisor]

Of course there are differences... but a lot is also positioning and marketing... Do not forget we are talking about luxury objects ... for the latter other rules apply...

[@m4jqp]

The AP's bezel screw head's philips slot being tangental to the watch face is a nice little detail.

[@WatchAdvisor]

An essential part of its design/DNA…

[@martinsailer874]

zwei tolle Uhren mit langer Historie vom Modell und von der Manufaktur. Der Vorteil der Zenith ist der Preis ohne Hype und damit erschwinglicher. Sehr schönes Video um die beiden Uhren zu vergleichen 😊👍🏻👍🏻

[@WatchAdvisor]

Danke für Dein nettes Feedback! Dieser künstlich geschaffene Hype rund um AP nervt. Jeder der so ein Teil zu einem überhöhten Preis kauft unterstützt diese gierigen und skrupellosen Graumarkthändler und die ganze Maschinerie die dahinter steckt …

[@short_macchiato3222]

Value for money - Zenith hands down. If I had money to burn, then yes I would go AP. Excellent video Alexander.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thank you! No one should buy a watch for these silly overprices… Every watch has an official list price and this is what you pay… the rest is artificial created, greedy business… just disgusting!

[@short_macchiato3222]

@@WatchAdvisor Spot on Alexander. Great videos and great channel - my favourite

[@phill5816]

If rappers never rapped about wearing an AP people would probably look at it and say, Meh. The dial is fairly basic IMO. The Zenith is the smart buy if you dont care about flexing or signalling your wealth to people. Objectively there's a better finish to the AP but is it worth 3X more. No way. Id buy the VC Overseas every day of the week and you get over 260yrs of pedigree with that purchase. It a no brainer. Be good to see an AP v Overseas comparison. Great video.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us! Thanks for the kind feedback!

[@longlivemetal1997]

I like the Zenith more. Buy what you like that’s all I can say :) good review Alexander!

[@WatchAdvisor]

Yes! This is what everyone should do… buy emotional and never rational…

[@pierr97430]

Both are great, and very similar in many ways .. so I can’t really understand the price of the RO 😐 +1 👍🏼 for your French accent 😅

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thank you very much! The official list prices or the fantasy prices asked in the grey/parallel markets?

[@waterfordrs22]

If I had a Holy Trinity wallet, I would likely go with an Overseas or 222 over a Royal Oak. Coming back down to earth, I find this Zenith cleaner and better proportioned than the AP featured. Sometimes less is more and while it has less going on aesthetically, it’s a good looking clean watch. I would think anyone considering the new IWC Ingenieur would do themselves a favor by looking through this collection from Zenith. I’m a bit biased by owning an A385, but Zenith really did a nice job here.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us!

[@Giovan_Nino]

Top notch comparison thanks Alexander..although I’m not a fan of either watch I’d like try them on. I think that I would have to stop the the small second hand spinning around so quickly..

[@WatchAdvisor]

Once you tried them please share some thoughts with us… One remark: you quickly get used to the small second of Zenith… once done you don’t want to miss it anymore

[@Wassimzaarour]

Great review! I’m not sure if i missed it but did you talk about the dial color? Zenith did it much better in my opinion. Even the over all dial esthetic on the Defy is better. Also i love how the Zenith wears on your wrist! At least you could actually buy it at retail!

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion! No, I did not talk about the dial color… it is so subjective… tastes are different…

[@user-vq9nx9jf5n]

I will stick with Zenith Skyline!

[@WatchAdvisor]

Good choice 👍🏼

[@BlagoP]

Absolutely agree on the seconds, minute and hour hands. They have to touch the markers. Especially the seconds hand, nothing is worse than a short seconds hands. Also, a 50m water resistance for a watch at this price and this category is unacceptable, should be at least 100m.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us!

[@kobateman]

Erstmal danke für diesen schönen Vergleich!!!! Und das Detail mit den Zeigern hat mich sehr erfreut!!!!du hast 1000% recht es darf nicht zu kurz oder zu lang sein! Zenith hat das perfekt gemacht und es ist sooo wichtig 😂👌 schön !

[@WatchAdvisor]

“Abgebissene” Zeiger mag ich einfach nicht. Das hat mit AP nix zu tun. Das ist so wie mit den Chronographen wo die Teilchenstricheeinteilung zwischen den Sekundenstrichen nicht stimmt. Die “Daytona” und fast alle Patek Philippe sind so ein Fall…

[@kaypee1972]

The Zenith hectic seconds hand would make me too nervous.

[@lonewolfemcquade8133]

@Prof. George C. Grasser I doubt that. Your really comparing a Glycine to a Royal oak and a Zenith. There's a reason there is a massive difference in the prices. No one can be that delusional. Comparing $400 watches to titans in the watch industry. What's next comparing a Patek Philippe to a Orient

[@spryken7679]

I do feel the same, that seconds hand is making the watch so busy 😅

[@lukerabin5079]

I get that AP is an important brand, but I’m a huge fan of Zenith and it’s place in the history of great watches.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Audemars Piguet has a fascinating history and is a great brand - yes! But since it go so hyped at least for me it got less interesting… What I especially hate that no watches are available in a boutique, but all of them for absolutely crazy prices on the grey/parallel market… everybody knows that this is artificial created, greedy business…

[@anthony90123]

I tried on the defy skyline and was quite impressed overall. The problem for a poor man like me is that I probably could only afford one Zenith and it seems more appropriate to buy a one with a chronograph function given how iconic its chronograph is….

[@WatchAdvisor]

Please don’t say “poor man”! What is rich or poor? You are emotional and passionate that is what counts!! Choose wisely, watch our other Zenith videos and let me know if you have any questions…

[@kukaki5845]

OMG. This Zenith is just Crazy ! Way better than the AP.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us!

[@garyboyle695]

Seems to be a lot of people commenting who don't seem to have watched the actual video or huge AP fans who can't acknowledge that the AP seems to have been influenced by the earlier Zenith.

[@WatchAdvisor]

True! That’s sad… people show no interest in the video … but still share their two cents… Thanks 🙏🏻 for sharing our passion!

[@stellauniversal]

The ability to influence people without irritating them is the most profitable skill you can learn. He who influences the thought of his times, influences all the times that follow. He has made his impress on eternity.

[@garyboyle695]

@@WatchAdvisor I'm just glad that there are people like you out there sharing their knowledge. I always look forward to your posts.

[@garyboyle695]

@@stellauniversal unfortunately that is not always a positive thing.

[@Porchia87]

Thank you alot for the Video..i saw before a few days the Skyline on somebodys wrist and was impressed ... Will you also Show the 36mm Version of? Your Videos are fantastic and I am thinking seriously about the pistachio green skyline and want to see if its more pastel or metallic the color....otherwise the green aqua terra or green Mark xx...

[@WatchAdvisor]

No actual plans in the moment to show these watches... All focus is now on the new watches 2023...

[@Porchia87]

@@WatchAdvisor thx for zur Quick reply. Will there be any affordable slim watch under 10000€ maybe in mint green or turquoise or ice blue? 😂

[@WatchAdvisor]

Not seen one so far…

[@JAW114]

Anyone who hasn’t had a chance to put one of these on your wrist you’re missing out! Photos truly don’t do it justice. The problem is in person I like all three colors equally… but will probably spring for the white/silver because it’s the most versatile.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Photos wouldn’t show very much, yes… our videos though do already give a good impression what to expect… But the final “choice” must be done by personally experiencing the watches on the wrist in different light conditions… only then you will know…

[@affegorilla1299]

all the way zenith!:)

[@WatchAdvisor]

Which color dial would you choose and how would you wear it? Bracelet or strap?

[@affegorilla1299]

@@WatchAdvisor white dial with a rubber or nato strap for me🤩

[@emanuelec8763]

As much as I love RO(never understood why), the new prices and time delivery make the Zenith a best buy for its price. Nice comparison. Thank you

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us!

[@watchlover8297]

Great review, I'm looking to try the Zenith on soon. Its interesting that the AP pulls hairs but the Zenith doesnt so a plus for me. The movement finishing is a clear win for AP, its a pity that Zenith didnt spend a bit more and finish their movement better as it doesnt look pretty imho. The basic machine finishing wouldn't put me off owning one. I've warmed a little to that pointless 10 second dial but it does attract my eye in a way I dont like. I'm wondering about getting the watch and having someone remove the hand its that distracting. Hopefully seeing it for real it won't be as annoying as I find it now. A central second would of knocked the Zenith out of the park. Great review though.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing our passion! Best to do is to try inbox your wrist… that little second IMHO is cool… when wearing the Zenith for some days whilst taping the detailed review I did earlier this year (did you watch the video yet?) I literally got addicted to it… Give it a try! Taking away that little hand is not an option…

[@watchlover8297]

@@WatchAdvisor Yes I have seen your other Zenith video, thats how I found this latest one. Great review.

[@P0werCore]

Brilliant review Alexander 👍 I love the Zenith and have always been a big fan.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Good value for money I would say…

[@P0werCore]

@@WatchAdvisor definitely

[@p.9608]

Both are good.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Of course they are… One just plays in another league… the question is: is the one almost three times better than the other…

[@AICH810]

Alexander you are the best reviewer of watches in youtube… thank you for your effort and cant wait for next video. may i suggest 2 watches for Future Reviews: 1- Grand Seiko SLGA007 (some say it rivals patek phillipe in terms of finishing and mechanism) 2- Hublot Big Bang Unico (Is the hate really justified for such brand!?) Regards

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for your super kind feedback! I feel flattered… I will take your suggestions under consideration…

[@deec8069]

Nice video, appreciate the reviews. However, i suggest you use a jewellers tray next time, that Zenith rubbing against the table when you were describing the quick release rubber strap was pretty painful to watch. I’d be pissed if that was mine….haha

[@WatchAdvisor]

It is a plastic surface on that table and plastic can NOT scratch/harm a stainless steel surface. So why worry? Why do I not use a tray? It simply looks horrible! The less disturbs the view on the watches the better it is... I have tried it and I know why I am not using one...

[@deec8069]

@@WatchAdvisor just a suggestion mate, no need to be so defensive. Do what you like. Lol

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@deec8069 No defense… I explained… that’s all… I hope you still enjoy our videos… 😉

[@KAL-589]

I'll buy the Zenith first. And once XRP hits more than 20 EUR, I'll buy the AP.

[@colmcasey6596]

How did that go? 🫤

[@KAL-589]

@@colmcasey6596 This is the year ;-)

[@watchlover8297]

Glad Jurgen Klopp is doing watch reviews as well.

[@WatchAdvisor]

???????

[@lovejungkook7850]

🤣

[@gilbertombp]

Zenith's subdial placement intrigues me a lot...

[@WatchAdvisor]

Would “six o’clock” have been better?

[@gilbertombp]

@@WatchAdvisor I wouldn't change it. It makes the Zenith design unique, plus it works out in terms of dial balance.

[@nickolasmazzara127]

I think I prefer the older Defy Classic (blue dial) to both of the watches shown in today’s vid.

[@WatchAdvisor]

The fade-out of the Defy Classic has started… the Skyline will replace it…

[@jerrywallop5647]

Loving the AP guys spitting their dummies out…….😹😹

[@WatchAdvisor]

🤣🤣🤣

[@duketogo666]

Zenith need to release the 36mm Defy "Midnight" series, in a masculine colour (Black, Blue) ... without diamonds. Do it!

[@WatchAdvisor]

Is an interesting idea! Just figuring out how that watch would look like..

[@lesgillard985]

Alexander both watches are interesting but the AP is not a watch I would wear the price is too high. The Zenith is more appealing as it offers either straps, bracelet and possibly a NATO (?). The Omega Constilation blue 41 mm you reviewed previously would also be considered.😃 When the waters subside .

[@WatchAdvisor]

NATO will for technical reasons not work with the Skyline, but a nice high-tech textile strap could…

[@freedomfighter6549]

I hope Zenith takes the next step with the Defy in 2023 and make a two tone gold Defy! If they do, I hope, if they do, don't do a plated or covered link but a solid gold link version! Do it right!

[@WatchAdvisor]

..."plated or covered link but a solid gold link" ... You must be kidding! Zenith can't afford doing this...

[@freedomfighter6549]

Are you saying that their catalog of watches that are gold or two tones are no solid linked, like the Chronomasters? Rolex can do it, I believe Oris just out a solid gold bezeled diver with their new 400 movement. I'm confused...

[@freedomfighter6549]

Of course the prices for a two toned piece will significantly go up from the base $8400 steel models. But, it gives the line a blast of snazzy!!

[@dnlmoretti]

I love the skyline 🔥🔥🔥

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing! Which one would you choose?

[@dnlmoretti]

@@WatchAdvisor the zenith all day every day - I tend to dislike hype pieces, and the asking rate of a Royal Oak I’d MUCH rather have a Lange 1815 flyback chronograph or a Lang & Heyne Georg. I also like the fact that the original defy predated the Royal Oak, the Nautilus, and all the other Gents inspired sports watches

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks again for sharing... I hear you! 😜

[@kevinbutler1968]

Having spent too much money on watches last year, I think I would have to settle for the Tissot PRX !. I do like the Zenith though.

[@WatchAdvisor]

May I ask: which ones did you buy?

[@kevinbutler1968]

@@WatchAdvisor hi. I bought the Zenith A386 manufacture revival (your review helped), and then a JLC Polaris Mariner Date. Both beautiful watches from terrific brands.

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@kevinbutler1968 Bravo 🙌🏻 !Congratulations! May your JLC and Zenith always show you HAPPY seconds, minutes and hours…

[@taterporkchop]

The Zenith looks wonderful. Considering the rpice difference, I believe the choice is obvious. And it's less money? A real bargain in high horology.

[@WatchAdvisor]

It is a good choice for sure... Please do also reads our latest news in the "Community Section" of this channel...

[@Mysteryboy0007]

This zenith watch or the zenith daytona chronomaster?????

[@user-fq1ed3tu2y]

I just would mention (as an owner of several AP RO with the last mechs) - they are not as durable and precise, as EL Primero. And they are still very easily influenced by the magnetic fields. You wouldn’t feel that so much in Zenith or VC (which is officially antimagnetic) and even in Patek. And for me it is a big sadness, as I like RO a lot, have models from the past and now. The new Chronograph is even worse - I have offshore and RO 50 years on thet caliber and both were sent to the manufacture for warranty repair. Pity. But, still, when I am looking on RO and in details - it makes me much happier, then any Zenith could. Especially if you like to watch the watch from the back, to “meditate” watching the caliber - new AP is one of the finest ever.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing your passion and thoughts with us! Direct unfiltered feedback like this is the best we can get….

[@guillaumeperret7828]

100m waterproof is a definite plus for the Zenith, especially for a luxury sport watch

[@WatchAdvisor]

I agree! It shows that the Zenith is the more modern watch in the end…

[@GabrielX84]

Alexander I am the Biggest AP fanboy with no AP not because I haven’t tried really hard but because they just won’t sell me one. Apparently asking for one last year isn’t enough. A shame Because I think François is the coolest CEO ever and the RO is a legendary piece. Love it!

[@WatchAdvisor]

It has become artificial created greedy business… disgusting it is… what a shame… I keep my fingers crossed 🤞🏻 for you…

[@GabrielX84]

@@WatchAdvisor thank you 🙏🏻 Alexander, hopefully the Swiss angels above will come to my rescue.

[@mariomalhofer3701]

Zenith hat in den letzten Jahren vieles richtig gemacht. Und die neue Skyline finde ich mal richtig gelungen. Vor allem am Kautschukband gefällt Sie mir richtig gut.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Ich würde die nur mit dem Kautschukband tragen… sieht richtig cool aus damit…

[@mariomalhofer3701]

@@WatchAdvisor Ja das stimmt. Und nochmal danke für das tolle Video...

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@mariomalhofer3701 Immer gerne… 🙌🏼

[@sosin]

Both nice watches Alex but in the current market prices the Zenith is the more logical watch to buy. AP, Patek, Rolex and Richard Mille are overpriced and not worth the money. At retail prices maybe but since you cant buy them at retail, Zenith is the way to go.

[@WatchAdvisor]

That’s a smart way of seeing things - yes!

[@brpugonlatour1636]

Hi, can u please review Lange. 1815 annual calendar rose gold? Do a comparison video? Say against Patek?

[@WatchAdvisor]

If I can get hands on these watches that’s feasible…

[@JamesAlexander14]

Tough choice between the two, but the AP swings it for me-just! Love the colour of the Zenith dial and would happily part with cash if it wasn’t for that damned annoying seconds hand

[@WatchAdvisor]

That small second hand is cool… when wearing the Skyline for more than a week I quickly got addicted to it…

[@WatchAdvisor]

That small second hand is cool… when wearing the Skyline for more than a week I quickly got addicted to it…

[@rgama78]

If you are wearing a watch purely for status, Zenith can't compete with AP. But for the rest of us, this is a great detailed comparison of two beautiful watches.

[@WatchAdvisor]

I did not compare status… I never will, because I simply don’t care… I am old school I like a watch for what it is…

[@rgama78]

@@WatchAdvisor I know, that's why I watch your videos!

[@WatchAdvisor]

🙏🏻

[@einfussganger]

Very well balanced review. I agree - at retail prices, I'd go with the AP. At market prices, however, Zenith is the best value. I don't mind the foudroyante, though I wish they had made it more than a plain baton. Perhaps a rotating star, or a baton with a small star counterweight would have been better.

[@Starstreak170]

Will you be reviewing Grand Seiko in the future?

[@WatchAdvisor]

No plans for it in the moment…

[@rayn.2688]

@@WatchAdvisor why?….

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@rayn.2688 No particular reason… many other videos are in the pipeline though…

[@Starstreak170]

Those are nice homages to the PRX, but I prefer the original.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Do you mean the Tissot “PRX”? You must be kidding 🤣

[@Starstreak170]

@@WatchAdvisor Will you be able to do a review on it? I know it's a very exclusive watch, but I'm someone with your connections could your hands on one.

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@Starstreak170 ???? Sarcasm?

[@Starstreak170]

@@WatchAdvisor Partly, but I do think the PRX has been the most successful 2021 lineup in the affordable Swiss watch market.

[@Ossory88]

I would never buy myself an AP royal Oak just because of the hype and fanboy-ism around it.. however, this is a true icon and the undisputed winner in this contest.

[@WatchAdvisor]

That hype is disgusting - yes! It is artificial created, greedy business…

[@johnmcdonagh1607]

Thanks Alexander 👍. Now, if one wants to pay almost 3 x the other , over some “prestige” and marketing, so be it. It’s ones choice, after all.

[@WatchAdvisor]

If only the AP would be sold for retail price… that artificial created, greedy business is so disgusting…

[@B.B.M.R]

I would take Chopard Eagle over this two. Brilliant review!

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing your passion with us! Have you watched our CHOPARD videos also showing the Alpine Eagle?

[@timeisahumanconstruct9251]

For some reason the porportions of the 41mm sized RO are off. Something isn't right with that model.

[@WatchAdvisor]

What size is the appropriate one in your opinion?

[@timeisahumanconstruct9251]

@@WatchAdvisor 37mm. 39mm is upper limit for me due to the lug length and I'm saying this with 7.5'' wrists. I like classically fitting watches.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Pretty small IMHO ... the dial aperture would be too small then... the watch wouldn't look good anymore...

[@timeisahumanconstruct9251]

@@WatchAdvisor I've seen the 41mm on you and others. With all due respect it doesn't fit you or most others well. I think 37mm would fit you perfectly as it's more age appropriate.

[@krzysztofer5842]

It is hard to believe Zenith is way cheaper. I just don’t get hype over AP and …Richard Mille but that’s for another discussion

[@WatchAdvisor]

The hype was artificially created by lots of greedy people … and the Zenith offers value for the money - yes!

[@krzysztofer5842]

@@WatchAdvisorvalue for money is Longines in my view. Zenith is tier 1 watch and I would not say it is worse than AP regardless of price tag. I dont even want to say anything about secondary market for AP. Anyway thanks for posting such great videos. Cheers

[@yonder_owls]

Zenith should make the 36mm Defy sans diamonds as a true unisex watch. Plenty of men don't look good in a watch this size, and plenty of women don't want either diamond dials or giant men's watches. I'd seriously consider a mid size Defy. Mid size works for Rolex, Omega, VC, AP.....Go for it, Zenith.

[@WatchAdvisor]

Thanks for sharing!

[@yaaxarr8977]

AP is so boring and outdated technically speaking 😂 sorry AP FanBoys! Zenith is a great alternative 3 hands piece. Thank you Alexander for such a perfect comparison. Looking to see in person the Defy Skiline in 41 and 36 mm

[@WatchAdvisor]

I am happy to read this… Please keep us posted!

[@yaaxarr8977]

@@WatchAdvisor i will my fav KZbin host !!!

[@robbmcc420]

I'm sure it's in the video somewhere, but can you tell me your wrist size?

[@WatchAdvisor]

17 cm / 6,7 in

[@robbmcc420]

@@WatchAdvisor thanks. I am about 6.5-6.6 and ordered the white Zenith. In your opinion, does it fit your wrist well or is it chunky? I'm on the fence, but I have some watches that measure thicker and wear well. Thanks for your opinion!

[@WatchAdvisor]

@@robbmcc420 Bravo! You will like the Skyline! It will literally hug your wrist … Please share some thoughts with us once you have it…