Watching Amazon's "Fallout" Almost Makes You Wish for a Nuclear Winter

[@richter6699]

Was pretty surprised at the number of "its supposed to be stupid!" defenses I was seeing in Drinkers chat

[@-Azure.EXE-]

Like they were going to give something like Glass Onion the same treatment. It is a parody as well. That's how you know goombas just wait for drinker to give them their opinions about things.

[@Dr.Metalblood]

Also a lot of "You guys are too nitpicky, Fallout isn't supposed to be serious!" types of comments.

[@daikhairai7194]

Every fandom has its blindspots, drinkers chat's been doing well aside from bly manor and some small few others.

[@rajimus]

it wasnt stupid show was great and stay mad you sad cucks

[@vadandrumist1670]

Just the chat? The debate itself had plenty too.

[@BulkBogan1920]

The moment where that Enclave scientist dodged a turret by running at a snails pace with dogmeat has got to be just one of the most stupidest scenes in this show.

[@Scaley_Reptile]

Yes, They've normally been more dangerous for me when I get turrets and such

[@thefinalboss2403]

It must have been an airsoft turret.

[@65firered]

"But it's stupid fun like the games so it's good. " No wonder the show was released in full, if people had time to process each episode it would have to rely on only fanboys to carry it.

[@Turd_Rocket]

You're absolutely correct. The Enclave's President was killed, and they were soundly defeated 20 years before this show is set. So the Enclave should no longer exist. Oh, but yeh, I guess it's also dumb that some guy didn't get shot by a machine gun. Sure, that's also sort of dumb.

[@Ronin_72]

Perhaps, IMO the stupidest thing is vaults 31,32 ,33 being 10s of miles (if that) from the cathedral and being intact. On top of that 31 being the head of vault tech. The master would have foiled their plan. Despite his ego, he is a extremely inelegant, if anyone would out smart vault tech it'd be him.

[@keshonhend2047]

Somehow the Enclave returned.

[@Pestondemand]

They just rebuilt the oil rig and made horrigan a zombie Sounds easy enough if you ask me

[@wetrix2119]

1:41:28 "I know the Brotherhood always kinda been a fascist organisation in the games, right?" NO. They are portrayed as fascist only in Bethesda's Fallout 4, in Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas they are isolationists safekeeping pre-war technology, making sure it doesn't end up in the wrong hands. They would NEVER use squires as cannon fodder, because with how few and secluded the Brotherhood is, a squire is bound to be some scribe's/paladin's/elder's son, no amount of mental gymnastics can convince me that they would treat their own children as expendable meat shields.

[@crassuscorax7731]

Yeah that's right. I feel like Fallout 4 was an overcorrection after the criticism of Lyons' BoS in 3, who were a bit too altruistic while the Outcasts resembled the classic BoS mentality. They tried to bring them back to isolationist tech hoarders and turned them into knightly crusaders instead, which the show Flanderized

[@keshonhend2047]

@@crassuscorax7731 The Brotherhood is on about four layers of flanderization right now.

[@Joey-The-Chud]

Funny thing is the fallout 4 version was the most based and red pilled version of the brotherhood we ever got, sure most of they're quests are terribly written ( in true Bethesda fashion) but the actual goal of purging the synthetic menace was a glorious one. In fallout 3 and tactics they're portrayed as generic good guy boy scouts. In fallout 1/2 and New Vegas they're just braindead tech hoarders dying out in they're bunkers, aka a dead end, in contrast fallout 4's version was a much cooler interpretation of the brotherhood than we ever got before imo.

[@patrickbrown897]

Great point, hadn't thought of that. Maybe fascism is like a trend rising in the brotherhood due to corruption? We know from fallout 3 and New Vegas that sometimes there's a game of thrones going on with the leadership of the brotherhood, that could lead to new sects. Almost like different denominations of BOS.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@Joey-The-ChudYeah, and braindead.

[@Dr.Metalblood]

"Get that jello mold out of here!"

[@TaddiestMason]

"The best video game adaptation I've ever seen." - my friend who must've been really high when he was watching it.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

Creetosis was right, that stupid quote really sticks with you

[@vivechjorviani5440]

@@TaddiestMason my friend was arguing unironically that we should support the show to get bethesda to do better writing like in the show, frankly the human race is doomed

[@the_real_inquisitor]

​@@mrminecraftcubeableWe need to protect the Jelly Mold at all costs!

[@Turd_Rocket]

That line was so raterded, but it also just reminded me of that old derrickcomedy sketch video National Spelling Bee. "Um... can you use it in a sentence?"

[@Syaniiti]

Not having played games since 2000 shouldn't be a problem, Fallout came out in 1997 The problem with ghouls needing drugs to not become feral is manyfold. Who developed the drug immediately after the bombs fell as people ghoulified? It seems like they need a dose every few days so that's a week after the bombs fell someone had to develop it. Who manufactured the drug after the World ended? was it the same guy that developed it? How did it get spread across the states from west to east coast? Ghouls are supposed to simply age very very slowly and be immune/healed by radiation. They're not immune to bullets, they need to sleep / eat / drink same as humans. They are not zombies.

[@slartibartfast5861]

Yeah, they are actually more fragile then most humans. Faster healing doesn't equate to being tougher.

[@CynicalAnomaly205]

It's even stated in the games they are not zombies, how the show got that wrong is beyond me. They clearly are undead in the show because Walton Goggins starts off in a fucking grave like he's Eric Draven or some shit. They retconned ghouls into being immortal undead superheroes, it's a clown show and it makes no sense.

[@Slender_Man_186]

This shouldn’t be surprising since Fallout 4 can’t even agree with itself on wether Ghouls need food and water, the quest “kid in a fridge” says that they don’t, but the settlement system The Bog in particular says that they do.

[@65firered]

What about all the ghouls who would not have access to this drug and are a part of entire communities? What about the ghouls who are entirely isolated or were not around civilization for quite a while? It doesn't make sense for all of them to just randomly become feral when there are some many that clearly aren't and don't have access to or know of this drug.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@Slender_Man_186Not to mention that there's a faction quest ‘don’t remember if it was for the Institute or not’ where they're looking for missing supplies and you find out a rogue scientist is stealing food and water to help a bunch of ghouls.

[@SixerMason]

The ghoul changes are dumb. Ghouls aren't zombies, end of.

[@gentlemanbronco3246]

They forgot that Fallout 2 has an entire quest line which humanizes the ghouls but it seems the show, and by extension, Bethesda, are hellbent on annihilating lore that was built up by Obsidian.

[@greysnake2903]

Ok...

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@gentlemanbronco3246Guessing they also forgot about the Necropolis where the whole moral question was about stealing their water chip and depriving them of water or wasting more time and fixing their water pumps while dealing with the super mutants guarding it.

[@RorytheRomulan]

The show can't even decide whether they really are zombies or not.

[@Turd_Rocket]

@@gentlemanbronco3246 Obsidian didn't make Fallout 2.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

The reason why the fusion cores run out in Fallout 4 and 76 is mostly because they wanted to give the player power armor early in Fallout 4 for a scripted scene and had to balance power armor for the rest of the game. It's the same reason why the mini gun was nerfed in 4 too.

[@billjacobs521]

Yes, one of countless bad decisions.

[@BaronR]

With Fallout hitting the mainstream there are more fans of the "Fallout Brand" than it's storytelling. As long as the visuals match, soundtrack is old songs and humor is cringe they will excuse any buffoonery. Gamers have a very low bar when it comes to quality of what is on the TV screen, sadly.

[@TaddiestMason]

and the average casual consumer has even less of a bar. both are too willing to go out and buy any merchandise of it. if they had put out a fake "Sugar Bombs" cereal in conjunction with some cereal company, they could have made even more ridiculous amounts of money.

[@kadalsaurus6232]

that is bethesda version of fallout. the classic are pretty grim and have cool industrial soundtrac. which is suck mainstream prefer the goofy one

[@65firered]

Considering people who are normally critical and skeptical genuinely believe this show is really good, yeah you're right.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@65fireredThis was the litmus test of the critic community.

[@65firered]

@@Lobsterwithinternet And most failed unfortunately.

[@JohnSmith-zl1tr]

Cold fusion is fusion at low temperatures, though in this case low could mean 1000 degrees so it's only cold relative to normal fusion like the sun which generates its light and heat via fusion. In the real world while fission is used all over the world in nuclear reactors to generate energy fusion remains the domain of prototype reactors that have only ever generated more energy then they was to operate the reactor in a very very narrow essentially useless scientific sense. Cold fusion is interesting as an idea because if worthwhile fusion could be achieved at "low" temperatures it would be a much easier to design electrical generators with it and could potentially be used in smaller installations. Also fusion uses hydrogen, which can be trivially obtained from water, rather then uranium, or plutonium as fuel. Nuclear bombs use both fission and fusion. The early ones like fat man and little boy used fission alone. Modern nukes use a fission reaction(essentially a fission bomb) at their center to create a fusion reaction to create an even bigger explosions. In the fallout universe devices smaller then a care battery are used to power power armor. Whether these are cold fusion or hot fusion is unknown, they're just vague "fusion". Though they almost have to be not just cold fusion but room temperature fusion because otherwise the radiant heat from the fusion reaction should make them hotter then a blast furnace,

[@bielperello]

Agree. A simpler explanation could be: fission is splitting one heavy atom into two and getting lots of energy/heat and lots of radiation. Fussion is kind of the opposite and is what happens inside the sun and inside thermonuclear bombs/H-bombs. Trough insane amounts of pressure a couple of atoms join together and become a single, heavier atom (in this case helium), thus releasing lots of energy but no dangerous radiation at all.

[@kenkaneki3873]

The GECK had cold fusion so that's another retcon with the show pretending cold fusion didn't exist until now

[@billjacobs521]

@@bielperello "No dangerous radiation"? What? It's the same radiation as the sun, like you just said; it absolutely releases dangerous radiation. Still, the games made it clear that they cracked micro-fusion during the war, thus eliminating the entire cause of the war. That's the sad part. Cold fusion WAS mentioned in the GECK but that's largely a throwaway line and I think it's pretty clear that's not what's being used in the games.

[@JustDan718]

Arcade Gannon was right nihil novi sub sole, they had to mush the two plot devices of from both NV and 3 - finding your father while carrying unexplained mcguffin.

[@Zephyr503]

"Communist just means someone who is not insane". Communist writer: "Let's supersize our stock dividends by nuking the world."

[@grandarkfang_1482]

Of course the Communist drone doesn't understand how capital works.

[@rajimus]

lol you didnt even get it. XD you dont even know the lore and didnt get basic explanation. not for u friendo basic b

[@vadandrumist1670]

She's one of those types that goes "I'm not a communist, I'm a socialist."

[@kadalsaurus6232]

@@rajimus ok retard

[@dean_l33]

@@rajimus Very compelling argument now face the wall

[@65firered]

STAG #115, Friday Night Tights, Open Bar and now this. Hopefully over time people will understand how bad this show is because GOOD GOD!

[@NightOfTheRavens]

I think I remember most people being excited about and praising Fallout 4 too at its launch... With people realising slowly but surely that there are plenty of not so good qualities that really sour the experience.

[@65firered]

@@NightOfTheRavens Though that game did receive mixed reviews from both audiences and critics alike at launch.

[@Riff_Roll]

Thank you guys for this video. I’m glad people are seeing through this radiated dogwater.

[@Scaley_Reptile]

To prevent drinking irratiiated dog piss Maybe you need a pip boy to sense them for you forr only the price of your soul or libert...just ignore how it fails only radiation detection tends to stop working when raiders enter your vault. 11

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Hey! Don't insult Dog Water like that!

[@gfaghahtst]

The sheer stupidity of Bethesda slapping the Canon label on this show is pretty on point for them now. Why risk damaging your image even more Bethesda. You do realize that all the good will you guys had is utterly gone now right? That your are thought lesser than Ubisoft and EA? At max on par with them? You went from the kings of the single player rpg open world to the laughing stock of the industry. Slapping on the Canon label is moronic even if the show was as good as Breaking Bad or early GOT. Why hitch your wagon as a game developer studio to the reception of a show? Oh I know why! What is gonna happen is they will just casually not mention the ghoul meds in there next game and make it on the east coast again. That way they can just ignore all the damage they did to world of the western USA crafted by Black Isle and Obsidian with love and care because fuck them I guess. Why did they not use the east coast like they did for 3 games now? That would of softened the blow of any lore inconsistency better and they could of made up whatever nonsense factions they wanted. Which is the whole reason they set the games in the east to begin with. I guess Bethesda got tired of being told there fallout games are trash compared to New Vegas and decided to drag down Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas with them. The best solution before they regret this decision is just to say it is not Canon. Let this just be a fan fic that my dad can watch after a long week of work and just wants to sit down with a beer and turn his brain off. Though it is funny because one show he absolutely loves is Justified. So he loved Goggins in this and I enjoyed him to. Anyway leave it for the "normies" and let the people who care about Fallout breath knowing this show has no bearing on the established world of fallout. They wont though cause Bethesda is managed by actual feral ghouls it seems.

[@Syaniiti]

People say the show looks good, but they even got the basic look of the Vaults wrong. They have the east coast look when they're supposed to have the west coast look.

[@bigwinz]

Todd Howard clearly resents that his Fallout games are so much worse than the originals and NV.

[@Syaniiti]

@@bigwinz Let's be clear here, there are 3 Fallout games and several spinoff series. Tactics is the good one of the spinoffs and it's closer to Fallout than Bethesda-Fallout is.

[@gentlemanbronco3246]

@@bigwinz Bethesda’s Fallout also can’t move past Vault Dwellers. What I liked about Obsidian’s Fallout games were that it was gradually moving out of the Vault Dwellers. We witness people, though with their own share of problems, trying to rebuild. Their wasteland felt more of a frontier than a desolate shit hole.

[@Turd_Rocket]

What "world" of Fallout? That hasn't existed since 1998. What everyone says Disney did to Star Wars, that state of IP ruination - Faĺlout has been there for 25 years. The show sucking is par for the course.

[@abdullahal-shaban2418]

3:00:38 , iirc, they were a currency in fallout 1 because they were backed by water, in the lore people could trade them to water barons for a certain amount of water. In fallout 2, bottlecaps were phased out for the NCR's currency which was backed by gold. When Bethesda took over, bottlecaps came back in Fallout 3 with no explanation, it's just because it's a part of Fallout that everyone knows about. In New Vegas, it's because the Mojave isn't officially in the NCR's grasp yet, and most of the population are still unsure as to who will take over the Mojave, which is why the NCR and the Legion both have their forms of currency in the game, as both factions are competing over the region. And Fallout 4, again, no explanation. I believe no explanation in Fallout 76 as well. This is all from memory so there are bound to be mistakes, but I'm pretty sure this is mostly accurate. Also because I haven't played 76, lmao.

[@Turd_Rocket]

Don't kid yourself. In New Vegas caps were also a thing because they were recognizable, I don't care what "reasoning" they wrote into the game to account for it, it was as shameless as the key-jangling in Fallout 3. All of New Vegas is a key-jangle to distract you from the next sudden kick in the balls.

[@abdullahal-shaban2418]

@@Turd_Rocket So how do you explain the inclusion of both the NCR and Legion currencies in the game? I could see NCR currency being used as "key-jangling", but how about the Legion one? Ultimately, the currencies were integrated with the world in every non-Bethesda game, which is explicitly the opposite of key-jangling.

[@yinnyonline]

@@Turd_Rocket if it makes sense in-universe then it is, by definition, not "key-jangling" because key-jangling inherently lacks substance. that's why it's called "key-jangling" because the "keys" and the sounds they're making as they jangle are shiny and sound interesting but they dont actually have any worth beyond that

[@billjacobs521]

@@Turd_Rocket You're right that bottlecaps were the currency just because reasons. However, your weird anger about New Vegas is, well, weird. Did Mr House hurt your feelings?

[@sirtonyedgar]

​@@Turd_Rocketcaps are also used in New Vegas because like OP said, Mojave is not part of the NCR yet, the NCR money also loses its value a bit compared to caps due to the Brotherhood of Steel blowing up their gold reserves

[@kadalsaurus6232]

GET THE JELLY MOULD OUTTA HERE

[@RedStar441]

GET THAT PLOTHOLE OUTTA HERE

[@NightOfTheRavens]

GET THAT LOGIC OUTTA HERE

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

GET THE T-BOYS OUT OF HERE!!!

[@Whoyouwishyouwere]

GET THAT AMAZING LORE OUTTA HERE

[@RorytheRomulan]

Fans are saying Maximus has the "Idiot Savant" perk. I despise Bethesda for that now. Nobody understands what it means to call someone an idiot savant. It's the kind of person who selectively retains knowledge that's of interest to him, but ignores everything else. You're the fucking Rain Man. You're not just "so fucking stupid that the universe flips on its head and does whatever the fuck benefits you". It's so stupid.

[@NoPantsBaby]

Give it time. This show will get Mandalorianed as it drops off a cliff season by season as trash writing is rewarded. You'll still have to hear "Fallout season 1 was really good" but at least it will join Mandalorian in the dustbin of trash shows.

[@samuraibobafett1118]

I would describe this show as Fallout 4 flavored Mandalorian

[@abrahambobst4602]

At least, I could watch Mando Season 1 since it was coherent. The Fallout Show was a complete slap in the face to the audience's intelligence. What amazes me is all of the non-bot people saying it's a good show, though it is revealing how many are IRL NPCs.

[@65firered]

The comparison to Star Wars is better than you think.

[@abrahambobst4602]

@@65firered Very true, I saw a lot of Finn in Maximus once again showing the racism/bigotry of Hollyweird.

[@65firered]

@@abrahambobst4602 Funny how the people who call us racist are always projecting their own racism. But hey, this is the bed they made.

[@samwellcheck562]

How Critical Drinker gave this dumpster fire a pass I'll never know. If you had 0 investment in the lore and story of Fallout, it is still just a plain terrible show that isn't even entertaining ironically. One good performance for a nonsense character. That's it. That's all it has going for it.

[@thefinalboss2403]

He's not an actual reviewer. He's simply making content for the culture war. If he doesn't see enough woke things he has nothing to say. "Oh its getting generally positive reviews, and there's not enough woke things to complain about?" *stamp of approval*

[@65firered]

The number of people I could say the same thing about is unsettling. Too many people are giving this a pass because Bethesda, Fallout, and "fanserivce".

[@WigglyMcWiggly]

Because he's not actually very good at critically analysing films.

[@Ariescz]

I think the bar of quality is so low these days, that the show being not overtly woke was enough to convince him this is fine, and thus he started to overlook stuff he normally tears apart. And I do not think he remembers much from Fallout 1/2/NV if he even played those.

[@billjacobs521]

It's because he's a tourist. Most of the fans are. People who really know the lore are like, WTF? People who don't know the lore at all are also going WTF? But people who kinda know the lore, or should I say, know the iconography and some of the names, they are clapping at how accurate it all looks and the name-drops. That's Drinker; the man forgot China was the enemy in the great war. No offense to Drinker for not caring about Fallout, he doesn't have to, but he clearly only loved it because it was full of references he recognized and nothing more.

[@ShamanMcLamie]

The original idea behind Vault-Tec was that they were an arm of the Enclave which was the Shadow government of the United States. The idea was that the Enclave knew the world was doomed and they planned to use space ships to fly to other planets. Most of the Vaults were subjected to various social and scientific experiments. All so the Enclave can determine the ideal conditions for people to take on a multi-generational journey through space. This was never officially in the games, but was an idea commonly discussed by a lot of the pre-Bethesda creators of Fallout. I just thought it was funny you guys also thought of the whole space travel angle as well.

[@Zolwiol]

Brotherhood knows that what the Enclave geriatric is carrying will "allow one who owns it to control the wasteland" so they send ONE (very stupid) Knight and a Squire to hunt him down. Make it make sense.

[@Deadpool710]

Don’t remember this part in great detail, but didn’t they send knights to different designated search areas? What is much dumber is that cold fusion already exists because fusion that doesn’t immolate anything/anyone nearby already exists and is widespread within fallout (the gun that cold fusion raider lady uses is literally powered by a fusion/microfusion cell)

[@Turd_Rocket]

The Enclave no longer exists. They were defeated and the President was killed. Fallout 3 already ruined that with their "reset button" b0llsh!t. But this show somehow ruins it by reset buttoning - AGAIN. And literally for nothing but a name drop.

[@jhonayo4887]

Maximus is probably one of the worst written characters ive ever seen. So hateable.

[@exhumedlegume8870]

RE: The T BoS member being referred to as a Brother That's actually one thing even an old school Fallout purist like me can get behind... "The women of the Brotherhood are also called Brothers. We don't call the women Sisters. This is the Brotherhood of Steel, after all, not the Brother and Sisterhood of Steel." - Paladin Jennifer, Lost Hills Bunker, Fallout

[@MattEveland-cy9yr]

anti-capitalist messages always make me laugh-- mostly that even with properties like this, where they are literally gonna make billions off of merch, people are dumb enough to swallow the message with no awareness of the irony of it.

[@Slender_Man_186]

Never forget how Bethesda, Microsoft, and now Amazon have turned Vault Boy into the very thing he was originally a parody of.

[@MattEveland-cy9yr]

@@Slender_Man_186 lol, true. and actually, on rewatch just noticed that where the video games were blatant in stating it was a war between the US and China, the show removed any mention of China and instead just uses the generic term, "Reds," which is more a reference to the Soviets to most. gotta think about those lucrative markets I guess when promoting your anti-capitalist moral tv show 😂

[@gentlemanbronco3246]

@@MattEveland-cy9yr they even retconned the fact that it was China who nuked the United States into a shithole.

[@therealfakecaptain7978]

The irony is on purpose, jeez ! It's self-aware and that what makes it powerful.

[@MattEveland-cy9yr]

@@therealfakecaptain7978 whatever you need to justify to yourself why you bought that $500 in merch-- "down with capitalism kids! and don't forget to let your friends know how you feel with our limited edition 'down with capitalism' bobble!"

[@wojak-sensei6424]

The most egregious thing this show has done for me is the "implication" (emphasis on that word) that Vault-Tec dropped the bombs themselves. Apart from the obvious smoothbrain comment of "factions bad for future generations so let's destroy any semblance of a normal future" bullshit, it represents what I think is the ignorance of this show towards what Fallout was all about. There's a reason why the Great War was always talked about in nebulous fashion. "Who Dropped the Bombs First?" is a fun headcannon exercise, but it was kept vague purely because it was irrelevant to the world you were living in Fallout. What happened in October 23, 2076 was no war, where winners benefitted and losers were humbled. Everyone lost the war, from the US government, to the people, to RobCo, to the circles that will eventually form the Enclave, and even to Vault-Tec. Nobody wanted the nuclear apocalypse, but they sure as hell weren't going to appear weak and consolidating to their foreign enemies. And so the world died not because of human malice, but because of human failure. Paranoia, dysfunction, complacency and sheer hubris made the ultimate mistake, not because some shadow group saw fit to bring annihilation for their own ambitions. In that context, the lore of Fallout takes on a very tragic element. The idea of a world brought to destruction when everyone thought that they were doing what they did for an honorable cause. It made factions like the Brotherhood in 4, the Enclave in 2, the Master in 1, and the Legion more complex than just malevolent actors in the wasteland. When you hear a faction say that the wasteland is a perverted disease that needs to be cleansed by any means necessary for the betterment of all (Synths for the BoS, muties for the Enclave, genetic weaknesses of humanity for the Master, and the weaknesses of individualism and democracy for the Legion), and you saw all the suffering and dilapidation of the more moral factions, who are we to say no to that assessment? This is the wasteland now. Anything that can get us back to even decent living standards is on the table, even if it means blood. Everyone is working towards bringing normalcy back, it's just that this endeavor is easier said than done and many others have their own version of this restoration. War may never change, but people do - through the roads they walk. And what we witness as players in Fallout are these new people after the war, trying to build back a broken world when they themselves are broken people, all hanging on a dream of something greater. Removing that nuance, making it seem that Vault-Tec just wanted to make the world their own, cheapens the message of this franchise so much. The bombs were never a mistake that the Old World was too late to avoid, it was an orchestrated attempt for some dickheads in suits to play god. What little civilization remains aren't building humanity out the rubble with unique perspectives and approaches, it's just part of the long-standing beef of megalomaniacal company drones and the psychotic messiah Maldover and her selfless goal of providing free energy to a *fucking wasteland!* No depth, no profound analysis to the nature of man and the societies they form under their circumstances. Nope. Just bad people are bad, good people are good even when they do bad, and everything is just about who gets to see their ideological social experiment come to life. Hopefully the good people. Just... not good. Again, it's just implied. But good lord, is entertaining that idea makes this franchise just about 1950s nostalgia and edgelord writing.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@houghtonjojo8944]

Also doesn't help they did it for a total monopoly despite having access to the worlds only working cold fusion reactors that would probably make them way more money in the long run. Also capitalist megacorp killing those that are needed to give them money, real big brain.

[@billjacobs521]

While it's possible for them to later claim it wasn't Vault Tec technically, it's not merely "implied" that they did it; they announced they were going to do it, everyone seems cool with it, so it's basically what happened unless and until they actually contradict it later.

[@skinwalkerhiddenvalleyranch]

JELLY MOLD

[@vivechjorviani5440]

OUT OF HERE

[@NightOfTheRavens]

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[@JezaGaia]

So I already wrote this as an answer to another post below but I think it's important enough to note to re-post it here. The idea of ghouls needing some sort of serum to stay cognizant and if they miss a couple of doses it's game over 100% of the time cannot work at all independently of the fact that this never existed in the games or was even hinted at before the show. Here is why : There were no ghouls before the war. We know from a side quest in fallout 4 that in the commonwealth at least there was a singular research project that was working on the potential effects of heavy radiation on humans. That's how Eddie Winter notorious criminal managed to be turned into a ghoul before the bombs and lived in a bunker for 200 years waiting for the commotion to die down so he could go grab his ill gained money. Let's say that even though we never heard of it before they had also been working on the cure, low probability as they didn't even know for sure what radiation would do but ok. Let's say that with a single test subject they managed to perfect the cure, this was a prototype.It wasn't available anywhere and the formula was located in one single research lab in the commonwealth. How would the ghouls that were made by the initial blast of the bombs still be cognizant 200+ years later if they had 0 access to the drug ? There is a vault that was left open on purpose to test large scale radiation poisoning on the residents and they all turned into ghouls, most were cognizant and not feral, they didn't have the drug. There are many other examples of non feral ghouls that were created by the nukes that are still perfectly sane 200 + years but the best example would be the kid in the fridge. In fallout 4 we stumble across a kid stuck in a fridge, it happens to be a child who hid in the fridge when the bombs fell got stuck in there for 200 years and turned into a ghoul. He obviously didn't have access to the drug and is perfectly fine. But even without those prewar ghouls as an example how could all the regions of the US we've seen in the games manage to create enough serum for all the non feral ghouls we see around ? There have to be tens of thousands if not more needing each 1 dose a day and we're in a wasteland with very limited resources, power and water, how could they manufacture enough for every sane ghoul out there ? This trope would work if there were a dozen or so sane ghouls in the whole of the US, not with how many there are in the games.

[@BobSmith-kk4kp]

The writing it terribad and all over the place. Just a few things I noticed: Why do the Vault 33 people get to see the Vault 32 people every few years, but have *never* seen anyone from Vault 31 except their 'elected leaders' (and Stephanie Harper for some reason), and not at all find that suspicious or at least weird? Why was Stephanie Harper unfrozen in 31 to join 33, when she is shown turning wrenches with Lucy instead of having a leadership role like the others from Vault 31? Why is the one guardian of Vault 31 a Roomba that can be defeated by janitorial equipment, when large articulated robots are common household appliances? Vault-Tec could surely afford far better than this pathetic thing. How did Moldaver survive 200+ years? Why is this not explained? If she were still alive, I would assume it would be answered in Season 2, but well... it seems less pressing for the writers to answer once she is gone, so it seems very much like an oversight. Why did Moldaver go through Vault 32 to get to 33, when she could have just gone directly to 33? After all, that is where her objective was (and she knew that, as she had met him). She also had Roses Pip-Boy, which was from Vault 33, and would have granted easy access. Why did Moldaver raid Vault 33 and thus risk killing the target (Dad) as well as Lucy, Roses daughter. Rose was her dear friend, if we are to believe her. Why did Moldaver kill a bunch of people at Vault 33, then threaten either Lucy or the remaining Vault dwellers, make Dad choose between them, and then just leave instead of killing any of them? She had already caused the death of so many innocents, what would a few more have mattered?

[@billjacobs521]

I swear the first and last episode were from entirely different drafts, it's so bonkers. And yes, it's incredibly weird for there not to be a bunch of robots in Vault 31; they were common in vaults. Like, what happens if there's, I dunno, an earthquake (I'm pretty sure LA had one or two of those in the past) and they need to repaid some pipes and stuff? Why the hell wouldn't you have entire rooms full of Mr Handys at the very least? And if you want these folks to take over the surface and manage it, wouldn't you also give them some combat robots to deal with any threats?

[@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove]

The Fallout games had some progressive ideas. But the series goes full on "Communists are what they call people who aren't insane." Which is insane if you consider this was produced by Amazon.

[@patrickbrown897]

I don't think it means that communists are right, it means Americans in the universe call any dissent to their society communism. Calling someone "communist" is like calling someone "woke".

[@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove]

@@patrickbrown897 But she was self-identified communist in the show. She was recruiting people at that meeting where she said that.

[@billjacobs521]

@@patrickbrown897 But the line literally says that if you're not insane, you're a communist. It's just a clunker of a line. And yes, she's very clearly communist. Just like most woke people are very clearly woke.

[@patrickbrown897]

@@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove Im pretty she said explicitly that she wasn't a communist? She said "communist is what they call people who aren't insane". Meaning they were using communism as a scapegoat for any criticism of the government or capitalist system.

[@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove]

@@patrickbrown897 Again, the subject matter of the meeting she was holding was communist/Marxist. That's why he got up and said as he was leaving the meeting he said something to the effect that he didn't believe in an ideology that ended in breadlines (I don't recall the exact line) She was a Marxist. I'd have to go back and review that episode.

[@yaboiportch]

The "clever boys" line seems like a remnant of a first draft of the script that was never noticed. If you told me someone saw that line during the writing process and thought it was solid, I would not believe you.

[@crassuscorax7731]

Here's a musing. Before the show, the airship was apparently named the Caswennan (another word for Prydwen in Arthurian lore) in a Vanity Fair exclusive about the show. So, people rightfully assumed we were seeing a united BoS and that the eastern BoS gave them schematics and materials to build their own. Then the show drops and it's the Prydwen, it's called the Prydwen, and it has Prydwen stenciled on the side. Obviously, that confirms some Fallout 4 endings but meh, I'm just wondering more if the Caswennan thing was misdirection for this heckin' cool facterino, or if it WAS the Caswennan and was changed before release

[@Turd_Rocket]

Fallout 4 was a sewge drenched garbage fire. So I don't care.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Or they didn't want to admit that they had made the stupid decision to make the East Coast Brotherhood of Steel the strongest faction in the universe almost overnight because they're Todd’s baby.

[@AlekTrev006]

It also implies that Elder Maxson from back in DC / Boston ordered his airship to fly ‘back West’ - across the entire USA - to appear in the show 😅 Possible, sure… but… unusual

[@mascamuelassmith8088]

23:29 you lostme there completely g. How do you not know about ghouls not needing a dial EVERY DAY to prevent them from becoming feral? For 200 years lol. Every day. And you find It cool?

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

And that’s not even talking about who’s producing a drug after a nuclear war for 200+ years for an entire wasteland for almost no profit? Maybe the Zombex people started the war to get rid of all the anti-feral medicine they just randomly made. 😂😂😂

[@fastenedcarrot9570]

I've never heard a Ramin Djawadi score I didn't like. He did Gears 5 too, which had some really great tracks.

[@Nobody-lm5gh]

Fallout has always had non-binary characters. They're called super mutants.

[@thefinalboss2403]

Then why aren't they constantly talking about it and making it their entire identity?

[@Nobody-lm5gh]

@@thefinalboss2403 super mutants have busy and eventful lives. That shit requires free time

[@lordfarquaad8601]

​@@Nobody-lm5ghGoing off of FO1/2, while they're sterile, they still have regular sex. Were I a woman, I imagine I wouldn't care to be called "he/him" just because the FEV turned me into Shrek

[@IdleDrifter]

The Master refers to the female supermutants in his dialog with the Vault Dweller.

[@Nobody-lm5gh]

@@IdleDrifter they are technically male and female. But the mutation process erases all sex differentiating characteristics and renders them sterile.

[@Paul-bs5wl]

I find most of this show unsurprisingly terrible, but I was very disappointed with power armour's depiction, it's one of the few things Fallout 4 did pretty well (gameplay wise, not story wise) and being a fan of the 40k subgenre of supermen crushing hostile aliens with power armour I find it super lame that in this show you have to wonder why anyone bothered making it to begin with

[@RickCicchini]

A woman I know who was in the Air Force got reassigned somewhere she didn't want and tried to break her own ankle. Self injury unfortunately happens in the military

[@JezaGaia]

I would say that in the games who shot first didn't matter anymore but still it was the core mystery to solve, what happened, what brought us where we are ? A bit like knowing your origins, it shouldn't matter in the end, you are who you are regardless of what your ancestors were like but most people feel the need to know it's almost instinctive.

[@billjacobs521]

Ugh. The ghoul change does not make any sense, even if we ignore the lore; where the hell did this medicine come from? Who invented it? How does it get made? Why is the source two organ harvesters in a random grocery store with no guards? How does it get distributed? Are there random organ harvesting med producers the world over producing this stuff or are all ghouls feral except for the few in this immediate area who can get vials from these guys? Ghouls were already interesting; they were exceedingly long-lived and healed by radiation, but it's sort of a living death as their joints and mind still degrade over time, their skin sloughing off, looking and smelling horrific. Making them pretty much superior to humans in every way except how they look was a dumb idea, and then throwing in this hackneyed weakness of needing daily medicine to survive was just a stupid way to limit an OP character. It doesn't even add anything except to detail the main plot for two characters for a while.

[@CabooseAhNotMyFault]

gotta disagree with the point that it's stupid that they drop the new squire in filly insead of next to maximus. it's the better landing zone, you can actually see whats happening below, no trees, and it's not like it's far away, he has to walk like 30 seconds. checks out for me

[@CapitalOOpinions]

Perhaps you're right. I suppose what actually bothers me about the scene is how lucky the timing is for Maximus not being found out.

[@CabooseAhNotMyFault]

@@CapitalOOpinions the timing is certainly a thing there. have you seen Maulers and Drinkers debate about the show?

[@chrisbj5251]

They really live up to the Fall Out name.

[@65firered]

At least as far as Bethesda is concerned

[@billjacobs521]

Fate absolutely bends over backwards for Lucy, just with a dose of shock content thrown on top. Big, strong, violent killer with a huge knife attacks her? There's a bottle for her to hit him with, and the bottle even breaks in an impossible way to leave her with a weapon to further wound him. And this is after her geiger counter just turns itself on to warn her that he's more radioactive than a Glowing One. That guy comes after her again later? Bailed out by dad. Being targeted by a merciless bounty hunter? A literal knight in shining armor appears out of nowhere to save her (after Cooper fails to kill her numerous times when he actually had the chance). Gets her finger cut off? Replaced a few minutes later. Radiation sickness? Runs into a guy who heals her a few minutes later. Attacked by a Mr Handy WHILE strapped to a gurney? Gets out and disables it in seconds. Then reprograms the robot, even though it doesn't appear that she's ever even seen one before, and arms it with a makeshift projectile weapon to fight her way out. Releases ferals? They all get killed by others except one, who she insta-kills in one shot to the shoulder, despite the fact that the show has already shown us ghouls are immune to bullets if they aren't headshots. Being hunted by a scientist guy with a harpoon gun (the natural weapon for a scientist apparently)? Convenient jar of acid just sitting there for her to throw at him. Gets caught anyway and is being sentenced to death? Psyche, she's just being asked to leave. If I recall, the scientist actually takes out a radroach coming for her while she slept in the first episode too. And she manages to not get hurt by either side during the war at the end. While there are some horrific scenes with Lucy, they never matter; physical threats are always neutralized, physical damage is reversed, and emotional trauma only affects her for like 30 seconds and then she resets right back to a bubbly, naive fish-out-of-water. Also, her tag skills are guns, melee, unarmed, survival, science, and repair, so she's clearly cheating!

[@HeyImRosko]

Westworld almost lost me in the middle of season 1, but won me over by the end of it. Heard Season 2 was bad, and never even investigated. One season wonder

[@Oldhandlewasabitcringe]

Season 3 pulls it back just in time for season 4 to be dogshit again

[@crimnvL]

I honestly thought it was dogshit after szn 2

[@artyom-ovsepyan]

The first two season were good, the second one is okay, pretty decent. And the third season was so fucking boring I dropped after a few episodes.

[@Turd_Rocket]

Nah. Season 1 is the only one worth a damn.

[@TheKindofTiredSleepCantFix]

Westworld Season 1 is bad, people who claim otherwise either havent rewatched the show and seen how half the plot twists are invalidated/ dont makes sense with the end of the season or just have low standards. Fallout has so many of the same problems as Westworld.

[@SideBurns]

Maximus is starting to remind me of Finn, raised by a brainwashed military organisation but the writer's make him be a buffoon and unproffessional. At least Finn had potential in his character arc.

[@patrickbrown897]

They said the show is cannon, so the enclave is the american government. Its not vault-tec.

[@Scaley_Reptile]

thank you.. I didn't trust it but trened brain off to watch it..and it did seem to be enjoyable for most part .. But things written for pure conveience and changing the world with silly childish humor and things not matching up made it hard to keep brain off.. Seeing how hard peole shilled.. including ones I expected to be critical.. really annoyed me.. and I'm not even a Huge Lore fan or anything.

[@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove]

Is Amazon just trying not to offend their Chinese sellers?

[@Ronin_72]

Perhaps, IMO the stupidest thing is vaults 31,32 ,33 being 10s of miles (if that) from the cathedral and being intact. On top of that 31 being the head of vault tech. The master would have foiled their plan. Despite his ego, he is extremely inelegant, if anyone would out smart vault tech it'd be him.

[@TheImapotato]

FFS, I think I know the ghoul drug...it is the same drug that Benjamin Brown in your chat was taking COPIUM.

[@JezaGaia]

So buying the cold fusion tech and not developing it pre-war makes total sense. If cold fusion is invented then all reasons to go to war stop and they can't sell vaults anymore. However that's short term strategy because the immense energy they could make with cold fusion would also grant them a huge productivity in many other sectors and until someone else manages to develop the same also would grant them monopoly of the power source. But even if they were actually that short sighted, post bombs it would make sense to develop the cold fusion to help with the rebuilding once they decide to open the vaults and repopulate.And having that amount of energy at their disposal would make them as powerful as gods in the wasteland

[@billjacobs521]

Thing is, if Vault-Tec ONLY dealt in Vaults, that might make sense; but the show explicitly tells us that VT is a trillion-dollar company, an absolutely gargantuan company involved in literally everything--why the flaming hell would they continue to pay for normal electricity instead of using the infinite, nearly free energy they just bought? It would lower the costs of all their business.

[@JezaGaia]

@@billjacobs521 Well sure only they were planning on nuking the world so they wouldn't need any big energy source until they "reclaimed" the surface. Except in the vaults but if they equip the vaults with cold fusion energy then the charade is over because that means the war was not needed anymore and the vault dwellers might wise up to the machinations of the corporation. So best to shelve it until they reclaim the surface based on their crazy scheme. And don't get me wrong l’m not saying it's smart at all. Just that based on what they had planned it can make some sort of sense in a very short term way. Much smarter to make the tech and use it to be the most powerful corporation on earth because you're the one selling limitless energy to everyone and stopped the war by making uranium irrelevant for power production.

[@starbugmechanic5236]

I think that Enclave turret was designed by Harry from Dumb&Dumber.

[@Nobody-lm5gh]

I think some people can't separate the statements "I like/dislike the show" and "The show is good/bad"

[@65firered]

That cuts both ways I have noticed.

[@Turd_Rocket]

That's because most people are idiots.

[@NightOfTheRavens]

Well to be fair it's kinda accepted to assume that the two are interchangeable, you will much more often than not meet people whose opinion on the objective quality of a piece of media coincides with their likeness of that piece of media.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

It’s amazing that people can’t comprehend that you can like crap movies. For example, I’m a huge fan of the Carnosaur series and Critters.

[@65firered]

@@Lobsterwithinternet You wouldn't typically call a movie you like but know is crap as good. The problem is people are calling this show good and great even if we were to assume they meant that they liked it.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

“There was a time were longmen fought together. We are here to fulfill that oath.”

[@SPJJones]

I cry when I think of the Fallout show we could have had

[@bhaktapeter3501]

After killing tweedle dee and tweedle dumb in the chinese falun-gung organ harvesting center she SHOULD have used her science and intell and repair skill to repair mr handy to fix her finger and to become her new companion. That robot would have been the best companion. Also, the scientist should have escaped with light enclave armor- that would explain how he survived the bullets from the turret, and then goosey gets the light helmetless enclave armor when he dies. Also, the scientist should have escaped with a robot that housed the dog similar to the floating baby yoda crib. It would have gave the dog some protection.

[@bhaktapeter3501]

1:57:00 just like how in the new star wars the guy with the knights templar life saver destroys the inside of that elevator when hes mad… and the 2 spaceballs keep walking when they notice. Embarrassing baby rage aka rage-B = a raging baby

[@bhaktapeter3501]

1:31:40. The roomba brain stuck behind the mop did all the cleaning. Mr roomba did a good job vacuum cleaning the brain splatter off the ceiling

[@nikkiderringer]

I've never played any of the games unless Fallout Shelter counts. I'm not sure if it does or not. But I really liked the show

[@JezaGaia]

So when Lucy asks for a team to go retrieve her dad nobody in any of the 3 vaults know why they were attacked or by whom so they wouldn't think it's a threat to their monopoly on civilization. Also even if they decided to go get hank they would never send a couple of people from vault 33 to do so because it would expose them to the outside world and they would discover the truth at least so far as to the wasteland not being completely desolated and in need of saviors. They might also, like Lucy did, stumble upon other vaults and discover some truths about Vault Tec. So it would make sense to send some of the frozen management guys or maybe they have contacts outside the vault with some team they could send. Might be that Hank wasn't alone when he went for his kids ? This is purely me , nothing int he show indicates vault tec has any topside teams or other contacts to help them mind you but it could make sense. But it they don't the things that makes the most sense is to send people from 31. Maybe if Stephanie had not been pregnant and wounded they could have agreed to pacify Lucy and sent Stephanie with any other vault 31 person, might be another one we don't know about in 33 or they unfreeze 1 from 31 and say they sent help. But then I doubt Lucy would have been happy not being chosen to go so ....

[@rcblazer]

I haven't seen a piece of media so hellbent on destroying the original source material since Highlander: The Source. I'm adamant in my belief that they wrote California into the shape it is in the show because Emil is still butthurt over Fallout: New Vegas' upstaging him in every way. So many little things they get wrong have lasting impact that ruins the whole series. For example: The location of Shady Sands (and it even being called that; it is the FORMER name of the NCR capital! This was true as far back as Fallout 2.) is wrong. It should be further north, closer to San Francisco. It should NOT be in Los Angeles, as that is where the LA Boneyard is supposed to be (and isn't in this TV show, which ruins the lore of the Children of the Cathedral, the Unity, the Followers of the Apocalypse, and Caesar's Legion if the Boneyard has been retconned out.) The serum ghouls have to take daily is a retcon that ruins the ghoul lore in every Fallout game. Not only do none of the ghouls in any game have or use this serum, but some of them would not have had any access to it for days or even years! (Woody in Fallout 2 is sleeping inside a Sarcophagus in The Den with Ananias claiming him to be a genuine mummy from Egypt and charging people to see him, Raul Tejada in New Vegas is being held prisoner by Tabitha in Black Mountain, and Billy Peabody from Fallout 4 is trapped in a refrigerator for 210 years. Even Cooper Howard had no access to this serum being buried underground for as long as he was, and he's from the TV show!)

[@mattgilbert7347]

All I remember of the game was the late 90s one. That seemed cool at the time. Fallout 1. The show draaaggged but I was uncritically attuned for the duration. Now i don't care. A literal anti-climax So it goes. *dramatic turn in Power Armour then I leap away*

[@CabooseAhNotMyFault]

Another point: is the default pip boi mode the geiger counter? i think the one who is wearing it has to activate something to get the geiger counter. so even if they all had their pip boy on, no one would notice because they wouldn't think of checking for radiation (apart from the stupid 3 year thing) and the composer is doing House of the Dragon so he is more than fine, hot d is beloved as fuck

[@CapitalOOpinions]

You would think the radiation detector is always on, the way it is in the games.

[@samwellcheck562]

So imagine you had a fire detector you have to manually turn on and off when you cook, and if something catches fire when you're asleep you just die I guess. That makes more sense that what you are proposing. Gieger counters RIGHT NOW are perfectly capable of essentially passive operation, its just a tube with a voltage applied to it and very simple electronics, and their entire value lies in the fact that radiation is invisible and odorless, thus you can't know to check for it unless you're already aware of radiation in the area... which you can only know by using a radiation detector in the first place. You'd also think checking anything that comes from outside for radiation would be standard procedure considering Lucy instantly makes the connection that radioactive man= raider.

[@wjr3]

Thats besides the point really. Should very obviously be standard procedure to check for radiation whenever introducing foreign elements into your home/vault- regardless of it being another vault, and no matter how good your relationship is with them, and especially if theyve just had a massive issue that caused the death of the previous overseer. So dumb.

[@CabooseAhNotMyFault]

All good points, totally agree, but my point was rather if the show handles it (as stupid as that would be) different than the games, cant remember exactly

[@Scaley_Reptile]

In the games I never seen an option to turn it off.. hence my "Why didn't they go off at entrance"... when you realize they were raiated and bad guys??" After you realize Hank is the objective and have knowledge of that vaults society through Rose.. (you would assume they were partners would tell each other all this..) they would know overseer is one to greet you, and they are all "Cowards who grew up in a vault" and there was NO GUARDS... yet there WAS when sending people out to vault 32..?? Why did Muldavey settle in instead of just hide weapons behind your backs and pull them once door is open?? Why even kill all those people after them eating and sharing with you.. letting you in kindly?? We are meant to believe Muldavers a good guy?? Why did Lucy's detector only go off after all that leading to the slaughter, especially when they DO have guards to stop the guy who chickened out when sending him to vaukt 32 and he didn't want to go... but n o guards as they entered? No Quarantine ?? This show is full of things that are so convenient its like they just pop out of thin air like CONJURATION MAJIC

[@JezaGaia]

I mean for someone who doesn't know anything at all about fallout games, who goes into the show blind and likes comedy and gore I can understand them having a good time. If you take it as it's portrayed meaning not too seriously it has an interesting world, some mysteries to solve, a creative art style and a half decent story. The issue comes if you know anything about Fallout lore at all or if you're looking too closely at the incoherence in the show itself.

[@MAXPAYNE485]

Thanks for this.

[@JezaGaia]

So to be fair I don't think when Moldave hatched her plan she knew the female chose fro breeding would be her girlfriend's daughter. it could have been anyone else after all Lucy was chosen the same day for the role. We have to suppose if there is an application process there are multiple candidates. However I agree that once she knew she should at least have made sure Lucy would be safe. Order her "husband" to sedate her maybe and hide her somewhere safe.

[@thefinalboss2403]

Just checked the actor who plays max to see what other things hes been in... Eeesh.

[@65firered]

What other things has he been in?

[@Turd_Rocket]

​@@65fireredOh, well, you know there was: ...

[@thefinalboss2403]

Father stu, disjointed, emancipation... it's all bad.

[@65firered]

@@thefinalboss2403 It doesn't help that I haven't heard of any of them

[@Whoyouwishyouwere]

I could've wrote a more coherent story than this lol

[@vorlonanon4055]

What? people should be used to Bethesda putting out crap by now. No tod, it is not a design feature.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

“It just works.”

[@vorlonanon4055]

@@LobsterwithinternetYea, that's his usual copout. Maybe he should ask all those people that prepaid for all his bad and broken games. Microsoft needs to remove him and the writer. I know the writer has been there since 3 but he was never part of the GOOD ones. My problem is people have been conditioned by "TOD" to accept garbage.

[@RichardPFranklin]

A golden rule of planning: if your plan relies on too many variables you can't control, you need a new one. But the screen writers are incapable of basic reasoning, so they can't ask any relevant questions. For instance, why bother with plans if they involve a ton of variables you can't control, including those that may lead to failure straight away, and give you no predictable outcomes?! Raiders kill Lucy and/or Hank, Moldaver's plan fails. If a planned sequence of events is indistinguishable from the one guided by pure chance, everyone involved looks dumb and irrational. And that's what see. Vault-tec, Moldaver, Hank, the BoS, vault dwellers, no one makes any sense. The show is a glorified fanfic written by a kid who has no idea how the world works and why we do certain things a certain way. Most people grow out of that simplistic mentality as they mature and gain life experience, but some never do.

[@Dreadnaught1Aw]

No bad tactics, only bad targets.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Said like a true partisan.

[@Dreadnaught1Aw]

@@Lobsterwithinternet that’s the correct phrase he was looking for from Hasan I think

[@adamstone3318]

When did the ghoul specify he fought the reds?

[@Turd_Rocket]

In that one episode (I don't care enough to recall which) in flashback where he talks to that one guy from Vault-Tec who never shuts up, that dude mentions he made power armor which the cowboy actor says was flawed and got a lot of soldiers killed when he served in Alaska. He alludes to this again in the episode where he kills all of the Brotherhood of Steel people.

[@adamstone3318]

@@Turd_Rocket fair enough mate, he says it at the start of episode 6.

[@carlosdelfino3589]

pretty good structure until the end, nice interaction with the chat,,,, great stream !!! well done.. i have but one small disagreement-- buying up patents and vaulting them is ABSOLUTELY a thing. You see you are not dealing with ppl that want money.. they litterally make it or invent it out of the blue-- it is not the money they want .. it is the control and the power. And they have it all set up, they dont want to make a new infra-structure-- its already there--its quite a real problem, bc in our own world, the clean energy solutions everybody wants to talk about all of the time ,, exist in the same way-- in vaulted patents-- but thats never talked about.. that would be subversive

[@billjacobs521]

Eh, I've never seen any evidence of much of that. The potential for profit is far too great, and if you don't make use of newly-developed tech, someone else will develop something similar enough to get the job done without violating your patent (and patents only last 7 years). Plus, the whole show specifically says that money is the goal, so...

[@JezaGaia]

The writing is so stupid at times that I might be giving them too much credit but I don't think Moldaven is the one who told vault 32 anything. I think there are other possible explanations : I think any inquisitive person would be very curious about the famous vault 31 that's said to have better resources and sometimes sends people over but never takes anyone in contrary to 33. They might also get suspicious when putting 2 and 2 together and seeing that vault 31 people always are in charge. Talking with exchange people from 33 they might discover it's in fact the same there. It would also make sense that Vault 31 people being prewar and not real vault dwellers having grown up in the vault would have some strange behaviors, miss some cultural clues or not know some basic realities of life in a vault. Once suspicion is aroused who knows what happened. You could imagine that person getting close to the overseer or any other vault 31 person and manage to get some information that way. There might even be some documents, some 31 person not too smart who writes a journal or something. From there you can imagine blackmail to get the truth or maybe they simply get to a conclusion on their own, conclusion that can be close to the truth or even completely mistaken but still put vault tech and/or 31 in a very bad light. Another possibility would be someone from 31 feeling guilty about what happened or maybe they're unhappy for whatever reason, they wanted a better role, they wanted to be left in stasis until vault tech had regained control of the wasteland and not be stuck in a vault or whatever other reason you can imagine and they tall the truth either to alleviate their guilt or to seek revenge. The fights could be explained by a group refusing to believe and defending vault tech/31 while another group is outraged trying to get to 31 to have it out. Maybe even some just want the truth and go to 31 for some answers. As you can see there are many ways to explain why 32 rebelled without including an outside source. Also if the 3 annual exchanges have been going on since the vaults were created the schedules have to be very well established. It's perfectly possible that Moldaven knew when one would take place and used that window of opportunity thinking to subdue or kill 32 just before the exchange and use that as an opportunity to enter 33. Of course why she would need such a convoluted plan is very strange but maybe using Rose's pipboy to enter 33 directly might have raised an alarm because she was from there and is supposed to be dead ? Maybe she hoped 32 would be easier to get into ?

[@sillyraccoon121]

Get that jelly mold outta here!

[@666flic]

IMDB is owned by AMAZON!

[@bhaktapeter3501]

3:49:50 plot power armor!

[@bhaktapeter3501]

They couldn’t come up with a better name then Philadelphia? (Filly) ??? I guess its a kensington district reference…in north philly. Great place… kensington…. Lol

[@billjacobs521]

I thought that, maybe, it was a landfill that people started living in, since it was full of scraps to use, and so became "Filly." I don't think that's int he show, that's just me guessing.

[@brettm1349]

One thing that I believe is worth pointing out with Maximus is that he is not trained or experienced in the use of power armor. He appears to have a great deal of classroom knowledge about it but no practical knowledge. This is because he is still an aspirant, another oddity of the show that adults have not been segregated into squires and clerics to train in the specific roles they will perform. It would be as if a person who had only read the manuals for firearms but had never touched one was handed an M249 and a belt of ammunition and told to load it and suppress the enemy. Most likely we would see something similar to what we see with Maximus, limited success due to the nature of the tool being used but a far cry of a competent performance.

[@samwellcheck562]

... except that Titus was also utterly incompetent in it. And they retconned the armor into having not one but TWO catastrophic flaws (the one the show is aware of and the fact that any rando can pull out the fusion core and completely disable you) that basically make it a liability more than an advantage. And he's not a medieval knight that needs to make constant, dexterous movements in combat, he just needs to be able to run and aim, but the show made him leave behind TWO perfectly good guns just so he can lose. Maximus not having experience with power armor isn't even in the first volume of problems with his and the Brotherhood's characterization.

[@Turd_Rocket]

That's quite a lot of mental gymnastics there. A simpler explanation is that the show is poorly written with bad worldbuilding and characterization. Fits better too.

[@brettm1349]

There seems to be a misunderstanding of my comment so I will clarify. The show has bad writing and the characterization of the Brotherhood of Steel is incorrect whether you use the original or Bethesda continuity. However the point stands that with what is shown, Maximus not knowing how to properly use power armor makes sense. Also I believe I was incorrect in that the Brotherhood refers to mechanics and technicians as scribes not clerics.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@brettm1349Yep. And not to mention that people like Knight Titus would never have made it to Knight in the actual Brotherhood, or the absence of Paladins among their ranks.

[@monkee5th]

The vaults did have the "swat" armor in the games. Fallout 3 you see it on vault security.

[@Whoyouwishyouwere]

30:00

[@kasperwozowicz]

That is a long one

[@TheRealFatmouse]

Everything is wrong with this show, both from a technical filmmaking perspective and from a lore perspective. By the way the ghoul medicine is idiotic. Who is manufacturing ghoul medicine in this broken wasteland and has a transport network to make sure it is getting to the dispersed ghouls. It makes no sense.

[@alenbacco7613]

My god theres 5 hours of this shit?

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

There's 10 hours if you actually wanted to dig into everything wrong about this show.

[@varynfel]

It has always been an evidence based theory that volt-tec had dropped the bombs first and most likely encourage by the enclave or in collaboration with the enclave

[@TheKindofTiredSleepCantFix]

Except that the Enclave didnt want the world to end because they werent ready to escape Earth yet. The president literally tells you in Fallout 2 that the war started to early.

[@billjacobs521]

Pretty sure it's also been said by the original writers that China dropped the first bombs. Now, it was sort of defensive, as the US was refusing peace and just kept invading into the Chinese heartland, so it's not like the US was just some innocent victim, but the whole point is that everyone was terrible and we have to suffer fo rit.

[@dennyawright21]

I really liked the show. I don’t care to nitpick it. I’m not sure why all the hate in a small corner of KZbin world. Good character development, great visuals, great backstory, great acting.

[@billjacobs521]

Should try actually listening to the so-called "hate" and you'll know; the character development and backstory are absolutely abysmal.

[@TheImapotato]

Trust me, I wish I was not part of the small intelligent corner of the world. Life would be much happier breathing through my mouth, drooling on my shirt and clapping at stupid shit. Ignorance is bliss

[@RorytheRomulan]

I understand. It's a long video. So are those all the reasons for why you like the show? You don't see any inconsistencies at all? You don't see a problem with how Moldaver's actions in episode 1 are never brought up by Lucy or her dad when she finally has a chance to confront her, the impetus for why Lucy left the vault? Tell me, what does the show want the viewer to think about Moldaver at the end of episode 8? The soundtrack and the characters seem to forget that she's a villain. Does it make sense for Lucy to slowly build up trust issues after several bad encounters with people in the wasteland, and not right after her home was attacked, her father was kidnapped, and she got raped by deception? You don't understand why Bud sealing Norm in with him essentially gave Norm complete control and power over his situation, and why maybe Bud should have sealed that door before Norm could walk through it? He just has to threaten to destroy the pods, or drop Bud upside-down on his dome, repeatedly. You don't see how some scenes and payoffs are ruined by power armor being arbitrarily weakened to allow those scenes and payoffs to happen, compared to other scenes? Like when Maximus throws a hunk of rock miles away, crushes a man's skull with his power armor, the same armor Titus runs away from a yao guai in, despite the fact that as a Knight he should know what he's capable of when wearing it? Like punching the jaw off of a yao guai? The show just forgets things that it established in order to progress with a different conflicting premises about characters, events, and behavior of things in the world (like power armor). The raid on the vault could have failed before it even began, if the geiger counters in everybody's pipboys had behaved like Lucy's does after she goes to the surface, and not merely when it is convenient to the script. There are no nitpicks in there, these are all things that break scenes or the entire show.

[@lamilkman1796]

It’s just seems like nothing can be fun anymore it’s always something with these people the get a hole series made by people that actually like fallout and are fans and they just pull it apart because they don’t like changes to a 27 year old game series like yeah they have to change stuff and make the tone more interesting to the normies

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

My feeling is that you don’t have to keep following a series forever. I mean even if someone doesn’t like Fallout now, Wasteland, the inspiration behind Fallout, got two sequels by this point. One doesn’t have to continue the same IP indefinitely. I would know, I have done it with a number of franchises and tried something else.

[@IdleDrifter]

I don't care what the normies want. Changing things within a franchise to suit the tastes of the fictional wider audience makes it boring. The franchise loses what made it unique in the first place.

[@Turd_Rocket]

They don't have to change anything to make it more interesting to normies. You will never be able to form a rationally articulate argument to prove an established IP with a living and invested fanbase needs to be changed. That notion is purely nonsensical. All that said of course, they already have changed Fallout to make it more interesting to normies; it's called Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas, Fallout 4, and Fallout 76. So the show was late on the draw. (Yes, I include New Vegas with the rest of the trash)

[@yinnyonline]

there are a hundred problems with the show even if you discount its connection to the games. this whole stream is a testament to that, which you would know if you'd bothered watching any of it before commenting

[@NightOfTheRavens]

​@@Turd_Rocket Hm, so do you think that New Vegas is trash or not? It's okay if you do, just asking.