Watching Benn Jordan Attempt Brostep

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[@D-One]

He has many valid points, failed baddly because no matter how technical one is, if you really don't like what you're doing it's really hard to grasp the nuances of a genre, the details is what matters so whenever a genre "sounds all the same and basic" to you it means you wont be able to really recreate it accurately for those that are really into it.

[@DarkMetaOFFICIAL]

especially with bass music, it's not normal lol, the patterns are more like vibes you intertwine, such a different way of thinking. that's why the top guys are so good i suppose

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Ben said Dubstep come from Garage and Grime but it didn't, Dubstep come from Drum n Bass putting it at half tempo.

[@beatz04]

I agree. Not a fan of dubstep at all, but then again i wouldn't really try to make a track in that genre for that very reason. It often appears to me that these kind of KZbin musicians/producers treat certain genres as something that has its set rules and thus everyone could replicate a certain style. Yeah, most genres have rules, but you really got to be into it to make it *good*. It's not all just mathematics and paint by numbers.

[@maxriley9356]

@@HOLLASOUNDS nah man it’s a combo of all of those, watch all my homies hate skrillex, it’s a really good video explaining the history of dubstep. the first time the name was used was after the release of murderous style by dub war (benny ill & bill robin) and the people at forward called it dubstep because it was a 2step beat with dub reggae samples/influences. then people like skream and benga and coki and all those dudes made it more halftime. drum n bass helped with the creation of dubstep but it’s mainly garage and 2step that are responsible

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

@@maxriley9356 I was into Grime, and it had nothing to do with Dubstep, TwoStep yes, Bassline was a bit of a odd one it come out of Garage. I wouldn't pay much attention to those official Music styles Documentarys there often talking rubbish in order to sell a story. Most Documentary on Drum n Bass history all say that it come from Jungle when it didn't. Original Drum n Bass was 90 bpm Hiphop drum breaks and loops, dubbed to 180 bpm, and that was it. Nearly all of My DnB has dubble 90 bpm Hiphop drum loops and is 180 bpm.

[@Alckemy]

I think the lesson from this goes into intent behind what goes into the composition. This is actually super common with people that make electronic music because that only pay attention to the drop rather than the theme of the tune. It would be better to take a sample or sound from the drop and use that as the intro to give some indication of the tune having that cohesion as you and the chat mentioned. Making drops really is hard until you get it… then it gets harder. Lol. If all else fails, write basslines in 808s. They fit any genre I also don’t think he had a strong call and response as the main section itself

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

The “intent” was to make a broken beat with a hard hitting sub… which isn’t difficult. Your suggestion isn’t wrong or right, but more of a subjective opinion on how to sequence, of which there are endless possibilities that would/will work in dance music.

[@Alckemy]

@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf don’t look too hard into it lol.

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

I simplified your assertion.

[@chrislawuk]

@@ghfjfghjasdfasdfBeyond the point of salience IMO. I thought what @Alckemy said was revealing and insightful. It didn’t need a corrective nor simplification.

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

No worries

[@morgan0]

the ending of his drop is by far the best part because he seemed to try mixing it into the rest, and thus made it more coherent

[@dansmithdks]

I mastered Mr. Bill's Phantasmagoria album 👋

[@Tritanope]

It’s funny how many people laugh off dubstep & bass music in general when it’s a genre based on sound design, production, and pushing new ideas over anything. It can be easy to make something that sounds generic, but producing an original sounding dubstep song that’s interesting & melodic can be super challenging.

[@talldarkstrangerpr]

Dubstep as far as I am concerned, Kode 9, Burial, Skream, Ruska, and them lot. Yes, I am old.

[@smokesystem90]

His failure to make the drop work goes to show, that you can call it 'baby music' and corksniff all you like, but there's some actual art and thought behind brostep.

[@nilespeshay1734]

TBF, in this video, the 'test' of whether or not the drop worked was one dude's opinion. A more accurate/useful 'test' would take place on a dance floor.

[@dirg3music]

@@nilespeshay1734 I mean, it wouldnt have gone well there either. lol

[@beatz04]

Just because something is not that easy, doesn't automatically mean it's good or art. It can be, but it's not a given.

[@avationmusic]

So baby music isn’t art? :(

[@johnnytacos5529]

Yeah he never bothers to understand what it is he's making, he just goes "oh it's baby music." That lack of respect and failure to understand what he was trying to do is a huge reason why he fell on his ass and made garbage

[@DavidMadeira29]

The drop sounds like wife is out for grocery shopping and what's the lyrics anyway? 'I play Mario Kart, Mario Kart?' Can a dead rocker out run his nephew creativity once passed? How much a trumpet could really cost if nobody in the neighbour is playin' it? I don't know. Namastè.

[@ana303_]

Bro just added 2 diff sample pack construction kit together lmao

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

That’s what most people have been doing since 2010.

[@ana303_]

@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf

[@eaalders628]

the weird part is that he's done dubstep-y things in the past that actually sounded good. Check his hardscrabble album for example, it's quite interesting.

[@meronyach.]

Honestly, it was cool to see Benn giving EDM a shot. It takes a few tries to get right, he didn't do too bad for a first try. Lots of room for improvement though, for sure.

[@timelessmoments]

alright now i wanna see mr bill make it sound good

[@smokesystem90]

Yo, bros, Benn dropped a video so Weaver could drop a video where he drops those drop jokes left and right watching Benn dropping a video about drops. 100% would drop.

[@ram_frog]

Drop it please.

[@TerrorballNoise]

Yo, new @smokesystem90 comment just dropped.

[@invertedlxxk5650]

Sounds like Tipper from temu

[@invertedlxxk5650]

@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf wut

[@invertedlxxk5650]

@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf said it sounds like Tipper from temu...

[@invertedlxxk5650]

@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf lobster

[@Ast3rixMusic]

Benn's drop was a hot ass mess. I was honestly really surprised by how bad it really was honestly. He is a great musician, but I think he now understands that not every genre is right for you and while he was criticizing the sound of the older music in this genre it is not as easy as he thought to make something that works. His song came out like some smooth lofi with a terrible dub drop. He spent 12 hours on this hot mess... I missed that part. OMG that makes it even worse. I give it a 2 it was really awful and hurt my ears.

[@stereokuuji]

Ay, it was a start

[@joblogs9532]

I guess every song u make is a hit

[@understanding77]

Yeah well its not like he was trying to seriously start using drops, it was just an idea for a video, idk why people expected something gamechanging lol

[@joesirco]

That white Tesla looking pretty brostep

[@Linguae_Music]

Tempo changes are more coherent when there is a hint of it before it happens, idk how to explain this... but you can foreshadow it with elements of the first rhythm, like, in a more obvious case: one could go into a polyrhythm, then remove the original rhythm, for one example. Also if the proportion between the two tempos is within a whole ratio, like 3/4 or 2/3 or something, then it can sound much more connected (the polyrhythm example would be a ratio like this, unless you are using weird prime polyrhythms or something.)

[@stereokuuji]

Polyriddim in a nutshell

[@tdtrecordsmusic]

a harsh reminder that most of the time your first works are going to suck. Musically speaking of course.

[@Matthew-.-]

Hot take: Dubstep drops are more heavily influenced by metalcore breakdowns than anything else.

[@fzxfzxfzx]

explains why the two genres can sometimes intersect. beyond the specific sounds the energy is the same

[@meronyach.]

You're definitely on to something. When I'm writing bass or drums, for drops or breaks, I often think to myself "What would a metal musician do?"😂. It's a very similar style of intensity.

[@reismorgan7815]

U got the right notes*

[@fakshen1973]

Noisia "Machine Gun - 16-Bit Remix" is some fine dubstep if you're looking to hear some retro.

[@quantize]

well they do make some of the finest produced electronic music on the planet, and dnb/dubstep is not my jam at all

[@lextron-audio]

I actually really liked his drops and the music

[@unduloid]

Not being able to make brostep is actually a mark of quality.

[@stereokuuji]

Being able to make brostep is a mark of quality...... so in simple terms, eh🤷🏾‍♂️

[@unduloid]

@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf I absolutely love this type of music called "NOT BROSTEP."

[@stereokuuji]

@@unduloid So you like riddim......or maybe trench......or maybe jazz.....or maybe house....maybe you like IDM

[@LaghimaMusic]

i feel like what really does it for me is his drop mes no fucking sense like even the build up is ass plus he rlly doesnt understand the fact of call and response in drops thats like a major part of what makes a drop good like homie didnt understand the assignment at all

[@Theaphextwin972]

I don't even like bass drops because it makes me think of terrible 2010s obnoxious commercial "edm" music I hate the term edm so much it has for me a negative connotation to it

[@slowmotion-songs]

Exactly. “Music is a conversation” - Hans Zimmer

[@OpticIlluzhion]

Oh if you think EDM has a bad connotation you have not heard what IDM stands for

[@dirg3music]

@@OpticIlluzhion i love IDM as a genre but holy shit it has the most pretentious name ever given to a genre of music. lol

[@Theaphextwin972]

@@OpticIlluzhion I also dislike the term idm makes no sense but I prefer brain dance(idm) to edm. Brain dance is the term aphex twin created

[@bassyjay6281]

What daw do you use weaver?? I know it's not FL that's all I know 😂

[@virtuealso]

ableton

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

The DAW is called Live. The company that makes it, is called Ableton. I’ll take two chocolate chip cookies please, k thks.

[@bassyjay6281]

@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf I've been thinking about switching to Ableton, sorry live, but I dont wanna have to start all over again 😔

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

What do you use now?

[@bassyjay6281]

@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf FL, im 3 years in and haven't finished a track🤣 never happy

[@codexstudios]

Welp, Virtual Riot it is not...

[@cratecult]

i guest you also forgot about netscape...

[@robo.2k]

Not fair to pair 2010 brostep with modern day american dubstep lol

[@pukkify]

American dubstep?? Is that even a thing?? You all need to head over to Europa... Where real people live and create GREAT music. 🥳🥳

[@D-One]

@@pukkify I guess it is, brostep. Skrillex basically single handily changed dubstep, at least what most of the worlds thinks dubstep sounds like or is and he is American. Thats why many of the folks into the original dubtsep from UK say he ruined dubstep.

[@unduloid]

@@D-One No, Skrillex did not single-handedly change dubstep. The "brostep" sound had already been developing for a couple of years before Skrillex came along. Stop believing all the marketing hype you're hearing.

[@robo.2k]

@@pukkify Other cultures exist 🤯

[@D-One]

@@unduloid It's nopt "single-handedly" literally man... He popularized it and brought it to the masses, that's what matters to what I was saying.

[@aquaticborealis4877]

Benn is a technical wizard. But this is just not his cup of tea.

[@beatz04]

Either way, shows you that not every genre can be replicated just like that, as much as many KZbin producers pretend they can. Music is not just about technicalities, it's about feel, emotion and musicality first and foremost. If you're not really into a certain genre (i.e., a fan), why would you expect to be able to create a great track in that realm nevertheless ?? It's not that easy, no matter what the genre is.

[@koalemos1679]

The story Mr. Bill tells about the "night notes" really makes me thing. First, I think Benn meant the "right notes" as in you got the notes but you didn't get anything else right. Kind of a dick move in my opinion. Like why, when you're at the top, are musicians still petty as fuck. Like you could just say "Good job bud but here's a few things you could do better" instead of being a pretentious dick.

[@TerrorballNoise]

7 Browshames

[@NedRush]

So basically drops are just porn?

[@yeahthatkornel]

indeed

[@dirg3music]

I know he's using old dubstep references but it's definitely gotten worse with the advent of riddim. Yonk yonk yonk yonk, nonstop. Lol.

[@robo.2k]

Listen to Halcyon instead of Riot Ten

[@stereokuuji]

Bro, Rushdown exists

[@amp4105]

holcyon is so fkn good@@robo.2k

[@jonathanroseii905]

I agree Riddim sucks Please take me back to the good days.

[@RickDrift]

Im not sure what it is, But there is something about Benn Jordan that I find incredibly Unlikable.

[@Gainn]

He donates to the ACLU.

[@artifica0]

Ben came of pretty ignorant in this one

[@DarkMetaOFFICIAL]

😬

[@pukkify]

Weaver is like from Hawaii??? So the only drops he knows is like.... flyysoulja island boys? 🤑🤑 Come to Europa, this is where good shit is created..

[@HankHillspimphand]

You livin on the icy moon bro?

[@VentureNW]

tempo didn't work... sounded more like a mashup, than one song.

[@IntertemporalTraveler]

Don’t quit your day job Benn…

[@jordanrattanavong2655]

lol If he had actually chosen the correct bpm, it would have gone a long way.

[@jonathanroseii905]

Well you must be blind because his FL says 140 at the top. If 140 isn't it what do you think the tempo of dubstep is?

[@jordanrattanavong2655]

@@jonathanroseii905 haha yes. I noticed that afterwards. I do actually have sight impairment and I’m on a small cellular device.

[@EDM-Jigger]

Bro said dubstep is baby music when it's definitely the hardest genre of every genre to make. If you're going to do it the legitimate way, which is make. it's making it from scratch because anyone worth their own weight. in producing dubstep produces their own sounds. and trust me, just to get. at a good level, take you like 10 years of studying. And a lot of dubstep or a debt step use orchestral riding. for their interest. So I really don't see where he's coming at. And bro literally just recorded his base into Edison and then imported it into slice X to make individual samples. When he easily could have Drag the sample into the playlist and use the slip tool to find cool moments. face palm And bro what the hell is This guy doing? Why is he making automation puts within the **** piano? That is by far The worst workflow I've ever seen. It's literally like the guy didn't go and watch any videos on how to. go about. making dubstep at all in fl lmfao Oh, and the only reason drops are predictable and dubstep is because you literally start to fade the drop in. the build up. that way the listener will have that filling up. I already know what to expect when actuality. No, you didn't. You only. I expected that to be in the drop due to the fact that. the build up is starting to reveal how the drop is going to sound. It really does feel like a lot of people who don't like dubstep. and make music. don't ever notice that that's the reason that they expect the drop to sound the way it does.

[@royalcities]

He keeps saying brostep but I think he means Riddim? Its strange to hear Benn looked down on edm when really its some of the most technically demanding genres. Man gets elitist over genres?

[@AveragePicker]

"when really its some of the most technically demanding genres." ...Uh...to be nice about it, that's a pretty strong claim. You can quite literally perform a song while smoking and drinking...not really sure that qualifies as very technically demanding. Except for some drones (Oh Spectrum taping down your keys to go to the bar for 20 minutes)...there isn't really another genre where you can take a break while still playing/performing. ...On the anecdotal side, my roommate made her living in the late 90s early 2000s doing EDM (mostly drum n bass and jungle) but I do fondly recall every time she'd leave for the night she'd say, "off to make some throw away music."

[@royalcities]

@AveragePicker Yeah Id say its a strong claim but Im coming from a mixing and mastering angle. Have you ever seen some of the projects done within glitch hop / virtual riot style? Being able to cohesively glue and create such intricate drops while also managing all of the different sounds and frequencies is VERY difficult. Atleast compares to say more ambiant / free form stuff that Benn puts out. This of course is all anectodtal and my opinion so measuring "technical difficulty" will all be a matter of personal taste and what aspect of music production were talking about.

[@LukeSly91]

Agreed. Virtual riots stuff is out of this world, can't even wrap my mind around htf he does it

[@jonathanroseii905]

@@AveragePicker Ill take shit that didn't happen for $500

[@AveragePicker]

@@jonathanroseii905 I don't know what you're talking about.

[@hTfvmGNrIZ]

the baby music comment is a bit out of pocket. HIS dubstep might sound like baby music.

[@Pro-gressive]

He did qualify it with a he ay disclaimer that he was talking about a small sub section of the genre. I feel like some people just don't get context.

[@hTfvmGNrIZ]

@@Pro-gressive no i am in full understanding of the context i saw the original video before seeing this reaction video. i think finding better usage of language would have been a better move. plus he said he did a ton of research on popular dubstep yet i hear no influences in his drop? youd think he would have tried to break down those songs to figure out what made them popular. instead he went off the rails with some out of time garble and wanted to call it dubstep. like that was his impression of dubstep not his attempt at dubstep

[@nexar13]

Oof, man this was.... Interesting but man, he went about it the wrong way. For someone in his level, he made something from a perspective that's not in the bass music culture. he'd rather do "scientific research" and take the old sound, that nobody been making since 2012 and does it in the worse way possible, even the dubstep on NCS sounds better than this

[@nexar13]

Bro could've went to a producer that has dubstep as their main genre taste, advent listener (like nawtystep), or just watch a tutorial and learn the techniques and what to do and what not to do

[@seedmole]

It absolutely is baby music

[@Keembo_slice]

mid take L in the chat

[@milkshakescigarettes7513]

Yeah, his analogy was actually pretty spot on.

[@aadliafiq]

Called it baby music Refused to elaborate Leave But for real tho if something requires a high skill ceiling to execute is it really baby music?

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

Yeeeeaaaah, and Benn’s elevator music as Flashbulb on Spotify isn’t baby music………

[@chrislawuk]

@@ghfjfghjasdfasdfand it seems like he puts a whole load of technical wizardry, and at minimum know-how, into said baby music which if you think about it is much sadder than people using their technical knowledge to exploit the “wow” response of the listener (that Mr Bill was hinting at when he was saying how he would have done the drop) I mean personally I don’t think either sounds are baby-ish but if Benn is going to be saying that about a genre I love, then I shall say it about his music, which I also love a lot of.

[@HankHillspimphand]

What does night notes mean? Also benn that was really mean. He looked awkward as hell. Imagine you spent 2 days working hard to give you idol somemusic. Instead of no comment or criticism. He said its got the night notes? Wtf……benn i think has a big ego back then AND now yet trys to show he has a tiny ego and is down to earth. You know the type, his political beliefs are the right ones you just to stupid to understand type beat now. Woke hipster vibes ? Oh and i kinda like him so 🤷‍♂

[@AveragePicker]

As soon as someone throws out the word "woke" to describe someone or something these days, you can pretty much ignore anything they've said or are going to say.

[@morpheusonmorphine8985]

​@@AveragePickercry harder

[@AveragePicker]

@@morpheusonmorphine8985 🥱

[@aquaticborealis4877]

What the hell does “woke” have to do with any of this? You sound like a troll.

[@amp4105]

u mad?@@morpheusonmorphine8985

[@GG-zv9ku]

he is so annoying to listen to

[@eren3390]

i‘m honest here, i hate edm so much it‘s unreal…

[@grim-slice6675]

Man hip hop is so cringe, thank god I don’t listen to that garbage, last time I did was like 5 years ago 🤷🏻

[@amp4105]

you hate every single genre of EDM?

[@yeahthatkornel]

Are you a musician? Real musicians don't hate genres.

[@eren3390]

@@yeahthatkornel „real“ musicians. let’s say it like that: i respect people that make the music but it’s nothing for me. sure, certain elements in sound design are amazing, but overall it’s just not my music. maybe i should‘ve make it more clear.

[@chrislawuk]

@@eren3390yeah, your clarification is totally understandable and makes perfect sense. Just thinking about it, perhaps I will be as careful saying I “hate” something in future as I am when saying I “hate” a real person, which I basically never do. Might be pretty hard though, because as a colloquialism saying we love and hate things is pretty pervasive. God, I hate that!! I mean … I understand why we use the verbal shorthand, but personally I feel it robs language of greater and truer degrees of subtlety and meaning.

[@VincentsVideoVisions]

Ive been a fan of electronic music for a very long time and i cant stand this modern crap they call 'edm' and i kinda hate all this modern american bass music... it sounds so cookie cutter and cliche and producers dont have a distinct style anymore. Everyone just downloads the same splice tracks and uses the same vsts and presets... its all so wack and unoriginal. The best electronic music comes out of europe mostly

[@VincentsVideoVisions]

@therealneuraltech I'm not a troll. It's just a fact that the best electronic music (according to my tastes) is mostly coming from Europe nowadays. Sure, there's good stuff coming from the US, South America, Russia, Japan, South Korea, etc... but Europe is killing it and has always been on point. Here in the US it seems like the electronic music scene has become a joke except for certain big cities. Outside of those cities it's mostly just some flavor of dubstep or crap modern bass music and I just don't like that stuff. I'm so fucking sick of dubstep I could puke.

[@jonathanroseii905]

@@VincentsVideoVisions RIddim is the worst thing to happen to dubstep. It was bad when Skrillex was the face of dubstep but Sonny is actually a pretty good musician and I didn't quite hate his music. Riddim makes me want to fill my ear holes up with concrete.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

I'm UK and I can tell you that the birth of Dubstep had absolutely nothing to do with Garage or Grime. Dubstep came out of Drum n Bass where you would have a half time tempo drop going into the drop. Dubstep was this half tempo DnB that became it's out thing.

[@BuiltbyFellony]

Jungle informed both garage and drum and bass and all three are progenitors to Dubstep. To say Grime had nothing to do with it is dubious at best, especially the earlier dubstep before the halftime style was popularised. Artists like MRK1, Horsepower Productions, Team Shadetek etc

[@boulevardsound5137]

Really not sure about this one. There's plenty of Dub/reggae from the 70/80's that was clearly influential of early dubstep. Jungle artists were actually sampling and speeding up old dub in many cases. Halftime Dnb....drumstep. Good times.

[@beatz04]

First off, that song was more of a House track than Dubstep. Also, how is Dub-/Bro/Whateverstep still a thing ? Where i live (Germany), i don't know anyone listening to that stuff anymore. Rightfully so imho, Dubstep is so limited in terms of sonic variation, it really sounds outdated nowadays.

[@stereokuuji]

I recommend Halcyon, Rushdown, and these guys who are really low-key, Neoluminum Especially, Neoluminum because they do a variety of different sub genres from dubstep to future garage Hell, their recent compilation had an IDM banger

[@derekcarney]

Tempo changes worked in Deee-lite's "Music Selector is the Soul Reflector" and especially in "Bring Me Your Love" kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXPIiIRufbSYrpo . Also, Ramjac ft Mixmaster Morris "Massif" was an underground classic that shifted tempos geniusly kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKSnZIB8isSZa68 .

[@derekcarney]

And in non-dance music I'd say The Beatles' "A Day in the Life" is a great example where it works perfectly. Also, Frank Black's "Los Angeles" kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKavnZ-ErsucftU and The Stone Roses' "Standing Here" is just a beautiful change of key, tempo, and mood. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXbGnn59ZtZshc0