Is WONDER WOMAN Just a Myth? Or...is this a TIME LOOP?

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[@PhatGirlLuvr68Comix]

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[@dadeleemurphy85]

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[@JBZ007]

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[@ItsOver9000Productions]

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[@themadtitan7603]

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[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

Here's a plausible explanation. Wonder Woman goes back in time to the Second World War and stories about her circulate like those of the Angel of Mons after the First World War. DCAU William Marsten hears the stories and invents her _as a comic book character._ Girls grow up with Wonder Woman posters because she has a comic book about her (fictional) adventures. Lois Lane is referring to the _fictional_ Wonder Woman. When Diana finally shows up on the scene, everyone just assumes she was inspired by the comic to take up the mantle of Wonder Woman.

[@rikudoubapeck]

Love this explanation.

[@SamLemont]

Honestly, this is the best explanation.

[@CorbCorbin]

She's the woman who got William and his wife into bondage, and "free love", before moving on. Have you seen that movie? Pretty good.

[@erikaatayde8919]

Also, none of the leaguers would've read the comics or know about her, because John read a different comic about the Justice Guild and the others were not into comics (but Kyle Rayner would probably already know Wonder Woman as a character!)

[@nickpellegrinoconnors7888]

in Superman: The Animated Series episode "Blasts From the Past Lois Lane was foreshadowing Diana Prince / Wonder Woman

[@redcoonie5114]

Mini Theory : I think the Justice League fighting in WWII might have inspired the comic publishers to make the Justice Guild because of all of the stories the Surviving soldiers told after the war.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Jacob 1290 Definitely plausible. Nice one!

[@Deception975]

They explain it within that episode that the creators were most likely subconsciously aware of the other universe. Thus, where they got the ideas from.

[@NIDELLANEUM]

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[@luiszuniga2859]

@@dcauwatchtower If "Wonder Woman" is just a generic mock name for Lois, like: Super Woman o Awesome Woman

[@foldabotZ]

@@Deception975 It could also be both, though. The writers were inspired by the time-displaced WW2 JL to make such comics in the first place and the being subconsciously linked to another universe is what fed them the ideas of the Justice Guild.

[@AnyMe223]

There's one other possibility you have not considered: Hypolita got the armor, she was Wonder Woman for, let's say a few years, and then, disgusted by the world of men, she went back to Themyscira and issued the law that prevents the Amazons from ever being kinky (at least with a guy, there's no telling what happens in those baths). Being as old as she is, this can have happened 200 years ago, or whatever other number you want to think of. Timed passed, and the legend of _the Wonder Woman_ started to seem a little far-fetched, since nobody had ever seen her. degrading eventually into an urban myth, or an old wives' tale. Maybe saying "Yeah, and I'm Wonder Woman" now carries the same weight as "Sure, when pigs learn to fly" or something like that. There's no need for a Justice Society to have ever existed, neither for the other members to know of her, or to be extremely old. It can also explain why she adopts the name Wonder Woman: a. She heard it from her mother when she had her run. b. People gave it to her in reference to that urban myth. c. Another leaguer suggested it to her for the same reason (probably Flash, hoping she would find that flattering and do him, but he ended up getting a "Seems fitting, thanks" since she had no idea of the legend)

[@MythopoeicNavid]

Not necessarily Hippolyta, but there could easily have been other Wonder Women. And no I do not mean [SPOILERS/REDACTED].

[@Dungeonstone]

The Heroes of the '40s were often referred to as "Mystery Men" rather than "Super Heroes". I think that this may imply that they were more of an "urban legend" sort of thing than out in the open. So there ~may~ have been a "Justice Society" that avoided headlines and met in secret leaving only rumors and second-hand stories being circulated about their existence. This would tend to explain things like Jay's helmet appearing in the Central City Flash museum, the references to "more reports of costumed super men" from the episode "The Savage Time", Etc. Hypolita ~may~ have been a part of that group leaving the island to help during the war and then later returning to Themyscira after the war ended. As to the age issues of characters being "too old" if they were active in the 1940's, that was addressed several ways in the comics. At one point as a group, the JSA members were exposed to a form of "temporal radiation" which supposedly slowed their aging. Individually... Alan Scott's aging was slowed due to the "magic ring". Jay Garrick aged more slowly due to his superspeed/speedforce powers. Wildcat had "9 lives" of which at least one was spent bringing him back to biologically be in his mid-40's after he died of old age. Fate... Kent Nelson was essentially immortal so long as he was Dr. Fate.

[@RM-cn8pw]

I can’t say I knew that about Wildcat

[@barryscott9590]

The reason Wonder Woman got remembered but the others didn't because the Flash, Green Lantern and Hawk Girl (reincarnation) were just too similar to the JSA for the soldiers to make the distinction. Flash and Superman were also fast enough you couldn't tell them apart from the JSA members.

[@SciFiFan2012]

johnmburt1960 at the time, no way would it have happened.

[@Pink_Noodle]

@johnmburt1960 I really want a fan comic of that inspiring a hero to defend his neighborhood from crime. There is some serious potential there

[@cameoshadowness7757]

@johnmburt1960 I kinda don't believe that becuase people ahve shown to downright ignore the impact blacks have made happen be uase it either 1 doesn't fit their mind view or 2 wasn't seen by the majoroty and then scoffed at. Could be both. Also he explains a few possible reasons why it wouldn't be spread either.

[@cameoshadowness7757]

@johnmburt1960 Except things like not being seen by the majority also heavily effects blacl folks and could cause tons of divide between though who believe/seen vs those who didn't. It isn't a purely white society thing. Even other blacks ignore the impact of their people if it doesn't fit their views.

[@dannybuckle3763]

Revisiting this, I feel like the easiest answer is that a member of Easy Company or the Blackhawks (more likely Easy Company) was Lois' grandfather and he passed down the legend to Sam, who then passed it down to Lois and Lucy. She was a military folk-legend, and Lois, being a military brat, is familiar enough with her legend from interacting with other military brats that she just naturally assumes that anybody would get the refeence.

[@jturner2577]

That's probably exactly what happened due to the time loop.

[@lewisaino]

Lois in the end saved Superman because of the Lane Lineage

[@vegetafan9922]

"If you're confused...that okay 'CUSE SO AM I!!!" That's me when I'm explaining comic continuity to a new reader.

[@projekttaku1]

that's me when I first started getting into comics

[@ianfinrir8724]

This is going to be a long story. You might want to get some snacks.

[@TheComixkid2099]

In the Savage Time, as soon as the League show up in the past, one of Vandal Savage's cronies mentions "more" reports of costumed super-men. We do know that Spy Smasher existed in WWII, but this comment about reports of superheroes, before the League showed up in the past, makes me think there were other superheroes besides Spy Smasher at this time. I suspect that Hippolyta did leave Themyscira at one time and fought evil in man's world, but was not part of a Justice Society.

[@dcauwatchtower]

TheComixkid2099 Could be. The report of more costumed heroes happens after two scenes of League involvement I believe, meaning Savage’s Nazis saw the League a couple times already, so they could have reported on them the first time as well.

[@CorbCorbin]

Watchtower Database They also went back in time other times, like the Old West episode. So there could be myths of other time travels, and Heroes that were very briefly active, because they died or were hurt, or left the planet, etc.

[@foldabotZ]

@@CorbCorbin The Wild West time travel bit, which was part of the "Once and Future Thing" episode in JLU, technically did not happen by the end of the episode. Batman reprogrammed Chronos' time belt to put him in a loop at the moment he was supposed to leave the future to go to the Watchtower in the 21st century, thus he never travelled to alter the past in the first place. Batman and GL are back in the Watchtower cafeteria as if the whole thing did not happen, they're the only ones who remember, and Diana joins them at the table with no memory of the event as it never technically happened.

[@richardschneider7629]

I actually have a fan theory about the inconsistencies with the tie in comics. Stories that can fit in with no problems take place on Earth 12(the main DCAU) while those that are later controdicted take place on Earth 50( before the Justice Lords took over).

[@dcauwatchtower]

Richard Schneider Nice. Earth-12 isn’t exactly THE DC Animated Universe (as we will explore in a later video), but is very, very similar.

[@prinzessinugk1279]

@@alexlemonds2838 Confirmed!

[@CrashJetTech]

Here's a thought. What if it goes back even further? Perhaps Hippolyta used the armor during the time of ancient Greece, and that got transcribed into myth like the other gods and heroes. So when Lois Lane says she's Wonder Woman, it's a mythological reference, like someone saying "Look at me, I'm Hercules!"

[@NeutronicalGaming]

It's a shame the writers will never be able to satisfy the psychopathic lust for details and precision only a true fan can demand, i wish you well..... good luck!

[@DustInTheWind64]

Interesting idea but I don't see why a hypothetical Hypolita Wonder Woman would need an entire JSA to support her existence.

[@projekttaku1]

because then who's secretary would she be?

[@markshaw5038]

In the jsa comic, its revealed that a magic spell gave Wildcat nine lives. Besides making him very difficult to kill, it retarded his aging. While almost ninety his physical age was around fifty.

[@projekttaku1]

"the big blue berry with an s on his chest" this is the best summary of superman ever

[@Ahmed-DB]

OR OR OR Lois just made up that name like she made up "Superman" "Wonder" "Woman" Like even if the soldiers remembered her, why'd they call her wonder woman? Why not super woman? Or any other super-wonder name thingie AND That Supergirl poster isn't of wonder woman, just some earthly heroim

[@dcauwatchtower]

Superman seems to be worried about Lois using that name, as if he’s aware of the name or at least the idea of what it means.

[@Ahmed-DB]

@@dcauwatchtower nah he's just like "who tf is that" But that's just an opinion Nice work, new subscriber! Although I'm wondering how I only just found you now

[@PrestonK_Productions]

The time travel explanation is certainly the explanation with the least holes and really just works. It'd also make sense why Lois Lane knows about Wonder Woman because after she met Superman she may have started doing research on super people and ended up interviewing Steve Trevor.

[@DyslexicGamer]

If wonder woman was formed from mud then what would her DNA look like? Would she even have any? If you zoomed in to look what would you just see mud? These are the kind of questions that bug me for years…

[@EllieGabalus]

Read Wonder Woman (2016) and insert that somewhere in the dcau. Solves everything.

[@elijahdavila3684]

It's god/magic stuff. I'm pretty sure it's just like turning people to stone but in reverse. Just mineral to dna instead of dna to mineral.

[@Doctor_Odin]

Her being created from clay is a reference to the origin of humans in the Greek Legends

[@ALLSTAR5498]

Nubia the Wonder Woman is pretty much that, just with “dark clay”

[@codybaggett5329]

She was transmuted from clay to a living thing so she has dna, but is she genetically related to the people who formed her, or is she her own blood line? I personally believe that she really is hades' genetic daughter and that's why she looks so much like him and why she's more powerful than the average amazon.

[@PitchBlackLaser]

Why the Flying F* is Shrek in this video? XD 05:17... Shrek now part of the DCAU CONFIRMED!! XD

[@codymosby3650]

BlackLaser He said all-star, as in smash mouth

[@NovastarDoughnut]

i like to imagine that the JLA going back in time does 2 things. the soldiers coming home write fiction about super people they saw during the war, spawning characters like the grey ghost and the justice society of america and rumors of a wonder woman. thus inspiring the older generation of heroes, like wild cat and possible legacy heroes to start being superheroes.

[@JacobyJ56]

Is Terry McGinnis's brother also Batman's son?

[@ziul6489]

The DNA of Terry's dad was rewritten to be Bruce Wayne's,so every son he has is gonna be a Batbaby

[@dcauwatchtower]

#keepepilogueasecret

[@CorbCorbin]

Alex Lemonds Ha Ha! 😂 Nice

[@CorbCorbin]

Espectro Dude! That's a big spoilsky! Delete this comment. It's maybe the biggest spoil in this universe.

[@CorbCorbin]

Alex Lemonds That would be a cool, little connection. I don't remember Lois's mom's name.

[@adjacentfilms2244]

Personally, I still wish they gave Wonder Woman her own show before Justice League. But i won't argue against her episodes being awesome in JL and JLU!

[@PosthumanHeresy]

My headcanon for the entire situation is that it works on Metaverse rules. The universe just kinda coped with the changes to the timeline and so things were similar enough that the characters that remembered things beforehand didn't immediately notice the changes... but we've seen the timeline from the point of view of history as it became after those events, even though Vandal Savage sending a laptop back in time when he knows it fails is a paradox, because the main universe of a DC multiverse can just kinda cope with that sort of thing, because it was sent back in time in the previous timeline. From the POV of the heroes, they have a stable time loop, but it started from the timeline that existed before said loop began and only remains because the universe needs it to stay in place for the purpose of keeping the timeline from being damaged. The prior versions of the timeline are split off into their own universes (Convergence multiverse rules), so Earth-X is out there as a timeline where the League never shows up and the first version of the DCAU where the League didn't exist in World War 2 at all is still out there. I'd even posit that these changes are responsible for the timeline differences in the Justice Lords universe. The Justice Lords universe is actually the timeline that started this mess. So, the series of events is thus: Justice Lords form -> Justice Lords travel back in time while still heroes and do the events of the episode -> they arrive in their present, their past oddly unchanged because... -> To cope, the metaverse pops the Justice Lords universe off into a seperate universe and pulls a Flashpoint and edits the Metaverse (just like what happened when New Earth, then the Metaverse, was replaced with the N52 when Dr. Manhattan exploited Flashpoint), this being the DCAU we've followed from the start (where the myth of the Wonder Woman, the Superman, the Green Lantern, the Hawk Girl and the really fast guy exists due to these events) -> to maintain this timeline, the universe has the now Justice _League_ end up doing the same time travel and kinda sorta taking the place of the Justice Lords, with the only change being the team name -> They arrive in their present, the timeline seemingly no different than how it was and creating a stable time loop which thus ensures that it still functions correctly. As far as I can tell, this follows the rules of the main DCU's multiversal metaphysics, despite causing my brain to itch a bit. As far as I can tell, this mirrors the events of Flashpoint, where Barry leaves New Earth and ends up in N52 Earth despite the logical paradox that's required for him to have done this within the timeline of N52 Earth. He both already did everything and didn't at the same time, because the version of him that did it originally is a distinct entity and yet he still did it in the new timeline too, despite this not working logically because the events would go differently with N52 Barry in New Earth Barry's place. Plus New Earth Barry was the resurrected Earth-1 Barry who died before the Crisis rebooted everything because he died fighting it and became one with the (speed) force, but he wasn't the Earth-1 Barry upon resurrection, he was the Barry of New Earth, a world which can still partially remember the Crisis (in broad strokes, and without being aware of the massive changes in time) despite not even existing at the time of the Crisis's beginning and also Barry of New Earth being dead in the (very recent) history of New Earth at the time New Earth was born despite the fact it wasn't the Barry of New Earth that actually died in the Crisis.

[@matthewziemba7526]

The big blueberry with the S on his chest might be my favorite nickname for Superman! 🤣

[@BoneCrusherXD]

Am I the only one, at least in the context of the DCAU took the whole molded in clay thing to be a complete metaphor?

[@Prathik1989]

holy shit lois is wonder woman.

[@thenationaltimelyactionhou9328]

“My ring doesn’t work against aluminium!” - Green Guardsman

[@leandrod.martins1437]

Long story short: "Ever noticed how Wonder Woman was mentioned before meeting the league for the first time...yeah well, she time traveled so now people know about her."

[@zyaicob]

Long story short considerably shorter: "You know how much I hate time travel"

[@captainawsomeist]

Susan Eisenberg *is* Wonder Woman! At least for my generation. Just like how Lynda Carter is the Wonder Woman of my mother’s generation. I love the portrayal of the character in the show, just as much as I love the comics!

[@macoy3943]

The Hawks could have existed in WW11 because reincarnation Maybe a version of the JSA exist and fight in WW11 with like Alan Scott? Jay Garrick? A Hawk person? Dr Fate? Spectre?

[@sawysauce1256]

The idea of the heroes going back in time, fighting and retroactively inspiring there younger selves is such a cool idea, I’ve only ever seen this played around with in one other series JJBA season 4

[@projekttaku1]

in part 4 that wasn't josuke. His clothes are different and how he time travel?

[@NIDELLANEUM]

2:45 I just love it when random throwaway lines end up causing continuity issues. I remember when Monster University came out, and the director was even considering *cancelling* the movie because the original one had a throwaway line which implied that the two main characters have known each other since they were kids. Or how the second X-Men movie has a blink-and-you-miss-it cameo of "Hank McCoy" on TV, which could imply that Beast became a Mutant before that moment, but then the prequel movies established that he was already Beast by the 1960s, so they had to come up with a special serum simply to justify that one blink-and-you-miss-it moment. And then, let's not forget how Static Shock had the infamous "even Clark Kent has a day job" line, which had to be cut after it was established that this show takes place in the DC Animated Universe, so how exactly would they know that Superman is Clark Kent?

[@AnyMe223]

21:13 Well... If you took MoS as part of the DCAU canon, Lois would need to be at least an Amazon to keep up with a freaking invulnerable alien, while tanking alien weapons and so on, as she does in order to appear in every other scene. Taking that into consideration, yeah, there's merit to that theory

[@TJFicarrotta]

I’ve got the perfect solution to this whole thing. DON’T TAKE IT SO SERIOUSLY! 😂🤣😂 Good video. I like the explanations you gave. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 I have them all downloaded and am binge-watching them from start to finish during our self imposed isolation. There’s only so many times one can rearrange the furniture in their apartment.

[@dcauwatchtower]

I can’t not!

[@grinreaperoftrolls7528]

About that clip where superman hugs batman, and batman just looks dead inside. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT EPISODE THAT’S FROM 😂

[@dcauwatchtower]

Justice League, “The Savage Time, Part 3.”

[@robinhyperlord9053]

I read it as they showed it...

[@frogmouth2]

When you realize this is no longer a theory about Wonder Woman

[@michaelf9664]

I'm surprised you didn't mention that the show never reveals when Diana first gets called "Wonder Woman". Batman first uses it deep into the first season (I think "Fury") and it's basically like it's been used. She's just known as "Diana" the first several episodes. Either the "Savage Time" or Hyppolita (sp.?) theories work with that. It easily could be that someone recognized either her or her outfit from the past and ran with it... Of course, the whole Lois Lane comment is totally a meta trope, but this is much more fun.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Oh yeah, always been weird that Batman calls her that in “Fury” with no real precursor.

[@DnL695]

I have a simple explanation. It's just a continuity error like the one from the beginning of Spiderman Homecoming. But if we insist on giving it some explanation, it might just be that Lois said that but not referring to WW, she meant that she was a Wonder Woman. It's like someone saying "O yeah and I'm a super man" and not necessarily have to be referring to the comics character

[@dcauwatchtower]

I think that kind of works for Superman since a superman or übermensch was a thing before the comic character, but I’m not so sure “a wonder woman” was.

[@TimThomason]

I wonder what happens in the DCAU version of Saving Private Ryan. Does Spielberg stay true to reported history and include random flying superheroes in his D-Day opening?

[@danadiab9910]

I used to be bothered that she was a warrior with almost no armor or anything and then I remember she is not a normal person but a super powered woman with crazy strength.

[@projekttaku1]

yeah

[@AlphaGodzillaBuddies]

Wonder Woman is one of the greatest superheroes of all time. She freed herself from the Thanagarians after Hawkgirl betrayed the Justice League.

[@michaelbrent854]

Hey let talk about Plastic man and Plastic man was mentioned a lot in Justice League so we should talk about that and Ask the Question Why Plastic Man isn't in the Dcau or how he got in. Same with the Creeper(jack Ryder) Why is he in justice League not Freakazoid.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Michael Brent Plastic Man was mentioned once in JLU’s “The Greatest Story Never Told,” but also appeared pre-superpowers in the “Batman Adventures” Vol 2 spin-off comics that take place during JL. Freakazoid is not part of the DCAU, despite being helmed by several of the same producers.

[@michaelbrent854]

Watchtower Database I just bringing him up again up because in Justice League vol 1 vol 10 Batman and The Creeper ( jack Ryder) team up to stop the Madmen who look actually like Freakazoid. So it make me think that Bruce Timm and Paul Dini could make Freakazoid part of the Dcau , but instead we got The Creeper(Jack Ryder)and for Plastic man he should Dc's Deadpool not Harley Quinn.

[@TheCrossSoldier]

Thanks for the video. Continuity can be so confusing at times. Also, I have a question on Wonder Woman. Why did the producers of the show decide that her lasso should just be a special rope at first, and not give it the Lasso of Truth ability until much later in the series?

[@dcauwatchtower]

Dragon Tiger Sword Not sure on that one. Definitely underutilized.

[@adamsandlerbirthedmeinapit4853]

Maybe Wonder Woman’s mother travelled to fight in the Korean and Vietnam Wars. This would explain the creation of the armor and why it was made so patriotically

[@michaelandreipalon359]

1:37-1:40 is gold! 3:35: Wait, this Static Shock fact is new to me. I can say that the JSA don't exist in the DCAU, but Hippolyta surely may have become a Wonder Woman in ancient, imperfectly recorded times, the heroes that could have become the JSA had it been even conceived might have still did their duty as solo acts (with their occasional World's Finest stints), and while the Justice League doing their usual time travel thing in WW2 ensured of a post-war renaissance of comic book superheroism that eventually led to the ascended real life deal (to theirs, at least, not ours for obvs reasons) come B: TAS onwards. Oh and you missed blue eyes. Both Lois and WW have them too.

[@bigdaddymoe1]

Wait a minute. In the justice league cartoon it was "implied" that Hades was her father. In the movie it was "implied" that Zeus was her father. But in the comics she was created from clay. What's the real truth? This sounds like an episode of Maury? Where the DNA test and lie detector test. Her momma slept with somebody.

[@madcircle0165]

Pat Dougan was not a kid sidekick, he was an adult sidekick and then retired

[@dcauwatchtower]

Yep yep, minor goof. Check out our Stargirl/Starman video from a few days ago! Explained it there (even if I did accidentally say Pat was Courtney’s uncle instead of stepdad).

[@madcircle0165]

Watchtower Database that’s something I really like about this channel, that JLU always correct yourself and respond to their messages. Thank you for that

[@avace917]

Something funny I just noticed after watching this a few times. You say that Static says "even Clark Kent has a day job" as Richie is on screen saying it. Great video. You guys are incredible.

[@williamholtzclaw3029]

the truth is that Lois is actually wonder woman and only pretends to be a journalist so she can hear about disasters as they happen and then squeeze Clark out of the byline

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

3:35 he looks like "it WAS me, Barry, I WAS in DCAU, and you wasn't"

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

2:49 "B-but L-lois?! W-what are you saying?T-this is time paradox!"

[@onbearfeet]

Wandering in 6 years late to drop my two cents. Many years ago, I worked as a ghostwriter on a memoir by a D-Day veteran. He wanted to get his war stories down on paper for his grandkids in case he died before they were old enough to hear them. During the writing process, he pulled out his mementos (some quite grisly) and told stories he claimed he'd never previously discussed with anyone who wasn't there. Some were sad, some were horrific, and some were frankly hilarious. From this experience, I present two datapoints: 1. Based on his detailed recounting of (apparently) every pretty woman he saw in France, Wonder Woman would definitely have stood out to the men who saw her, and 2. Some true war stories honestly make better fiction than anything else. The guy had a completely insane story about a stolen ham that wouldn't have been out of place in a screwball comedy film. It didn't take much prodding for me to turn the story into something that got passed around his office for laughs. What if an encounter with Wonder Woman were fictionalized by one of the men who encountered her? Supergirl's poster could be referencing a film adaptation. Lois could have seen a TV show in her childhood. And when an obvious newcomer appeared, innocently calling herself Wonder Woman (or even getting the title applied by a press that had grown up on the stories), well, nobody wanted to hassle her. (I sure wouldn't want to hassle her.) Just a thought.

[@luiszuniga2859]

If Wonder Woman is just a generic mock name for Lois, like: "Super Woman" o "Awesome Woman"

[@macoy3943]

There's a line in Savage Time where Vandal Savage gets a report of the JL's adventures and he says "Another Report Of Costumed Heroes With Magical Powers."

[@jameszetterman4487]

Thanks, now I really want to see a Wonder Woman/Little Mermaid crossover.

[@mrheroprimes]

i personnel view the animated universe comics as canon, i have some example i the batman and robin adventures comics introduced deadman, in issue 15 of the batman and robin adventures we are introduced to Deadman/Boston Brand the acrobat for the Haley's circus and there was a attempted made on his life, luckily Richard garyson saved his life. how ever a couple of years later (this is from batman Gotham adventures issue 6) when Haley's circus returned to Gotham, Richard got a chance to preform along side Boston Brand, however this time Boston Brand did in fact end up dead at the hands of the man with the hook who at the end of the issue Deadman possessed him and made the confession for the murder of Boston Brand. what i find interesting is in the JLU episode Dead Reckoning "Batman vouches for Deadman, having met him before while helping to solve his murder." witch was a reference to Batman Gotham adventures comic issue 6 were batman did in fact solve Boston Brand murder. i know there are things that can be noted a not canon such as The Batman Adventures (October 1992 - October 1995) (during batman the animated series, issue 25 is not canon do to the later released superman the animated series) and Justice League Adventures(January 2002 - October 2004)(issue 20 was retconned do to the league founders not knowing each other secret identity until starcrossed and issue 33 is not canon do to Felix Faust make an appearance due to the fact that his soul being trapped inside Tala mirror at the time) Justice League Unlimited (November 2004 - August 2008) in Justice League Unlimited issue 19 it was revealed that wonder woman still had some of her memories of traveling back in time to the old west, because diana,Vigilante and Elongated Man. accidentally sent them selves back in time to the old west teaming up with Jonah Hex, El Diablo, Bat Lash. i think get sent back in time may have caused Diana to remember the events of Once and Future thing part Weird Western Tales, i do not think she remembers traveling to the future because that was when she got erased from history.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Robomerc Truth be told, there are PLENTY of issues of the tie-in comics that could be easily considered canon. The majority of the JL and JLU comics, however, contradict the animated series in one way or another.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Matthew Washburn *Strecker

[@ACoroa]

"Once and Future Thing" can explain this. David Clinton called Diana Wonder Woman in Jona Hex's time. The sheriff heard it and that's how she became known before the others. Neither Green Lantern nor Batman were mentioned in the past. After the mission ended, GL still had his head injury even though time restarted before he went on the mission meaning there were affects on the original timeline. Therefore, WW was known as a legend when Lois mentioned it.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Not a bad idea. However I’d say the timeline itself was restored, but GL and Batman weren’t. They remember everything, therefore are part of that continuous timeline still. Everyone else reverted back, but they didn’t, so that’s why John has his cut.

[@zz-nc2ug]

John Stewart off doing who knows what 😂

[@jimsorensn4330]

Very simple. Classified information while the JSA fought in WWII. Then disbanded after the war ended

[@n1hondude]

New subscriber here, love it. Will you ever talk about the newer Animated Universe? The Justice League War one?

[@dcauwatchtower]

Thanks! We've discussed it a few times on our podcast "12th Level Intellects," and once or twice on our "Trivia Tuesdays" show.

[@ivane5110]

Very cool theorizing. The Justice Guild and JSA mention makes me wonder, clearly there were DC esque comics in the DCAU (going back to at least a Silver Age), So then brings three questions to mind: Did those comics inspire any of the JLA to become superheroes? Did the time traveling JLA inspire the comics and maybe even themselves and, most importantly, what do your doppelgangers of the Justice Guild's universe call their KZbin channel???

[@foldabotZ]

I've been reading the aforementioned 90s run of Wonder Woman comics where Hippolyta became Wonder Woman and time travelled to WW2, effectively retconning the Golden Age Wonder Woman adventures back into the Post-Crisis continuity. I really like the concept and gives a Legacy to Wonder Woman. The idea of DCAU Hippolyta at one point being Wonder Woman during WW2 is intriguing, she doesn't necessarily have to be part of a DCAU JSA. Even though Hippolyta is blonde, based on the Pre-Crisis version, photos during the 40s were still Black and White. So those born after the War were to see old photos of her as WW, they'd think she had black hair.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Blonde translates to black in black-and-white? 🤔 But yeah, it’s a really fun theory.

[@foldabotZ]

@@dcauwatchtower Okay, that's a Plot-Hole I already realized after but if that did happen, I'd leave to you guys to unravel, like the Yellow Batsuit. Love your work!

[@winterberry3412]

I kind of want to see Lois wear Wonder Woman's supersuit.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Hmm... I like this idea.

[@jimsorensn4330]

It's been done in either an old JLA or Superman comic. Clark was dressed as Batman at a costume party

[@blakethebeast3174]

I was also looking at the Legacies of the DCAU Tvtropes page when they name-dropped the website. Weird. How about a mix between the two theories, Hippolyta was active at the time Diana was in the past but not as publicly as Diana and the rest of the League which leads to Diana being the "face" of Wonder Woman and unintentionally getting credit for her mother's actions as well as her own. Plausible?

[@chrisanderson2204]

3:02 Batman Beyond cameo in the top right hand corner

[@dcauwatchtower]

Yep! Check out our “Elseworlds of the DCAU” video!

[@CorbCorbin]

Awesome vid. Fun stuff, and I have so much of your content left to watch!

[@ianfinrir8724]

In the words of The Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past From The Future, this is gonna be a long story, you might wanna get some snacks.

[@chriswheeler3123]

I think there was a jsa but they were possibly more covert than the league themselves, to throw people off the government might have commissioned a series of comicbooks changing the team and team members names just so that if anyone were to mention seeing these heroes in real life they would have been accused of having an overactive imagination maybe. The fact that the guild exist within the multiverse could just be a coincidence

[@redonslaught3019]

The Justice Guild comic Jon Stewart grew up would of been written by one of the WWII solders the time displaced League fought beside. So the artist would of seen them and tells his story when he got home, but his facts would be a bit off so we get things like a Cat instead of a Bat, and additions like a Hermes helmet on the speedster... So i'm thinking they had a Wonder Woman in the comic and Lois could of read them as she bounced around with her little sis and military dad... Note: Wildcat would of then based his costume after the Cat-Man from the comic, then trained Bruce (and the loop continues)... Any stories of Supers in the WWII would be covered up as they were still a rare event. Soldiers would be told to keep quite to protect their country. So it would be plausible nobody knew the crazy war stories their parents and grandparents told them were real, and some may not say anything until their old and people think their minds just going. So JSA happened and its just forgotten (w/ Hippolyta?) to time like the super tech the "Not" Nazis had... JSA are not needed... Easiest fix would be to say the younger looking versions in Unlimited are the first to hold the mantels and not second generation heroes. If this is the case, i would like to say the WWII soldiers the Leagues saved were the non-powered Alan Scott, Jay Garret, Rex Tyler and other JSA members who then raised their children with tales of the heroes that saved them. This in turn would inspire the ones we see join the team... As DC and Marvel always does the mirror thing... In Marvel's Spiderman AMS (90's) the retired Whizzer did the WWII hero Comics... So Jay Garret would do the Justice Guild Comics likely with Alan Scott's help, cause Flash and GL always work well together right...

[@Morninqstar]

OMFG! Ed Asner is the voice of Hephaestus. I just now realized, seen this series like friggin 10 times and I just realized that. He has voiced a lot of dope characters, my favorite is Mr Wuncler from the Boondocks. He was also Hudson in the Gargoyles, I loved the Gargoyles series.

[@nigelwalker6103]

I always wondered if the JSA existed in some form in the DCAU but by the time JLU came along I kind of thought not. However in the comics Wild Cat aged a lot slower than a normal guy so the version scene in JLU could have been around in the 40s and maybe since they feature people like Star Girl etc who were inspired by golden age characters its possible their forbears existed too. Who knows, but we could have a team that was say Starman, Dr Fate, Wild cat and the Hippolyta version of Wonder woman plus a few others such as Sandman and the original Hourman and Black Canary.

[@13AndreFalcao666]

I think it would be WILD to get a feature film in the DCAU in which Hypolita follows a divine mission through the ages of men.

[@TheConnorWing]

Reminds me of that episode of the Flash where cisco mentions the Super Friends and the Legion of Doom. That's... Just. Confusing.

[@gezeo750]

Wife: "Anything crazy happen over there?" Husband/Soldier: "Nah. Just regular ol' World War II." lol That made my day.

[@joeymanus8751]

I wish we had more batman and wonder women moments in more shows

[@deadaccount8054]

I did notice the title change, you can not fool me.

[@matti.8465]

I think a better explanation of why Wonder Woman because she's treated as an angel, so the idea of a beautiful angel coming from above to fight alongside the soldiers is more likely to reach a legend status than a man in a bat costume who just showed up. Not to mention it's more likely for people to believe that actually happened.

[@ItwasmeBarry18]

For your Wildcat problem, what if this was a father and son situation. If there was a Wildcat in the 40s, that had a kid in the mid 40s, then he would be old enough to have a career in boxing in the 70s or 80s, and be as old as he is in the present.

[@bluenitethewarrior9332]

whats that soundtrack in the start of the vid???it sounds so familiar!!

[@dcauwatchtower]

At 0:20, it’s the theme from “Wonder Woman”! (First heard in “Batman v Superman). If you mean before that, that’s soundtrack music from the “Justice League” episode “Wild Cards,” from the opening of the episode when the Joker first takes over TV.

[@bluenitethewarrior9332]

Watchtower Database oh thanks! i knew I've heard it from somewhere( I'm referring to the theme from wonder woman lol)

[@jeremyolivares2021]

I’m guessing it was a mistake but when they realized it they had an epiphany and thought, “this would be perfect for a time travel episode”!

[@dcauwatchtower]

Not a mistake at all!

[@justyouraveragegeek548]

Well if you put it in perspective story pass down of heroes isn't illogical from what we know from legends i purpose that Steve Trevor a high ranking officer would be inspired by Wonder Woman so he could act like The Dcau nick fury to create a covert ops group a like a pre task force x So we have Steve create the society by using similar heroes where talked about say Alan Scott,jay Gerrick being unnamed solider to become agents of the society members So we get legacy hero plus maybe wild cat possibility a new Wonder Woman or not but those stories of the society can be pass down just to family members in to milatry and say isn't the Dcau Lois lane family from the service

[@randomericthings7506]

I think they should bring the Reverse-Flash, or Zoom into the DCAU. It would be interesting to see two opposing speedsters in that universe. I definitely think with the Flash becoming more popular and more well known that the writers of the DCAU should expand more on the lore of their version of the Flash.

[@Batmobileize]

Well they actually DID have a commercial for the "Legends" episode before it aired that had the Justice Society members instead of the Justice Guild: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2fanXagYrWkic0

[@dcauwatchtower]

MisterBatfleck Saw this years and years ago on the Superbuddies message board. 50/50 on whether this was a real commercial or a fan creation.

[@tmhchacham]

13:51 "ok, that sounds perfectly reasonable" and 13:58 "what about Steve Trevor" good job. :)

[@michaelsemenak8878]

Maybe Lois was like I am some sort of Wonder Woman

[@fats69]

Awesome thorough work! I am now a proud subscriber...now to binge

[@killafirecontent]

What is the song at 2:48 I've been looking for it forever 😫

[@dcauwatchtower]

“Frolic,” the theme from “Curb Your Enthusiasm”

[@killafirecontent]

@@dcauwatchtower thanks sm! 😊 Hope you guys release another vid about the comic Batman adventures continues I've been wondering where that series has been heading now

[@dcauwatchtower]

There’s a new issue coming out next month, so we definitely will be!

[@basicking173]

I’m high asf and at like 5:22 I saw the shrek pop up and thought I was tweaking fr til I ran it back 😭😭

[@dcauwatchtower]

Check out our Yellow Batsuit video for another Shrek jump scare 😅

[@Deception975]

I thought there was an episode where Wild Cat talked to Dinah about her mother being the first Black Canary?

[@dcauwatchtower]

Nope! Not something that happened in this universe anyway.

[@justice_productions_]

Supergirl is Wonderwoman CONFIRMED😂😂😂

[@miltonestefano]

Love your channel !! Keep the good word

[@relev6567]

and that's explain the salt/clay statue of superman in the abandonned museum in the batman TAS comics

[@thecowboyofoklahoma5866]

Lois isn't Wonder Woman, but she is Superwoman.

[@amccomics7560]

Myself, I love like the Steve Trevor theory. It fits with the dismissiveness Lois emotes when uttering the line in question.

[@zyaicob]

It's honestly a great theory

[@falleneldor]

My personal Head Canon: inspired by the urban legends of "flash" and "Green Lantern" spread by Easy company and The Blackhawks, Alan Scott and Jay Garrick become those heroes. The Gods takes notice of the race to the Atom bomb (Ares influence on world leaders) and recruit Hippolyta to become "Wonder Woman". Together this trinity creates the JSA during the height of WWII in honor of the time traveling Justice League. John never knew about the JSA because from his timeline, as a kid, he had yet to inspire their creation. The JSA ONLY exist in a parallel timeline skewed into existence by Vandal Savage and the JL. If the JSA is a US/military operation it might just not be public knowledge. Lois being a generals daughter and a reporter has seen some evidence of "wonder Woman" but it's all top secret and not common knowledge. Perhaps Lois gave that poster to Kara or she found it and just liked the "rosy the riveter" like imagery without knowing the whole context. I like this because then it preserves the REAL world history that Superman is the prime cause that effected the creation of the DC universe and why we even call them "Super"heroes to begin with. They are not "pulp heroes" or "mystery men" or "Meta human" or any other later coined term to wash away the influence Superman's debut had on American culture. They are Superheroes because they are ALL inspired by Superman.

[@machadragonii145]

The real reason for wonder woman qoute in blast from the past part 1 in stas is because justice League was there next planned show there was supposed be a fourth season that would've introduce wonder woman like the other crossover's in the series what Lois said was supposed to foreshadow the event but because the series was cancelled and WB wanted shows with young leads that never happened but at least on the plus side we got batman beyond 🦇 and static shock ⚡ and the zeta project 🤖

[@thejedikid7624]

I do not believe that wally west flashback because in that museum we see a kid flash suit implying that there was a kid flash and bruce tim did say if it is on screen its cannon and there's nothing that says that there was someone else as kid flash

[@dcauwatchtower]

Stay tuned for a video we’re gonna do about Barry and Wally to time with the Flash movie!

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

I always wish the writers of DC had come up with her mother being the Golden Age Wonder Woman right after the Crisis. It would've saved all the Golden Age (and maybe even the early to mid-Silver Age) stories.

[@antinocruz4076]

the Shazam of the jsa could have been the wizard and not not billy

[@gourdguru]

that marvin gaye cut at 1:40 caused me to choke on a piece of cheese just now. 😆it was funny, but now i have to google if cheese-lung is a thing and what the symptoms are..🤢