Honestly, despite the positives red sea has, it all goes to waterbox as being better. The reason? Unlike red sea, waterbox doesnt use proprietary parts where your forced to buy only redsea stuff. Waterbox allows more flexibility which is always better.
@Hakanozdemiruk2 жыл бұрын
Allowing proprietary parts and using quality parts are two different things. Waterbox are no way near as quality as dd or redsea tanks. Everyone knows the two companies that spend the most R&D are ecotech and redsea. Even the way the glass is cut and put together by waterbox is not the same
@eegernades2 жыл бұрын
@@Hakanozdemiruk I'd argue against those points. Water box quality is top notch from what I've seen. Used to work at a fish shop and we carried red sea and waterbox. And from working with both systems from different sizes too, waterbox wins I quality every time.
@joelsalazar50663 жыл бұрын
Thank you I just bought a waterbox I was second guessing if I should have bought the Red Sea this helps reassure me.
@TreasureCorals3 жыл бұрын
Great, both are good products. I do like the glass overflow better on Waterbox.
@johnsteitz63104 жыл бұрын
He is comparing an old Red Sea to a new Waterbox. I just setup a new Red Sea 425xl and do not agree with his assessment here. The only thing the waterbox has on Red Sea is dual returns. Leveling was no problem, and Everything else is top notch and better with respect to the sump, removable skimmer plates, and near silent overall operation. They are both wonderful though and I think people will be happy with their choice either way.
@TreasureCorals4 жыл бұрын
Yes, Red Sea has stepped up their game since the last time I've used them, especially on their XL line. Good luck with your setup, you can't go wrong with either.
@delsere70954 жыл бұрын
+1 I have a Red Sea Reefer 250 and the overflow box is glass.
@TreasureCorals4 жыл бұрын
@@delsere7095 I'm glad they've changed it, glass is a lot more practical
@Guacamole444794 жыл бұрын
Red Sea still needs to put a high quality ball valve in there. That they don't is beyond me.
@ronniekregar34823 жыл бұрын
Waterbox has a better stand, better plumbing, and it's crazy how red sea still use a plastic overflow. That glass back is top notch
@-Wreckanize-4 жыл бұрын
Love the glass overflow on the waterbox over the red sea systems plastic overflow. This allows you to use a glass scraper on it, which would otherwise scratch the red sea.
@TreasureCorals4 жыл бұрын
You are right, makes all the difference
@8TamaZ3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this review/comparison. This is super helpful and gives me more food for thought before making my purchase (leaning back towards Waterbox now)
@Jel0XD4 жыл бұрын
So basically waterbox.
@lauraholmes93533 жыл бұрын
Great review but i wanted more!! Would've stayed for at least a 30 minute review! Show us the tank, the sump, the livestock (just cuz). But thanks! I'm in Canada so I hope I can get the waterbox. Seems like a smaller company which puts more care into the quality versus mass production.
@ReefingwithO4 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything except the quality of the stand. I can tell that the red sea stand is better - I found the Red Sea heavier, when you drill into it you see the difference when viewing a cross-section. The red sea has rounded corners and edges on the stand while the Waterbox does not. Leveling, sump options and plumbing go to the Waterbox though. Keep up the good work Dmitry - I hope this tank looks like the first one in no time.
@TreasureCorals4 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I will take another look at a Red Sea when I'm at a local store. I think the Red Sea felt more IKEA like to me, especially the way it was held together.
@Josemm-gn5jf4 жыл бұрын
Its heavier because the RedSea is MDF board. Compressed fiber material and is susceptible to expand when moisture penetrates the paint finish. The brand new 300xl is composed of cabinet grade plywood and has adjustable feet.
@nemofish96854 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this comment, great info here!
@jimmy2cliff3363 жыл бұрын
If anyone living in Toronto has recently purchase a waterbox please let me know the best way to purchase one I'm looking to get the reef lx 270.6 I like the control center that's now available
@roni34252 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your honest review Dmitry, nice reef setup !
@TreasureCorals2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Roni, check out some of my later videos - I've been working hard on improving while sharing my experience with others.
@user-bv4im3vr8m3 жыл бұрын
The waterbox I used was better than the Red Sea
@gofuckyourself71784 жыл бұрын
Are there any preformance drawbacks to to having the overflow turned down to silent? I'm very concerned with the noise level due to where I'm going to place the tank.
@michaelsimi23973 жыл бұрын
No problems I am aware of. I use the Bean Animal style drain and it is great. There is a wide open emergency overflow if ever needed.
@itme2451 Жыл бұрын
Which one got better glass clarity?
@TreasureCorals8 ай бұрын
Very hard to say since nowadays there are new models. I love the clarity on all of my water boxes
@Langenbergh3 жыл бұрын
It's more a Waterbox review than comparing...
@novastar54034 жыл бұрын
this is basically get waterbox and leave red sea
@max11883 жыл бұрын
Great video!!! And very helpfull👍🏻 But why isin’t there any video on youtube or somwhere else on the waterbox all in one 65.4 ?
@JimRichardHartmann3 жыл бұрын
I bought waterbox, but uses red sea lighting and circulatiin ans stuff, Octo skimmer though.. Best of old and new world..
@yourfavoritegarcon4 ай бұрын
Recently discovered your channel and Love the content. I'd love to hear your opinion on shallow (16" height) vs standard tanks (22-24" height). I'm a new reefer and these are two style of tanks I am seeing and debating which to choose is hard. Hoping an experienced hobbyist such as yourself can advise.
@TreasureCorals4 ай бұрын
Welcome to the hobby. Both aquariums are great, but for someone who is new to the hobby I'd go with the "standard" height as it would make flow and aqua scaping easier. Shallow tanks have their place and some look phenomenal, but I would not start with them. Also - depends on the width/size of the tank, if the tank is only 24'' wide, 16'' is good height for it, but for a 48'' tank 16'' would make it shallow. Hope that helps.
@yourfavoritegarcon4 ай бұрын
@@TreasureCorals hey thank u for taking the time to respond. I went ahead and ordered my first reef tank. Went with your advice and got the standard height. Dimensions are 48" x 25" x 21.7". This should be my forever tank...went biggest I could from the start so no urge to upgrade.
@jimmy2cliff3363 жыл бұрын
WHERE CAN I PURCHASE WATERBOX AQUARIUMS IN TORONTO
@TreasureCorals3 жыл бұрын
You can write to the head office of Waterbox - I believe they now have a distributor in Canada, so things are a lot better now than where they were a 2 years ago when it comes to getting their tank.
@delsere70954 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the objective review. I have two Red Sea systems and I've heard great things about Waterbox but the debate of quality comparison hasn't been healthy or useful.
@TreasureCorals4 жыл бұрын
Very true, plus both companies keep releasing newer models, this is a good time for us reefer as competition drives innovation forward.
@raymondperrelli25393 жыл бұрын
which aquarium is the quietest
@TreasureCorals3 жыл бұрын
I think they are both very quiet - it is a durso overflow, so you can make it virtually silent with some tweaking.
@mybeachshack3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU, SIR ! Very enlightening. 😁✔️
@TreasureCorals2 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome
@lucasszymanski1142 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information! I'm looking at the Red Sea Reefer 170 or the Waterbox Marine X 60 and am wondering if the Starfire glass on the WB scratches easily compared to the RS? Cheers!
@TreasureCorals2 жыл бұрын
I have had scratches on both and I have no idea how I got those.
@lucasszymanski1142 жыл бұрын
@@TreasureCorals Thank you for the quick reply and input! Do you use a razor or plastic card? Both look like great tanks, and considering WB has their sale right now, it might be time to dive into one. Keep up the great work! Cheers from Vancouver.
@_jeevesee_4 жыл бұрын
Which is cheaper
@ALECXANDER.3 жыл бұрын
I would say waterbox I’ve seen some really affordable tanks
@DMusique4 жыл бұрын
Do all water box models come with a sump as well? I feel like I saw some that don’t. I am really hoping to upgrade from my nano tank. Thanks !
@TreasureCorals4 жыл бұрын
They do, yes.
@Backs4more3 жыл бұрын
Depends on the model. They do AIO tanks too and the Peninsula range (Section at the back of the aquarium for filtration). waterboxaquariums.co.uk/products/aio
@00ninja004 жыл бұрын
I don’t know about waterbox because I’ve never seen one in person. But I’ve owned redsea and I’ve owned custom tanks made by visio, leemar, a local guy, AGE, cadlights and seen a reef savvy in person. I’ve also owned multiple Elos tanks (5). All the custom tanks were starphire brand glass. The redsea used their own low iron glass (or whoever makes it for them.) And Elos uses their own glass as well. And I can definitely say that “low iron” glass comes in very different quality (clarity). Of all the glass, Elos has the most clear glass (only newest models), and I’m comparing 1/2”-3/4” glass only, as those were only the thickness I’ve owned or seen/compared. Then next is the branded “starphire” low iron glass. And lastly it’s the claimed “low iron” clear glass. The older or first production Red Sea glass is definitely not as clear as the branded starphire. The current and newest Red Sea glass is equivalent to starphire brand glass. Overall, the newest Elos has the clearest glass, it has no hint of green at all, and almost no blue either. Starphire is quite blue, no green. And older Red Sea and the lower end stuff like Cadlights has a hint of green when looking down the long way. In all honesty, I think a normal person would be happy with any of the current model tanks, wether it’s Red Sea, waterbox/custom starphire glass tanks, or Elos. And I believe that no one would notice a difference between the clarity of these three companies if they didn’t have them side by side to compare. Red Sea and starphire glass would be hard to tell even if side by side. Elos, If side by side with starphire, I believe a person can tell if looking down the long way, but not if just looking at the glass straight on. Lastly, imo, the extra cost of Elos isn’t worth the extra clarity. Unless you just like the brand Elos, or like the dimensions, you’d be happy and perfectly fine with Red Sea or waterbox. I like Elos because of the width of the xl models, but at almost double the cost of the redsea or waterbox, I opted for redsea or one of the other custom tank makers for some of my builds. I’ve been happy with my Red Sea tanks thus far.
@ultiblue94 жыл бұрын
I’m in Canada also..southern Ontario, how did you go about getting one shipped? Did you have to find your own broker?
@TreasureCorals4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it was a problem. I worked with them directly, but that might've been a one off for them.
@TreasureCorals Жыл бұрын
I am now ready to ship across Canada.
@socitysav094 жыл бұрын
I did check out Red Sea tanks at a few different LFS in my area of Northern California. After some research and luck I decided to go with a WaterBox 100.3 and I’m glad I did. The stand is really nice and the Tank is great along with the sump super clear glass. It came boxed really nicely and setup was not so bad. Make sure you have a strong friend or 2 to help get it in the house or garage “ it weighs a ton “. Shipping companies drop it at the sidewalk and you are on your own after that. But we are very happy with it.
@TreasureCorals4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad it had worked out for you, getting the tank in can be nerve wrecking.
@michaelsimi23973 жыл бұрын
Where in Norcal has these on display? Seems like all I see are PetCo type stuff here in Santa Rosa.
@alexisramos90642 жыл бұрын
The plumbing on my waterbox 60.2 is metric are you sure on that statement?
@TreasureCorals2 жыл бұрын
Strange, when I was doing my research a few years ago that was the case - people mod their water boxes with imperial parts with no issues. But maybe they have multiple model lines?
@alexisramos90642 жыл бұрын
@@TreasureCorals oh okay yea people switch from metric to standard I thought you were saying they came from waterbox with standard size plumbing already lol
@hostilehostile8034 жыл бұрын
hi which glass is the clearest ? ty
@TreasureCorals4 жыл бұрын
Great question - I don't think I notice or ever noticed any difference.
@kare68783 жыл бұрын
Great video, because I was comparing the two. I’m in Canada and it seems now we can get free shipping on Waterbox (before it was nearly $1000 I swear). I was looking at the RSR 900 XXL, but maybe should go with the Waterbox 220.6. I just wish Waterbox did a 200 gallon display, not including sump volume.
@TreasureCorals3 жыл бұрын
Take a look at their latest PRO MAX series, this hits the spot for me.
@kiddt19993 жыл бұрын
Ordered the reef lx 320.7 in January. Tank is 232 gallons and is 86.6” long! They are supposed to start shipping them this month.
@DS-jv2vb2 жыл бұрын
This didn't really seem like much of a review more so me listening to your opinion. I did appreciate it though so thank you.
@TreasureCorals2 жыл бұрын
Fair point
@pinkroofing92142 жыл бұрын
The answer is CADE
@TreasureCorals2 жыл бұрын
Cade is awesome!
@tonylong62655 сағат бұрын
I’d better get a ultum
@kevencornett939 Жыл бұрын
Metric more European? Only 3 places in the world use imperial 😂 States,Liberia, and Mayanmar
@TreasureCorals Жыл бұрын
I hear you! might me my North-American mindset. :)
@dudepros5 жыл бұрын
Isn't the waterbox also starphire glass and red sea isn't? Because my waterbox 20 is starphire.
@TreasureCorals5 жыл бұрын
I believe that both of them are - I can't say I noticed any difference in glass quality. Red Sea glass scratched easily, so I'd guess it was starphire as well.
@dudepros5 жыл бұрын
@@TreasureCorals red sea uses ultra clear, where as my waterbox cube uses starphire, which has nothing to do with scratching but better clarity I do believe.
@ReefingwithO4 жыл бұрын
@@dudepros ultraclear and starphire same thing, simply low iron glass - Starphire is just a brand name of low iron glass. It's like Hoover being one brand of vacuum cleaners.
@TreasureCorals4 жыл бұрын
@@ReefingwithO yeah, Kleenex
@Jel0XD4 жыл бұрын
@@ReefingwithO it is a brand but they can differ. Aquamaxx uses low iron but they are a bit more green that a waterbox
@michaelsimi23973 жыл бұрын
The dual returns will allow 2 smaller pumps for redundancy. The manifold outlets are a plus as well and in the penninsula tanks WB doors open on both sides
@TreasureCorals3 жыл бұрын
Good points, I'm not sure you can run two separate pumps for returns as the plumbing underneath is only one tube, but I might be wrong.
@maceysdaddy51503 жыл бұрын
Love this, like a driver comparing his new Mercedes to his old BMW.
@sodiumalignate98354 жыл бұрын
Well the new reefer with the v3 sump are hot looking tanks haha. I have just a reefer 170 and i love it. But the only thing i have is filling the ato water so frequently. I am think to fill part of the sump with floating balls to reduce a bit evaporation but its also a smaller sump. You have a nice sps coral growing there and good loaded life stock.
@Hakanozdemiruk2 жыл бұрын
Redsea compared to waterbox is like ferrari and skoda. The redsea tank and silicone are far superior. The cabinate of v3 redsea is second to non in build quality. Sorry but waterbox is junk in comparison
@TreasureCorals2 жыл бұрын
Not sure I'm with you on this one. They all have multiple generations and if we compare apples to apples I'd love to do it with their top of the lines latest models. Maybe that's something I should try and do :)
@samin20122 жыл бұрын
Search for red sea paper test. There's a video on that for rs 625 XXL. What do you say about that. I have a RS myself but concerned of that with rs.
@TreasureCorals2 жыл бұрын
@@samin2012 yikes!
@Hakanozdemiruk2 жыл бұрын
@@samin2012 from what redsea told me. They had a customer that had tank issues due to uneven floor so they over engineered the new tanks with a brace just to idiot proof the install. To be honest you can't beat alloy frame. I'm going the the new dd 1800 reef pro which comes pre built with alloy frame
@samin20122 жыл бұрын
@@Hakanozdemiruk agree with you on alloy frame. But red sea cabinets are known to be structurally poor and not sure how being on an slightly out of level floor could cause a warp in the middle for the paper test to fail. I wonder if they have fixed that in the v3 version.
@JimmySchofieldx3 жыл бұрын
What’s with the umms and errs
@TreasureCorals3 жыл бұрын
working on it, my latest videos are better.
@JimmySchofieldx3 жыл бұрын
@@TreasureCorals thank you because I love how structured this video is it’s just the speech!
@georgiifedorov7293 жыл бұрын
Ого 28 000 ты спросмотров!!! Как у Маргерштерна почти!!!!
@Keepingitreal1233 жыл бұрын
Water box is a knock off of Red Sea, and Red Sea copied Elos. Simple
@TreasureCorals3 жыл бұрын
I think it is different enough not to be called a knock off.
@Keepingitreal1233 жыл бұрын
@@TreasureCorals nope. Just like Samsung copies apple same stuff.
@username-kn3oh3 жыл бұрын
@@Keepingitreal123 samsung copying Apple? 😂😂 Apple is always playing catchup tf
@djmikefury13 жыл бұрын
Red Sea doesn't hold a candle to Waterbox - just looking at plumbing and stand alone...its not even close...and keep in mind I'm a Red Sea owner as well..like your name...have to keep it real...thats why my next tank is a Waterbox
@ronniekregar34823 жыл бұрын
@@username-kn3oh lol, exactly. This guy has no idea what he's talking about.