Wave Rebellion Review. Mizuno''s Bio Based PEBA Midsole, Max Cushioned Plated Trainer .

[@rmsrmsrmsrms]

Working in the black, white & red table with matching shoe, and the mizuno logo with the red graphic element on the table (see 8:30) was genius!

[@RoadTrailRun]

Thanks Roger! Wasn't trying but it is a cool table. Based on a chess table Napoleon had in exile on Elba.

[@Carlosediaz543]

I think a lot of it is due to the outsole rubber! I think it creates a lot of righty and makes it loud as well. Especially with that fork system for transition just gonna add a lot of stiffness I wonder how this would run without all the outsole & transition system. It’s so interesting the heel hold isn’t great unlike the inspire, wave rider being so well structured.

[@RoadTrailRun]

A more flexible forefoot would be helpful here

[@adamhopson1143]

It sounds like they just remade the OLD Wave Rider, back when it was snappier and more propulsive. Thoughts about it comparing to the old Rider (pre-19s)?

[@RoadTrailRun]

Sorry didn't run those but clearly snappier firmer than WR 25 a superb daily trainer.

[@kofuzi]

PWRRUN PB isn't castor based?

[@RoadTrailRun]

I can’t recall Saucony ever saying their PEBA expanded beads in PB were castor bean based but could be wrong. I do think the material comes from the same company and the castor bean version is branded differently. You?

[@cameronthaijohnson]

The 361° Flame is a bit like a firmer, more stable, and somewhat stiffer Endorphin Speed with a PU midsole, so how does this compare to that?

[@RoadTrailRun]

Yes similarities! Flame not as soft at the heel. More race oriented but can train

[@i.p2088]

Pity about the heel slip. I am prone to this in most cases... Can you think of a Soft Bouncy Light (like Rebel V2) but more stable and good heel lock for heel striker?

[@Carlosediaz543]

The skechers razor excess would be nice as well as asics meta racer

[@i.p2088]

@@Carlosediaz543 Soft and Bouncy...?

[@RoadTrailRun]

Not light but Wave Rider 25 fits the bill! Also Liberate Nitro from Puma to look at

[@Carlosediaz543]

@@i.p2088 yea

[@i.p2088]

@@RoadTrailRun thank you for your help. I tried the Novablast 2 today but it was a bit narrow in the forefoot. Is the Mizuno_Wave_Rider_25 wider then the Novablast 2?

[@mostho]

Guessing how it compares against ASICS GlideRide 2

[@knightryder02]

Do you think it's stable enough if you overpronate?

[@RoadTrailRun]

Likely but what works well for you and doesn't in its general class of shoe?

[@interludesoulout]

Strangely... i got the 9us size and it weight only 233 gram.

[@guysmith9353]

It sounds like a Brooks Launch. Firm, slightly heavy, and fairly flat.

[@RoadTrailRun]

In some ways but base foam and stack here more cushioned and energetic

[@RoadTrailRun]

And for sure a rigid rocker effect which flat Launch lacks but $80 here though..

[@qentrepreneurship9987]

Wow🐶

[@gosekinz]

Not the first company to over-do the tongue length .. not looking at anyone in particular Altra ...

[@i.p2088]

Like it is rocket science to get the tongue right... Topo Ultrafly-3 very short tongue.. By the way Altra Rivera excellent.