Korg MS-20 Mini - Drum Synthesis Part 1 - Kick Drum

[@charliewisp]

You are awesome. I was on the verge of selling my MS 20. You inspired me to keep it. You know synthesis so well. Thank you for making this video. You are awesome. Looking forward to more content from you

[@datsim_music]

Superb video!! I also just downloaded the guide from your site - excellent! Thanks a lot

[@robyoink]

Thanks for the great tutorial. I really appreciate the different approaches.

[@Yourveryowncarrot]

That second kick was really cool, exactly like a 909.

[@pinbac92]

+Yourveryowncarrot I have a very sexy aubergine friend I could hook you up with. Just don't tell broccoli about it ;)

[@Yourveryowncarrot]

After what broccoli did to orange? Fuck that. Shoot me aubergine's number and I'll tell broccoli all about it.

[@pinbac92]

No can do Carrot.. No can do 😤

[@dianemckimmy5701]

@@pinbac92 🥕 no can do

[@adamgrover9481]

Just what I was looking for! Thanks

[@jonathanwingmusic]

This is really cool! It had me playing around and I used a stackable patch cable to go from the EG1 revout into BOTH the HPF+LPF. The result allows me have a really abrasive attack (distorted by the ESP feedback) but that immediately tapers off because it's with the EG1 with the fast attack (reverted as 'decay' I guess you'd say). Then with EG2 you can extend the decay and release times, and add sustain to taste, with a fatter, softer tail. Adding noise in from VCO1 also makes for a cool attack sound. Thanks for the excellent explanation. This is so much fun!

[@matturmenyi3770]

stackable patch lead very good idea, I must get some. I guess a Y split is the same thing

[@jonathanwingmusic]

@@matturmenyi3770 yes they are special cables designed to simply mult a signal so you can distribute it to more places. Look up TipTop Stackables, Hosa Hopscotch, and yes a y-cable should work too. You can open up and expand the MS-20's capabilities even more by not limiting a patch to only one single input or output :)

[@MythicalVigilante]

Great video. Thanks for doing this, it reminded me to create a load of drum samples with my MS20 mini. Had the idea a while back, so seeing this kicked me in gear :)

[@martinjankohler6391]

Many thanks for this awesome and incredibly useful in-depth tutorial!

[@SILOETTE100page]

This is amazing! Thank you so much for taking the time.

[@prabirbhowal3838]

Wonderful class Thanks!

[@parasiteunit]

BTW - if you have a classic monotron lying around... Using the peak control and the modulation affecting cutoff frequency... You have an 808 killer of a kick. . Sadly, you can't do much other things - no snares and such, but as it has the a similar filter to the MS - 20... You get some v useable kicks. Nice to see someone using an analogue synth for more than bases and pads. Good work

[@Feldspar__]

Exactly what I was looking for. Subscribed.

[@HansBaier]

Excellent tutorial. Thanks!

[@redshift4707]

perfect tutorial 10/10

[@gvrcmoti]

Thank you

[@retrogazele]

That kick in the intro was heavy !!

[@goldenbeers88]

It's from the MS20 mini, part of the free sample library

[@sebprovision]

Fantastic mate, thank you very much. About to watch the rest of your MS20 drum hit videos. So many viewers and so little likes, c'mon people :)

[@nicolasgierkowski9038]

I have just found it ! Thanks for all, Keep going ! You shouldn't do it for free ahahah , we don t deserve it, you are the best !

[@javiceres]

Cool

[@julespenuchot7003]

Great resource, thanks a lot for sharing.

[@Yovavision]

Thx

[@nicolasgierkowski9038]

Hi Matt, That's great what you re doing ! I am looking for your patch examples you are talking about at 6:10, Please, could you send a web link to get it ? Thanks a lot

[@gauloises5843]

Thx. Great Turorial !

[@DonSolaris]

i like it!

[@mosshornn]

Great information, thanks for this!

[@CharlesFerraro]

It's nice to hear that you used a noise gate with a gentle release for the audio. But given that the editors went to lengths to make the dialog sound good, why not just use a spectral denoiser like RX as well as the gate to really get things prestine? Either way the sound of the 20 is unaffected so you're golden.

[@goldenbeers88]

Believe me I tried many methods to combat the noise. Including a spectral denoiser (which I did use here and there in the other videos). The reason for not doing as you suggest is that the audio is all one track. Apart from a few dubs, everything was recorded live - audio from the 20 and speech together going directly to the camera. The gate you hear is a live hardware gate. This helped very much in terms of editing and keeping everything perfectly in sync. The downside is of course you only have one audio track - whatever you do to the speech will also affect the sound of the 20. All things considered what you hear is a compromise, with the audio of the 20 being the priority. We live and learn, if I did it again a few things would be different, not least the audio. I hope this answers your question :) - Matt

[@CharlesFerraro]

goldenbeers88 Ah I see I see, thanks very much for that explanation. BTW I did download that gracious sample pack. It's cool to hear the difference in character between the analogs you used. I actually couldn't recreate a lot of the stuff you did in these tutorials with any of my VA's.

[@carloadapimps6870]

nicely done sir...

[@goldenbeers88]

+carloada pimps cheers!

[@toddsmithmusic3172]

Thank you for sharing this info . Subbed

[@fritsvanzanten3573]

Be careful when listening with headphones.

[@SoundAuthor]

Great tut! I'm not familiar with the Korg MS-20 Mini. Are the highpass and lowpass filters parallel or in series? I don't have a hardware synth, so I'm implementing these techniques in Zebra 2 :)

[@goldenbeers88]

+Sound Author series high through low (mentioned at around 2.40)

[@jfklmk13447]

Not exactly sure what he is doing but I want to be able to understand this information Where shall I start ?

[@goldenbeers88]

go here www.wavealchemy.co.uk/ms-20-mini-drums/pid154/ and click on 'MS20mini Drum Synthesis Guide' for step by step guide and patch sheets and audio examples

[@pvdn77]

Great series! Why is EG1 better suited for the short snappy modulations? Can't you just get the same results with EG2?

[@goldenbeers88]

I assume that you're asking this regarding inverted EGs: Yes you can use the EG2 inverted for drums and get interesting results that way. The problem is that the VCA is always tied to EG2 (non inverted). In this case you would patch the standard output of EG1 into INITIAL GAIN - not ideal as the VCA will now be affected by both EG1 and EG2 at the same time. As to why you should invert the envelope at all, the answer is maybe hard to grasp: the envelope when inverted STARTS from maximum value and the attack pulls that maximum DOWN over time, so you have the fastest possible attack time at the highest possible value this way. ..Cheers! Matt

[@lauriliinat7262]

Did you also have a noise gate on the output of the Mini, or just on the speech? The reason I'm asking is - your Mini sounds FAR less noisy than my unit... I'm talking about at least a 30dB difference in noise floor. Which makes me wonder if Korg just effed up some production batches and not others?

[@goldenbeers88]

To be honest, I can't remember. This was recorded on a busy london street, which is why I had a gate on the voice. I can't see why I would put a gate on the synth and listening to the audio, it doesn't sound like I did. I can tell you 2 things that may help you: 1) The MS20 mini synth shown in this video is actually very noisy 2) the noise is dependant on the patch and mostly kick drum patches are inherently low noise because you're filtering all the highs out after the initial transient. So try the kick drum patch and compare.

[@andrewcampos5926]

Am I able to plug this into an amp?

[@sinsofourfathers]

why does opening your sustain for the low pass filter doesn't cauwe the amp to sustain as well? I get a continuous buzz when I do the same thing..

[@goldenbeers88]

because the sustain of the envelope is never reached. The decay of the envelope is allowed to end. if you lift the key before the decay is over the envelope will continue on to the sustain. if you hold the key down until the decay has finished, it never gets there.

[@yvoHP]

Vaya..❤

[@OGGalleryCrew92]

HI I've just bought the synth what software are you running on the pc cheers ps Can you download the music at the start !

[@goldenbeers88]

Sorry I can't remember, do a search for free spectrum analyser, it's resizeable . The music is by Michael Lovatt full version on the wave alchemy soundcloud page here, soundcloud.com/wave-alchemy/ms-20-mini-drums-michael.. I'm sure he would send you a copy if you asked him, HIS soundcloud is here: soundcloud.com/michaellovatt

[@fdwsas2296]

The best

[@espengulbrandsen7919]

If I route signal out to ESP for feedback, what do I use as the output that goes into my sound card, other than headphones. Maybe a silly question :-)

[@goldenbeers88]

use the phones out.

[@caballotecaballo188]

thanks very much amazing information

[@goldenbeers88]

caballote caballo You're welcome. Be sure to head over to wave-alchemy to grab the free drum library and PDF guide - links in description.

[@andrefigueiredo3936]

What's the diference betwin using the total output to ESP and using the phones output o ESP?

[@goldenbeers88]

+André Figueiredo Don't think there's much of a difference, maybe the phones output is hotter. I wouldn't imagine there would be any issue if you tried it the other way around. - Matt

[@andrefigueiredo3936]

+goldenbeers88 yup thats what i thought, thanks

[@JaviRollo]

Why vco mixer turn off ??

[@matturmenyi3770]

because VCO is not in the mix at all. sound generation comes from filters self oscillating

[@danielhl22]

whats that on ind of osciloscope on the screen?

[@CharlesFerraro]

Not an oscilloscope but good guess. It's a spectrum analyzer.

[@kristianjensen7611]

How can you get any sound out, when your VCO 1 & 2 levels are all the way down? If I set up my Legacy controller according to your setup at 1:16 I don't get any sound?

[@stevengoldberg8810]

He's turned the peak (i.e. resonance) up on the filters, so they self-oscillate and generate a tone.

[@goldenbeers88]

This is not a legacy controller, it's an MS20 mini. Many of these ideas and patches won't work on the legacy software.

[@stephenstrang590]

@@stevengoldberg8810 Self Oscillate? I am in way over my head.

[@LlewynDaviesTheThird]

excellent tutorial. now all i need is an ms20

[@kevinfoushee3154]

can you do the same thing with the ms 20 plugin that korg came out with. if so then i wont buy this ill use the plugin

[@goldenbeers88]

Kevin Foushee I think I can safely say no. Some of the things I demonstrate in this series you would be able to do and some not. I use a few unusual tricks to get these sounds and I seriously doubt that a modeled software version would behave in the same way or sound the same. -Matt

[@funkishness]

Nice demo, really learned a lot. Thank you. However, that mouse...! LOL Cheers

[@dianemckimmy5701]

Do it 130 BPM Style Kick Drum

[@michaelt8052]

One fact: A drum synthesis is also called a synthesized drum kit.

[@savanaviolenta]

1:44-1:47 omg

[@JohnDoe-ti4dn]

i am a noob at this, can someone please explain to me what i need to get every function of the korg ms 20 mini into fl studio 10+, i want to beable to play the mini freely , as well as record with it in real time, or bar by bar. . would i be able to use it as a midi controler for other vsts as well easilly? (i know you can put sounds through it) tl:dr : basically what im asking is what cables do i need to hook this up to my daw asap..and will i be able to record and compose as smooth as possible? or is this more for live playing only.

[@deadmusik9969]

off topic question but does anyone here get like a pink noise hiss through this?

[@goldenbeers88]

if you're talking about the background noise in the video, it's traffic

[@deadmusik9969]

No i am talking about when you put it on triangle wave an close the filters your still hear a hiss, i contacted KORG and they said its just noisy filters which i don't understand why, but i guess it falls into the category of "old analog emulation on new synths" because they were noisy back then

[@tiny7570]

i guess in the digital age it's undesirable but before with the added noise of cassette hiss it wouldn't really matter

[@adamlewis5073]

funny - i just tried this exact patch on the VST version and nothing even close to this.

[@NutsForCorby]

analogue rules brotha

[@jaggass]

Making a kick drum sounds is fairly easy. It depends what synth it is.

[@OGGalleryCrew92]

Its only easy if you know how !

[@BakerDeltaFour]

how about a warning for headphone users? really very stupid

[@goldenbeers88]

hahaha. would you like him to warn you to look both ways when crossing the road too?