WAVY rim Profiled Aero Gravel Wheelset | Lightbicycle Falcon Pro

[@jensenhealey907efi]

So part of Hambini's wheel testing methodology involves hitting the back of a car? Wow, that's dedication!

[@kitten-inside]

Taxi drivers love him.

[@Hambini]

Fake taxis are my favourite

[@yisraels4555]

@@Hambini I thought hairdressers were your favorite.

[@truantray]

Is that some sexual euphemism? Ooo

[@slayermtb_7848]

When the hair dresser wants it, SHE WANTS IT!

[@hippotek1]

I agree: Lightbicycle is extremely professional. I had a few sets of custom rims made at Lightbicycle and they are perfect. I really like that they give you the option of not drilling the spoke holes through the rim bed, which makes for super slick tubeless builds and adds a significant amoutn of ridgidity. Yes, you need to guide every nipple with a magnet and an insert to the spoke hole, but the endresult justifies the xtra effort. I actually just finished building a wheelst with these very rims yetserday.

[@Hambini]

I totally agree. It's difficult to describe "professional" in a quantifiable term.

[@dakalla]

I was wondering.. Does it work with aluminium nipples to get them through the wheel using a magnet?

[@MrBertrandleroux]

@@dakalla you can thread a bit of a cut steel spoke to the aluminium nipple, then you can guide it with a magnet

[@dakalla]

@@MrBertrandleroux sounds like a lot more work, as you have to do that 28 times a wheel ;)

[@MrBertrandleroux]

@@dakalla yep haha

[@jamescourier1545]

Light Bicycle new Turbo series hoops look like this but have a wide 32mm outside width. Available in 4 depths, with or without carbon spokes. Good stuff!

[@Rafskat]

I use lightbicycle wheels for few years, and they are awesome. I really like their customisation service, you can almost (or completely sometimes) pick every component of your wheels. Hubs, nipples, rim, spokes to your liking. Once they did not had hub what i want, but they somehow get it somewhere (in the covid times, when the hubs was not available anywhere).

[@ThisTimeTheWorld]

Cohen19 is jew terrorism

[@mondoabz]

I use Lightbicycle on all my bikes never had any issues. Anything custom they can do. They will lace any hub to your chosen rim, even sending them your old hubs is an option. At the time I first bought them prices were cheaper and I got 2 pairs of wheels (climbing and aero) for the price of a pair of “high end” wheels. Those days are gone but the wheels are still true probably outlasted the popular brand.

[@mac92gli]

I bought a set of 29er rims from light bicycle in their early days. They were rumored to be the same as the roval rims specialized was selling at the time. I beat on those rims for SIX years without any structural damage. I actually was able to sell them on to someone else. I've had rims from 2 of their competitors that delaminated or cracked in less than a year

[@kuanhau4323]

I have several sets from LB including the 465. Love the customisation options and really good quality. On a recent build the mechanic at the shop was very interested after he saw the quality of the wheels and the frame from LB and he is well known for building high end bikes here

[@MongoDan]

Keep your videos more like this one and I will surely watch more of them. Being a multiple Light Bicycle wheel owner I can add that they hold up very well over years of hard use.

[@jochem1986]

Very happy to see a Light Bicycle wheel review.

[@thomaspitcher2335]

had 2 light bicycle frames that had broken rear der drop outs. Very fast service and replacment frames were awesome.

[@jamescourier1545]

Which frame? Journey gravel?

[@OUTDOORS55]

Please do an analysis on zero friction cycling test protocols. Can you actually test chain power efficiency measuring wear rate? From my research and testing wear rate efficiency, and power efficiency, is independent from one another. He claims lower wear rate is always indicative of lower power consumption. However he doesn't measure power only wear rate. So im not sure how he got to that hard conclusion. Simple Experiments can show that high wear rate and high power efficiency can coexist. Although he says on his websites that it cant. Would be interested to see your take on it👍

[@davidpriebe3965]

Very helpful Hambini!!! Like some others I've purchased from LB in the past, and been pleased with their professionalism. (They even sent me a discount buy link to pass on to others, which I did and surprisingly got a small bonus.) Extra credit to them for the wheels I purchased coming in non-trivially LIGHTER than specced.

[@TheMarksmith88]

I received mine yesterday! On the other hand, they are non-weavy Ar55s with a carbon-ti hub and carbon bladed v2.0 spokes. I just miss receiving my frame for testing. At first glance, they look really good quality. I had enve, bora, corima mcc, lightweigh and unfortunately a pair of zipp 454. 1310gr for 55mm,the standard model for rear rim and forward flyweight. can't wait to get my frame after 18 months of waiting! And sincerely, I have rarely seen such fast and efficient service. They are impressive. I received an answer with an average delay of 5 minutes.

[@mmmStella]

I have three sets of falcon road wheels from Light Bicycle laced to DTSwiss hubs and they’ve been great wheels and a good value. I need a wheel set for a mountain bike, and I’ll be getting another set from them.

[@c.d.j300]

Same here. Best wheels for the price since you can customize every aspect.

[@JesperJames]

I have several LB wheels, they are just excellent! Im 103kgs and can do some watts. Never had a single problem with them.

[@jaylumbago559]

The last time I had cross flow was at a urinal at a music festival.

[@dobbscycleworks]

I have the LB R45 Falcon's and yeah their service is insanely good. I was really bracing for a just awful experience and they were great the entire time and stayed in communication every step of the way.

[@GeraldGuevara]

Late to the party, but I think the X flows really do work in crosswind stability. I bought mixed depth 465 front, 565 rear. I was expecting them to be more twitchy than the stock aluminum rims that came with my bike because these are deeper. Surprisingly they were less twitchy. I would've gone 565 front and back if I knew this beforehand.

[@durianriders]

In Hambini we trust. 💯

[@DaveCM]

I haven't looked at their website in a while, but they originally didn't advertise them as an aero benefit. They claimed it made for a stronger and more reliable rim. I'm not a wheel nor carbon fiber expert, but their explanation made sense to me.

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

My wheels!! I love them! LIGHTBICYCLE are awesome, impeccable Customer service

[@dobson156_xjs7]

LB sold me just the rims and I got my local bike shop to lace them up to the hubs of my choosing. Would recommend that route if you've got a good wheelshop around.

[@maddoc68]

falcon pro with industry nine hubs: 10000 km dirt without any trouble. love them.

[@moserroman2083]

agree about light bicycle good service, professional , fast , lot of options , what's not to like

[@gunterhackstock4480]

More techical data, espacially regarding the aero results of their rims, and probably in respect to other rim manufactors. And being slightly pricier than nextie, winspace or farsports.

[@moserroman2083]

@@gunterhackstock4480 there probably isn't at least from them. cfd only. even most big brands are not transparent when comparing to others big brands saying x y z model and not specifying so your point is ? Hard to compare with winspace because winspace has only one model in 3 differents depths and rim brakes vs disc brakes tough that's true you could take lb closest rim to winspace and build them with carbon spokes to get something similar

[@SnappyWasHere]

They’ve made me three sets of wheels. Did a custom layup for my oversized weight. Great to deal with and solid. 50 and 65mm depths. I will admit they are kinda scary in crosswinds compared to my deeper Enves.

[@randallsmith7885]

Are your LB wheels the wavy ones that Hambini reviewed? If so, that's not a good sign.

[@SnappyWasHere]

@@randallsmith7885 Nope. Just the standard AR series. When I ordered them they weren’t doing custom spoke count and layups on those wavy ones so had to go with the regular style.

[@sabamacx]

I'm onto my fourth set of rims with LB --- been consistently ace. Despite being down under, whenever I interact with LB I communicate with people in a German office.

[@ianp7048]

Two sets of rims. Good, but one (AR35 lightweight) did begin to delaminate. (I'm old, 64kg, ride paved only and measure my power output in mW). Provided photos and spoke tension readings. After some to and fro, the rim was replaced on warranty, but shipping app. $150 Can at my cost. I'm happy. But they are not infallible.

[@lemonshire1]

Nice to see a video on Lightbicycle, I would be very interested in their products if my budget was slightly higher

[@Twinpot1962]

They should fit a bite guard into the hub. Informative vlog as always…cheers.

[@jackhammer40k_]

EVERY FKN TIME I forget to adjust my headphones

[@nodbag6301]

I leave it on very loud to her the dog's reaction

[@gasken2182]

Done about 6k on my LB wheels. Had a pair of enve wheels before and I can’t tell the difference. A pro might, but I can’t. Using carbon TI hubs.

[@danihe8528]

Good review as always. Was these the flightweight version? Asking because of the strength you comment... I'm taking in consideration these wheels🤔. Thanks

[@81antiloop]

Awesome vid. Side question: could you do a video/deepdive on performance between narrow Vs wider tires (higher psi Vs lower ) ? Cheers

[@philipurquiza]

Do you have any plans of reviewing the LB Turbo Rims?

[@cat4garage]

@hambini Thanks for the video. I just received a set of the new LB Turbo 50's with their V2 hub for carbon spokes. The bladed carbon spokes are the newer wider version. The quality of the wheels looks great. However, where the spokes cross over each other on the front and rear wheels, they touch. Is that normal? I was under the impression that carbon spokes were not supposed to touch. Thank you.

[@tubularmonkeymaniac]

I always check my volume levels before clicking, and every time my eardrums still get blown out

[@borano2031]

You obviously need to check your routines.... Rgr

[@jackwelsh3353]

Swear I saw you in Cleethorpes 2 weeks ago, coming out of bowling as I was going in. Didn't want to interrupt you, would've been great to meet you

[@Hambini]

Just come and say hello hambini fans!

[@jackwelsh3353]

@@Hambini haha I was with my girlfriend she said to me who's Hambini 😂😂😂

[@francisschuknecht5889]

Any aero data on the 56 mm version?

[@devdroid9606]

When I entered the Hambini discount code the price went up 5% and it asked for proof of parental permission.

[@diverg3]

It’s spring Hambini, why the full body suit?

[@galenkehler]

It's not spring in Marseilles yet

[@redhel]

exposed skin is not aero

[@docmccoy9813]

Looks pro

[@NeoPayneHK]

i just bought a pair of rims from them pretty solid

[@ds6914]

Light bicycle or nine velo? That is the question I'm currently pondering from my scratcher

[@choanlpoto]

Hello. For road use and race what is optimal width tire to go with this rim? Im looking for a rim that light and is aero optimal for 28mm tire. Because 28mm are so comfy. But from what I see to have optimal aero with 28mm tire we need at least 30mm wide rim. Should I stay with 25mm to get the maximum of aero and rolling resistance? Thx

[@gunterhackstock4480]

You've answered your question halfways already. Don't know your 25C tire, but it could probably blow to 26,7 mm on this 21 mm inner diameter and 28 to 30 mm outer diameter rim. That would be fine to get the 105 % rim vs. tire width rule. For your 28 mm tire a wider rim with 30 to 32 mm width from the WR series would suit best in aero demands, if you care that much about it.

[@socalcyclist91]

What’s your opinion on berd spokes?

[@LucaFotoSF]

I have read that is is important to use Bladed spokes for building carbon wheels, can you elaborate on that topic, please?

[@Twinthorn]

I only have positive things to say about LightBicycle. Incredible customer service and I love my wheels from them

[@mihpop9733]

Why no Reynolds flow chart for the stability? Surely it would be nice to see give this is their party trick?

[@chrism3195]

Any chance you could give an evaluation and general opinion about Enduro's Maxhit bearings integrated into BB's and headsets. Thanks.

[@non_ideological_transexual7414]

My wheels now are 24mm low profile carbon barely aero tubular rims with aero titanium spokes ( w/ Tune 32H hubs ), not super fast but very very comfortable. Have you looked at any thing like that ?

[@alan-sk7ky]

I salute your metric only tape measure. No bananas on Hambini eh!

[@BeaverTerror]

You've sold me on these rims. Can you recommend what hub you'd suggest to pair these with?

[@brandtonwebb4597]

Dt Swiss 240 is perfect. 350 is also super great and reliable just heavier. Any shop will know how to work in dt hubs and have parts available for them

[@kinza999]

I though the brunelli effect had been replaced by the coanda effect !

[@GNX157]

What material were the spokes made from? Was there a washer between the nipple and wheel? What material was that made of?

[@silviugheorghe7118]

Greetings from Vienna. One question: do you trust carbon spokes? Because some people are say go if you get something in the spoken when you come with speed, they will all fail and you can have a big problem. But with metal spokes you don’t have this danger. Thank you!

[@mpulsiv7287]

Do you race? Do you love to climb mountains? If not, stick with steel spokes. Non-Drive side = CX-Ray and Drive-Side = CX-Ray Sprint

[@050Rolandos]

What's your opinion on the Princeton wheels? Like for example the dual 5550 or 6560?

[@10ktube]

When you take something apart for the first time, like a new hub, do you dive in and rely on engineering senses, or do you check a build sheet so you know ahead of time?

[@truantray]

The Zip-Princeton case was thrown out. Can't patent waves, see ocean v. ZIPP.

[@Alby26Isaac]

Apologies if I missed it. Can advise which design you would opt for in windy conditions. The LB design or the Zipp /Princeton approach (given rim depths were the same)?

[@0harris0]

would've been nice to see the Zipp or Princeton in the aero comparison!

[@Hambini]

I've not tried the PCW

[@truantray]

Honestly, do you think any of this makes a real difference? It's been two weeks or more since we've had a new BB standard because of these distractions.

[@Michaelholds7769]

I have DT Swiss 47 mm depth and Zipp 454 nsw. DT Swiss hubs are better then the Zipp, but the Zipp is way better in crosswinds.

[@carlosvf11]

Hi Hambini!! Do you thing this “wavy” spec if worth the extra 200$ they charge?? I mean, I was looking for a gravel wheelset for 38c tires, and the options I’m considering are: 1st, budget classic shape carbon wheelset; 2nd, this XFlow wheelset; 3rd, the Elite Drive Six. Could you help me decide?

[@garykrivo3903]

Do you think an aero wheelset makes a difference with gravel sozed tires?

[@hallockstuart7899]

Any view as to whether undulating depth or cross section is better? I would think that undulating cross section is better because there should be less rotational drag?

[@u.e.u.e.]

What did you mean by "oscillation problem"? 🤔

[@pukkagoblin]

I’m looking at buying a carbon 68mm deep with this wavy pattern, or an 80 mm deep without. I can’t really compare them. Are the 68’s efffectively stablized 50’s because that’s where the the wave begins, or are they 70’s? Both choices i have are same width, price, brand. ext. 28, 21.4mm internal (Currently running carbon 50mm’s.) (Tuff cycles. The 50’s i have been ruining for 3 years are great.)

[@pukkagoblin]

I’d take very stable 68’s over 80’s, though I’m no welter weight and its not a great concern except when descending.

[@greybeard4034]

You had that single brick wall "serpentine wall" instead if double brick in england they made in a wave to be stronger. don't want to sound stupid, but doesn't the same principle apply here for some bit? You use more material in a wave for the same straight length. Crinkle crankle walls resist more horizontal forces. Wouldn't this apply to this rim?

[@jon65160]

does the pen ever not work? what happens then?

[@gunterhackstock4480]

I have no doubt the PEN IS working ;-)

[@MikeyAntonakakis]

Kuru Toga pencil, niiice

[@petermoojo894]

I ride the Falcon pro AR565 with Flyweight Carbon Spoke (Special Edition 4,5mm) - love them! May you plan testing the new TURBO 65 rims? New Light Bicycle Speed-Hub Gen2 36T ratchet

[@EdMontego]

Hi Hambini. My Carbon Frontwheel is rubbing on the Brakepads (Rimbrake). It only occurs when im in a Big Gear and at a certain Speed. Do you experienced this phenomenon by yourself, is it normal?

[@0harris0]

kinda sounds like something's flexing

[@Neilhuny]

Blast! Yet another set of blown speakers 2 seconds in! When will I learn?

[@veloaa-montreal6924]

Wow a metric only tape measure! Must be nice to be so far away from the US haha

[@PeakTorque]

They barely look ridden bruv. Send em over ere.

[@Hambini]

I've already sent them back.

[@Quivivravelo]

Best wheels ever

[@davewallace9048]

I have six sets of light bicycle carbon mtb wheelset’s.. the newest set I’m using light bicycle, new wavy design 930s carbon rims with onyx vesper with hybrid ceramic bearings internally they use a sprag clutch design that has zero drag and spin forever. Sapim cxray Spokes with brass nipples. Every set was built up by Dave Thomas of speed dreams. I only use brass nipples now as a result of aluminum nipples corroding from Calvinistic corrosion after about the five year mark. Nipples will just crumble, so no more alloy nipples for me. The new wave you designed for mountain biking has compliance built in to the rim that is noticeable and definitely remove some of the trail chatter!! Highly recommend light bicycle carbon hoops!! Even though I will never ride on the road!!

[@JBR.1974]

Not sure if you’ve ever tested a set, but love to know your thoughts on Scribe Core carbon wheelset. I’m thinking it’s either those or Lun Hyper 67s (or maybe the less deep ones). Was originally thinking about Hunt but your video put me right off Love the idea of 303s lifetime warranty but just don’t think hookless is the way to go regardless of what the shills all day

[@kevinnielsen1356]

Hi Hambini, I love your engineering videos. The obsession over bicycle weight is rediculous unless completing at a very high level. The reason is the focus on bike weight alone. This is fine if the bike is ridding itself sans rider. A 170lb rider on a 20lb bike is a total of 190lbs. 170lb rider on a 30lb bike is a total of 200lbs. Only a difference of 10lb. This is only a 5% weight difference, not a 33% difference like the bike makers would have you believe. Most riders could easily loose 10lbs by spending less on food, rather then spend $$$ on ultra light parts.

[@timwong6818]

The wavy rim should be compared to proper baselines. I got the reasoning of why they are more stable. But lets say, given the wavy one is maybe 50-54mm, and then it should be directly compared to a 50mm rim and a 54mm rim with similar shapes. If the aero drag and stability results of the wavy one end up somewhere in between... well, it is not actually improvement, it is just equal to maybe a 52mm rim ... while you might get more tangential drag...

[@TheSpaceBrosShow]

👂that feel when HELLO HAMBINI FANS🥵

[@terrywalker7127]

Look a lot like my Mavic Kryserium Pro UST rims.

[@saltycycling]

At around 7:00, you mention that this wheelset power data looks a bit poor (at 609W absorbed) but that's because all the other models on your chart are deeper. OK. So why are you comparing them to deeper wheels? The chart on your own website has data for many other models, including: Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon Exalith at 45mm, Zipp 303 at 45mm, Giant SLR at 42mm, and LightBicycle own WR46C02 from 2019 at 46mm - all of which show lower power absorption. Why compare to less comparable wheels if you have data points for stuff that's similar? I must be missing something completely obvious here and would like to know what it is :-)

[@Hambini]

I've got two charts, one for disc wheels and one for rim. The rim brake has loads of wheels in it. The disc brake one doesn't have as many.

[@saltycycling]

@@Hambini Ah! Thank you. As suspected, it was something obvious. I've got the 50km/h chart in the bookmarks and there's no mention of the braking technology in that article, nor a footnote to the disc-specific entry, so I just completely missed it. Can I ask whether the disc-brake wheels are tested with the disc on? Or are the discs off and any performance delta between rim and disc models is a result of other factors, e.g. spoke count (e.g. Lún Hyper D45 vs. R45, 21 spoke front and 16 spoke front respectively).

[@Jaysondk]

If you order from Europe do you need to pay taxes or they send them from a EU warehouse?

[@Caedo01]

Nice

[@PeterPutz82]

Hey Hambini, a KZbin creator here in Aus called Ozcycling just put out a great video about TPU inner tubes. These tubes could be the deathnail for road tubeless. Very worth doing some investigatiion and picking up on it for your channel.

[@4ndyc74]

Is that the same youtuber that got charged with torturing and killing his neighbors dog?

[@dominicbritt]

Hope you've got the right tools to service those front bearings? 🤣 Otherwise I'm sure you could seek advice from Reginald...

[@erbringas]

Avian wheelsets next! Theyre super cheap

[@VaganSh95]

🎉🎉

[@waynosfotos]

Well not a hairdresser, but does an IT Engineer count?

[@shus5787]

Can we have a video on bull crap so called zero friction cycling... all kicking off on durian

[@Hambini]

I think this might be necessary

[@lemonshire1]

Would be very interested to see a video on that

[@cannon1156]

And you consider DR is not a load of crap? He is an extreme narcissist. Anyone who doesn't agree with him is hounded via the internet or even pursued through their workplace. The guy is a disgrace

[@theillegalimmigrant9314]

@@zerofrictioncycling992 Is it true you made some racist comments about Hambini?

[@durianriders]

@@theillegalimmigrant9314 he did. I heard them. When he realised I’m a fan of unfiltered types like Hambini he changed his tune very quickly. Adam is an incredibly fake corporate type IME. I’ve made several requests to debate him on his ‘backyard data’ and instead he ignores my points and diverts the attention with some slander by sharing some conspiracy/hate website links about me. If you think I’m lying go watch his video about me. It’s soon to be his most viral video so far at this rate. Adam mate you are a disgrace to all the genuine rape victims out there. You know it mate. Get back to your spare room in the house your wife paid for and keep flipping Shimano chains to noobs for $200. Sad mate. You are ex cop so should know better. Live debate me if you have any credibility. You won’t reply to this. But everyone can see it. You claim you can measure power directly?? Why is everyone else using torque and cadence then? Even the name Zero Friction Cycling is misleading ESPECIALLY as you are trying to be a backyard chemical engineer wannabe. A more honest name would be ‘Backyard lube tests Australia’ If I’m wrong about any of the above debate me. Unlike you I’m OK with being wrong. You can’t be wrong. Sociopaths can’t.

[@padraicbateman]

Sram lost against Princeton late February this year. There was no patent infringement according to the jury.

[@tweed0929]

So, if the hub is not the best, tell us what's wrong with the hub. This review is incomplete.

[@0harris0]

didn't he basically say there's nothing wrong with it, it's just not the best 🤷‍♂

[@tweed0929]

@@0harris0 arguments needed, not the reaction.

[@0harris0]

@@tweed0929 pedant 🙄 have you had entry level/bog standard hubs before? imagine that. well done.

[@louisvuittondom]

How does a more narrow inner rim width affect wider gravel tires 38-42mm?

[@docmccoy9813]

4:39 I've never seen so many achronyms in one product! All bullshit, of course.

[@larryt.atcycleitalia5786]

That would be TBS, right? What does FSA really mean..."Fooled the Suckers Again"?

[@0harris0]

it's total LESP behaviour "LABEL EVERYTHING as a SELLING POINT" 🤣

[@fleurdelispens]

Any plans to take a crack at Chris King's new ostensibly recyclable carbon rim? I want to believe them, but I've learned a lot of cynicism from you and other biketubers

[@ralphmartinez8616]

Hellllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooooooooo❤ !!

[@Naptime48]

falcon pro?....... 80's bMX company, are they still about?

[@nafsikakaramanou5809]

Are you from pakistan ?

[@noeldanganan1638]

Oy

[@devdroid9606]

What is that crap on the pawls? Pawls should be lubricated only with oil. No grease. Grease teeth lightly.

[@Alex-to8es]

I know your whole aim is to be abrasive at times, but not normalising the volume of the sound on your videos is just unproductive and annoying to be honest. Make all the non-PC jokes you want if you have valid information to give, which you do, there however is no reason for poor sound production, I almost said production value there, but the pen is working says we will stick with sound there!

[@Epitome63]

The company likely picked a cherry to send you.