WC3 - [ORC] Lyn vs Eer0 [UD] - Bo3 Round Robin - Huashan Sword Cup

[@kimeric7673]

That micro is insane by lyn

[@comedyclubpodcast]

Lyn is God :)

[@robertbendkowski3385]

The way Lyn feels this game is just insane. I'm a fanboy, 100% confirmed!

[@comedyclubpodcast]

Great game guys, thank you all

[@leonnunhofer3453]

Nice orc air games! I really liked it! It will work even better, if he improves his mana and item management. Less fights with clarity and speed scrolls against statues, because he often gained nothing and had to use gold to buy new mana potions, clarities and scrolls. This strat with less wasted gold, maybe an orb instead, maybe even focus on a tiny great hall instead, because that can win him the game and forces the UD to attack into him, so 1 burrow 1 tower 1 great hall instead of chasing the UD with mana potion, speed scroll and clarity without killing anything, while UD has statues and snipes a bat from time to time, and he would do even better. I would love to see him improve this strat, be more efficient with resources, get an early tiny and then either go 80 supply or let the UD attack into a defensive position 🙂

[@uuuu6590]

How come no one says gg anymore :(

[@leonnunhofer3453]

I think it just doesn't show chat

[@leonnunhofer3453]

Lmao. Imagine game 1 with 2 orbs instead of over 1k gold in the 1st fight at Lyn's base, and imagine a tiny in the south after he won this fight instead of buying items, fighting and using items and later trying the great hallo in the north. Orc sustain, healing, mana, clarities is just so expensive, 120 at one point had 5 statues, so if he just had stopped fighting and spending gold on mana, he would have had enough money for the tiny and to go to 70 supply or more, and it would have been a different game. After he went tiny against Happy and won, I really expected him to go for the tiny the first chance he gets, but no. Instead he sells all his items, spends all his gold for mana, stays at 50 while 120 cathes up, while 120 has good items, statues and 3 heroes with decent levels, and loses. For me, it looked like a throw, because he gained nothing from fighting, he just donated wolfs and lost gold, so doing nothing by getting a tiny would have been far better than the constant fighting. Was fun to watch, but sad, that he threw the game like that 🤷‍♂️

[@nightyonetwothree]

yes, its pure throw attempt, banking 1k+ gold while you are under push.

[@xlatheblackdragon705]

And people still whine about orc balance??

[@alexch3618]

This is why focus won't be the best orc. He comes up with a strategy to beat happy but executes it poorly with bad micro. Lyn spreads his wyverns out so they all don't get coil/nova/acid bombed.

[@123pa1n]

imagine losing to 5 statues just because...

[@NicholasBarkley]

Undead has no answer to mass air

[@alexch3618]

because web sucks right? It's a choice to "mass ghoul forever until ghoul nerf"

[@nickbarkley7569]

​@@alexch3618Clear by your comment youre a

[@thehellsong]

@@nickbarkley7569 man, fiends are the anti air units which counter orc air easily in straight up fight, its just by design bats>gargs and wyverns>destros and if UD add ghouls it's even less anti-air in UD army, but orc air units are so squishy that recently UD don't even bother about anti-air army and deal with orc air with just spells and heroes (pretty successful more often than not), but if orc micro like that and splits units to avoid spells maybe UD should try some anti air which will back them to some slower pace which they don't wanna play

[@xlatheblackdragon705]

​@@thehellsongabsolutely well spoken. But fiends are so bad beside web. Also so expensive that you can't build them enough in number. I just think UD units are pretty bad compared to other races.

[@Back2Warcraft]

we've observed many times that fiends just die too quickly to chain lighting + t3 wyvern focus.

[@pauldanielgatchalian7401]

wow

[@marcopizzolitto8048]

Ud win: op need nerf on coil/nova/destro/ghouls/orb, flame with 890 post crying; when ork win with 70 wiv + a click lyn is the best in the world (which is kinda true but still ilarious).

[@PeteCrawfordCrawford]

Behold the "best" Orc build Vs Undead our of 12 different builds that have been tried in the past 18 months, and it's still trash. In the series Vs Happy, Lyn lost even after killing both of Happy's heroes with Happy being at 19 food. Here, all 120 had to do to win was to attack bestiary with ghouls at 7 minutes when the number of wyversn was still tiny and take it out. This strategy is *not* winnable Vs high level UD heroes, like Happy showed in the last series. Also, it's funnyt that Neo keeps complaining about how OP this strat is, but when Happy won 4 games in a row Vs Lyn by just shredding Lyn's HHs and burrows like paper over and over again he just keps talking about all the "mistakes" that Lyn was making. Here, it's just Lyn winning with OP unit, even though it is actually the squishiest unit in all of WC3.

[@menpower1]

120 is such a noob for losing to Orc with UD. All he had to do was build statues and coil nova yet he could not manage that

[@MacLeodConnor]

Dude shut up

[@dogand366]

Than happy noob too, he also lost 2:1 :)

[@thedanielfux]

♥ !! Staff for Orc & Undead !! ♥ Humans teleport HP! Tanks (+heal)!! Elfs teleport HP! Stone Giant (+heal)!! This is not FAYR PLAY! :/ :/ Orc & Undead dont have this efect and item. >:((

[@nightyonetwothree]

too easy for no rax t2 wyverns. Just aclick, add bats vs gargs, press heal few times.

[@dantonkull6491]

If wyverns become meta, surely Ud can do some kind of towerush with mass fiends or ghouls though

[@Biobin123]

T2 wyverns needs to be massed + needs to be microd so wont die in 1 aoe + needs several bats + needs t3 upgrades + needs 2 lvl 4 hero. There is huge window of opportunity to punish. Also 1 micro mistake and they are all gone. To counter it you can a) rush orc b) go mass gargs and armor upgrade c) few fiends won’t hurt. No?

[@nightyonetwothree]

@@Biobin123 a) fortification at t2; b) 3 armor upgrades (600 gold, 600 lumber, 3:45 minutes) to survive 1 direct bat explosion. Just to die to splash/chainlightning/random hit. It can work with 1-2 bat numbers, but overall it's big gamble for lots of resources. c) fiends are nice, but there is no time for transition into them. Orc already have better t2/t3 timings, better creeping (levels, items to sell), higher army food and high probabilty of an expansion. If there were time for ud, there will be dl 3rd or even panda. The ghouls +gargs are the fastest tempo ud can provide to slow orc creeping by forcing orc train few bats (wyvs have much higher dps => faster creeping) (also bats can be shot by 200mana coil2+nova in some situations)

[@Biobin123]

@@nightyonetwothree So orc goes to t3 farms creeps ( slower than ud) till has 2 lvl 4 heros gets mass air with full upgrades and bats. And you want it to be countered by t1 wood gathering ghouls? :)) happy didn’t tryharded cause he was already ahead in points even after losing he is n1 in this tournament and lyn took 3 place … Just wait we will see happy vs lyn again and you will see that mass air against ud is coin flip at best. This is not new strategy lyn won in 2023 woth mass air too and that was just countered instantly in next tournament it will be the same.

[@nightyonetwothree]

​@@Biobin123 it's not strat being countered. It's lyn slack and played worse - the only way ud can win it. You see nowadays lyn changed creeproutes and start to use bats a bit = easy wins. As for ud, there is no real antiair - all races abuse same summons into mass air strats for 20+ years, which cannot be played outside vs-ud matchups. It says something

[@XiaClaireGo]

Alchemist idea is stupid cant coil! Useless much better have spiders! And statue and ghouls dr