WC3 - [UD] Happy vs Lyn [ORC] - Bo3 Round Robin - Huashan Sword Cup

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Bo3 Round Robin
[UD] Happy vs Lyn [ORC]
Cast by: Neo
Date: May 9th, 2024
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[@StolenMemes-101]

Can you please bring back the old layout in which heroes' health and mana are shown

[@yiowruvern2932]

agreed

[@arunn3882]

Totally agree

[@yongefy]

Agreed

[@bazikon7717]

Also it's very hard to see the items details on items, for example the numbers on claws of attack. They are just simply too small.

[@sdamer4609]

+1 the new one is way too...reforged

[@KorisnikBr1]

These tier D units are OP

[@alexch3618]

4k.grabby has opinions about balance. He should be posting hard data like: "how much damage did ghouls do from 9 minute mark to 13 minute mark over 30 games of the top 2 UD?" but he doesn't have access to that data.

[@user-xm3zm6im3k]

the unit itself is dog.. grubby is right.. but multiplication it thru skill and everevolving meta + maybe JUST maybe happy wasnt his best self that day may result in a win.. dont get used to it

[@horderob2025]

@@user-xm3zm6im3k definitely wasnt Happy's best. Tbh, i think it was one-trick strategy, next time Happy wont allow to build a critical mass, Lyn is gonna use something else

[@pablocortinas360]

​​@@user-xm3zm6im3k but that is not the point. Tier D units are units that are pretty much never used in competitive scene and wind raiders are used quite often and have their advantages ( can be built quite early and have high damage). They are used in two matchups ( ud and ne). He put witch doctors in Tier C when they are virtually never used.

[@009_Ghostly_Systematic]

Yea but 2nd game proves that they do feed a lot exp and out scaled by heroes late game. Oh and lyn needed a shop to have mana on expo for better recovery.

[@kgx8805]

This Mass Air style is obviously not what Lyn wants to play. Hopefully Orc can play ground and triple Hero again post-patch. That was way more entertaining to watch as well.

[@franksinatra3393]

For the warchief...

[@elliott-waves-academy]

who is the warchief?

[@StankoAx]

I love this matchup so much since Lyn started using Wyverns. It is so satisfactory to watch UD hero melt in 3 seconds cause its usually the other way around.

[@NotCarpeDM]

Genius play - game 1 Happy sent a few ghouls with backpack to just creep the item on the top left green spot while creeping/dealing with FS.

[@thehellsong]

Lyn's micro control is just insane. He is just the best

[@elliott-waves-academy]

Not in game 2

[@lynzhu6934]

Lyn’s micro is clearly better than Happy especially in large scale (>60) combat

[@elliott-waves-academy]

@@lynzhu6934 That's not true

[@randomstuffs8495]

​@@lynzhu6934clearly better ? Ain't no way you said that with such confidence, that is debatable at best!

[@lynzhu6934]

@@elliott-waves-academy it’s always been the case

[@LeonxLeon]

Where is the gold star ??? Really enjoyed this :)

[@ugurigun]

43:05 THIS FUCKIN DIDN'T HAPPEN, RIGHT?!! THIS NO WAY FUCKIN DIDN'T. POINT!!!

[@ayar527]

Only big maps are suit for this strat against happy, well done by Lyn

[@leonnunhofer3453]

Really nice 1st wyvern game! Edit: UD heroes are strong. The last fight. Happy had 2 ghouls 1 destro 1 statue and his 3 heroes and won vs Lyn's 2 lvl 5 heroes, at least 2 raiders, lvl 3 wolfs and a lot of wyvern and some bats 😂 Edit 2: Really nice 3rd game. Happy's items were crazy in all games, in game 2 he had 2 mantles 2 claws 1 circlet on a lvl 1.6 Lich, but the 2 auras in game 3 for Lyn were cool. Especially true shot. His wyverns deleted heroes like it's nothing. Very cool game! 🥰

[@MacLeodConnor]

Don't count wolfes please they are the part of spells.. and 3 heroes vs 2 is a huge thing for every race.. Alchemist was level 5 dude.. and he had just 4 wyverns and rider .. vs 2 statues and one destro.. 1 hero adventage is so huge .. level 5 Alchemist is like 5-6 units.... game is pure.. tactic was bad.. he should micro better.. no shop there .. he didn' kuyt.. he make bad decision thats all.. he should wait more army hit and run.. but he didn't do it

[@pianotorious47]

The mental fortitude from both players was insane.

[@gor818]

Keep in mind orc is the only race that doesn’t have a Heavy flying unit. So yeah. For our flying units? They’re MAYBE TIER C glass cannons and super expensive… and 4 supply.

[@zxcvasdfg3762]

Damn, if only undead had a unit that can cast ensnare on air units and also has atack type that deals bonus damage to the light armour and also benefits from the same armor and damage upgrades as gargoyles and also produced from the same building, so happy could build this type of units instead of the gargoyles and win the game.

[@qbetrayer666]

:'D

[@qbetrayer666]

Shame those units don't exist xd

[@Back2Warcraft]

usually fiends disappear quickly vs mass wyvern & heroes. in theory it works well, but in reality it really doesnt oin this level

[@zxcvasdfg3762]

@@Back2Warcraft I bet he could kite them pretty good with nova+web+unholy aura, because you cant dive while half of your army sitting behind in web< and its not mentioning the fact that half of his army(ghouls) can now atack the wywerns.

[@AdoneSound]

@@zxcvasdfg3762 add carrion swarm on top and its imba again xD

[@user-fn1yz8qu9r]

It is Lyn’s micro control, not new strategy

[@kuschelwuscheI]

OMG finally

[@geuxber3588]

dk & dl, 2 statues, and mass fiends would absolutely wreck whatever could come out of 2 bestiaries

[@luisalbertobaldeonprado]

¡Que buenas partidas jugó Lyn..! Controló bien a Happy con los aereos... GG

[@Jon-tz9nd]

Neo always roots for the player who is against Happy. He has some Happyphobia. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@4bafiafzil999]

Neo is happyphilia for some time too!

[@Jon-tz9nd]

@@4bafiafzil999 😂😂😂😂😂

[@HobbyBowler]

amazing games

[@oelefante]

Finally Lyn plays the correct strategy against UD, and surprise surprise, he wrecked Happy

[@gonza2687]

Ya la habia utilizado y perdio varias veces y otros orcos tambien la usaron

[@xtremelemon8612]

2-1 yeah thats cute, def not "wrecked" him but he won indeed. Congratz to Lyn, he beat him once lmao.

[@Lucas-uo9ml]

you can be outplayed, no economy, no army and still win with 3 heroes and 2 status UD OP

[@Squall1st]

the UD heroes feel like a hammer late game :/

[@lynzhu6934]

Exactly. 30 supplies beat 60 supplies

[@xtremelemon8612]

you confuse Happys talent for an inbalance of the race he plays. Lyn beats most pro UD players, just not Happy because its the best player in the world, I think it makes sense, this constant complaining is getting silly tbh.

[@lynzhu6934]

@@xtremelemon8612 happy is clearly an outstanding player, but that doesn’t change the fact that UD is imbalanced

[@Lucas-uo9ml]

@@xtremelemon8612 he's one of the bests for sure but UD broken race is what keeps him in the top 1 spot

[@MrRhee16]

Finally!

[@KhoiNguyen-vc8gr]

Warcraft is so crazy, the 2nd game is crazy, and Happy is crazy as helll

[@123pa1n]

ud buys 2 heroes at tavern for 1k+ gold, gets back to base and buys 2 mana pots from shop and can still effort to build statues, on one base. Imagine an orc player doing that......

[@jialerchang9256]

Why didnt lyn use mass wyvern strat vs happy more often in the past? Seems to be rly effective with good micro

[@Larravok]

Because he considers it to be lame and boring

[@Squall1st]

@@Larravok - I gotta agree with Lyn here since orc units have a lot of interesting picks, but he has to settle for this weird mixture to get a grasp over the match up. It was enjoyable to watch, but I feel like I'd prefer watching his bladamaster and different units etc. Considering with what the commentator said that in the past Lyn went through billions of unit combinations with no success.

[@Zycoxy]

happy mortal ?

[@tak08810]

Where’s that guy Twassel always crying about UD vs Orc don’t show him game 2 lol he’ll prob die

[@Horangs714]

The fact Orc has to play perfect to even have a chance against UD matchup shows how broken this matchup is. Good for Lyn but this shit is busted

[@xtremelemon8612]

you confuse Happys talent for an inbalance of the race he plays. Lyn beats most pro UD players, just not Happy because its the best player in the world, I think it makes sense, this constant complaining is getting silly tbh.

[@Peatopher90]

grubby in shambles

[@alexandrehenrique9681]

Very happy for Lyn

[@johnw.7399]

I wonder if there is soa much respect from lyn for happy, that he is so feared not trying to close out the game. You can see it most clearly in the last game when Lyn like 2 or 3 times with bigger and stronger army runs away from just a few units from happy and letting him do his coil nova his game. He just had to turn arround and could easily kill units one by one. Thats bad macro for me, not realizing when you have it, specially with a player like happy who's got insane comeback potential like in the middle game. Funnily enough Lyn wins cause of his good macro and micro, its just missing at certain points of the game.

[@ramtintashakkor7311]

UD is insanely OP. happy stans who disagree just dont understand the game very well

[@erionskitchen3829]

I think if Lyn can add the TC on this air army I would say he would have even better chances to beat happy. If Lyn decided to add the Tc even low lvl in game 2 he would win for sure.

[@dearberlin]

Why is Happy so stubborn and doesn't play Fiends/Banshees against this?

[@xtremelemon8612]

I agree, with a simple noob mass fiend strat he could win, maybe dont even need banshees

[@randomstuffs8495]

That game 2 is something else lol

[@demetrenikabadze5468]

Yup and cause of it happy goes to finals and lyn takes 3 place…

[@randomstuffs8495]

​​@@demetrenikabadze5468You know where to watch all the games of the cup?

[@user-tl5zi9tq4t]

Happy always gets big mana😅

[@mladenjovanovic2735]

How this is not Legendary? Game 2 was epic

[@wraithofhammer]

But arent Wyvern supposed to be bad?

[@matthewaccetturo419]

Carrion swarm...it's a thing.

[@alexch3618]

wyvern > ghouls >>>> headhunters > fiends > wyverns. matchup still sucks

[@martiniliev6885]

There is nothing crazy about the 2nd game. It just shows how insanely OP undead heroes and statues are. 65 orc supply loses easily vs 38 undead supply. Try to explain this Happy fans... and don't say Happy outplayed Lyn cuz Lyn destoyed Happy until the last second this game.

[@hs-srb6335]

gg

[@tehmastawow]

10:11 look at this inventory and tell me orc has any chance of winning. Just wtf

[@JuliaoMota-yq4jn]

He bleeds...

[@chopstikz127]

I think BM Shadow Wyv is better than FS

[@alexexceptional7588]

2nd game Ggggggggg❤

[@jinku77]

Sorry for being such a noob but can someone explain me why Happy is not going mass fiend to ensnare the wyverns?

[@bozosaurus666]

Fiends are too slow. In a 4v4 yeah fiends will be more efficient but not in a 1v1. Alchemist with acid bomb and coil nova and gargs is a better option against wyverns. But yeah I find it a little weird not to have at least 1 or 2 fiends as support

[@qbetrayer666]

​@@bozosaurus666That's lot of bs you spiting right here huh

[@bozosaurus666]

@@qbetrayer666 and u love men

[@lf2334]

I really don't think the strat in the first game from Lyn was cheesy. It's an RTS. Do what you have to do to win. I remember back in the day a lot of humans would expand and mass tanks. It's viable. Whatever it takes to win.

[@hs-srb6335]

lyn;3

[@thedanielfux]

♥ !! Staff for Orc & Undead !! ♥ Humans teleport HP! Tanks (+heal)!! Elfs teleport HP! Stone Giant (+heal)!! This is not FAYR PLAY! :/ :/ Orc & Undead dont have this efect and item. >:((

[@user-bm8lb9se3l]

This series is more like a 3-0 to me.

[@oliveroliver760]

Go

[@isaacisaac1130]

Happy got owned in all 3 games, was lucky in game 2 and still whiners whine about balance.

[@ramtintashakkor7311]

happy lose a fight and get ass whooped, ,meanwhile neo "sickkkkk town portal by happy so great wow" dude its stop being such a Happy stan you are hard to listen to

[@Igorsov]

Tier D unit 🙈

[@terompoindue2604]

If you think that Happy knows that lyn play wyverns and still play ghouls yes are tier D . Imagine go grunts vs hipporiders , griphons and win the game .

[@Igorsov]

@@terompoindue2604 🤦‍♂️Happy must be dumb then, all 3 games didn’t know what to do with mass wind riders, but here is you Mr. nobody sitting in the comment section telling a god tier player not to build ghouls🤣Orc has superior Air Force. Bat Riders should be tuned down.

[@yoool7137]

how many times did lyn failed with this strat and i am sure happy will find a counter soon against the wyvern. Lyn deserved it man, the losing streak against happy was a complete joke

[@Igorsov]

@@yoool7137 Not sure. None? Do you have a specific number in mind? If this is even true, that mean he is been doing something wrong or didn’t try hard enough as Happy does it at all times?

[@demetrenikabadze5468]

@@Igorsov Happy won game to and 1 map was all he needed 2-1 means happy in finals lyn 3 place… there was no need to win 3 map…

[@generalzane842]

He copied my style

[@ivankirkov]

Sorry Neo , balance

[@NicholasBarkley]

Undead has no answer to mass air.

[@timfink7980]

Lol. Maybe it’s more that happy played ghoul destro every time

[@nickbarkley7569]

​@@timfink7980Clear by your comment youre a

[@eliokhoueiry]

No answer to air wheres the web fiens? He should grab 3-4 fiens to web the bats while microing his destroyers and gargs back pulling batts back with heal scrolls coil and nova and mass rod of necromancy on all heroes to produce his melee stack instead of ghouls

[@cesarpreto1093]

statues are not broken at all , just putting out there

[@user-nf9zf3sx7d]

Need fix coil nova orb

[@AdvocatusDiaboli1992]

right after ud got beaten by orc, when will you ppl stop crying ur heart out about coil+nova?? You would continue bitching about it even when ud had 0 % wr, just pathetic.

[@user-nf9zf3sx7d]

@@AdvocatusDiaboli1992 Delete your comment and don't write anymore... Everyone knows that this is an imba. I think the juvenile bottom is playing for the ud

[@AdvocatusDiaboli1992]

@@user-nf9zf3sx7d Just pathetic.

[@demetrenikabadze5468]

@@AdvocatusDiaboli1992 Game 2 win for happy meant he goes to finals and lyn goes to 3 place… it’s just sad

[@user-nf9zf3sx7d]

@@demetrenikabadze5468In the second game, even lyn freaked out...fierce imba

[@agustinbarreto3035]

Happy very nooooob

[@agustinbarreto3035]

Lyn noooob...

[@SuperSkandale]

Lyn won a game in ages against Happy's UD. I guess that now means Orc is overpowered and must need nerfing.

[@nightyonetwothree]

wow it turns out batriders obliutirate ud air just by 600 damage oneshotting gargs and splash also. Only Happy was able to dominate the scene for years while ud is such a trash race.

[@thehellsong]

or you can play fiends vs wyverns

[@demetrenikabadze5468]

1. Happy didn’t microed look and wind raiders all split otherwise nova, + alchemist gg… 2. Game 2 showed how bad situation is also that win was all happy needed now happy goes in finals with 1 map advantage on lyn and lyn goes to fight for 3 place just sad

[@nightyonetwothree]

@@thehellsong where have you been 3 years ago when all ud played fiends vs wyvs? It just didnt work. It will end ud heroes at 1/1/1 levels or all fiends will die to hex focusfire. Wyvs are just outnumber fiends and get even more map control. Ghouls at least provide some creepspeed to allow dk reach level 3.

[@thehellsong]

@@nightyonetwothree UD can open with ghouls and then ad fiends as anti air, gargs has always been clueless unit against orc but UD so used for mass ghouls speed and focus advantage so they just refuse to comeback to fiends and still they often manage to kill half of bats with spells and win air battle even with gargs

[@nightyonetwothree]

@@thehellsong yes, but also no. It sounds good on paper, but why Happy switched from fiends to ghouls into fiends into ghouls? Cause you have no time for web research and producing fiends, while also you will need to research frenzy later. So you have window before t3 you'll have to research web and build few fiends. But you have no resources to do it because you need to queue t3+hero+slaughterhouse+ziggurat. Also building few gargs forces orc to build few bats, reducing orc creepspeed (bats are bad at creeping) and giving ud an edge to nuke bats (if orc is bad at control, he'll miss healing wave in coilnova window). Summary - 1-2 fiends will be fighting 6-8 wyvs and lose map control completely, while few gargs will at least slow orc a bit. Overall it's bad/bad situation for ud. If Happy mained orc i guarantee he'll go t2 no rax wyvs 10/10 vs ud and all commenters will cry "wyvs op, nerf wyvs". But wyvs aren't op, it's just abuse of ud weaknesses - no dispel + no good antiair, all races abuse summons into massair vs ud and won games easily (faeries/gyros/hawks/gryphons/wyvs, even worst gargs are viable).

[@dmitriystoyanov933]

Is He find a key?!