WC3 - [UD] Happy vs Fortitude [HU] - Bo3 Showmatch - Don't Force Me Cup 85

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Bo3 Showmatch
[UD] Happy vs Fortitude [HU]
Cast by: Neo
Date: May 12th, 2024
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[@PK13719]

Spoilershield

[@peppek8631]

this and on every video pls! ❤

[@PK13719]

@@peppek8631 yeah man, keep it going :P

[@statspro2561]

Thanks

[@NicholasBarkley]

Human gets to always complete an expo and always cancel undeads. After humans expo has been running long enough, hu has access to better units, better items, and better heros. You can thank B2W for this imbalanced match up. To increase viewership, B2W has cried for undead nerfs to underhandedly give Happy a challenge. For 2 years, B2W has been pushing balance patches around Happy.

[@JuliaoMota-yq4jn]

When he was winning everything wasn't balance? Be a man, stop crying, he lost a series.

[@nightyonetwothree]

I would like to watch some kind of "old patch tournaments" to check if they really being so bad balanced or players just didnt play best strats at old times.

[@4bafiafzil999]

MK was never bad, even a year ago he had not any change. The players just didn't use them and scream only AM 1st is viable

[@ando2351]

Gg! Ty for cast guys!!

[@mystiosmystios2534]

Indeed, what an incredible match up ! Week after week, decision making is evolving in order to find (eventualy) a counter lol A pleasure to watch ! :D Thanks to the players and to neo :)

[@divayazdian8465]

At exactly 42:10 into this video he realized... I have absolutely zero chance with this strategy. Fml. It's over. Of he just stayed head strong and went tier 3 and snuck around and avoided TPs and those other 6 units... he could have wamboozled his way to victory. Anyways, great broadcasting as always. Thank you neo. I tried not to spoil anything with my comment btw lol. Let me know if I did. Just wanted to tell you how it could have been done

[@TheGGMediaMemonto]

Where can i watch that recent interview with happy? 15:28

[@nightyonetwothree]

damn, game 1: human is so greedy, he chose to lose a game, but not to spend 800+gold 300+lumber. "I build 5 footies already, i would not spend any more money on defense until t3 even i 100% know ud going to push asap at t3 timing".

[@nightyonetwothree]

game 2: human level up am to 2+ level, get 11 militia and few footies to creep camp for expo, being creepjacked by dk level 2+ skeletons + ghouls => easily creep all the camp, killing exchanging ghouls for some peasants by the way. Then t2 + mass towers, as ud cant do anything and even cant creep dk to level 3 as army supply is so low. Human come to ud base with just am to harass, do almost no damage (some acolytes were forced to repair slaughterhouse and that's it), then ud reach t3 with no gold to even buy orb, creep dk to 3 level and start siege (even get wagon as people were asking for) - and wagons failed obviously (as i predicted many times, obviously worst siege unit, not a tank at all). 1st copters come out and instakill destoyer, making water elems great again (oneshot ghouls etc). Then knights come out of rax and steamroll fiends, ghouls, wagons, dk, lich, dr. Shortly: no chance for ud as soon as human get am level 3 (securing early+midgame) + expo (securing lategame). PS: It was still possible human will chose to make no army and just bank as many gold as possible to fulfil his greed. But this time he chose to win a game.

[@Looking-for-today]

It always was easier to happy win the game by not expanding and investing in tech. Why then try to expand and get punished by water elementals 3? The new solution is the old solution 👏👏

[@sanaebeast4485]

Are you sure one base UD always be easier to against expanding hum for Happy? Also other UD nearly lost to against any races with economic disadvantages.

[@Looking-for-today]

@@sanaebeast4485 yes, im sure

[@4bafiafzil999]

Yeah with current patch favoring HvU, it's best if happy go 1 base coz UD will never can compete with 2 bases HU but it's much easier than a year ago Most buffs HU got couple of months ago to help them play 1 base. I don't think that buffs encourage any 1 base play at all but fexpo even more lmao

[@quackyduck2276]

Do you know what I would like to see? What if Forty fake expands? He could build tower at expo to show happy he wants to expand but techs instead and cancels happies exe over and over again with water ele. This could be the start of an interesting game once forty is T3 🤔

[@user-lt6ps2vd5o]

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[@user-co5bp8nq7e]

maybe play DL first some how since he can deal solo with gyros and at lvl think i guess golem destroys tanks.

[@nightyonetwothree]

sure, infernal is great vs tanks as chaos damage do 100% to fortified armor while hero do 50%, mellee do 70% and ranged/magic 35%. So chaos is 2x+ times more effective vs tanks than average units/heroes.

[@user-fu2tx9hp4r]

​@@nightyonetwothreeWhat infernal? 5 level DL is end for human, gyros just stop to exist.

[@nightyonetwothree]

@@user-fu2tx9hp4r human have other units to roll over ud. Hawks are typical air mass vs dl for example.

[@user-fu2tx9hp4r]

@@nightyonetwothree hawks too squishy too. Maybe fast t3 gryphons with a lot of heal scrolls.

[@nightyonetwothree]

@@user-fu2tx9hp4r Dragonhawks are 725hp for 3 food unit! Dryads are 435, fiend is 550hp. If hawks are too squishy for you, i dont know what to say.

[@iniceone818]

why forty destroy harry so ez ?

[@noxiansummoner1730]

Wdym? Happy won. Also its 14 vs 50 games in Happy's favor. Ez my as@.

[@iniceone818]

@@noxiansummoner1730 yeah ur ass is rly ez :3

[@kgx8805]

I don’t get all the balance whine in the comments. Why is it so bad to have one bad matchup for UD? (UD vs HU) Every race has their bad matchup at the moment. UD vs NE is almost impossible for Elf and UD vs Orc is also bad for Orc at the moment. Besides, Human players just play really good at the moment.

[@user-fu2tx9hp4r]

So good we have multiple top humans. How much we have top ud? 1? 1.5?

[@nightyonetwothree]

according to w3champions (1.36.1 patch) 2200+ mmr stats: hum 56% vs 44% ud; (~11.9% difference, so hum wins 56/44 = ~27% more games) ne 46.2% vs 53.8% ud; (7.6% diff, ud win ~16% more) orc 49.6% vs 50.4% ud; (~0.8% diff, ud win ~1.7% more games) also, knowing 3 Happy's accounts, we can subtract his stats from those. Then same state (but excluding Happy's wins and loses): hum 66.6% vs 33.4% ud; (~33.2% difference, humans win ~199.2% more games) ne 52.7% vs 47.3% ud; (~5.4% difference, nelves win ~11% more) orc 55% vs 45% ud; (~10% difference, orcs win ~22.4% more) It's not just "one bad matchup for UD". It's not "UD vs NE is almost impossible for Elf". It's not "Orc is also bad". It's not "Human players just play really good at the moment"

[@matthewaccetturo419]

Takes way more skill to win as human. Happy loses 5 games out of 100, and all the UD noobs start crying imba.

[@martiniliev6885]

Happy changes the one strategy he has played for 1 month and wins the game 1. Happy fanboys keep whning about balance when your hero plays the same shit for 100 games and delusional people keep arguing that it's balance that's responsible for Happy losing vs human... It is a strategy game boys, you are supposed to swtich strategies to be unpredictable and not get countered easily. But I suppose when you play Lich + DK + statues every single game and winning with it 90% of the time you do not need brain for strategies ... what a joke.

[@nightyonetwothree]

and human players never change the one strategy, they even didnt improve the skill. They just wait until ud will be patched to death

[@leonnunhofer3453]

Humans play multiple strategies, like mortars vs banshees, or knight + gyro, or casters, breakers, and they even switch up opening heroes. AM or MK, sometimes even Pala, while Happy just played Lich first, just now it's sometimes DK first. So humans have a lot of strategies, and play different late game armies, so I can't see, how you could come to the conclusion, they "never change the one strategy". Did you even watch the games 🤨

[@nightyonetwothree]

@@leonnunhofer3453 it's not strategies, its just units/compositions they can mass to aclick. Strat is the same - place fastexpo, tech t3, mass anything, aclick.

[@rich531]

@@nightyonetwothreeHu need fast expo to stay relevant in the match. Just like how UDs rely on coil+nova.

[@nightyonetwothree]

@@rich531 ud need expand or even extra one over human, as human are superior in heroes and units. Just how humans rely on free units saves and healing with staffs, while throw stormbolts and holylight left and right, and free water elems killing all ud units.

[@user-lt6ps2vd5o]

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