We are so confused by the world (PGA Tour 2K21)

[@toasty4000000]

can we PLEASE get more of Ross Hornby reading dumbass song lyrics in his normal voice, just with a slightly disgusted tone?????

[@danielbook]

Great way to start an episode, absolutely.

[@user-co2ps4yo7k]

the greying melon

[@ZGryphon]

It reminded me of a friend of mine in high school, who was well known for his critical reading of the lyrics to "Surprise! You're Dead!" by Faith No More.

[@TadhghR]

Like a younger KZbinr British Grey Melon version of a Bill Shatner performing a spoken word song...?! Definitely.

[@lilcrowlet1802]

This was just more hatchat, I'm here for it

[@theeutecticpoint]

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[@FPSNecromancerBob]

I too enjoyed this episode of that chat. Thanks hat films. Thatfilms

[@Simple6String]

It's like a Trials series level of Lego Talk

[@captainlemonn]

Most of this was Smith and Trott having in depth deep phylusophical conversations... And Ross playing some solid golf

[@nakenmil]

I just want some good consistent golf.

[@Lukeyy19]

I just want to appreciate Ross' reply to Smith's comment at 7:40.

[@honestbrit8035]

The occasional hatfilms gem where they go deep into philosophy, love it

[@Death_of_Sound]

it's never expected, but always welcome

[@honestbrit8035]

@@Death_of_Sound a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one

[@michaelleggett6100]

Trust me, I found myself talking through my phone 🤣

[@theeutecticpoint]

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[@jordy0208]

Ross cracking out the dad jokes and nobody even noticing killed me

[@Casowsky]

"...but did he know it?" "Like lots of Aunts?"

[@silhouby]

i just wanna say, to expand on the "role models/influencers" topic, is that you three are fairly self-aware about this kinda stuff and your overall behavior, whereas plenty of others aren't. like at least y'all are thinking about these things and are making an effort while others are still stuck in this mindset that they're infallible or untouchable b/c of their position, and make zero effort in changing themselves for the better. and it's definitely something i for one appreciate and why i keep coming back.

[@bebw1999]

I absolutely adore these rambling podcast-esque videos, pls don't second guess releasing content like this

[@wagcodydulaney4970]

I've been watching you guys since a bit before Skylands. You guys deserve much more from KZbin, both in viewers and a bit of that algorithmic love.

[@bishbosh7728]

Agreed there's so many shit KZbinrs out there that have so much more subs but they make absolutely shit content. The hat bois are great content and just the random shit that they talk about when playing games is great content.

[@slightcurve98]

So true been watching the bois since like 2015/16. They are so good and should have hit a million ages ago

[@TokkiYamaguchi]

Smith, I really enjoy it when you have reactions, debates, devil's advocate moments. Not because I always agree but because I always enjoy thinking about things and just making sure I second guess some concepts etc! I think that's why I've been watching you guys content for the last ten years, as well as your comedy and collaborations it's the convos that I look forward to the most, hence I'm a massive fan of the hat chats. Anyway, I'm rambling. Love you 4 (I see you Craig)

[@isaac7931]

It is such a different experience to argumentative debates. These kind of conversations where u really are just listening to someone voice their thoughts and feelings about something in a fairly humble way, even if you don't agree with them fully, are so much more fulfilling and useful

[@Zeigler_]

15:50 Can someone explain, haven't watched their streams in a while :'(

[@c0rse]

Reddit post discussing it: www.reddit.com/r/Hatfilms/comments/j2o5cd/boik_appreciation_after_todays_stream/

[@Zeigler_]

@@c0rse Thank you :)

[@CLBellamey]

This is the only video I could find from the stream: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYGuiqhsqL1rsKs\ I honestly couldn't even watch the whole thing because Syndicate is so cringe worthy. And that's coming from somebody that used to be a huge fan of his.

[@Icebolt854]

@@c0rse Are there any links to the full streams? I can't find a single channel that kept that stream up

[@Zeigler_]

@@CLBellamey Thank you for this, yeah I used to watch him years ago but stopped as he was getting cringey

[@JaredPryor87]

I loved listening to y'all talk. Too often people want to shy away from these topics because they might lose a follower or two, but as a guy in the same age group it's shit that I've come to enjoy just knowing that the people you watch to laugh are good people who are always trying to evolve and grow

[@AshLilburne]

What was the 'lad culture' Smith mentioned from a previous stream?

[@JoeSmith-pp6uy]

What is Smith walking about at 15:50?

[@aleckgardner6845]

yeah was also wondering about that

[@SDFlick619]

Curious too. Maybe associated with his comment at 20:49? Did they play among us or rocket league or something recently with a COD player?

[@neilnriley]

Was it Tom Syndicate and some friend of his? It's foggy

[@c0rse]

@@neilnriley It was Syndicate and his cronies: www.reddit.com/r/Hatfilms/comments/j2o5cd/boik_appreciation_after_todays_stream/

[@Icebolt854]

@@c0rse Is there any video clips left of the stream?

[@samloveday2470]

Anyone know what Smith is referring to at 16:00?

[@edchappell7224]

think it was maybe a rocket league (?) stream where they had some guests in who said some unsavoury things (i didnt see the stream myself). idk though fo sho'. Just something I read on their subreddit a while ago.

[@Nerippi]

​@@edchappell7224 i was thinking something similar, i read a post on their subreddit some time ago too and i think it may have been an among us stream with some guests. not sure either, i haven't watched their streams lately.

[@highvoltage7797]

@@Nerippi Do you have a link to that post?

[@Nerippi]

@@highvoltage7797 here you go: www.reddit.com/r/Yogscast/comments/j2xaj8/hat_films_sips_appreciation_post/ it was with syndicate and some friends of his. this was a while back though and Smith may be referring to something else entirely, so i could be wrong!

[@c0rse]

@@highvoltage7797 I think this is it: www.reddit.com/r/Hatfilms/comments/j2o5cd/boik_appreciation_after_todays_stream/

[@DjDolHaus86]

The most powerful music is that which you listen to in your formative years, once you're mostly developed as a person it doesn't have the same effect. It's not to say that you won't like new songs as you get older or that they won't become the soundtrack to certain chapters of your life but generally as you become more emotionally rounded/stable you become less receptive to new music

[@colehanna4040]

Silly song is still #1 on the charts in my heart

[@GreenMage39]

baby shark was a campfire song i sang at summer camp about 17 years ago! it was not made recently it was stolen recently!!! I'm still really angry that everyone thinks just because it was popularized recently that it is a recent song!

[@DemonStink]

Smith is old, Trott is weird and Ross is a freak of nature. I love them all.

[@A_Ereira]

14:07 That was low hanging but still gold, Ross.

[@OfficialMorda]

I really enjoy the conversations you guys have, there's very little of it on KZbin anymore, at least from what I've seen. You guys have enough rapport with each other that you can talk about these things without it devolving into a shouting match, which is super refreshing.

[@HoneydewSky]

fun fact: baby shark actually started as a camping/girl scout song. I remember singing it when I was maybe 10 years old and I’m 23 now. pretty sure the people that made it popular stole it from someone else 😬

[@ClaspedDragor]

I'm so glad you said this! I was sure I used to sing it as a child but no one I've spoken to had agreed! I thought I was going crazy haha

[@slightcurve98]

I be been told this by a few people but when I was younger I never heard the song and I’m 22 so it may not have been known by many people

[@imallfordabulls]

Yep it was an old camp song. If only we’d known to set it to a tune...

[@imjust_a]

Yeah, my sister is 27 and she used to sing it at camp all the time when she was around 12~14. I was actually really surprised when I heard it was making the rounds again, and even more surprised to learn that people thought it was something new.

[@BeeSharp47]

I mean it's a melody consisting of four notes: V, VI, I and VII. There are probably thousands of melodies that are similar.

[@joeflanagan9659]

My mate's mum was responsible for the PR for Bob the Builder!! She sold loads of those bloody records!!

[@TheTwofatgamers]

Oh wow, does she know bob? what's he like

[@joeflanagan9659]

@@TheTwofatgamersNah, he's too busy trying to rebuild Britain!

[@MrAltissimo]

I’d be OK with a re-release version of pixel dust!

[@olivermpereira1999]

I love how this has become the new trials

[@lompstem]

Genuinely love these long PGA Tour/discussion videos lads! Keep these coming!

[@jakekunz5168]

I just don’t understand why hat films aren’t Grammy nominated yet

[@Khronogi]

Cause they havnt done a song with KSI

[@Jamwamee]

if hat films hired a team of songwriters, producers, and marketing experts to do EVERYTHING for them, then had an already ultra-famous artist sing on the track with hat films providing little/nothing other than their names, they would get a number one.

[@ashrb9034]

I love hearing these deeper conversations. Keep up the amazing work!!

[@scottg3192]

Pixel dust is one of the only songs I've paid for!

[@FerricWolf]

I understand Smiths KSI point about him being sort of 'artificially' successful in music, but at the end of the day it's more a sign of just how progressive and accessible the music industry has become for people, which is a great thing. Social media and the like brings exposure opportunities to a huge amount of talented individuals who might have otherwise been ignored, it's no longer the music industry fat-cats strictly dictating what we hear.

[@JeskidoYT]

It is anyone's game. Tiktok will be in the Grammys soon

[@SaintPhoenixx]

People have this attitude about music and then say that modern art is shit. If KSI pretending to rap and just saying pointless words that rhyme and getting to number 1 through marketing forces, then Tracey Emin is a far better artist than Van Gogh, Monet and Michelangelo. Success is now accessible due to getting lucky, going viral or being pushed by the powers that be, not due to being the most talented and that is what I think Smith is annoyed at. Sure music does evolves every generation but KSI would never be considered a global superstar musician 15 years ago, let alone 40. It just wouldn't be possible.

[@FerricWolf]

Just to add, I don't think KSI necessarily deserves to be high in the charts, the music industry still has lots of evolving to do in today's social media driven world to make sure it doesn't just become filled with social media stars with mediocre talent. I'm simply stating that we're heading in the right direction, even if artists like KSI have to be a lesson learned along the way. Not trying to shit on KSI, he's just doing something that clearly works in the music industry rn and that's totally fair game. It's the underlying system that needs to change, not the social media stars.

[@Khrayfish]

@@FerricWolf How is it a sign of a more progressive and accessible music industry? This KSI example proves the exact opposite, now, it's only those already rich and famous who are able to access the music industry. You need to research the consistently degrading Indie music scene to realise how inaccessible it has gotten over the past few decades.

[@mistercapitale]

This was a great debate during a golf game. I love these guys. So good.

[@Ted_Ellis]

This is the content im here for! Longform podcast like content with a relaxing game in the back grouns - give me more boiks

[@ryanwhitehead842]

BTW Smith Ecstasy and MDMA are the same drug, MDMA is the pure form of ecstasy. Ecstasy is cut with other drugs or bulking agents whereas MDMA isn't, its pure (providing you have a good dealer). Basically MDMA is the pure form of ecstasy.

[@Sc0ts]

I honestly really loved hearing conversation from you lads

[@Sarjantbob]

PGA Tour is the new Trials of discourse

[@theeutecticpoint]

I have absolutely no interest in watching golf, so thanks for this bois, very enjoyable! Don't ever change Smith, you are a delight!

[@MrDarkbluewater]

Don't worry. You are not my role model. You were just the only thing in my subscription feed to watch while I eat lunch.

[@Flashjackmak]

People are talking about how they like a nice discussion-ey podcast type episode (and I agree, I like it when the boiks speak their mind) so I just wanna say I also really enjoy watching this golf game, it's super chill, great background game for talks.

[@josephchambers4509]

cool to hear alex talking about how he's changed his mind on different philosophies, in a video where they talk about how good it is to reevaluate your ideas about the world. Good on ya!

[@imallfordabulls]

Philosophical round of golf. Loved it!

[@franciscojoseminchonmendoz9967]

very good, a question if you could help me I would appreciate it. I'm crazy with Green's falls, the distance I have controlled but I don't learn to look at the falls, could you help me .................. thank you very much

[@Glomerularfiltrationrate]

Ross playing some good consistent golf in the background

[@Skirata1000]

What a pleasant ride, these are discussions I could have more in my own life

[@Deidde]

This was a great, balanced and authentic conversation I didn't expect to pay quite so much attention to; having pulled it up to listen to in the background. I quite like podcast style discussion to the backdrop of relaxing gameplay. I've watched you guys on and off for years and did give your Hatchat podcast a go when you first started, but I felt myself easily distracted from it. I think I'll head over and subscribe to give it another chance. About opinions: I think it's nice to remember that many (if not all) opinions are formed by more than just one piece of information or interaction - so receiving one piece of information isn't always enough to warrant a capitulation. It _should_, however, be enough to prompt further discussion and research. I agree that humility is a great trait, but absolute humility is as bad as absolute stubbornness. After all, a synonym of humility is self-abasement (particularly out of feeling inferior or guilty). In reality (like in all things), I think I want a balance. I don't think you should just capitulate when someone dictates some related fact, but I don't think you should ignore it either. USE that feeling of wanting to be correct in your beliefs to talk, read and understand more sources in addition to your own experience. Then you can demonstrate true positive humility by not being too up your own arse if you find more tangible weight on your side of the argument, or by conceding the points that you've come to understand, or just sitting around on the fence being receptive for a while because you realise it's all so complex and can't easily be boiled down. I suppose one difficulty is that there are some arguments to which there is no easily objective right and wrong - and there's where you begin to get the most spirited, stubborn and sometimes destructive arguments; but also the most human. Also, you can discuss ideas, philosophy and history without being explicitly political, so it doesn't turn into a battle of tribes. The history of ideas and philosophy is a particularly potent tool for an interaction of minds. I agree love and unity are important. I also think competition is important. I also believe freedom is important. I also know responsibility is important. If you stop at just love and unity, then you lose freedom, responsibility and competition. And unity (ie socialism/communism in your mind? But also fascism because they're two sides of the same coin) is faaaaar more easily abused than a collective of complex individuals that compete and cooperate for both self interest and a greater good. Remember, when you start to find 'authoritarian socialism' attractive, think about the great and gruesome strides the fascists of the 20th century took via authoritarian socialism, and the appalling reduction of humanity that the communists of the 20th century took via authoritarian socialism, and hopefully you begin to feel some modicum of moral panic. Lastly, I think there's a difference between American liberals and English liberals. Tech is not libertarian just because it benefits from capitalism. I believe a more fitting description would be autocratic. And there's a reason you see a huge uptick in socialist ideas and agendas in tech, because the main aspect of socialism is a lack of private property. And the ultimate private property is yourself. You own yourself. You have the right to ownership of your data. But tech (and the giants of societies in general) is very social, and they benefit massively from owning and orchestrating your private life. Wow, wall'o'text. Anyway, very cool. Thanks o/

[@magikoy4507]

Ahh knew I forgot something this morning, time to go listen to the hit song that defined all generations of music. Silly Song, I’m going to go listen to Silly Song, because I actually like it. Not ironically, but genuinely.

[@cunningstunts1118]

In terms of gun licensing in the UK, you have to have a valid reason to hold a Firearms Certificate. Such as pest control or target shooting but it is stated on the licence what you are allowed to do. So if you only have a licence for target shooting, you are not allowed to shoot vermin such as foxes or go deer stalking. They also limit the type and amount of ammunition you can hold at a time

[@189pac]

I always appreciate smith’s government talk

[@itisdom3481]

another great vid! smith always gets me thinkin!

[@MrTorsvik]

Haven't really watched any Hatfilms in a long time. Don't know why I clicked this one (I have got into golf lately). But this was great!

[@Jamwamee]

i think you do know why you clicked it

[@kymberleeeyy-]

i love listening to smith. his ideas, values and opinions often line up with mine, and i just find him incredibly intelligent.

[@mistercapitale]

Ditto

[@gregorB92]

I disagree with him on almost everything because he is an extreme lefti..its annyoing

[@thelurkeroftubes]

For me, Hat Films have the same energy as Clarkson, May, and Hammond, and the ribbing is fun to watch, knowing it's a joke, and that's what should be important. Also Trott has always been my favourite hatter, it's also been great to see all of them mature over the years.

[@moondusk8385]

Did anyone by any chance get an ad before the Hat Films video advertising "The Hat Channel Mag" What the hell?????? Always up for some golfing with Hats..... HAT BOIS ROCKS...........................

[@carsoncook3035]

Appreciate the quality content as always bois.

[@AshLilburne]

Remember in the old episodes of Fifa when Smith said KSI was the only KZbinr he watches? It shows he's grown as a person. Meanwhile im still making KZbin comments. Be nice to your parents

[@deadshotkall793]

Love these 40 minute golf-casts 👍

[@gruntslayer3524]

I heard the baby shark song like 10 years ago, as a campfire song

[@TomO39444]

Love the longer vids guys

[@_SneaRo]

oh man that was a treat of an episode.

[@Remulos]

I love these kind of videos x

[@Randomesrik]

Boy! Balls roll! Why do you keep among straight at the pin??

[@JamieAubrey]

Does Trott have a sleeve or is it the one he uses for The Deadnutz ?

[@mitcheustace8723]

Really great chat guys!

[@gregorywhatley9659]

I enjoy these sorts of videos because it's useful to be conscious of other points of view, and I find your guys present your points very well Also it's great for a wank, so cheers lads

[@Xanthanarium]

baby shark was a campfire song in the boy scouts of america (more of a chant tho, it was more about the acting and goofing around than the singing) long before it was an actual song

[@gordanjenson5148]

It is completely unrealistic to expect everyone to have a opinion on everything. You should only have strong opinions on topics that you are a expert at. It is normal for the average member of the public to have opinions on everything, but it’s not normal for the average member of the public to have strong opinions on every thing: Strong opinions on politics and ideology are the luxury of experts, not members of the public. Why is this so? There is no issue with members of the Public having a wrong opinion on something, wether it be politics or ideology. But the issue is the average member of the public has such strong opinions about things which are flat out wrong. You can however talk about things you simply have a opinion on, but it is ALWAYS good to open with a disclaimer about how uniformed your opinion is before stating your opinions. I.e. “This is just my opinion, but I think...”, “I’ve heard this from someone else, and thus is my opinion....”, “I read this from a newsletter, thus may be incorrect...” TL;DR: Strong opinions on politics and ideology are the luxury of experts, not members of the public. But this doesn’t mean you cannot have opinions on things, you can. Acknowledge the fact you are not a expert and provide disclaimers when talking about issues.

[@Kragnar1]

5:22 I think Rossperu is Australian.

[@gavinsmith8747]

I see smith believes in the power of friendship

[@watuhboy]

38:00 Trott gives the same justification for humanity's shittiness as the bad guys in The Purge

[@hellohelloyouyoui]

I have been watching you lads for so long now and every now and then you guys go off on KSI, I feel like you don't know him that well. This last year or so I've gotten into the sidemen and their Sunday videos as they are just such high quality and really funny and then that meant I got into KSI and I understand his music isn't great (personally I like Metal) but as a persoanliy he is such a nice guy. He does so much for people and so much for charity, he gives away so much money, doesn't own an expensive car or house despite being a millionaire and he and the sidemen have even said that you and Yogscast are the reason they started. I get you don't like his music but he is a nice guy and also the things he's done in the past shouldn't define him now otherwise we never encourage people to change.

[@Khronogi]

That still doesnt make his music good.

[@hellohelloyouyoui]

@@Khronogi okay... Also still doesn't make the sky purple. But that wasn't what I was talking about

[@_Chairman_Meow]

@@Khronogi Not even remotely relevant to what op was G.O.T Games Grim was saying

[@Lord_Edox]

Humility is very hard (so is descent in political arenas) but both are a necessary thing if you want to grow personally or we as a human race want to better ourselves.

[@magpieblue]

I wish you guys and your audience had significant power to implement some of the ideas presented here. I don’t always share the same opinions expressed by this trio, but very often I do. There’s more honesty and consideration of consequences than I’ve ever seen from the people with power and influence over the world. Hat Films and Yogscast for government ! Can we have a world that is respectful, healthy, free and fun? Thank you for the conversation guys, would love to hear more. Who won the golf? Did you even finish the round? I might have to watch again to find out xD

[@positronalpha]

What is KSI?

[@simplyorange8553]

Smith. All firearms sales in the US, regardless of state, that are done by a licensed Federal Firearms License holder, require a background check through the FBI database.

[@frickingart]

No, you can buy guns privately in most states and you don't need a background check. Legal private sales are usually through family or friends though

[@SavetheGamer]

Hey Hatboiks. For the Hat Films main channel could we have a proper golf vlog? It would be awesome to see you guys give some real golf a go, if you like it maybe it could be a semi-regular series? I love golf so my opinion might not be common but one video wouldn't hurt? GOLFBOIS

[@imthe1wizlesshope]

When it comes to politics or big topics, I hate watching the news about it and listening to people report on it. But when the Hat Bois talk I listen and I can make my own opinions which is something you wouldn't expect for a gaming channel, but I love it! And I love how much of a straight talker Smiffy is, and how much honesty he puts into what he saying. Xxx

[@nakenmil]

23:23 I definitely often parodied/imitated people we thought were idiots. I remember me an my mates would imitate older men who were sexist, racist old shits, etc. by putting on an exaggerated accent of our local district and so on. That could definitely come off as us just repeating it to outsiders, so not sure how acceptable it it is, but that's something we had fun with ourselves, at least.

[@wren1084]

still waiting for the day HAT bois will blow up, they've been doing this for like 8 years and still dont get the recognition they deserve, one of the most underrated channels, would they want to though? probably not

[@c0rse]

Remember on the main channel where they were at 896k subscribers for like three years straight? It's so strange to me that they just persisted at a perfect equilibrium of losing and gaining. The boys tried so many different things to try and get sub numbers up but it never moved.

[@veskupa]

This isn't the correct place for this, but how much of edition the JingeJam EP is going to get as it isn't still released out?!?

[@Tometh28]

In the latest hat chat they said they're going to be doing a couple streams in January to finish it up

[@chrism45]

They'll add to it so they complete some of the lore they wanted

[@AshLilburne]

A bad singer with enough followers will get to number one. A bad person with enough followers will try an insurrection.

[@asylumgamers3054]

On smiths point about baby shark, the company didn't write the song. Baby shark is an old campfire song I remember singing when I was a kid in the cubs. The marketing on the other hand definitely algorithm based.

[@saulmackie5988]

Tyvm for content boiks

[@TheAppeyes]

Who won the golf?

[@TomBaldwin2483]

Made a new verse for KSI: 'been sittin' here playing Fifa You slaggin' off my mum, we got beef yeah? Built up my fan base opening packs Now i make bank from all my diss tracks

[@angus5427]

He mentioned FIFA in Ares incase you wanted to know.

[@jakekunz5168]

People being fake and polarizing to become successful has always worked and will always continue to work because people are drawn to negativity and popularity. Luckily I don’t think that there’s nearly as many people who like that as those who use it make it seem

[@edswinbourne6649]

I've 100% heard that verse they made for KSI before and I have no idea where

[@melaniev9446]

So Smithy just wants a Federation? At least, Gene's anyway....

[@xeozim]

Fell a bit out of love with the hat boys recently but this is some grade A content x

[@Seanable95]

Love hat films

[@nicolewright5795]

This coming from the people that wrote Pleasure Elf

[@SegginsProductions]

But Pleasure elf is a musical masterpiece! I still don’t know how it was never at #1.

[@BiscuitTin__]

why isnt this on trending for deep talk?

[@transarchivist]

I liked this video a lot, thank you!

[@JeffKelly03]

All three of these guys are smart, but I’m always impressed by how bright and thoughtful Smith comes across when he starts breaking various non-gaming things down. Dude seems very well read and with such a broad knowledge base.

[@Lord_Edox]

I really like these types of videos. All have a great perspective on things and you can tell they all are trying to learn new stuff on there own time which is great.

[@jamesddiii1292]

I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not.... but I sure hope you are

[@gregorB92]

he is an annoying lefty

[@JoeKnaggs]

Ross was on form in this video

[@timmystwin]

And there I was thinking Smith was gonna stand behind Ross as he said Golliwogs were ok...

[@Danstraightedge]

Ross please. The ball will bounce after it lands. Arrrggghhh

[@Razurec]

I feel like Ross doesn't realise that golfballs keep rolling after they hit the ground

[@Justin-TPG]

Same with Smith pitching onto the green.

[@setter43]

I think by the Law of KZbin, one of you now need to get in the ring with him.

[@TadhghR]

Well said - all of you! Thanks for a great...what are these?! Anyway, cheers lads!

[@saintlarfleeze3551]

That “lads” culture stuff is from the Syndicate stuff right?

[@MrDipz158]

I honestly did not watch this video at all. But I loved listening to it!