We FINALLY know the REAL reason why Suicide Squad wasn’t great

What's up people! We now know the real reasons on why Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League turned out the way it did. Enjoy!
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[@GothamPaladin]

I mixed up James Gunn’s Suicide Squad Movie with the the garbage one. My bad but point still stands 🤝

[@frank8917]

Dont worry, we all commit mistakes That's what makes us human

[@Spitter66]

​@@frank8917 what a legend reply

[@preach6991]

​@@frank8917 I understood that reference.

[@JohEl777]

I found both Suicide Squad movies mid, first one was okay, wasn't garbage, but wasn't great either, just like James Gunn's version. Though I think they should have stuck to using the already established Arkhamverse Suicide Squad from Batman Assault on Arkham. Would have made a lot more sense, and no need to race swap Deadshot, or gender swap Mr. Freeze since there's already Killer Frost.

[@Sam-yb2ii]

Hold on so WB considered the original Suicide Squad movie a success ? not the one from James Gunn ?????

[@alejandrovallencci]

So you’re telling me the game was bad because of poor management? Shockerrrr

[@Ancor_Vantian]

“I will chase you to the ends of the Earth!”

[@Aleks96]

And the Woke shit.

[@magistersolis.3750]

@@Aleks96I think that is part of the poor management. Only a true novice in business actively tells potential customers to not buy their product.

[@Bigalow_Gaming]

James did the one in 2021 bruh. WB did 2016.

[@mxnicJB]

doesn’t really matter though

[@GothamPaladin]

Damn my sense of time is ass Point still stands tho

[@Bigalow_Gaming]

@@GothamPaladin I agree. I was really excited for this game, then I beat it & got bored of it. I have a love/hate/whythefuckdoesthisgameathing type of relationship with SS. I only go back to play as Boomerang tbh.

[@anantrawat2311]

​@@GothamPaladinlol, I thought that was a joke as in the 2016 shitty one by WB never existed 😂

[@dominicusheard6171]

They should have made Aaron Cash commissioner sense Gordon is the Mayor

[@megatron2171]

​​@@bigwhopper6501uh he became one in arkham knight and he became police commisioner after jim gordon running for mayor

[@MajinFernie]

*since. Bro are you a child or dumb?

[@lolbitandftfoxysayhello6262]

the fact that captain BOOMERANG uses guns sucks plus it also sucks that the developers are getting so much hate for working on this game especially if the rumor of the co creator of rocksteady leaving the team to avoid the back lash it’s true Also I agree that just because rocksteady made a bad game dosen’t mean they can’t make good games and hopefully the game they are working is a Superman game or a new Arkham

[@nicholaslin1630]

After this game, I doubt that WB will trust Rocksteady with a Superman game. I don't think a Superman movie is ever possible. Because so what you will. But the majority of Superman fans will not support a Superman product/game if he has a biological son with Lois who is in a gay relationship. The sales figures prove it.

[@nicholaslin1630]

I would say that DC Comics has to revamp much of the Superman mythos back to what it was pre-Superman's son aging up as non-straight. I doubt Hollyweird will support that. Then there is the Supergirl problem. I don't believe that Supergirl is well integrated with the story of her cousin. There is no way fans like her as an immature young adult. Let me say that I see Kara Zor-El as an openly gay lesbian in a relationship with Lena Luthor. I don't know if you would support that idea. Since to me, her straight choices are boring. Especially since the most logical straight-Kara choice is a pairing with ginger-beta-male-Jimmy Olsen. Then there is the need to integrate John Henry Irons with Natalie Irons as one of Kara's best friends. See? Too much for WB to accept.

[@user_Watc]

😅 this game sucks. It disrespects Arkham Batman. Killed all the good. Characters but I am happy for Batman Arkham shadow

[@HunterRamirez-rl3by]

Disrespect is a strong word

[@Catman441.2]

How you know

[@LB-hr9vu]

@@HunterRamirez-rl3by I agree, but what else can you call it? they did not exactly handle it well.

[@finger3306]

​@@LB-hr9vuyou can call it Sefton Hills usual shit writing😂 arkham knight is the same with its story, just ass because of Sefton

[@jsalazar1497]

@@finger3306 Back in 2016, WB Montreal was developing the “original” Suicide Squad game, it was supposed to be in the Arkhamverse and supposed to be a sequel to Arkham Origins until Sefton Hill saw a opportunity when WB gave it to Rocksteady. Sefton Hill scrapped everything and now made the game we have today.

[@doctorsam5771]

The best part about hitting rock bottom is it's only upwards from here on. Whatever comes next can't be worse

[@thedarkknightdetective2559]

Insert J Jonah Jameson laughing meme here

[@thedarkknightdetective2559]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/opnGnKieit2WnaMsi=AB0861_gzKhqMY7k

[@passcodex4355]

It can.

[@Paradox-es3bl]

Oh they pull out the shovels and tnt and drills.

[@Vigriff]

Good job on tempting fate.

[@noctober]

Soon the game will not be canon ha ha ha.

[@Paradox-es3bl]

We can only hope

[@megatron2171]

The best option honestly

[@jmgonzales7701]

@@megatron2171 maybe a soft reboot for arkham

[@ToxicCatMC]

Literally the ONLY way to get the fans back on their side and the only way for them to show they have their fucking head straight now

[@michaelzhao9851]

Make this Harley’s crazy dream. The devs can do this in Arkham Shadow

[@Lord-Emperor-Vader]

Honestly I feel like the founders didn’t want to make this game and were self sabotaging the project until they realized it was going to happen so they abandoned ship.

[@dariusdafigga]

Exactly my comment

[@littlewhite4499]

agree

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

The game is so bad like the story sucks and the gameplay is so boring

[@LB-hr9vu]

yet people will tell you it's good. I don't think this crap is worth the price they chare for it.

[@lolbitandftfoxysayhello6262]

@@LB-hr9vu the game should be free to play or at least not as expensive

[@LB-hr9vu]

@@lolbitandftfoxysayhello6262 Exactly! this game should not cost 50$.

[@lolbitandftfoxysayhello6262]

@@LB-hr9vu Maeby 20$ or even 32$

[@cameronmcewen7192]

@@LB-hr9vuThose people lack brains.

[@grbhighlights9401]

The thing is, SSKTJL was in production WAY BEFORE James Gunn’s The Suicide Squad. They probably started production around the flop of the 1st one which makes no sense. And I also feel like the reason Sefton Hill took so long to review stuff, is because he didn’t want to make this game. Just my thoughts

[@luckyducky7819]

I heard the first one made a ton of money, so it still makes business sense to try to capitalize on that.

[@MrAnt728]

2:38 I strongly disagree with you because part of why Arkham Asylum was made was because of WB/DC riding the hype train of the Dark Knight films (More specifically Batman begins).. The main issue is that RockSteady isn't how it is used because of how it changed dramatically

[@thedarkknightdetective2559]

The 2016 suicide squad movie wasn't James guun

[@evanwirth7881]

As always, don’t blame the employees just working hard to make a paycheck, blame the leaders who didn’t know how to make a good game. I hope that they see that this game didn’t make money and the other Arkham games made a lot so go back to what makes money since that’s all they seem to care about

[@SilentSnake1998]

Sefton Hill activated the knightfall protocol, and dipped 😂

[@Dewani90.]

an a-hole through and through that guy was, anyway, I have yet to see what his new studios where he ignore employees until the last second works.

[@Pseudo_Notfound]

8:05 Rocksteady: adding a vehicle when our characters already move very well is stupid. Warner Monreal: I LOVE BRIDGES, MAKE VEHICLES TO CROSS BRIDGES!!

[@morris01]

…you do realize it was Sefton Hill who pitched the idea for vehicles not WB right?

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

@@morris01I think they are referring to Gotham knights and Arkham origins

[@afton5773]

Are they stupid?

[@FOXY_1986hd]

Rocksteady studio was the equivalent of spongebob's mind meme.

[@The_Phantasm]

2:10 2016? The one by James Gunn was in 2021. The 2016 film was panned by critics and was wildly hated.

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

Huh?

[@amanul_2474]

It was still considered a (slight) commercial success. This game has basically been in development hell for 7 years

[@thedarkknightdetective2559]

True he did misspeak here however tho it was widely hated the film did well financially

[@thedarkknightdetective2559]

At the end of the day the executives aren't looking at reviews they're looking at money what brings in money

[@user-bu3wg5yt7q]

I loved the first one

[@BeyondMan2099]

Does that mean we could get a Workers cut?

[@Deez561]

I regret pre ordering it

[@Paradox-es3bl]

As you should. Don’t pre-order games.

[@j_c3792]

​@@Paradox-es3bl I mean I don't regret preordering Resident Evil 4 Remake. That shit and the Deluxe edition was lit.

[@Baised-_-Rin]

I don't

[@cameronmcewen7192]

@@Baised-_-RinYou now see how bad it is.

[@user-wy1et9dk9w]

@@Paradox-es3blI pre ordered Elden ring and the DLC i don’t give a fck lol sometimes you can

[@hattoripool1533]

The funny thing is this game being a shooting game could have worked too. Remember Gotham City Imposters and Arkham origins Online?

[@extonjonas6820]

Not really. The whole problem is that most of the squad does not use guns as their primary weapon. It is not a problem gameplay wise really

[@hattoripool1533]

@@extonjonas6820 why not then make it both focused on gunplay and well Melee? I Mean Wb made Arkham Origins Online which allowed you to play as mooks who had a first person shooter liked gameplay which people liked. Im still shocked to this day that Suicide Squad turned out the way that it did cause we have seen them do better before

[@LB-hr9vu]

I loved Arkham Origins Online. shame you can't play it no more without a mod on steam that has custom servers that people still go on. it's bitter sweat.

[@Samuel152]

​@@LB-hr9vu I should probably get that mod so I can play Origins Online.

[@LB-hr9vu]

@@Samuel152 the people who do go on it are real chill as they go on it from time to time. it's better if you play it with friends of course.

[@The316Official]

I wonder if Sefton didnt review the work of his team because he was fed up with WB and kept putting off the reviews as a way to delay the game in defiance. As you said we dont know the real reasons, not to mention the internal issues with conduct of their employees. Any case i hope Rocksteady and Seftons new studio success in their next game.

[@Paradox-es3bl]

Supposedly they wanted to make the game in the first place 🤷‍♀️

[@Herowebcomics]

​@@Paradox-es3bl...But probably not like it is now! I would like an Arkham style Suicide squad game! Harley, Boomerang,Dead shot and King shark could have had unique fighting styles! And there could have been way more characters to play as!🫤

[@cameronmcewen7192]

There won’t be any more games.

[@cameronmcewen7192]

@@HerowebcomicsThat was the game I was expecting.

[@BM-sg1sl]

Correction: 2016 was not named gunns suicide squad it was David ayers

[@RedCommunistDragon]

And the cut we got wasn’t even his vision.

[@jamesstrain1631]

It's a travesty that the legendary Kevin Conroy's last voiced game as Batman is suicide squad

[@teejay8435]

It’s not that deep

[@dariusdafigga]

Considering Sefton Hill (and the other co-founder) was the one responsible for three of the best superhero games of all time, I highly doubt he all of a sudden lost his way and became a bad leader. Him delaying reviewing his team’s work certainly didn’t help matters but it seems to be more intentional rather than not. It was even mentioned in the video that after starting their new company, Hill reached out to some of their old co workers offering them the opportunity to make a game free from the pressure of WB. Seems pretty obvious that he was unhappy with what WB was forcing his him & his team to do. He was stalling intentionally to either bide time until he was able to start his own company or maybe as a way to express his disinterest in the game to WB

[@twinodoom]

It seems like he knew the game couldn't be saved and was trying to abandon ship

[@harveyquinn7961]

There was a tweet saying it was Stefon Hill's idea and that at the time Infinity war and Endgame were out which was in inspiration me personally I think it makes much more sense that corporate overlords over at WB were the reasons for all of the crap

[@beckywilson1550]

Thank you Jason for putting your self though hell just for a article

[@Awesomeisme7000]

He's a Bloomberg reporter not a D Day survivor.

[@BM-sg1sl]

If they don’t make that damn Batman beyond sequel to knight im gonna…

[@crane9490]

Wasn’t it remade like 2 times? Before the final product

[@radioactive_2814]

10:18 for the people who didn't notice but ClownPuncher139 (or the guy who did the arkham iceberg) was in that part playing king shark

[@alansotigerheart3473]

I'm not gonna dig too deep, but with recent issues in general with WB, I'm sure this was a game they were forced to make rather than wanted to. I can definitely see for the last 15 years working on a series out of passion for the IP just to be told a 180 flip in direct is demanded, would suck any enthusiasm out of you. By no means am I excusing the founders' lack of cooperation and departure, but I can see why

[@teejay8435]

Are y’all going to play the game again when deathstroke is available? 😅

[@husklightdrinker487]

I personally enjoy the game, but I definitely see the flaws. I think story isn't too bad, and could be way worse. But some of the story they wanted to be left for the dlcs, like how the Justice League we kill are either clones or from a similar, parallel earth. It could've been executed better, but I enjoy it for what it is

[@thelettern]

If the developers just came out and said it’s worse than Arkham but it’s a new take that only the minority who like live service might like, then I’d respect them more. But pretending it’s good when it’s just average is the wrong move. Like why not just be honest, had me believing the game was gonna be a surprising great game lol

[@kostum3585]

If you like the game you are not a bad person but you have bad taste

[@bakacdaz]

You are sanest people I ever see on this topic. Most people are just rant about Woke and SBI and they might be part of the problem but it clearly has the bigger problems than that stupid counseling company. Personally I think the biggest one to blame is WB. Like we heard a lot on the news how F up they are lately they just literally destroyed 2 finished films just to avoid the tax. No wonder if their management team video game side is just messed up as film side. I think the team leader isn’t intended to neglect their job they just can’t stand WB anymore. So they just leave and people who still working on the project has no choice but continuing work on it.

[@jorgeroblesreyes9254]

is like people never do a class work group in the school

[@RaphBlade7]

The problem is that companies need to realize that a studio known for making certain type of titles is likely unsuited to making another type! Its like trying to have a studio that makes live service games into one that makes single player games! Mind you its not impossible that they might end up with something halfway decent, but the odds of them producing something as good as the types of games they are known for is less than them working on something they have experience with! Basically, it's a bunch of corporate suits making decisions for things they have little to no understanding of & just assume Rocksteady could make a live service game because the Arkham trilogy was great!

[@thientuongnguyen2564]

Plus most talents had left Cocksteady by that point so all that's left were a bunch of Yes Men agreeing to whatever top execs wanted without a hint of irony.

[@SaiScribbles]

These companies desperately need people who are knowledgeable of online culture, gaming culture and social media to tell them what the consumer mood is. It's so funny how major corporations keep writing off criticism from gamers online when we're the ones they need to convince to buy their product.

[@eliteghost1001]

I wonder whats gonna happen to dc games in the future with james gunn having dc games connected to the movies and animated stuff

[@kiill88]

I really wouldn't blame the founders of the studio for jumping ship when the game was always changing vision. Trying to piece together what works isn't as easy as it sounds, and when corporate demands come in and you have to save your job and your image, it's kind of hard to make a good call. The main problem was how disconnected it was with the Arkham Games, this feels like a 1 year work here, scrapping 90% of what was done and using the 10% to start over and with DIE mandates that are apparently "popular" and other live service elements. The rest is just redoing years of work just so it looks good rather than fun and consistent. Don't blame the founders, blame corporate and DIE, from what I hear some of the veteran staff left with the founders so it kind a speak for itself why the game is in such a poor state. Passion brings us the Arkham Trilogy , it ain't perfect but it was awesome, while Corporate Mandates and DIE bring us this game that tried to live off a passion project using well established names to sell itself to those standards.

[@sonnybui9398]

Personally my least fav Batman design in the Arkham Verse its still really good! Its just the others hit so much harder for me

[@DarthAzabrush]

I can totally understand Hill's position. He knew from the outset that these changes forced on him by WB would tank the game and without any other options he built himself a life raft and zogged off. It does suck for those left behind but he couldn't take everyone and get away with it.

[@Mvstheworld]

Something that makes me think too, in addition to the points you presented. I think they saw the success of the adaptation of The Boys, which came out in 2019, 3 years after the first Suicide Squad, and thought for some reason that what people wanted most was to kill the Justice League heroes. I have this impression because of that live action commercial, where Will Arnet talks about killing the League as if it were the coolest thing in the world. Nobody wanted to kill beloved heroes and make fun of it. At the time I even thought, based on the title, that it was an audacious move by the studio and that they would have an incredible justification in the story to reverse it. But no, it was more of a hasty reading of what the public wanted.

[@dariusdafigga]

This isn’t even possible since the game was created three years before that. Doesn’t really matter where the idea come from tbh, the game is trash either way

[@stephenchambers7972]

I only want to see what deathstroke will bring to the table.

[@dominicusheard6171]

The whole time we thought this was coming from fresh new minds in rocksteady but it turns out this idea was coming from one of the founders they should have kept Paul Dini that man's writing when comes to Batman is immaculate

[@Herowebcomics]

Says a sweet baby defender who wrote the article! Of course he is not going to say it was them! ...Even though the game is just like the kind of games they like to make.😡

[@cameronmcewen7192]

It would’ve been a great game if Paul Dini wrote the script and the DCAU actors were reprising their roles as Flag, Waller, Luthor, Brainiac and the JL.

[@dominicusheard6171]

@@cameronmcewen7192 that's true I agree with you

[@callmejacob3234]

@@cameronmcewen7192 I'm down for any Paul Dini Batman project

[@sethstrattan7380]

Especially for Arkham Knight. That story sucked so much.

[@Rhyciz]

Lore reasons can be a beautiful thing, or a horrible thing. That being said, I knew that there was more nuance to this situation than just “let’s ruin 15 years of storytelling and bring down an entire game studio for fun!”

[@tonythunder6048]

I honestly don’t care much that it’s in the Arkham universe. They have the multiverse in the game so this can easily take place in Arkham verse where everything happened the same way but Hal Jordan isn’t the current green lantern for all we know. My main complaint is just repetition during the endgame. Hopefully it pulls a borderlands 3 and starts off crappy but give it some time and it gets better, hopefully

[@nathanwitmer8419]

Your voice makes me laugh. Like in a good way. Just subscribed. Good takes.

[@x-snipo2137]

WB should definitely should have a tighter grip on their IP when it comes to large video games like these

[@jamaarij.9274]

You know it’s a disaster when the developers are tripping too💀

[@DavidJenkins-wn7jk]

But they also should have online servers for online multi-player with an optional squad vs squad mode

[@batmanbeyondthechannel9341]

The gameplay is actually fun for a while but does the repetitive. The team(not leaders) really actually did a good job for not having experience for working on a type of game they’ve never done before. Imagine if they could do what they really wanted without leadership fucking them over.

[@user-bu3wg5yt7q]

I like the gameplay and characters just the way they killed off characters makes it terrible

[@JosephPao]

Yea, and we can say "thanks" to sweet baby for that

[@Flareguy]

@@JosephPaohe didn’t mention it in the article but it also revealed clone theory and the league is alive

[@JosephPao]

​@Flareguy Yea, but they made them into baffling baffoons.

[@maverick9357]

​@@JosephPaoLike making wonder woman death being sad while not caring about the others like Batman

[@Paradox-es3bl]

You have bad taste.

[@TheStephaneAdam]

Before the video: bad management with no direction? After the video: bad management with no direction.

[@ToonGrin]

Do you think Sefton took so long to review is because behind the curtains he was planning to bail to cofound ANOTHER team? This is the perfect example of a game company burning through money then complaining "games are to expensive to make". Surprising no one, poor "Leadership" leads to failure.

[@baki484]

The man was Slimey for it.

[@Herowebcomics]

​@@baki484Sweet baby was slimy for it!😡

[@dariusdafigga]

Considering Sefton Hill (and the other co-founder) was the one responsible for three of the best superhero games of all time, I highly doubt he all of a sudden lost his way and became a bad leader. Him delaying reviewing his team’s work certainly didn’t help matters but it seems to be more intentional rather than not. It was even mentioned in the video that after starting their new company, Hill reached out to some of their old co workers offering them the opportunity to make a game free from the pressure of WB. Seems pretty obvious that he was unhappy with what WB was forcing his him & his team to do. He was stalling intentionally to either bide time until he was able to start his own company or maybe as a way to express his disinterest in the game to WB

[@08V09]

It was SBI that ruined the game

[@CaptainFordoAlpha-77]

I wonder if Hill was trying to sabotage the project. Maybe he was dissatisfied with being told him and his team had to make a genre of game that they had no experience in. The little bit where he invited his old team to his new company where they'd be "free of WB's pressure and mandates" gave me this thought.

[@dah_1trumorty917]

If I see another person say it “disrespects Arkham Batman” no It doesn’t he’s like 40 in the timeline he was gonna get Merced king shark was said to be able to go toe to toe with Superman like the gameplay not great the loop bad the story wasn’t terrible neither was the treatment of the characters especially cause it’s the Suicide squad

[@quartz9646]

I haven't played this game, but it seems to me that the connections this game has to the Arkham series are so thin it could be just easy to retcon them to not be connected, I'm saying it isn't personally, it just feels like they said that so the game could sell better

[@Wolf52900]

Such a W channel

[@STDynamite8008]

Kind of ironic because an actual justice league game could work with live service in mind

[@mrowley7300]

Rocksteady - made its money on single player stories. WB - Na you need to do live service

[@bakacdaz]

They should just expanding the lore as online game in Arkham Verse instead. Like playing as our custom charactors in Gotham or Metropolis or something like that.

[@ruffiyan]

as much as i don't like this game or the game mechanics of Gotham knights, im sure if they were given the chance to remake the games from the ground up but keep the dialogue, it could be possibly better but i highly doubt they would waste their time again.

[@Soloisbac]

should have just made that damian batman game where bruce wayne is alfred and gotham is run by new and some legacy villains

[@mateus02681]

Polka-Dot Man wasn't in it. That's why.

[@GothamPaladin]

Not even Condiment King, I can’t respect it

[@eliteghost1001]

WB and dc really do need to make more games about different characters batman is not the only character yall got green arrow who yall can easily make a game off of

[@Rhyciz]

It’s a matter of who sells. Although I 100% agree. Superman and Flash could work but Green Arrow would be a lot easier. Assassin’s Creed parkour with freeflow combat and trick arrows is a recipe for success

[@Agent_Toren]

Green arrow Arkhamverse is both possible and an absolutely amazing idea that they’re stupid not to do

[@andrewrichards6738]

They knew damn well we would be upset

[@evildeku7346]

I’m playing it right now. It’s a good game but how they disrespect Batman was kind of out of wine. They could’ve done a few things better. It’s a decent game. I don’t like how they added the pride shit though

[@sbfan1906]

I mean, i liked the gameplay, it's just the story just didn't work out for me

[@alexandermccalla5098]

Was Deadshot even in the most recent Suicide Squad? I’m pretty sure they had a different character. One that can call in weapons from anywhere. In the comics he was mapping the multiverse for Waller

[@teejay8435]

Bloodsport, I would like to see him in the game

[@user-yv6lf5yd3m]

i still think this article was bought by WB there's a lot of words people already said about the squad and they literally just want to put a blame on someone fans knew and that they're the bad guys now not "poor WB"

[@baki484]

WB's only fault was greenlighting that garbage.

[@dariusdafigga]

^ that and pressuring the studio to make something they had no business making

[@spiderbat1962]

To be fair, Into the Spider-Verse did influence Insomniac’s Miles Morales 🤷‍♂️

[@callmejacob3234]

I think the main problem is no one really cares about the Suicide Squad. Fans wanted a Batman Beyond or Superman game instead. But Warner Brothers refuses to listen to fans and they lose money because of it. I don't feel any sympathy for Rocksteady or Warner Brothers.

[@IndianaJenkins615]

The game was ok to me but I can see where people didn't like it. What I would have done if I was in charge- Suicide Squad Save The Justice League A lot of fans didn't like killing off their heroes, a rescue the JLA game would have been better Plus, the JLA in this game was such a good roster, they need a game

[@Pastelproductions9000]

At first, I thought you were talking about the movie

[@GonzoIsCool]

I had a high school classmate tell me she was thinking about quitting school two days before a 2 week long group project was due. Also, it was a two person project. Also, it was a huge part of our grade. Then after letting me waste time trying to get her to stay on, she only told me the next day that she had done nothing on the project. She was supposed to do a poster for it. I wasted most of the time trying to find out what she had done, which was nothing. I stayed up all night, bashing together something to make up for being the only one person presenter with no poster. It was 2002, and I definitely couldn't get a poster on Stalin done on such short notice. So I used my very 90s art program, printed out a communist looking hat brim, printed some rainbow stickers that said the students' and some black and red stickers that said the teacher's. Then I went in and went full ham on the class, sending the teacher and a student to "Siberia" after slapping stickers on stuff. I did manage to get a halfway decent grade, probably because the entire class was actually laughing at the jokes and paying attention to me mocking Stalin's policies. I had a kid say he is never going to forget that presentation while he was still laughing. It was actually an informative speech, albeit a very tongue in cheek one. My character became increasingly paranoid about the teacher taking control back, randomly banished another student, went on about how we should even delete them from photos. Then I attacked religion, started collectivisation, and suggested that the old churches made good grain silos. The whole time I acted more and more self important and paranoid, letting that increase gradually. It really showed well how Stalin was, casually suggesting liquidization. Sadly, most projects do not improve under such circumstances. I think the project would have been pretty tame had I not had to scramble to make something good enough to get over missing one third of the project. I'm amazed it worked and I got a B. Too bad this game couldn't figure out how to make humor work in their favor the same way. Probably because my report was about an hour instead of interminable, and didn't cost $75 per person.

[@braydenpage1808]

Jason is such a good journalist and author. His articles are great and his books are dime great reads. I'm glad it was him that reported on this dumpster fire because we know he's giving us the truth.

[@vicenteignacioromero-corsa6162]

It sure feels like Hill and Walker went to buy cigarettes and just never came back.

[@mauriciomartell2433]

Would a Hack and slash brawling style have made a difference? 🤔

[@NC54]

I can see how fun this would have been if they just ripped off Saints Row 4 and removed the always online stuff.

[@UzairAli-iy5jh]

Sefton Hill was obviously trying to avoid making the game because he knew it would fail and dc. These are just digging their own grave which is sad to see

[@BlazingOwnager]

What he will not mention is hiring a ton of very poorly underqualified people as the studio bled senior talent.

[@StupidMarioBros1Fan]

I agree with some of the other comments that Sefton Hill taking forever to review progress & having the game delayed may have been an attempt at sabotage, like if the game is constantly failing to come together then surely it'll get cancelled especially since Warner Bros has been lots of projects the past couple of years. Then everyone will be moved to different projects that they can be passionate about and/or maybe successfully pitch a different game to the exeutives. However this project ended up being one of the few that the executives were adamant on releasing, regardless of how many people complained online or within the development team. It was probably based entirely on statistics "This movie did extremely well and this type of game is doing extremely well, so surely our game that's based on both will do extremely well!" "It doesn't matter that it's been several years since the movie came out, and this type of gameplay has been overdone by this point the numbers say it'll make money!" "What do you mean we've lost hundreds of millions of dollars because of this game?" At this point I'm waiting for the inevitable announcement of the game's various season passes being cancelled, the game's a flop which means the executives will want to stop spending resources on it. The question now is if the devs will be able to put out an actual ending or if the game's story will straight up be unfinished as one last insult to everyone including the people who like the game.

[@williehawkinsii4845]

It also doesn't help that Margot Robbie is playing New 52 Harley Quinn and the one from The Suicide Squad is Pre-new52 Harley Quinn

[@fornogoodreason551]

trusted journalist from bloomberg, oi vey goiyem

[@justxander1656]

I could care less if the game was terrible originally but when i found out they used the ARKHAM VERSE BATMAN i got pissed off not only did they retcon and ruin major plot points on arkham night now we can never have a continuation to the story or even get a batman beyond game for that verse screw this game

[@bitwize]

The Daikatana of the 2020s. Every decade seems to have one.

[@nickb1729]

The stuff with sefton hill was definitely the most disappointing aspect of all these stories. It just makes me wonder how he could head up 3 massive and successful games with the way this game turned out.

[@dennisbeaman958]

Marvel vs Capcom infinite is more Disney fault because they wanted to promote the MCU characters

[@felixfelix4343]

As much as I'd like to see a proper follow-up to the Arkham games, I truly think Rocksteady should take some time away from the Arkham-verse to just recharge themselves from the IP and probably use the time to make something else, even if it's something original inhouse

[@DrOtis9624]

The game definitely isn't great, but there are a few good aspects: detailed character designs, fantastic looking Metropolis, occasionally funny banter. I hope Rocksteady can pull an Arkham Origins and reuse the map (with some tweaks) for a Superman game. That alone could shave 4 years off the project and help them recoup their losses.

[@CameraPunk5049]

Nah bruh, the best Batman suit is that light titanium armour from Arkham Knight.

[@Console-Lord]

You wanna know a dc game focusing on villains that could have been a massive hit. Create another lego dc villains game. Or just a Lego Batman with villain levels. Some levels could even have Lego Batman and Robin as bosses. Or another Arkham Origins multiplayer project.

[@user_Watc]

If the game was just justice league game it would be ok it will be dog water the story it's not good shooting the justice league with is really not that fun people only hop on this game just for a DLC. When the people just get off the game

[@Flaris]

I'm still putting this on WB. They tried to make a single player developer create a billion dollar live service game...based on the Suicide Squad. What drugs were the people at WB on to think there is a reality where that could happen!? Hill taking forever to review stuff makes sense. If he was planning on leaving he'd make that the priority ahead of a game he knew was going to fail no matter what. And honestly as anyone who's procrastinated knows...if you really don't want to do something you aren't going to be very active on staying ahead of things. This game was an error at the very start. Live service games can work. But they need to be made by the right people and frankly within the right window. When things like Fornite were taking off that was one thing. But people are sick and tired of live service games that clearly only exist to bleed them dry. And this wasn't a game that would make people drop the games they are already invested in! It was a total mistake and deserved to fail.

[@Chyllstorm]

I'm glad people hate it, it should drop the price down to $10-$15 much faster so I can enjoy it finally.

[@wait_in_gold_ON_SPOTIFY]

They got in way too deep. Hopped on the live service hype train, was too late to capitalize on it. Since it’s reveal people hated it. They delayed it over and over, but the delays could’ve never fixed it, because fans never wanted it in the first place. From conception it was a wrap

[@jonbrewer297]

TBH, the movies and the game only confirm my suspicion that only John Ostrander and the late Kim Yale can really write the Suicide Squad. Though I will give James Gunn a shot.

[@garrettjackson1451]

I don’t consider this game canon in my vision the justice league formed before Tim Drake became Robin and he met Superman before the events of Arkham Asylum.