We Hate Our Fans | Trash Taste #64

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00:00:00 We're not good
00:00:33 Talking about weather
00:02:17 Reading fan mail
00:10:47 Fans as friends
00:17:27 Managing a Discord server
00:21:46 Pewdiepie doesn't know us
00:22:32 Papparazzi
00:27:57 ExpressVPN
00:28:50 KZbin comments
00:32:29 Doing KZbin as a job
00:36:30 Boys supporting boys
00:38:43 Defensive fandoms
00:42:18 Having an opinion on KZbin
00:45:11 Negativity brings the views
00:51:30 Being a Fate fan
00:56:02 Jojo fandom
01:00:20 Gatekeeping
01:07:58 Mack Weldon
01:09:23 Spotting fake anime fans
01:14:47 Rediscovering creators
01:20:58 Connor is ready to box
01:22:34 Will we stop the podcast if the views decline
01:27:35 Adapting your content with the times
01:31:08 Understanding how virality works
01:35:58 Casey Neistat is Limitless
01:40:28 What is good content
01:47:18 Drama channels
01:51:35 Honey
01:53:08 Passion projects
02:00:37 Obsessing over specific things
02:09:35 Japan is full of niche things
02:15:50 Japanese zoom calls
02:18:26 People who support us through the clickbait

[@anotherrandomyoutubecommen2976]

The boys go on a massive tangent, and Garnt's just locked, loaded, and ready to jump right back into Fate. That's true passion

[@Nitro_BSQ]

Literally just hit that moment in the video lol

[@mr.pockets8523]

Has nothing more to talk about

[@pierovalle]

He Is a Man of Focus, Commitment and Sheer F-ing Will

[@nvwest]

Timestamp? I want to see it again. Didn’t pay attention

[@kirahitomi270]

@@nvwest Around 34:00 I think

[@Light32111]

I'm in Japan and had only realized my friend was an otaku 4-5 years since we started hanging out. We'd usually play sports, games and do sht talks. It was when I had off-handedly mentioned a niche anime, when he casually replied, "Yeh I have all the volumes of it" that I found out about his huge collection of manga and amines.

[@hexryuk]

Ssr roll servant

[@regidio5083]

Thats an SSR friend

[@youtubeuser9322]

@@regidio5083 what is ssr friend?

[@thefool1464]

@@youtubeuser9322 super super rare

[@jds5150]

I love amines

[@pinkdragoneyes]

According to recent research, 94% of British respondents admit to having conversed about the weather in the past six hours, while 38% say they have in the past 60 minutes. “This means at almost any moment in this country, at least a third of the population is either talking about the weather, has already done so or is about to do so.” -BBC

[@polkadi]

So... how about that weather, huh?

[@nittynotkitty]

@@polkadi hmm... It's 20 degrees here

[@mikijunior5339]

BBC? That is where Garnt worked.

[@lyssao.8308]

The main difference between America and Britain.😅😂

[@tedtalc]

study done by Garnt Manetapho

[@dus9584]

“I believe paparazzis are below dung beetles on the social hierarchy” probably the best take Grant has ever made

[@Chalepastel]

*everyone liked that*

[@ivanj46]

Probably even lower than mosquitoes.

[@GhostHighLights]

Yea but aren't the people who follow celebrity's and click on the gossip the ones enabling paparazzi?

[@imelitist2828]

The paparazzi does have one thing going for them, they pedel their own sh*t

[@alecfongy3175]

Thats a LEGENDARY line, Garnt is a genius

[@ahau3696]

I like how shinobu is not sitting in her chair anymore, she's just chillin on the shelf itself

[@acee12]

what? when?

[@Gummylongtail]

Maybe she wants a ritual that's one step above patting her head 😉😉

[@rin_yen9390]

They should make her sit next to Levi on the Sofa

[@Emirinnnn]

@@rin_yen9390 that's a good Idea

[@ellusiv5121]

even the figures have character development

[@jacobchurney7897]

The passion in Connors eyes when he talks about the random shit he thinks about is what drives me to keep thinking of random shit. Passion breeds passion.

[@TheItuber]

Yeah, i love Passione. Both the studio and the organization.

[@aikun9098]

Monke brain isn't it

[@cameronlacey6141]

lol i think random shit breeds random shit imlit

[@coldbattery]

connor might joke about it, but we all know how much he cares about his fans. he even plays games with his fans. love the guy

[@gabe_ed]

Idk man, that sounds gay to me

[@Hilo..]

@@gabe_ed Nothing gay about bowing to a king

[@moistcrusader2026]

@@gabe_ed Speak for yourself mate, well since we’re already in the conversation about being Jojo fans, how bout you drop them gowns and let me see the beast lord DIO saw in you

[@alecfongy3175]

Any person that spends that amount of time with their fans is coo

[@Floraclaw]

@@gabe_ed I see this as an absolute win

[@gridlock1637]

Me: “Can’t wait for the new episode” Title: *We hate our fans* Me: “oh”

[@Trashy9-_-9]

Yep, time to go cry in a corner but still keep listening to this

[@bnah1012]

sad moment

[@tdotitan8855]

Well maybe they should buy new ones. Maybe their fans cant keep them cool since it's too hot out. Or they could invest in an AC unit

[@swiftumbra2748]

My reaction was unadulterated laughter.

[@theturtle8869]

:(

[@WATObear]

Connor, the haemophiliac: Yeah, I'll box someone for the money.

[@rintaichou]

That meme of the two dudes in garden chairs sitting quietly in front of you guys while you talk is most of us here.

[@marthienenicole8641]

oh rin watches the bois

[@vampvixen4204]

nah i’m meilin with the two mugs

[@joykumaryumnam5502]

Funny seeing you here

[@samba-v8c]

Those two dudes in garden chairs are literally themselves. I haven't seen that meme in a while, but I think it was Connor and Joey.

[@leighgolem]

RIN

[@akumahikari7017]

Connor feeling betrayed finding out he's the only trash taste member who reads fan mails 😂

[@silver9489]

Though that's so sweet of him to do that

[@akumahikari7017]

@@silver9489 yeah pretty wholesome too

[@matthew_natividad]

That’s a man right there

[@velgard.]

Who is connor thats iron mouse

[@reality_404]

The antagonist is evolving

[@trains_worldwide]

As a Train Otaku myself, who makes videos of trains, I am glad to see that my community is represented and talked about even in a place like Trash Taste.

[@fudgingnerd8210]

Username checks out👍 Legit Train Chad detected

[@thetrippyonejacobzimmerman286]

When I saw "Trains of France" and clicked on the profile, I didn't expect to see actual trains. Giggity

[@TalonKarrde03]

I’m curious in what made you become a train otaku? Like what about trains is the thing the drives your passion about them? (Not a troll, just really curious)

[@HelloyouTheSmiley]

Hell yeah, I'm not entirely into trains, but they are strangly just kinda cool

[@realkingofantarctica]

"We hate our fans." Not surprising, I do breathe out of my nose after all.

[@matthew_natividad]

No mouth breathers

[@hijous]

You too? Same here. Lmao

[@Arciwiz]

Can't believe we do the same bro

[@shijnhanlibs7145]

I breath out of my mouth only when singing XD

[@nittynotkitty]

I breathe thru my ears

[@cecollector]

Lol “those who reply to all their fan mail are psychopaths.” Mr Rogers: that’s not very nice. :(

[@Muxeroth]

Who?

[@Trashy9-_-9]

@@Muxeroth F, Spawned too late.

[@NaNa_W4NT5_F3MNM5]

@@Muxeroth It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. A beautiful day for a neighbor. Would you be mine? Would be mine?

[@infinitestuds]

@@Trashy9-_-9 😂😂

[@cecollector]

@@Muxeroth Mr Rogers is a famous educational TV host who ended his broadcast in 2001. He is also well known for actually responding to each of his fan mail (as in actual physical mail sent in by his fans as well as the children who watches his shows.) and the responses are actually not canned responses, he legit wrote these people back one by one.

[@TheoMcAllister]

My favorite experience in Japan was when we met a group of Pokémon Go players in Nara who were doing a raid. Only one of us spoke Japanese, they didn't speak English, we didn't know the Pokémon names of the other, so we opened the Pokémon wiki and started asking and trading and swapped friend codes. It was so cool, and whenever they send me gifts I think of that magical moment Pokémon brought us together.

[@Toberumono]

Speaking as somebody who literally can’t breath through their nose (yep, it’s a thing, and it *really* sucks), I feel happy to be acknowledged!

[@menthol1234]

Jaw surgery solves the extreme mouth breathing problems.

[@nVinter]

Also nose surgery solves the beathing issue

[@Toberumono]

Guys? The main focus was the joke. The nose thing is real, but it’s technically a soft-tissue problem, which means that fixing by surgery would be… difficult and the issue fades in and out.

[@brysonbridges1496]

@@Toberumono same I have a sever deviated septum like my right nostril is completely blocked off so it’s a real pain

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Allergic rhinitis is annoying as well

[@DrengrBoi4eva]

Felix: I watch trash taste, so I feel like I know them, but I don`t know them at all. Garnt and Connor; Laughing. Joey; .......................................................................................

[@crobeastness]

how did they know pewdiepie's name was felix? i only knew because their editor flashed it on the screen.

[@-bruh-9068]

@@crobeastness Is this a serious question?

[@crobeastness]

@@-bruh-9068 why wouldn't it be? I saw a total of 5, maybe less PewDiePie videos and never understood the appeal. Why should I know his actual name?

[@norbi275275]

@@crobeastness largest creator on the site, everyone at least know of his existence, one google search yields his name immediately

[@crobeastness]

@@norbi275275 yes I know PewDiePie, I know he's largest guy on the site, I don't know anyone knew his actual name.

[@JC-jz6rx]

I don’t even know why I enjoy trash taste so much , it’s just a casual and relaxing thing to watch after a long work week

[@mikered2520]

Same here man, been watching over a year it still doesn't bore me

[@Ayyoo-Joe]

Facts

[@khatverse-kun5140]

Comes here after a stressfull school day

[@cameronlacey6141]

guilty trash!! love to hear it

[@giggity1471]

Dear Connor: You’re alright I guess. Signed - a mild appreciator

[@degenerateprick3288]

@You're the reason he's crying ...

[@herysaarchie2259]

Well that escalated quickly.

[@InternetDweller009]

@You're the reason he's crying you truly are the reason why im crying rn, How dare you.

[@atherasia]

"No one really interested in top 10 best, they want to know what's trash." Thus, Trash Taste was born with a (hopefully) promising future.

[@lillith7257]

Tell that to Watch Mojo

[@AzyYusry]

The amount of time Pewdiepie/Felix is mentioned in this episode is making me so hyped for when the collab finally happens

[@thund3r972]

Me too

[@user-fg3dz5kv7q]

Pewds wanted to go back to Japan for a long time now but couldn't because of covid, I'm sure he'll collab with them once that clears up

[@YUKIDEAN]

@@user-fg3dz5kv7q yeah he’s moving to Japan soon

[@rubenlopez2764]

Hes the white guy who said the n word on stream? Wow.

[@user-fg3dz5kv7q]

@@rubenlopez2764 Cry about it

[@_asfaltan_8002]

“Usually the top comments are a meme or a quote from the video. Like yeah, we get it, we all watched the video,” -Joey, 2021

[@tdotitan8855]

"Usually the top comments are a meme or a quote from the video. Like yeah, we get it, we all watched the video, - Joey, 2021 " -_Asfaltan_, 2021

[@rafaelz6211]

Paradoxical

[@Deloxo]

Beautiful. It's amazing.

[@gridlock1637]

Shiiiiiit…now I feel bad for having top comment now

[@annojance]

This is the meta.

[@KR_SinSZ]

I literally had this conversation with my friend yesterday about how fanbases can get more toxic as the series/franchise/genre/media goes mainstream. Before, the fanbase is dedicated to this niche thing that is special to them. After, there are factions of gatekeeping OG fans who think the good old days are better, new fans who joined because it is a new and trendy thing and want to change the thing to make it similar to other things they like, and normal fans who just want to enjoy the thing as is. Given time, the toxicity could die down as toxic fans find something else to be toxic about.

[@jerbjerbjerb5912]

theres that grey area between new fans and old fans and i think those are the very toxic ones and the ones who does the most of gatekeeping and very vocal about it

[@Haruka_May]

I just hate it spreading to the types of people that tell the creator to go off themselves because they feel the material is sexist for having outfits that show some skin or promoting degeneracy for having young-looking characters. The more popular it gets the more types of people you run into looking for something to be offended by.

[@Martin-yh7vi]

@@Haruka_May One of the worst are fans who send death threats to authors when their ships doesn't happen.

[@rizkyanandita8227]

Persona fans vs SMT fans, let me rephrase that. Persona 3, 4, 5 fans vs SMT fans.

[@stephensmith7327]

Good Gate Keeping does exist, but people don't really bring it up. No one wants to talk about how the Helluva Boss fandom started cracking down on people who shipped Stolas with his own teenage daughter, or the Punk/Ska fandom attempts to get rid of the Skinheads in their ranks when it comes to gate keeping. Mainly because the ones who go "oh, your not a real fan unless you know this obscure trivia" are so much more of a problem, so they deserve so much more attention.

[@alleycat2297]

It still blows my mind that so many Japanese people seem to be unaware of Anime's groundbreaking mainstream popularity in the West, I've talked to Japanese people, mentioned I like anime, only to have them go WHAAAAT way too many times, haha

[@AdamOwenBrowning]

I don't think "anime fan" fits the stereotypes of what they think Westerners do with their day.

[@swamppnus]

G lol, it’s like bruh I was watching shaman king on regular tv back in 04 an shit. Channel 33 or 39 Saturday mornings

[@siegej6635]

Love how connor just keeps forgetting his point when he himself is the one talking

[@TheUpa]

me irl

[@mrbaylove7]

It's relatable for me at times lol

[@CrisisghostOM]

Gotta love seeing Connor being supportive with his friends, and he is right, the Fate video was fun and a great entry to the overall world, no point on being so picky with stuff

[@icarue993]

Connor sounds like a very good friend by how he talks to them (and IronMouse)

[@Freshman704]

Agreed and the title literally says “BADLY” explaining the fate series like come on lol.

[@rubyred186]

yup! Wholesome moment right there. Even though he may literally didn't understand Garnt's fate video fully, we can see that Connor really enjoyed Garnt talking about his favorite franchise so passionately. It was wholesome and endearing to watch your friend telling and gushing about something they are really into.

[@vicount3944]

The problem the fanboys have with the video is that it pushes people away, rather than get them in. A lot of comments on reddit for example were calling the franchise overcomplicated garbage because of the vid.

[@Casthiel333]

@@Freshman704 Just to clarify, when the video was uploaded the title didn’t have the “badly” word. It was edited later in the title.

[@Sharkofspace]

The biggest problem with "Gatekeeping" is it's kinda like "Toxicity" They're both so poorly defined that it's basically impossible to talk about it.

[@diyu-]

Absolutely love how Garnt is able to fully express his vocal range in this new studio.

[@nightsky2165]

The shounen community is just one large tournament arc with opinions

[@JoltOfJoy]

True LULW

[@AllTheArtsy]

Shounen is just a cycle of hype - backlash - slow death. Very few retain hype or end well.

[@ReneeKy]

theres also ranking system which fandom is the most toxic lmaooo

[@StudentOfGod]

I disagree, you're wrong

[@basedanimanga4564]

One piece >>>>>

[@majinjew7727]

2:04:08 Hi, therapist here who also happens to have an entire room dedicated to a single series. A good rule of thumb answer to "is this okay or not?" is: If it doesn't cause significant impairment in your mental, physical, social/relational, or occupational functioning, it's probably fine. In my case, I just fucking love Haikyuu. That's it. 2:10:55 Hi, therapist here again. We all have limbic systems which are the pleasure centers in our brains. We have a genetically predisposed list of items that affect our limbic systems, and when we consume/experience one of those items, the fronts of our brains literally light up with pleasure. Everyone has a different list which is impacted by their genetics. Sometimes we are predisposed to enjoy alcohol if our parents enjoyed alcohol, and sometimes we develop our own items such as caffeine or gambling. This is why some people develop an addiction to nicotine while others can smoke whenever they want and stop whenever they want, and yet others absolutely hate it. I'm not quite sure what leads to bizarre addictions, though. I would say there could be a trauma component, as usually that's present with self-harming addictive behaviors. Trauma can physically alter our brains' neural pathways, causing certain things to be more or less appealing than they should. Cutting yourself may seem absurd to one person while it can soothe another, and the phone ringing may be normal for one person, but terrifying for another. Shit's crazy man.

[@raunakshahi]

Thank you for your service, you guys are true heroes 😊

[@majinjew7727]

@@raunakshahi thanks fam :D

[@kaachan]

Haikyuu room ftw!

[@WaiW41]

With the 'bizarre addictions', there is also the question of it being an addiction versus an obsession. Personally it feels like more of an obsession to me. If you entire house is Barbie or Jojo themed, that sounds like a super specific hoarding problem. I think in these cases, it is more likely than not to be detrimental enough to the individual's functioning for it to be considered pathological. As you mentioned, trauma can definitely play a major role in this and I agree. While I wouldn't say that OCD has a part to play in this kind of behaviour, I feel it falls in the same family. I don't know if there are any case studies of individuals with such obsessions which aren't manipulated, predatory TLCesque documentaries, but I think those might shed some light on the underlying mechanisms of this kind of behaviour.

[@Erick_Cuevas]

"Shit's crazy man" Ah, yes, the technical diagnosis lol

[@RageElixir]

I agree with everything they said about KZbin, but I feel like Connor’s favorite word is “egregious” 😂

[@shadebug]

Drink!

[@alleycat2297]

To be fair, it's a solid word.

[@ryekun1212]

to be fair.

[@sage12]

As I read the comment, He said it 🤣

[@Ek0]

"the absolute egregious state of British rowing"

[@alecfongy3175]

I don't see you guys as celebrities, I just see you guys as cool guys who make cool videos and interact with followers. And that's the way it should be.

[@BigRatNate]

To be fair, this *can* be a really sketchy way to see them, since it's hovering precriously close to the weirder parasocial relationship shit.

[@vichankco2648]

Their celebrities?

[@SpinningTurtle66]

@@BigRatNate I don’t think so. You’re not claiming to be their friends and they don’t claim to be close to the viewers, but they’re still chill and relatable people (well, as relatable as you can be for people who are in as privileged of a position as they are)

[@dfpl2554]

@@BigRatNate Can you elaborate?

[@alecfongy3175]

@@BigRatNate Nope, I don’t see it that way at all, I’m not involved in their personal life nor do I try to be

[@rallaa]

1:20:06 Connor: "I kinda wanna box someone so bad." Trash Taste special? A training arc between Garnt, Connor, and Joey would be cool. With safety gear of course.

[@FM-dm8xj]

holy fuck, keep liking this comment.

[@Jarmi777]

Now that Creator's Clash has happened, this sounds like it could actually happen.

[@chikasnotmadjustdisappoint6266]

"We Hate Our Fans." Can't blame you...

[@anustubhmishra]

since most of them are degenerates

[@ashaxe9962]

I hate myself too

[@alaskanbullworm1272]

It's a mutual hate *a Tsundere relationship*

[@pennyinheaven]

@@ashaxe9962 Same.

[@salty898]

Twitter comments on their posts be cringe bruh

[@crucifixus]

I enrolled in a university this year, and was amazed to find that my curator(teacher who presides over our group) looks exactly like Sydney. The face is the same, the expressions are the same, so much so that I am confident that a face id on a phone would not find a difference. Crazy meeting actual doppelgangers.

[@agenttwilight3305]

Ask her out

[@noelnixon1090]

@@agenttwilight3305 wait isn’t that his teacher tho?

[@sneakysquid9917]

@@noelnixon1090 and?

[@cessare2467]

@@noelnixon1090 What's your point?

[@GummyBall097]

ask her if she knows or watches sydney

[@beepbop9413]

To answer Connor's question, I think that someone becomes addicted to something due to the human need to bond with something. If a person is devoid of social interaction or relationships, they tend to bond with anything even with inanimate objects if the timing is right. I got this from a documentary on youtube a while back.

[@skelebro9999]

I bet someone from the subreddit will make "I'm scatman" from today's intro

[@adoniscreed4031]

I fucking hope so 😂😂😂

[@gordieparenteau6555]

Holy shit, Scatman!

[@makikazumi1323]

Fubuki going to trash taste

[@Luminousrift]

Is this a challenge?

[@wiehanmouton8974]

@@Luminousrift Oh? You're Approaching Me?😂

[@sixgarden]

"bop bop bop bop bop skidibop bop bop bop bop AHH" -The Boys, 2021

[@harshil9270]

trash taste awardw 2022 intro

[@olmanzzz842]

As a fate fan it feels like the fandom has split up into factions anime only’s, Visual Novel readers, Type moon fans, and Fate go addicts. I’m all I just consume anything the mushroom man makes

[@awenabalos3723]

I can't believe that Garnt likes BNHA over Jujitsu Kaisen

[@strollas]

dw thats a joke. *it has to be a joke*

[@NeostormXLMAX]

They both shit so it doesnt really matter what pile smells worse

[@corneliusmcmuffin3256]

@@NeostormXLMAX damn that’s hotter than a neutron star

[@zed7060]

I actually wanna know why people liked jujutsu kaisen so much. I watched it (dropped it after 19 episodes) and thought it was mid. Like the story didn't really have any twists and turns and the characters weren't very interesting, and the power system just seemed weird and confusing but maybe that's just a me problem. The fights were cool but is that the only reason people are watching this show? In constrast BNHA at least had some interesting characters (I liked todoroki) and there were some tense scenes like the All might vs All for one fight. I got bored with season 3 and dropped but until then I felt like it was at least entertaining, but Jujutsu just felt like a snoozefest the entire time so I really wanna know why it's so we'll received.

[@TheRealObi-wanKenobi]

@@zed7060 power system seeming confusing is a you problem. Todou and gojo are 2 very beloved characters. I have no idea why you don't like them

[@DarkZeid16]

Shoutout to the editors for the time markers. Not all the episodes have them and I understand that, I just really appreciate the ones that do and they help me navigate the videos when I dont have the time to do so. Much love, keep up the good work.

[@baning23]

Connor: "I get weird comments saying I'm gay in my rent a boyfriend video" Also Connor: "I just filmed one of my favourite videos ever, I worked in a gay bar"

[@tomp415]

Connor: *defends Garnt* BL Fans: "THIS IS WHAT I SUBSCRIBED FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[@pol610]

So the 93% then?

[@nittynotkitty]

@@pol610 not all girls are fujoshis

[@witcherye]

thats right

[@muhammadazamuddinbinazlan8518]

@@nittynotkitty but fujoshi means female otaku?

[@nittynotkitty]

@@muhammadazamuddinbinazlan8518 I don't wanna explain too much in detail but fujoshi is a female that likes gay (yaoi) anime/manga/manhwa /etc.

[@ferro1398]

13:00 Connor's entire story is kind of like those twitch donation messages that goes like "hi streamer you've helped me so much in life thank you but my dog passed away last night can we get a sadge in chat" lol

[@NevahLose]

Gura! My dog died. let's go! Boom, P2,500 donated just for that. Sana all

[@drcks]

@@NevahLose bruh that's like the monthly tuition for most private schools in the Philippines

[@tobias-arturnegrui7330]

This is probably the most relatable feeling ever. The fact that I'm watching this podcast every week and looking forward to it, it's like going to eat/drink with some friends. Felix said it and to add on top of it. It's weird that I know that much of you and you know so little of me.(as a viewer I mean). Still, it's a really chill place to hang out at the end of the week.

[@ssmash4214]

Ikr.The fact that most people feel the same is what makes trash taste unique and popular

[@Vicioussama]

I prefer to not be a "fan" of anything. As TotalBiscuit, years ago, pointed out, a fan comes from the word "fanatic" and fanaticism breeds no real good. I like things and people, but I am no fan about them nor will I ever deny when there are flaws with them. Because nothing is perfect.

[@tdotitan8855]

Wasnt expecting to see totalbiscuit on here but yeah how he interacted with his fandom was pretty good.... ironically enough this podcast reminds me kinda of the cooptional podcast... where the tagline was "we occasionally talk about video games" For this podcast its "we occasionally talk about anime"

[@Vicioussama]

@@tdotitan8855 ya, I can see that :P I think that's a good thing. And I do think TB has wisdom that needs to still be passed on to others even after he has passed on. That "fan" one is one I think that more need to learn

[@daniellau7883]

RIP TB… gone too soon. I still miss him, to this day

[@JarlBalgruff_]

Damn, same here. I'm not exactly a fan of anyone for that matter. I just love trash taste because I love their personalities. I'm not even an anime fan and I watch em 🤣 (used to, but kinda grew out of it for some reason)

[@2armn]

That's kinda trippy bro.

[@thunderslap21]

This was really informative and I'm sure most KZbinrs feel the same about their fans. We as viewers need to understand that they have lives outside of just creating content for us and that if we really care about them we should be understanding. It's nice when they interact with fans but just don't expect it.

[@alecfongy3175]

They actually know what they're talking about when it comes to parasocial relationships and they word it in ways that anyone can understand. Trash Taste is the GOAT podcast, idgaf what anyone else says.

[@Arciwiz]

@@alecfongy3175 me when trash taste

[@TOSkwar22]

You know, there's one aspect of fanbases and toxicity in gatekeeping that I think gets overlooked due to all the other- completely justified- criticisms of gatekeeping. Nobody wants to see their favorite thing die a slow death by becoming something it was never meant to be. When most things start out, they're small. The fanbase is small, the group making it is small, everything is small. People interact, there's a generally agreed-upon direction that the game/show/thing is going, all is well in the fandom. Then, things start expanding. Ideas start emerging. Some good, some bad. Creativity flourishes... For now. People are relatively accepting of newcomers, because they want to share the awesome thing they found. Then it happens. Things start changing in ways they never wanted. The new, expanded audience- bigger than the original crowd ever was- is insisting on new ideas, new directions, that are contrary to the directions the original material focused. And as that crowd grows, these new directions start to do something the original fans never wanted. It makes the thing they loved slowly, piece by piece, less of what they wanted, and more homogenous with the general public idea of what this type of game/show/whatever is "supposed to" be. Remember Fortnite? I don't mean "Fornite Battle Royale". I mean FORTNITE. The original game. I never got into it, but it was on my to-play list ages ago. Wasn't able to afford it at the time, so had to put it on the backburner. Base-building, zombie-fighting, tower defense, with all sorts of nifty ideas, a rapid build system that looked more competent than most I'd seen, all kinds of fun survival stuff... It had some stuff to it that could have made it a real hit in the basebuilding, tower defense, and a few other genres... It needed some polish and some work, but it could have gone far. I mean, not THAT far. It was a relatively niche product for a relatively niche audience from a group that had success in several fields, but was nowhere near the absolute titan that it became in the past five years. ... And then they made a Battle Royale mode. They liked the concept, and thought it could be cool. They did it in two months. And, they made it free. Hey, maybe if they get some extra attention on the game with this free side-mode they'll be able to get more purchases and really get the game going! (Or maybe the side-mode will be the important part...) ... Fortnite Battle Royale surpassed the "main" game's value almost overnight. Before you knew it, the "main" game was shitty side-content to FORTNITE BATTLE ROYALE, THE GAME TO END ALL GAMES. ... Paragon, another game in beta from Epic, was closed down completely to focus effort on Fortnite: Battle Royale. The game was shuttered completely, the limited playerbase of the paid beta refunded, and the game remains dead. To my knowledge, there is no plan to pick it back up. ... For Fornite: Save the World, the story ended... Okay, at least. They weren't completely cut off. Development DID continue. But... That's not always the way, and there was significant risk it wouldn't be the way here. Fortnite had the advantage of having two distinct modes, completely separate from each other, where one became the world's biggest battle royale game and the other continued to be a base building save the world zombie-fighting experience. It could have become nothing, like Paragon. Even as it was, the development of Save the World was sidelined in favor of Battle Royale. This is an extreme example, but it's an example nonetheless. The game that a relatively small group of people loved and really got into was completely and totally overshadowed by new things, new stuff, changes to the stuff they'd come to love... And many probably felt there was at least a bit of betrayal there. And in other games, games that start adding elements to the main game instead of a side-mode, the differences can be... Overwhelming, terrifying, and can destroy everything you loved about the game. Ask someone who plays Classic WoW how they feel about the changes made over the nearing-two-decades of the main game and see what responses you get. I'm not saying this is the only reason people gatekeep, but there can definitely be that internal perception: "If I just keep all these FAKE fans out, maybe they'll keep everything the way I like it! But if these FAKE fans dominate, then everything I love will be torn out of the game! They want to CHANGE it, I want to keep it the way it is! They're so FAKE!"

[@pivad1388]

There are honestly some good reasons to keep a community niche and relatively medium or small in size. I've seen few communities just devolve into a huge toxic mess after getting a brief spike in popularity, and then those very same people who entered during the community's peak and made the place toxic then left everything in a jumbled mess. Another danger that popularity brings is the entrance of corporations and those who seek to profit off of the popularity. There are also communities that are very stable and healthy with niche numbers. An example of a community bursting its bubble and turning into a gigantic mess is the Undertale communiry. It was really great when it started out, then became really messy as it became larger and larger. Popularity can either go good or bad, but there are legitimate instances when it is safer to have things small and niche.

[@felonyx5123]

The Yogscast is an interesting example. They have evolved with the times, maybe too late to keep the main channel as the juggernaut it once was but you could also say the people behind it have just changed priorities. It's more of a network of many channels now, some of them pretty big. You've probably seen a Spiffing Brit exploit video, he's part of the Yogscast. The guys who run the main channel and got the big Minecraft views back in the day seem to spend more time managing the wider network now.

[@DragonKnight90001]

Diggy diggy hole............ i feel bloody old now

[@tmck4138]

I remember watching the Shadow of Israphel as a kid. I’m in college now :/

[@thomasdeguzman1149]

I actually never knew Spiffing Brit was part of Yogscast, and I used to watch the main channel about a decade ago when Minecraft was just blowing up for the first time.

[@aservant1284]

Yogscast was the stuff

[@haziqwhz]

back in the day, Yogscast was peak content. Change my mind.

[@Sammy-mm6rv]

Connor: "Oh I wouldn't upload weekly if it was on my own back. Maybe once a month." You mean like Garnt? 😂😂

[@coldbattery]

dude has been more consistent with his upload schedule.

[@Sammy-mm6rv]

@@coldbattery Yeah recently maybe because og backlash but he used to only make 2 videos a month for a loooong time xD

[@mimijeet9921]

@@Sammy-mm6rv Not because of backlash, he said that he wanted a schedule for a long time but couldn't because he used to overthink a lot. I think he said something like that on the podcast.

[@Sammy-mm6rv]

@@mimijeet9921 Still not an exscuse considering how much support he gets. This is his job after all.

[@louisa1514]

@@Sammy-mm6rv twice a month is still a decent amount. That's once every two weeks, or 24 a year. A week is a short amount of time when you have plans and things to do, especially when what you create is high quality.

[@TF0ks]

Honestly it's a good thing they focus on the west while being based in Japan. I'm personally an old-timer and I use this podcast to reminisce about my boys and the shenanigans from my uni days. But I can definitely see how some people who believe they can be friends or are already friends irl might bother them if they were easily available to be bothered.

[@marioz2397]

I’m curious, how old are we talking about?

[@joshlegacy1101]

^

[@statesminds]

I know it's not the same. But it was overwhelming for me just playing an MMO and being an end game raid guild leader of around 500 people for a couple years and being on Discord and in game and having so many people trying to talk to me each day; while trying to give each of them time to get better or see if they're good enough to join raids and having training runs was too much for me after awhile while managing my real life. So couldn't imagine trying to do that with a huge fanbase. So completely understand that you can't interact with everyone

[@Jp-gc6bh]

Yeah classic wow was toxic LOL. I was the guy that the raid leader would have to haggle to finish his weed and get on the pc, I would be on the discord mobile and i would get bitched at so much

[@finitemango]

Man had a 9 to 5 job in an MMO

[@Jp-gc6bh]

@@finitemango you do. It’s why I quit, top raids spend hours grinding materials and shit needed for end game raids and shit like that. Good guilds boot you or just don’t allow you to raid with the A team if you don’t participate in the farming of items.

[@demi-yeethus5440]

Reminds me of a scene in Log Horizon about Shiroe

[@statesminds]

@@finitemango yeah plus I worked in real life on top of it plus try to spend time with friends irl haha was stressful times. Glad I quit.

[@almothaffar6228]

I lost it when Connor was talking about people obsessed with a show and then realize "Is that me with JOJO?" And what a plot twist at the end

[@kapdragon]

I might only be 20 minutes into this episode but the insight into what it takes, both timewise and emotionally, to manage your fanbase is something I never thought about but should have realized. As a fan myself, I agree that I would much rather have you guys continue to create content and not stress out about ensuring we know you're grateful. We know. We wouldn't be here if we didn't know. If you guys were assholes, guarantee most of us wouldn't be here. Keep being yourselves and we'll keep being fans. Thanks for the great podcast as always, it's a highlight of my week.

[@TSouL22]

I love hearing their insights on KZbin and behind the scene stuff. Very informative for people starting out.

[@alecfongy3175]

They actually know what they're talking about when it comes to parasocial relationships and they word it in ways that anyone can understand. Trash Taste is the GOAT podcast, idgaf what anyone else says.

[@dimaswirawan4528]

@@alecfongy3175 oof thats kinda toxic

[@shaukataliimran6926]

you helped me in reaching perpetual mechanical array

[@flaviotirelli1277]

Connor: "just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right" Archer Connor when?

[@Heightren]

Wait, I think I've missed it. Timestamp?

[@flaviotirelli1277]

@@Heightren my fate fanboy's head reacted to this: 37:50 (agreed with everything btw)

[@the_frost_]

That’s why he brought the Emiya t-shirt

[@lacane5722]

I remember gatekeeping my bloody checkers board in primary school. And after being lectured into letting others share it, the poor thing got destroyed and thrown on the roof for being "too boring". Like why tf did my classmates play with it if they didn't like it.

[@DrunkMelon]

Tbh that's something you should be allowed to gatekeep since it's owned by you. Also really crappy move by the classmates. Hope you got a better board afterwards :)

[@bisma1352]

@@DrunkMelon yeah it's not gatekeeping if you own the thing lol it's when you don't own something like: the series you're in a fandom of or a skill that anyone can learn

[@DrunkMelon]

@@bisma1352 Yeah ik what it is that's why I was telling the original commentor but thanks anyways

[@bisma1352]

@@DrunkMelon ah i was just agreeing with you and adding to it for the og commenter, not telling you.

[@gioo1155]

As a hardcore Fate /type-moon fan who's consumed literally everything from Anime/Manga/VNS/LNs/Douj-...I loved Grant's video

[@draroking]

i see what you did there

[@FaerieHijacker]

@@draroking Shuuten-sama doujins are the highest tier that belong in an art museum.

[@berry5974]

It was enjoyable, and it was made to be that way. Some TYPE-MOON fans have their heads up their ass and need to chill out.

[@marioz2397]

I watched Unlimited Blade Works because of that video.

[@LoomDoom]

Same here. I thought he did a good job considering how confusing the timeline can be at times.

[@FettManTAG]

"Do you read all your fanmail?" Most KZbinrs: "I would love to but there's just not enough time in the day to read and respond to everyone." Trash Taste: "No! And in fact, if you do you're a bad person!"

[@FettManTAG]

@@natakatt To be fair one of them did say something like if a KZbinr does reply to every fan message that person is bad news, and I'm nearly certain the word psychopath came up at one point. But this was meant to be a joke going along with the conversation the boys were having. a Trash Take on Trash Taste one could say.

[@miaumiau4475]

@@FettManTAG psychopath by itself isnt a negative word- just means a person doesnt have empathy, which would track with what they said about fanmail being emotionally draining to them. also i believe saying its "bad news" isn't that unfair seeing how many youtubers have been exposed for various stuff regarding fan interaction in recent years

[@sylas9762]

Felix introduced me to BLAME! and I would never know that I love it so dearly if it's not for him, with the way he conveys his emotion in that video. He got me to read lots of novels and philosophy books. But nothing tops that video about BLAME!.

[@Rellux01]

Connor talking about the fan mail thing is him trying to get a paid "vacation"

[@gianchaves4392]

Ah trash taste lore

[@yourfbiagent5849]

"opens twitter" to give him a vacation

[@UNLebanon]

Has no one on the internet taken Ratatouille to heart? Everyone is a critic. Being a critic is easy. The average piece of junk is still worth more than the criticism denoting as junk. Remember, "fan" is short for fanatic for a reason.

[@stephensmith7327]

I feel that reviews that just go "Good/Bad" are the worst kind of reviews. There's this one KZbin called Noah Gervais who reviews entire game series or several games with similar themes and talks about how they all play off of eachother and similar media outside of gaming. His review of Red Dead Redemption got me into Cormac McCarthy(of No Country for old men and The Road fame.) It was his description of All the Pretty Horses and The Boarder Trilogy that got me interested, I liked No Country the film but heard that's the superior version and didn't care for The Road.

[@Bighomie39]

@@stephensmith7327 there's a similar channel called Action Button that goes insanely in-depth. His 6-hour review of a dating sim that I will never play is somehow one of the most compelling discussions of media I have seen in a long time

[@bugskull-d7o]

I mean, there are bad critics but music critics like theneedledrop, some movie critics and a lot of book critics do give interesting observations and criticisms that explain WHY they don't like something and actually could artists with an open mind grow and improve.

[@UNLebanon]

@@bugskull-d7o I'm not knocking criticism. Criticism is how we grow and improve our craft (whatever that might be). Just that people need to realize that even good criticism from a good critic is still just a person's opinion. It's not worth getting upset and throwing a fit over.

[@JoshuaHenelyThornhill]

This is probably one of my favorite episode ever. You guys really went deep into those tangents and talked about subjects not a lot of creators would dare to talk about 🙏🏾

[@anotherlee_]

Gatekeeping is horrible but like Garnt said we can empathize with them. They get so emotionally attached to something that it becomes a part of themselves. It feels very special and some people thrive on being different as a way to express their individuality. To have it going mainstream, it would feel less personal. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter and people should just keep looking for the next new thing.

[@ziyadkhalil8980]

They must have like next to zero passion or connections with the outside world if they are too attached and gatekeeping a show, in my opinion.

[@anotherlee_]

@@ziyadkhalil8980 it's annoying but, as long as they're not being harmful to anyone or themselves, it's not that bad

[@Wavecheckfoo]

I definitely gatekeep in skateboarding lmao but it’s only cus I genuinely wish for the days when it was still unpopular and looked down upon but that’s just me. I’m still nice most of the time but I definitely get toxic like that period where it was “cool” to wear thrasher shirts I was going crazy 😂

[@mrnobody6438]

U do know they r the reason fan bases get a bad reputation Bunch of loosers

[@stolenspace4932]

Too many gatekeepers= no second season

[@xMack_]

Finally caught up with all episodes! Time to watch the premiere!

[@jelanster848]

indeed

[@Trashy9-_-9]

Very much indeed

[@emmarisby]

Adorbale!! Tbh I haven't seen the chess or car special but I saw the rest 😬

[@adamhercik581]

Great job, welcome to the club.

[@kllrnooooova]

Eyy

[@weirdjujus]

Garnt saying "Somebody, Please TALK ABOUT THE WEATHER!." cracked me up so much. 😂😂😅

[@NectarinoMo]

Dung beetles are actually beneficial for the soil. Paparazzi are like unrecyclable plastic waste in the drain.

[@unionfire]

Exactly! Dung beetles just minding their own business rolling poop AND being helpful for nature lol Meanwhile paparazzi... More like plastic left on the beach and nature for animals to choke and die on...

[@catherinepellegrini4808]

Someone has to make a compilation of everytime Garnt says "when your British"

[@SourTb]

When my British what?

[@sechabatheletsane9784]

@@SourTb donut

[@strollas]

he doesnt say that at all though in the previous episodes

[@severedwings]

@@strollas yes he has!

[@sudeeppednekar8355]

Re:The addiction thing Connor was wondering about. Here's my theory, I think if you boil it down it all comes down to getting happiness from a particular thing. After a while most people get bored with their obsession. I was a huge Friends fan when I was watching it for the first time and was totally obsessed with it, now I will never voluntarily watch it. I still love it but won't watch it. These people somehow are still able to derive happiness from those things which just leads to that situation.

[@newbie4789]

I hear everyone always saying how cute and amazing the relationship of Joey is, but Grant and Sydney is something really motivational

[@carlneoh5843]

Connor and Chris is the best, no doubt

[@coldbattery]

you mean chaotic and shouting every time they're on camera ? One can't live without ugly bastard, the other likes crazy girl. 😬

[@corneliusmcmuffin3256]

@@carlneoh5843 I don’t know, the tsun on tsun action when him and iron mouse is around is pretty inspiring. Also Chris can make anything sexy so it’s kinda unfair giving Connor such an advantage.

[@13lace]

I can relate to the discord thing. I was a mod for a large server for a while and had people name call me and or blame me for banning their friend when their friend was spamming every channel with racist comments. I feel this so very hard.

[@Christopher._M]

Hahaha the people will complain for everything haha

[@chronicdoll4334]

Here's my weird fan mail message: I've got PTSD. Watching you guys and other KZbinrs honestly helps. It's not anything complicated to follow, there's no distressing stuff like watching a TV drama; it's just a way to focus on some fun banter rather than my horrible mind. Thanks for the rather unconventional therapy, guys!

[@ellusiv5121]

Hoping for a successful recovery 🙏

[@federicofaenza8675]

We were sooo lucky in Italy. We started getting anime aired on tv since the late seventies. During the eighties we had HUNDREDS of series airing everywhere. During the late eighties and early nineties I used to go to the UK during holidays , and I was surprised there was nothing "anime" around!

[@guppy719]

I would guess there is a lot more native programming in English than Italian for kids.

[@kb-ww1uw]

Yeah one thing that suprised me as an asian is how big anime and manga is in Italy and France. I thought europeans only cared about artsy films and stuff and learning how there's a huge overseas weeb culture outside of southeast asia and america gave me a whole new perspective in the world

[@nutella7162]

Yeah, my friend was always on holiday at her aunt's house in Germany and they would get anime on tv practically on a daily basis in the 90s. While I remember we first got an anime on tv (it was either Astro boy or Dragon ball) in like, 2005. After that they put out Yu gi oh, Pokemon and Bakugan since the toys were selling well among boys. And then nothing for years. Only if you had cable you'd catch Inazuma eleven. Around 2018./19. they put out subtitled Eureka 7 and some random fishing anime from the 90s/80s I've never heard of on a channel nobody watches that usually has westerns, foreign artsy movies and documentaries. Plus one random Haikyuu episode for whatever reason. On cable they also had Mirai and Lu over the wall playing at one point. But that's about it

[@federicofaenza8675]

@@kb-ww1uw grendizer was a social phenomenon for both Italians and French. From that, it was a waterfall

[@DieAlteistwiederda]

I'm just glad that we got a decent amount of it here in Germany too early on. Like Sailor Moon began airing here in 1994 which was less than 2 years after it was released. I grew up watching all kinds of anime and while not everyone knew what anime exactly is every kid watched some of it even if it was just something like Mila or Pokémon.

[@karimodang5660]

They should add “crew camera” so when funny things like Ashley trying handing coffee and meyline ‘ incest’ incident can be documented! Just pop it up when funny things happens so doesnt really clutter the screen

[@joshuaC.]

Commenting so more people might see it

[@SophTumbleweed]

I think it would make the bts work a lot more stressing. They would have to be camera ready in every moment and that's just not how things are bts, and if you saw their office tour you would understand that they have a lot of equipment there so it's not easy to move around, so trying to set up a decent camera angle must be a nightmare. I also definitely think that the guys explaining us what's going on from THEIR point if view will always be a hundred times better than just seeing it on a little corner lol

[@karimodang5660]

@@SophTumbleweed couldnt agree more! Lol , i just hope if they do add the camera, just treat it as it isnt there😂

[@karimodang5660]

@@yellowcard8100 thanks for the insight! Lol Maybe meyline doesnt want her cue-card madness be recorded😂

[@jamescanjuggle]

id like it so i find out what happened at 1:05:50 and why no one acknowledged it xD

[@NicoTetrox]

Thanks to this podcast playing in the background while I was sleeping, I broke out of a sleep paralysis nightmare. Thanks bois.

[@GuidoC-Design]

shoutout to ashley being a complete chaotic energy in this episode. Shoutout to 1:05:44

[@zaylulz6597]

Yeah wtf even happened there? lol

[@bassbusterx]

probably tripped on something

[@SophTumbleweed]

I hope they're ok, it sounded like something really heavy fell and Joey seemed real concerned

[@spongekupo]

Sounded like somebody got karate chopped off screen haha.

[@Manuke_zt]

I instantly thought that he fell down the spiral staircase

[@flamingshadoe2384]

01:14:47 The start of trash taste, me: "wtf is this who watches this", half a year later enjoying every single release on my Saturday like damn... Still watching to this day, thanks lads!

[@SBChaevok]

I think the main thing that's problematic with Anime and Video Game fans nowadays is instead of fans getting bullied or chastised as a whole, or Gatekeeping game/anime as a whole - there are now cliques of fans that are like "OMG, you like isekai/shonen/etc or you like fps/moba/etc, what a beta, real fans like X" - or "Oh, you just watched S1 of SAO, you aren't a fan" or "you only play COD, not a real fan" which is sad. Just appreciate you gaming/anime as a whole, you don't have the superior taste... That comradery is now shattered by genre. Just my thoughts.

[@Kalingrato]

Thank you for being so open and direct. We need more of that. I have to agree with the 1st part. We definitely know a lot more about you guys, than you know about us. If I were ever to meet you in a convention or something, I would probably bring up things that happened, and feel strongly about, but I'm just another random unknown person for you. So you make a lot of sense. I will definitely keep that in mind if we ever meet somewhere. I'll just greet you guys, say you are doing a great job, and that's it. Very good points, and well explained. Thanks.

[@jazzmochi2561]

I love how these dudes are such awesome friends who are supportive of each other. Man, thats a positive circle of friends right there, so awesome.

[@Gwenx]

For the fan mail part of the vid - I’ve heard other youtubers talk about fans writing them “goodbye” letters or very harsh letters with very intimate information with threats to get a reply. I think its good, honestly, to not read to much fan mail as it can set permanent marks on a person that gets a lot of them.. Nice you speak up about it :D

[@jadenjones3398]

Man I’m pretty deep in the fate community and garnt’s video was one of my favorites I’ve watched in a long time keep up the amazing work bois

[@amogus1415]

Virgin Garnt and joey:suffering from success The chad connor:success ffrom suffering

[@Floraclaw]

Honestly Connor definitely being the big chad in this episode.

[@amogus1415]

@@Floraclaw yup he really showed us his big brain this episode.I didnt think he had such in depth kniwledge about youtube

[@JL-ji7xw]

1:28:41 Some really good advice from Connor. Probably because I’m not a creator but it puts things in perspective. “KZbin is constantly changing, you are building a foundation on quicksand” food for thought for anybody who wants to get into content creation.

[@shashwatnarayansingh3407]

Every week we get closer to Felix on Trash Taste episode.

[@RinneAlta]

You gotta admire how the Sonic and Mario meme has cross pollinated all their channels now

[@SukienniceS]

Although an active listener I don't really comment on your videos, but I just wanted to say that this episode with its range of topic was super interesting! Loved the earnest peek behind KZbin, Fandom and how you view your work. Had fun listening to it!!

[@simplyyamir]

Connor really felt the "with great power comes great responsibility" after getting deep fan mails

[@lynxcool555]

To address Connor's comment about having to do extra-work to get into a franchise, I think he's right if there are retcons or an unclear order, but usually I don't think you can go wrong by going in chronological order of release. Usually the info will be on a wiki and pretty simple to follow (unless it's a very obscure franchise.) That's how I got into Fire Emblem the very first time (a few years after Awakening released)

[@sablen1319]

I can’t imagine becoming a Fire Emblem fan by playing the games in release order. The older games are so, archaic.

[@ecanoya]

I always go release order, even if it's different from chronological order, like with Monogatari, or Kara no Kyoukai

[@SkyLarkArk]

@@ecanoya same

[@FaerieHijacker]

@@ecanoya Somebody watches Kara no Kyoukai in different orders? Wtf Typemoon fans.

[@Kaimax61]

whatever the timeline mumbojumbo can be, consuming something in release order will always be fine, because you get to enjoy it from the start, every decisions good or worst for the franchise. Starting chronologically or god forbid "THE BEST ONE FIRST", will give you heavy biases. Like I started playing Yakuza from Zero, because people said it was the best, it was also the prequel to 1. WRONG suggestion, because now, going to YK 3 is gonna be super jank because of how dated it has become. and same with anime, in my experience most people that I know started on DEEN's FSN instead of Zero, became a more tolerable fan because they experience the franchice from the bottom.

[@bacontuna8386]

This podcast really gave me such an appreciation for Connor I never knew I could have. Always loved his content, but now I really love his perceived personality.

[@dshvd2410]

I hope that my story isn't unique and that someone else had a similar experience with Garnt's Explaining Fate video, because hearing that it was a true passion project and not a "job" thing was really invigorating for me as a formerly casual Fate fan. Before that video, i only read the visual novel and watched a couple of episodes of the UBW anime. I didn't give a shit about anything else, simply because i had chosen a waifu for myself and that was enough. (For anyone curious, it was Medusa) After i watched that video, i got into Fate PROPERLY. I rewatched UBW in its entirety and finally watched Zero, Prisma Illya, and Apocrypha, and also re-read the visual novel, taking care in noticing many details that i missed when i first read it when i was a teenager. (I didn't touch FGO, fuck that, i'm not loaded) Back then, i wasn't really an anime fan, i was more of a visual novel fan. Read many visual novels, but didn't watch anime at all. Holy shit did i miss out on so many important themes, character developments and details i couldn't simply comprehend as a stupid teenager. Back then, i really hated Archer. REALLY fucking hated him. All i saw was someone who betrayed a noble dream, and i kinda thought that he became a villain. But as it turns out, it was the other way around. The dream betrayed him. And i completely misunderstood the very reason Shirou has this dream, to become a hero. Shirou has arguably the worst case of survivor's guilt in all of fiction. He's straight up suicidal and wants to become a martyr, and he is the way he is because his soul was destroyed and rebuilt within the span of a single day. It happens in literally the very first lines of the visual novel, and i have no clue how i was so stupid to miss something as big as this. And that's just the first thing that popped into my mind. Thank you Garnt, for finally properly getting me into a wonderful mess that is the Fate franchise. Now i won't miss it for the world

[@fatemadman9688]

Good For You!

[@noatmealcookie02]

I'm not familiar with Fates but this comment sounds so wholesome 🥺

[@palamecianrider7385]

Same for me. Only the VNs and the Extra series on the PSP

[@Mencece]

well, archer aka "Actually Satan"

[@Sh1ftane]

Yeah, Garnt's video wasn't as in-depth into the Nasuverse and it didn't have to be. It's a nice primer for people to get a good grasp on what the other series in it are like.

[@alaskanbullworm1272]

Garnt:Good evening, mouth breathers! Me: Good evening, crust munchers!

[@LukSter18998]

@@Weatherman4Eva it feels Extremely sexual

[@pennyinheaven]

I'm so happy I got into Gintama and Jojo. They're both chill.

[@gelbug1991]

Jenna Marbles was that KZbinr for me that I came back to later and saw how much she had grown. Her early stuff was inconsistent... one video...genius... the next crude for the sake of shock value and just not funny. I never watched her consistently until she switched from sketches to just doing whatever the heck she wanted to and it was so awesome to see her owning it and not trying to be someone she wasn't for the views. Started following her religiously after that and am so sad she left... 😞

[@jayjayjay00100]

so what's this comment about?

[@luina78]

I'm the same, she was a part of my daily life after she stopped doing sketch, i'm so sad she left. I visit her channel from time to time but i had to accept she stopped youtube for good. You get attached to the youtuber you grow up with, i sincerely hope she's doing well now.

[@gelbug1991]

@@jayjayjay00100 early in the podcast they were talking about youtubers they weren't really into at first but then checked back in years later and really admired how much they had grown.

[@saifors]

From my experience the gatekeeping thing has just been to keep out the people that don't want to integrate into the community and demand it changes for them.

[@faboo2001]

The whole "what is a successful KZbinr" discussion was such an odd one, specifically if one can be considered one if/when their channel stops. Failing or fading away doesn't negate ones success. Happens to everyone in any career.

[@aduboo29]

Yogscast starting splicing in non-Minecraft content like 10 years ago. The wind-down of Simon's presence on the channel and pivot to things like TTT/other GMOD content (even if I think it's pretty entertaining) did more to kill their numbers than anything else. And as an organisation on KZbin/Twitch Yogscast is still doing just fine, if nowhere near the heights they once were.

[@zapdragon23]

I'm still baffled by the whole "the yogscast is a failed channel" thing that has been going around lately. they might not pull the numbers they used to but they have been pulling consistent numbers for a very long time

[@matthewbentley1236]

Well I think it was the wind down of Simon's health that caused a lack of presence on the main channel. There was also legitimately a time when youtube actively prevented gaming content from being on the front page when only days before the front page was only yogscast.

[@MNewton]

Certainly the main channel doesn't get as many views as it once did but they spun off sooooo many side channels and twitch channels that has more than made up for what views they are missing on the main channel. They just released a video game for heaven sake. YOGS is enormousness now, I literally don't even know how many there are at this point. They do a con every year, Jingle Jam makes astonishing money for charity every year. The idea that Yogscast is anything but an unqualified success is just baffling to me.

[@HailHydra27]

Without even knowing it he picked a perfect example for "what constitutes a failed youtube channel?" I dont know their twitch numbers but its obviously enough to keep going and add new members and just make youtube not a priority

[@Persephoneia01]

@@HailHydra27 Yeah the yogscast (as in Simon & Lewis) are doing fantastic. They've just moved on from youtube like plenty of other older youtubers. I feel like a lot of people aren't aware that The Yogscast are still really active and doing fine just not in the same way they use to be.

[@santiagowho]

I blame Trash Taste for making me say "at the end of the day" in every sentence I cannot stop.

[@FaerieHijacker]

I got infected by the "like" virus since ep 1. I can't articulate my sentences anymire without saying 'like' more often than I like to admit.

[@alezanderlancelot585]

Joey's stretch at 1:00:30 when Garnt mentions "gatekeeping in fandoms" is so cute~ like a cat! He's like "oh shiett, here come the offended people, lemme just stretch real quick"

[@jasonkng99]

Am I the only one that recalled Connor's Bible story when he spoke about 10 bucks? Haha