We Lost Our Minds Playing Mario Party Jamboree ft. Shenpai, JoCat & Ray

[@RTGame]

I am a simple man that desires one simple thing CHANCE TIME.

[@bakedtoast278]

this stream was a blast to watch

[@skull4658]

chance time.

[@thedotgiver2820]

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[@runed0s86]

So... Where are the Pregnant RT pics? You got an Onlyfans?

[@harleyjanev7119]

literally did a 30 round with my brother the other day, same map. it was just as savage, and he hated me for it. i ended up with 12 stars.. woops..

[@pepperdee7437]

"Just remember Dan, I am an artist, and I WILL draw you pregnant" is the funniest and most effective threat I've ever heard

[@velconx15]

I felt shivers when she said that.

[@demonmysterykid3343]

I am scared that I will randomly find that now.

[@frozentanukii]

@@demonmysterykid3343 "randomly"

[@KC_Garcia]

Fear the artist.

[@GunSpyEnthusiast]

That's not a threat, that's a promise.

[@whatevenisthis-4408]

Ray saying "I've defeated one RT, I can take on another" GOOD LOOOORD

[@Digidude0]

Ahh so thats what RT stood for in RTGame. 😂😂

[@RegalRoyalWasTaken]

Im confused what is he referencing

[@penguinman2233]

@@RegalRoyalWasTaken Rooster Teeth

[@RTGame]

I will be the last RT standing, watch out Russia Today

[@HazeEmry]

@@whatevenisthis-4408 hilariously, Ray also beat RT in WolfeyVGC's PLA tournament and prevented him from getting a clean sweep. Something about "RT" makes Ray want to win more

[@JoCat]

let this be a lesson: listen to Dan

[@foxidkwhattowrite8339]

Damn how did you only get 26 likes? :[

[@jkingsoul5115]

It's more now.

[@Willothemask]

Congratulations! And your thumbnail art is ADORABLE, amazing job

[@Samm815]

It's good to have you back my man.

[@CoupleOfNerds_YT_channel]

Good to have you back jocat❤

[@thesandwich5321]

Records management student here for the disney porn comment: technically speaking I don't think the legislation would support them concealing it unless it's classed as "dangerous/immoral material" which I think is subjective enough to possibly... pooossibly make an argument for study in an academic setting. What I'm saying is, you could absolutely BS your way into viewing it with a bit of smart research and phrasing. Never give up on your dreams.

[@webbowser8834]

They are, at absolute minimum, confidential business records, so good luck getting access to them unless they become relevant to some legal proceeding (at which point you have bigger issues because you are in a legal proceeding with *Disney*)

[@ryanstrider8655]

As someone who hasnt watched the video yet: What the in french fuck-

[@Nio-i4x]

@@ryanstrider8655as someone who is barely 5 minutes in *_WTF_*

[@NerfPlayeR135]

Nintendo owns the rights to a Mario porn parody called "Super Hornio Bros." No, I am not kidding.

[@RollingBlocks]

​@@NerfPlayeR135 They've also DMCA'ed a Patreon post of a realistic depiction of Bowser cock all with the spikes and spiked ring, so it's canon now

[@CeHee123]

The thumbnail is adorable.

[@yaboipktendo]

Shoutout Shen for the amazing art

[@JBRedux]

Yeah Shen did a fantastic job

[@SubSpace-bs5fr]

Dan looks simply ✨f a n t a s t i c ✨

[@SomeGalNamedEve]

Shoutout to Shen for making absolute banger art

[@Schnort]

I love UwU soft Dan as Daisy

[@Tribdinosaur]

Method Actors should consider getting into Mario Party if they want to perfect the "down on your knees, cursing the heavens" scream that RT let out during... *THAT* scene.

[@Sootielove]

omg timestamp?

[@snowyfate]

Chance time?

[@Tribdinosaur]

@@Sootielove starting 50:23 onwards

[@Tribdinosaur]

@@snowyfate that's the one 50:23

[@Tribdinosaur]

don't skip ahead if you're avoiding spoilers! 50:23

[@whatevenisthis-4408]

18:09 oh no the pregnancy saga begins On Ray's VOD, his thumbnail artist (Gael) actually made RTGame pregnant in the thumbail too

[@Mi-yh2oh]

oh my god they did

[@LilChuunosuke]

oh my god they actually did it

[@NerfPlayeR135]

I did _not_ need to be cursed with this knowledge...

[@Kaarl_Mills]

​@@NerfPlayeR135 If you don't follow up on threats no one is gonna take you seriously

[@takenname8053]

Honestly, Based artist

[@mxyzptplk]

Of course RT is pregnant, he never fails to deliver! Edit: I didn't expect this to blow up so I should clarify I saw a joke like this on a random video a while ago and used the joke for this video, because it was so fitting. Also rt if you see this again play rain world

[@RTGame]

I hate this comment, but thank you

[@velconx15]

What a comment

[@Mr.Brothybear]

HUH?

[@raflamar4146]

Created a channel in the discord where people posted mpreg art and talked about mpreg, it existed for the day but was deleted

[@morebagels]

thank you inv rainworld

[@rayyylmao]

This was such a fun lobby. Thank you so much for the invite! Hey next time we play can we ban chance time? 😅

[@megaman7010]

"Is that how you spell fish?"- you probably

[@HotBuns-l8f]

Ray and Dan in one video!?!? Both of you guys are freaking great! Best crossover in history.

[@iasomnium919]

No. Chance Time is sacred.

[@willrintzler7296]

Ray and rt was not what I expected to see but hell yea

[@lynx4082]

Love that your avatar is just a rotating model

[@RegalRoyalWasTaken]

Shenpai threatened to draw Dan pregnant and it was all downhill from there for everyone's emotional stability

[@MasacoMike]

Shoutout to that one moment near the beginning of the stream where RT was asked to do an impression of Shen and he just goes "Hey have you guys ever played Final Fantasy XIV?"

[@iaxacs3801]

That stream was just banger after banger. I do not envy Cloé for having to decide what jokes got to stay and which had to get cut Edit: It's Cloé not Sophie mb

[@cairoraiser9338]

@@iaxacs3801 Do you mean Cloé? Cloé is the editor, Sophie is MsCupcakes - a fellow creator.

[@CatOfCosmos]

I love how Jo ends up winning with Shen's chance time, which gives him Ray's stars, which was Dan's idea.

[@lxnrdagr8]

*equity* above all

[@Spplaart]

Spoilers. Booooooo

[@MsCerealCat]

​@@SpplaartSimply don't look at comments before finishing the video.

[@pippastrelle]

@@Spplaart I do kinda wonder where we talk about spoilers if not in the video's comment section?

[@Spplaart]

@pippastrelle direct telepathic communication

[@Spicygoats]

The pregnant art threat has to be my favorite meme of all time because not only is it funny but a very real and possible threat. Artists can draw anything. _ANYTHING._ And you should be scared because that includes you and whatever cursed scenario we can think of. >:]

[@MrGalaxypool]

This, however, may backfire if the person in question is enough of a freak.

[@UniquelyStickersNightmare]

​@MrGalaxypool be afraid if the person you threaten can match your freak. 😂

[@The-S-H3lf-Eater]

I'm not scared of the pornists.

[@dani007a]

Ramping the threat up to hyper pregnant art was even better, too.

[@acemcwolf5445]

The best part is 33:24. It *does not* matter what you think, You *CANNOT* out-freak chat.

[@CeHee123]

2:18 Now that they say that, I can't unsee that Dan's little icon has hair that looks EXACTLY like Daisy's.

[@pinkberd4232]

fate

[@kingwrian6502]

I love how Dan allowed them to talk about him being pregnant and only protested when they said he was having a litter Like mpreg is fine but he draws the line at being a furry

[@The_Dragon_Boi]

11:26 fun fact! Cockroaches are insects who produce milk! So yes, a wiggler can be both an insect and produce milk

[@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit]

Huh. Maybe we should domesticate them...

[@brendent.934]

Huh. I thought that it was similar to pigeon milk, except it’s not actually milk.

[@kodicraft]

I'm not going to question the logistics of a cockroack producing milk!

[@glintfroese5570]

Bird “milk” and cockroach “milk” and jumping spider “milk” and caecilian “milk” is not considered milk because the “milk” does not contain lactase and lactose. But imo I’d count it as milk because it’s a nutritious liquid necessary for young

[@setster007]

Neat info to know. Spreading it is getting you half a ticket to the underworld, though.

[@M4SKED2001]

Everytime Dan invites Shen to play a game with him, he loses more and more of his Sanity. One day he'll eventually break, but that day is not today.

[@Renix360]

That’s 100% Ray’s experience with her too.

[@Molten_Anarchist]

This implies he had sanity to begin with.

[@kloudknight7511]

Will he break first or become pregnant first?

[@SharowbladyeGaymerPorate]

Shen and Rin too

[@DeadSprite]

I'm pretty sure that Shen set this one up though.

[@therealHaml0rd]

Jocat and RT TOGETHER IN A VIDEO???? Truly, we must be in the best timeline.

[@wail2774]

Ah it's that guy.

[@CatLeone2003]

69th like!

[@donovanlocust1106]

​@wail2774 the guy who made a video on how he liked girls and got chased off the internet for it

[@CHUCKLZLORD]

@@donovanlocust1106 You're right, I should go watch that a few dozen more times. BRB

[@wail2774]

@donovanlocust1106 yeah kinda forgot about him tbh, seemed like the usual twitter drama

[@theivoryguy2476]

"I went too fast and hit my hand on the table, this may affect my cranking" barely a minute in, this should be a delight.

[@deedee6613]

JoCat is an unexpected addition, but a welcome one.

[@kingdestroyah3204]

I could not agree more

[@iaxacs3801]

Ive been waiting for this since he came back and it panned out exactly as i thought it would

[@kuparikuppi]

JoCat purposefully losing the wagers only to become the winner is a true definition of a underdog story

[@pacocheung1864]

RT in a daisy dress is actually the cutest thing, props to the artist, they’ve finally immortalised Dan’s true form Now all we need to wait for is the pregnancy album

[@HazeEmry]

@@pacocheung1864 might I suggest the Daisy music video Dan made :)

[@Emily12471]

He wears it well even irl

[@fleefie]

The worst part is that he actually wore it well too which is terrifying. Daisy's dress should not fit her greatest hater, yet here we are.

[@gamergirl48]

I'm pretty sure the artist is Shen, actually. It looks like her style and she also drew her and RT's little avatars in the corner.

[@kaitlynlancaster4655]

I mean the VOD on Ray's channel has RT as both daisy and pregnant

[@tjomatic7193]

4:44 The fact that you guys tied on pinball of all games is actually insane

[@mitkitty]

My best friend and i tied on pinball last weekend and the *sound* she made was...actually scary (especially since i won the coin flip)

[@arielvalentine2500]

Absolutely amazing to see Ray throw out an "Everypony" in this the year of our lord 2024. Never change, ray. RIP Mr Diddlez

[@Sonicstriforce]

32:14 Ray: "There's always the Chance Time to swap" RTGame: "I hope someone gets that turn 29 and just wins" 50:28 *Whatever is written in the Script, shall become Reality in this Mortal Realm.*

[@CreepyPersonCube.]

They actually called Dan the Drift King on account of that harrowing incident where he was lost at sea for seven months. Don't bring it up! He's in therapy, he's getting better. Oh, and, the wriggler actually SWEATS the milk, like a platypus.

[@ED-gw9rg]

Weird, but...cool actually! Didn't even know a platypus did that.

[@Dinoman972]

That or it makes milk crystals like that one species of cockroach.

[@CreepyPersonCube.]

@@Dinoman972 In my first version of the joke I said that each wriggler segment has their own sets of udders, so many of them that by the time you're done milking the last sets, it's time to start all over again on the first set of udders. Wriggler farmers usually die of a combination of sleep deprivation and hand cramps, very tragic.

[@Nat_the_Chicken]

@@CreepyPersonCube. The ultimate mashing minigame

[@CreepyPersonCube.]

@@Nat_the_Chicken FARMER: (pulling on his milkin gloves) Remember this moment,, son. Someday soon you too will be called to service. SON: (tearful, does the wriggler salute)

[@ironickrempt]

from boypregnant to boybortion in one episode. This one is going down in the books

[@tearay1073]

BOYBORTION????????????????

[@ariannadravis3934]

BOYBORTION IS FUCKING AMAZING

[@cptsapper2887]

the 'good luck everypony' got me omg

[@happyhatebot]

It's incredible how much Mario Jamboree content Ray has been in, and how every single person he plays it with is also just amazing. How does that man have enough time? And why does he choose to suffer like this!? Lineup for this one is just stellar, though I suppose after Shen appeared in a video earlier this year it was perhaps... inevitable. Would be hard for me to choose just four people I would love to watch do things then this, though. Just awesome.

[@SmoothTurtle840]

To be fair, Ray doesn’t usually suffer in Mario Party sessions, he _thrives._ And he always has time for Mario Party 😄

[@NewMega252]

​@@SmoothTurtle840Mario party suffering is nothing like his Minecraft suffering lol

[@seanmcandrews9514]

​@@SmoothTurtle840of course he does, he writes The Script

[@whatevenisthis-4408]

I love Ray's little guy spinning like he's in the microwave in the corner

[@CeHee123]

One minute in and Shen has been exposed for having a crippling addiction. This is the content I subscribed for.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

37:15 *“HYPER PREGNANT.”* *Dark Souls music intensifies*

[@HazeEmry]

Also it's so nice to see JoCat back. I don't even play the games he makes videos on but they're all so delightful and informative Edit: I just noticed Gobbo in the thumbnail 💕

[@darkydk1650]

Ikr

[@starsgears9200]

Catboys are an indicator species. The presence of a Jocat indicates a healthy ecosystem.

[@SevenVT12]

Yeah, dude got a rough run of luck but it's so good to see him back.

[@28_futaba]

who's this dude?

[@SevenVT12]

@28_futaba Old dnd/FF14 content creator, got bullied off the internet for having a partner and liking women, but in a gay way.

[@tsnap4]

The combination of Ray doing what he does best (making dry, funny comments without missing a beat) and you cutting to Ray's foogie (no idea how to spell that) just spinning is so fun.

[@Nat_the_Chicken]

I was gonna tell you how to spell it like I usually do but I have never heard that word in my life and have no idea what it could possibly mean other than the contextual "stylized 3d model" edit: someone else in this comment section spelled it "fugi" so maybe that's right idk

[@Pokecraftking]

50:38 I don't know if I've ever heard Dan yell something with such passion and energy ever, my god. CHANCE TIME!

[@ariczwy]

Ray and RTGame are my two favorite streamers, so to see this collab happen was absolutely mindblowing!!

[@finleymorris04]

I think they competed in Pokemon before

[@harambemclovin8347]

@@finleymorris04yeah they competed in a tourney before. It still so weird hearing him again after almost a decade since rooster teeth

[@LysaBell]

Its always such a weird feeling when ray and Dan's universe's collide. Its like when your parents meet your teachers. But this is more funny and you can watch from the distance. Love everything about this!

[@TheIowanEevee]

Mario Party is like a box of chocolates... you'll never know how much trauma and rage that you'll have to repress afterwards.

[@jlco]

me when I look into Nestle's background as a company

[@BenSpace]

Love how Ray starts spinning whenever he speaks lol

[@tritondemius3723]

Im glad Shen knows the one perk of being an artist, we can make any image a reailty, no matter how cursed

[@whatevenisthis-4408]

14:30 the congrats to tina narvaez jr. (Ray's wife) into "whY doN't yOu dO thE SHUT UP miNigAme" omfg

[@crackedemerald4930]

1:13 i love the arrangement of soft and cute anime characters and then just a judging grown man fumo staring directly into your genome.

[@grummtep]

Ray building his financial account while everyone else were paying boo mercenaries to steal each others stars, only for him to start converting all his coins into stars and sky rocket to the lead is just incredible

[@stetson_newsie2600]

Feels appropriate for Wario as well 😂

[@cameronscott9399]

As someone who watches a lot of chilledchaos, seeing ray's name here was a bit like going to the aquarium and spotting the silhouette of a great white in amongst the koi pond

[@maregondrako]

As someone who also watches a lot of chilled and used to watch (the other) RT, same lmao

[@holycowitsdave]

Ray starting out strong with "Good luck, everypony!" "Don't ever say that again." "Ookay, just kidding!"

[@CriticalCipher]

I thought I heard that, had to look him up and check he was a brony so yeah he did say everypony.😂

[@kirbykraftgames]

Can’t believe Dan’s playing Mario party while pregnant, the stress is too much for the babies

[@heyyitsdexter]

50:28 this moment might go down as one of the most satisfying payoffs to a mario party game of all time

[@fistOFjustice91]

I love the way Ray's fugi spins, and snaps back when he's done talking lol

[@dobregt]

JoCat sacrificed all his coins in the last chance time but fate recognized it and rewarded him for it

[@nicolasscarfo1721]

18:09 such a creative threat💀

[@Iamaperson-f3r]

It's also a widely known one. Which is why no one dares to tick off an artist.

[@DraconisLeonidas]

Ray is not someone I expected to see in a video, just in general, not only for RT. Man, it's been forever and a half; the last I saw him was when I stopped watching Achievement Hunter, which was a while before he even LEFT AH and RT. I did a double-take when I heard the voice like "wait... is that..?" A weirdly surreal feeling. Good to see him still around, though.

[@Asterail]

He's been streaming for quite a while and posts vods on his channel. So if you ever need to hear him crack jokes and be cracked at games, that's the good place.

[@DraconisLeonidas]

@@Asterail Oh i knew he was still streaming and stuff, I just don't watch streams, so I never really expected to see him in a YT vid lol.

[@literallyredacted1934]

I love RT and Shen being chaos gremlins together

[@DanielParisi-pt6xi]

“You guys want anything from the rope store” I’m DEAD

[@whatevenisthis-4408]

This video is so surreal. I've been watching both Ray's and RTGame's content for ages and never in a million years I thought they'd make a video together I can't believe two of my favourite streamers collabed and I MiSSED THE STREAM At least now I can finally say these things in the same sentence THEY USED TO CALL HIM THE DRIFT KING BACK IN COLLEGE LETS PLAY

[@sorio99]

Ray is like when I play against Normal CPUs, and restart turns just to get the EXACT outcome I want, except he’s just playing against you lot and not cheating.

[@nora_kopit]

Rt, Shen, Jocat, and Ray all in the same video... this is going to be a masterpiece.

[@iaxacs3801]

I highly recommend watching the whole VOD genuinely wasnt a dull moment

[@cyan.cephalopod]

24:14 RTGame zootopia abortion comic when

[@cailieisidro5758]

💀

[@AttackoftheSpazz]

A string of words I wish I didn’t understand

[@saccorhytus]

I don't know how or why RT is pregnant yet, but that's pretty dope

[@samiamrg7]

14:35 I like how JoCat said “Tina Narvaez Jr,” as though either the “Jr.” is a part of Ray’s last name or there is another “Tina Narvaez” in her family even though her maiden name presumably isn’t “Narvaez”

[@naviledreamweaver3219]

''Jr'' is a part of Ray's full name, yes.

[@SiilanPies]

She does go by Tina Narvaez Jr. but I'm not sure if the Jr. is part of her name from a legal standpoint. Might be, might not. But she uses the Jr. And yeah, her maiden name is Dayton.

[@CaptnStarFry]

You know, the ending is made even better because even the game rubs salt on the woonds by just popping the “thanks for playing” achievement

[@penguinman2233]

Shen and Jo constantly threatening to draw Dan pregnant is WILD.

[@kyleblitzing8996]

I like how its went from we hate daisy at all costs to: I am daisy

[@StanleyVanMan]

Watching the end live was like watching an underdog in pro wrestling make the upset victory, as the crowd erupts at their victory.

[@zanderbacon3822]

1:10 “Sinji, crank that Souja Boy”

[@webbowser8834]

Man, this was hilarious. You guys are madlads for actually doing a 30 turn game on this.

[@brebrobro]

14:56 JOESTAR MENTIONED

[@shoz_katharsis]

WAS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE??

[@fireandthunder9862]

I had no idea these guys knew each other. I think everyone here is within two degrees of like 75% of the Let's Play and podcast content I've engaged with.

[@Ivy-jq6di]

This is my favorite Mario Party collab. Artists threatening someone with mpreg is just peak comedy

[@TheMegaMarshtomp]

4:46 Nothing quite like playing a 3-minute long game just to roll a die. It hurts...

[@crinjaninja1957]

RT doing stuff with Shen is something i never expected but couldn't be happier about, he mixes so well with that whole group

[@webbowser8834]

IIRC RT collabs with Shen on a semi-regular basis. Pretty sure she's one of the more frequent guests on this channel.

[@rapogirl1391]

You should watch them play randomized Elden Ring together. Now there was a good time...

[@Britterzbee]

Fortunately, as the other comments have said, this wasn't the first time! Please seek out the other videos, they're great!

[@reverendroar]

13:44 ‘he said the thing’ is the KZbin equivalent of ‘look everyone the monkey is dancing again’

[@pilarwolf8818]

Chance Time no longer sounds like a real collection of words

[@Bango-om7sc]

Dream blunt rotation

[@TheFuriousNightFury]

29:27 "He's got retractable teeth, like Toothless from How to train your Dragon" TOOTHLESS MENTIONED

[@entothechesnautknight1762]

I just wanna point out really quick; Waluigi isn't Wario's brother. He's not even related to Wario *or* the Mario bros, he's just his friend he plays sports with. Waluigi isn't part of some theme he's just named that, its pure coincidence he became the opposite to a guy named Luigi. Also; cockroach milk is real and exists. Wiggler is selling you bug milk.

[@snekeater980]

dan losing the bowser jr minigame due to a dice roll is just murphy's law taking effect on him XD

[@meepswag35]

I’m happy to see jocat doing well

[@NovaOtari]

2:55 you can't just ask JoCat of all people if he likes women

[@jonathangough9967]

It's kind of what he's known for.

[@CadDriftarus]

Hearing Ray's voice for the first time in like several years was an unexpected delight. I was a fan of Achievement Hunter, and only just recently started watching streamers in general so it's lovely to hear him having so much fun :D

[@Jr837_]

"'hyper-pregnant'? what does that mean?" nature is healing

[@cachemoneymoolah]

50:28 “Always remember… the man who likes big girls always come out on top.”

[@mr_fog1149]

I was at the live, I watched the vod and now there is a video. ... This group of voices is surprisingly good as a background noise.

[@ChannelIsNotInUse]

This is an absolute dream collab, seeing Ray from all the other collabs, Jo in general, and another collab between Shen and RT. Y'all really made my day with this one, and shout out to all the amazing folks here ❤ (Also believe in the RT that believes in the Chance Time)

[@team4star1]

Have I already watched this? Yes. Do I know who wins? Yes. Am I gonna watch it again? Hell yeah I am.

[@crackedemerald4930]

26:04 jocat's little avatar reacting to every beat

[@IgnitusPlays]

As someone else with also 10K Plus hours in final fantasy 14. It is truly an experience

[@Dereego]

Hearing the term "hyper" in that context in the middle of the video jolted me awake

[@insomniacnerd5592]

Shenpai, JoCat, AND RTGAME?! Good lord, this is a stacked vid.

[@pingin6885]

wadda hell is rtgame doing on this channel

[@DavionStar]

Oh my God I haven't laughed that much in a while. Thank all four of you so much. And Cloe for editing as well.

[@StickMaster500]

Chance Time is probably one of the most anime moments you can get while playing Mario Party that provides what the kids say “peak fiction”. Also, Shenpai makes the best thumbnails whenever she’s involved in these game nights!

[@spellboundbanana]

I always love how cozy the cloud gets!

[@TyGuy9001]

Absolutely crazy play at Chance time by the end of the game! Very fun video to watch, cool to see all these folks playing Mario Party together! JOCAT SWEEEEEP

[@TomBaito]

How it started: Time to play the new Mario Party Jamboree with friends! How it ended: CHANCE TIME! CHANCE TIME!!! *CHAAAAAAAAANCE TIIIIIIIIME!!!!!!!!*

[@whatevenisthis-4408]

The entire minigame at 11:34 had me in stitches. It had no business taking as long as it did, in the VOD it went on for like 5 minutes lol

[@Kaarl_Mills]

I feel like it's just a bad game

[@whatevenisthis-4408]

@Kaarl_Mills i think its stupidly funny if you're playing with friends

[@_sorbetunderscore]

I like how the last half of the video is just RT going “This is how we can still win”

[@yeetymcneety]

14:06 This part made my cat concerned

[@Xp070]

Been waiting for this ever since I saw Ray's POV. This was such a good session, this group was perfect.

[@hunterlaag8373]

Flint Coal? Now, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time... A long time.

[@Robin0928]

Ray, JoCat, and RT in one video is basically the last 12 years of me watching gaming on KZbin... God I feel old now