I think the super glue let go then the disc broke. You can get high heat epoxies that should do the job. Normal epoxie as you found out will turn soft when heated and let go.
@Scott002 жыл бұрын
I agree, I think the glue failed then it shifted and that is why it broke..
@Bot.number.694202 жыл бұрын
There is also terosol structural body glue. It is a tube with 2 components mixing inside and that thing is sickest stuff I tested. You need to heat it to harden it well, we put smaller parts in barbeque and glue was really hard after a while. Mostly we used to glue on aluminium honeycomb impact dampeners in front of open wheel racer.
@Wok_Agenda2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the spoiler
@FGarray2 жыл бұрын
@@Wok_Agenda don't read the comments before watching the video doofus
@Abgasfresser2 жыл бұрын
My guess would be that because of the high friction during the burnout the engine side ceramic got some serious heat, expanded and because theres only a very small amount of play between flywheel, clutch and pressure plate when the pedal is bering (partly) pressed down, the clutch disc exploded because it wanted to expand more than it could...
@boostjunkie23202 жыл бұрын
this is seriously one of the best channels on KZbin. respect from the USA
@isDatBoi2 жыл бұрын
but.. they're russian man.. remember?
@Zommari2 жыл бұрын
@@isDatBoi Boost know that. He just sad that he is from US 🤪
@roamerreed2 жыл бұрын
@@isDatBoi citizens of a country have little to do with the decisions of their government. we're all humans.
@bxndxlx41502 жыл бұрын
@@isDatBoi So what? They are just citizens of Russia. Not like they work in goverment or something.
@hayleyxyz2 жыл бұрын
@@isDatBoi The Russian people are just like you and me, trying to get on with their lives while their government are f'ing everything up.
@mikeglenn33332 жыл бұрын
I remember helping my dad replace the clutch in his 1965 Ford Galaxie 500. It has the 390 with the 4 speed manual. That clutch would go out frequently and my dad decided to use a ceramic racing clutch. it worked although the pedal was heavy. The car never had an issue since. Now I own the car.
@joshuagibson25202 жыл бұрын
Drive it. Makes it happy.
@kanartech2 жыл бұрын
You are now a dad. Great memory
@WhuDhat2 жыл бұрын
what a cool heirloom, It's not still running that same clutch is it?
@mikeglenn33332 жыл бұрын
@@WhuDhat No. I replaced it 9 years ago with a McLeod organic/ceramic clutch. The ceramic clutch I mentioned was put in back in 1987
@mikeglenn33332 жыл бұрын
@@joshuagibson2520 I do drive it in the summertime
@katieandkevinsears77242 жыл бұрын
I can imagine a mechanic in Havana watching these videos for ideas. The cars in Cuba are kept running with some creative ideas like this.
@killerdinamo082 жыл бұрын
They really need solutions like these, household stuff is what they have around. However, internet isn't necessary one of those.
@drewhinners87932 жыл бұрын
They're going to need this in Russia too in a few more years too with sanctions the way they are. This channel is just prepping.
@anibalbabilonia18672 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure they have figured it out! Lol 😂
@waldoalexramos2039 Жыл бұрын
Free cuba
@geemcspankinson Жыл бұрын
@@waldoalexramos2039 This right here, no more foreign intervention & international bullying
@rayzincrothravenwood15102 жыл бұрын
A high temp adhesive and surfacing the contact faces of the tile. Using rivets or screws would only introduce weak points in the tile and if they get even a little loose, the jolting would cause premature cracking. The hot spots on the flywheel and pressure plate have a couple causes. If the material was not uniform, there would be different spots with different properties. Like mixing a cake and not getting all the lumps. This is not very common with today's manufacturing, even for the cheap stuff. I believe yours happened because of uneven contact and wear creating isolated areas of high friction instead of dispersed wear. Your ingenuity and willingness to take on these projects is appreciated.
@meex88hiphop2 жыл бұрын
I believe yours happened because of uneven contact and wear creating isolated areas of high friction instead of dispersed wear. if that was the case then there would be a stripe rather than a spot i believe its when ta-ta-ta-ta is happening + the uneven grip so the moment it grips 100/100 its instantly stopped, like in friction welding and therefore it leaves hot spots
@MrSexyPsycho2 жыл бұрын
nothing but common sense written like its fancy lip wriggling.
@dh20322 жыл бұрын
it a tile why not use tile grout that stuff basically what pottery kilims are made from
@rayzincrothravenwood15102 жыл бұрын
@@dh2032 too brittle. Having done work in masonry and tile setting, I have always found that the grout has crumbled before the brick or tile gave way. Maybe using Steel Stick putty as long as the adhering surface is well scuffed and clean.
@modelnutty65032 жыл бұрын
agree the faces should have been surfaced VERY flat+smooth. better adhesive definitely required. it may be possible to make it reliable.
@Micharus2 жыл бұрын
Need a re-do with the smooth/decorative side out, just to see what happens.
@tnickknight2 жыл бұрын
Exactly the same thought
@thomasridgdill21652 жыл бұрын
Same
@goosebee2 жыл бұрын
It would probably slip and not grip at all
@crisnmaryfam73442 жыл бұрын
@@goosebee would likely burn through the outside layer quickly and then start to bite. The shiny polished layer is really nothing but chemicals.
@goosebee2 жыл бұрын
@@crisnmaryfam7344 yeah
@daysend13412 жыл бұрын
Powder the tile and mix it with fiberglass resin to make your own plates. That would be awesome and cheep to do. Love you guys ❤️ definitely one of my favorite channels on KZbin.
@fryloc3592 жыл бұрын
with some fiber to help it hold together
@ifgezroxy3 күн бұрын
That is actually amazing idea. At least in concept level. In theory you could gain some strength to the friction material.
@daysend13413 күн бұрын
I would like to see this done with many different types of porcelains all the way down to super fine sand. Can you imagine the launching power You would get "once or twice" with a sand emulsification. 😂❤❤❤ I just love it because it's something that no one else is doing. It is striking creativity out of my mind when it comes to car engines and related parts.
@Iowa5992 жыл бұрын
The hotspots on the friction disc are due to the thickness of the disc… As steel is heated the friction coefficient gets higher, so it grips, or gets hotter faster. Since the back of the friction disc isn't machined, it has thin spots, and those get blued.
@fastinradfordable2 жыл бұрын
👍
@jamestrebillcock4718 Жыл бұрын
The three spots will be high spots off where they gripped it in a three jaw chuck on the lathe when they machined it
@markmatthys63689 ай бұрын
18:27
@Iowa5999 ай бұрын
That's how long the whole video is 😂
@slocavky2 жыл бұрын
This video was great. Absolutely took me for surprise.. didn't expect it to work.
@FeralDayASMR2 жыл бұрын
try again with smooth side this time as rubbing surface
@NoWr2Run2 жыл бұрын
AGREE, Smooth side.
@dismayer6662 жыл бұрын
And that's the way it should be done.
@chrissss6962 жыл бұрын
Usually they coat porcelain with glass, so that would be like a glass clutch, instead they should try to sand the back side to make better contact
@NFSINSANE2 жыл бұрын
The back of the tile is too textured you need a smooth surface to glue it properly to the clutch hub it would probably work significantly worse or fall apart quicker
@jonathankaufold75032 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing
@midniter20012 жыл бұрын
It is rather impressive how well it was holding up
@raven4k998 Жыл бұрын
well bathroom tile is made for durability man what would you expect?🤣🤣🤣
@drtydzlcreations2 жыл бұрын
Some racing clutches are very coarse. I suggest using big metal cut off wheels or a grinding wheel to drill and counter sink into. Been watching for a long time and enjoy seeing y'all push the limit's and create.
@raven4k9982 жыл бұрын
just remember if you try this do not pop the clutch as that will break the clutch🤣
@-A-Hybrid-Skunk-Productions-2 жыл бұрын
That was a really awesome video Team Garage 54. You guys was awesome. I find it really amazing how something that is so smooth can grip so tightly. It is so puzzling but it is amazing to watch. Thanks for sharing this video with us.
@NoNamer1234567892 жыл бұрын
It's actually quite rough, it has a certain grit to it. You can evem sharpen a knife on a tile (smooth side). The grit just chips/abrades metal because it's much harder.
@-A-Hybrid-Skunk-Productions-2 жыл бұрын
@@NoNamer123456789 Wow. I did not know. Thanks for the reply.
@NoNamer1234567892 жыл бұрын
@@-A-Hybrid-Skunk-Productions- np
@MrTheHillfolk2 жыл бұрын
@@-A-Hybrid-Skunk-Productions- metal looks tough , but it's really a big sissy. Look how an oil seal cuts a groove in it when it's a shaft. 😁
@RowanRedbrush2 жыл бұрын
The super glue definitely let go. It's not designed for heat. I think you gentlemen need to use extreme heat metal epoxy like JB Weld. Very entertaining, like always! Thank you!
@raven4k9982 жыл бұрын
that or the porcelain tile let go as it was made for a bathroom not you deal with the heat and friction of being a clutch🤣
@cmendoza10942 жыл бұрын
Considering these are hardly scientific, I do enjoy watching the engineering behind the things you make. It's amazing Russian ingenuity.
@jakkbatt47112 жыл бұрын
Science is simply screwing around and recording it😁🤣
@dmeemd77872 жыл бұрын
I can't believe that adhesive handled as long as it did! That's great! Friggin LOVE this channel!!! 😊👌🤘🏻
@jannejohansson33832 жыл бұрын
That glue must be good! I was sure it would broke instantly. "Surface area dosen't change amount of friction (alone)" How about angle grinder disc material? That have fibers and not gona broke easily. It is thinner too. That original material looks like carbon fiber, maybe the break pads made from clutch..
@WhuDhat2 жыл бұрын
brake pads from those newer clutch pucks would be interesting
@romanvejar59852 жыл бұрын
Good idea! Scoop some chop saw abrasive disc's seeing that you can get a 14 inch one or larger. Shoot see if they can even adapt it into a twin disc setup!
@techn1kal1ty2 жыл бұрын
I wish we had Ladas here in the US, I love the way they look.
@andrewerickson66902 жыл бұрын
you are not alone brother maybe just maybe when this B's is over we could import a few they are over 25 years old and the import price comes down when the car count goes up let's talk
@joe125ful2 жыл бұрын
Just buy one...
@hitekredneck1092 жыл бұрын
Some of them made their way to Canada many years ago. I was just a kid and remember them being junk back then but yeah, they look neat. Put the body on a good chassis with a small block chevy and fun would be had
@joshuagibson25202 жыл бұрын
Your government won't allow that.
@herobrinecyberdemon81042 жыл бұрын
@@joshuagibson2520 More importantly, large car corporations won't allow that.
@mauryamckendrick54462 жыл бұрын
I love these guys! We all pretty much know what is going to happen, but they set out and actually prove it and sometimes prove what we think will happen to be wrong! Either way I get excited whenever they post a new video!
@operator80142 жыл бұрын
This was AWESOME. Please do a little more work with this!
@rotax636nut52 жыл бұрын
Try this again but use a couple of 30cm metal or stone cutting grinding discs, use the water jet to cut them to shape and rivet them to the pressure plate. Grinding discs have a strong woven construction that incorporates the ceramic friction material and are designed to be strong in tension, heat proof and completely shatter proof
@raven4k9982 жыл бұрын
well, when you think about it at least bathroom tile is water resistant🤣
@davidotto76662 жыл бұрын
I just want to say hey a shout out the garage 54 and to let them know that it is so awesome to have them on KZbin I really enjoyed the content and the knowledge cuz sometimes people can't afford to buy the part they need to have to learn how to compromise and I think this guy shows that and some ways and he also teaches you about cars this shows just playing awesome thank you again you too you too
@alial-saeed23322 жыл бұрын
I have an idea worth trying, 2 manual transmissions in Lada, the 1st transmission is connected to the engine as usual then welding a flywheel at the end of 1st transmission, then install a clutch for the 2nd transmission, then install the 2nd transmission, last you install driveshaft to the end of 2nd transmission after adjusting driveshaft length. Remember that 2 clutch pedals are needed to change gears for each transmission individually, this will add so many variables to rear-end torque and speed ✌️
@Grumpy_CBG2 жыл бұрын
No need for the second clutch and flywheel, think 4wd gearbox into the transfer case (or twin t-cases) all shift off the one clutch on the back of the motor.
@kentworch2 жыл бұрын
As a lathe guy myself I know when properly set up a lathe runs true. If it was out of round, you would have a one sided engagement on the flywheel and pressure plate. Those spots however, are likely caused by uneven expansion and contraction of the metal as the temperature changes. I've seen this on clutches before and it's likely caused by the friction of the clutch heating on the inside where the friction occurs faster than the outside edge. This causes the metal to expand and bulge outward into the clutch disc leading the those hot spots.
@bobbybrown2132 жыл бұрын
i love how you guy do these projects to se if it works and the info after is vital i think i have repaired a few clutch disks to extend the life due to lack of money to replace the part and i have had good luck with it ive shimmed the clutch to thicken it and on a seperate job i used fiberglass resin just the resin and it to worked for some time thanks for the videos looking forward to more
@whathappened22302 жыл бұрын
Always cool stuff on Garage 54!
@DexMaster8812 жыл бұрын
The reason why you have Heat spots is basically because The ceramic spot-welds itself for a moment when it finds grip and when the heat transfers it brakes off again. The plate doesn't have full contact like regular clutch plate so the heat transfer is not even and there in for distributed, but concentrated in small areas and therefor Very amplified. Also ceramic plate gets much hotter. Realistically they are used on Tanks Combines tractors and heavy duty Huge torque machines. But Flywheels and Pressure plates are much harder, also Clutch baskets apply way more pressure to engage them. They have Multiplate design and reduced diameter compared to Regular clutch plates. Since Ceramics needs higher Temps and pressure to start gripping. But when it does, it sticks stronger. Multiplate design helps smooth engagement and heat distribution.
@boshaznip2 жыл бұрын
I think the failure was from the glue letting go. Cyanoacrylate or superglue is too brittle once its cured and also will soften with heat. Try using a reinforced epoxy capable of higher temperature like JB Weld, that should hopefully take more punishment.
@Reman19752 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see we got a thorough look at the aftermath with this one. It's interesting as hell, but they don't always include it. My guess on the cooked spots on the flywheel and cover plate would be that they were ever so slight high spots. With the almost instant abuse these parts saw, they would have experienced localised uneven heating from friction, then as the metal expanded they'd have become much more pronounced high spots. I'd think that if this clutch had been given a bit more of a break in time the contact area might have become a lot more even. I'm now wondering what they could have used to skim the clutch disc flat before fitting it? A tool post grinder would probably have done the job, but the porcelain would have been brutal on the grinding wheel. Maybe something like an old knurling tool would have been able to "Crush off" the high spots without cracking the whole disc?
@pieterbezuidenhout27412 жыл бұрын
Great comment. I certainly agree had the material been smoothed out it would have been much better. Tricky process though but a Diamond cutter could have been used. ' DROPPING ' the clutch is definitely not recommended especially when it hasn't been ' seated ' on both pressure plate and flywheel through time. Otherwise one helluva video and hats off to these marvelous Russian guys saving us unnecessary money experimenting.
@luci-fer2502 жыл бұрын
also you need heat dissapation grooves so it wont get hot so quick also power breaking on a new clutch will take out the clutch quickly my truck 95 nissan has a 3 puck ceramic clutch in it getting a smooth take off is very difficult because the clutch wants to engage instantly just food for thought.
@All_I_can_say_is_Wow2 жыл бұрын
I would really like to see this again, with the smooth sides out and high heat epoxy. It seems like it could actually work. I think the shaking was from the coarse side of the tiles being on the outside.
@raven4k9982 жыл бұрын
he broke the clutch he broke the clutch well that's a first usually they burn out the clutch not break it in a million pieces🤣
@dermetzger2 жыл бұрын
Ok... I'm not even gonna lie, I was damn near certain that disc was gonna explode, like IMMEDIATELY. But, that burnout literally left my jaw dropped open... I love this goddamn channel
@danbergthold34812 жыл бұрын
Lada windshield glass would be perfect in this application. Tricky to cut maybe, but you guys can do ANYTHING!
@andrewsmart29492 жыл бұрын
love it,bit like the australian TV program "bush mechanics" where an elder make clutch facings from wood
@benniestander27252 жыл бұрын
Love this channel. Doing crap we wouldn't dream about.....
@anonymousrydr83992 жыл бұрын
new video idea. make a floating device boyant enough to hold a LADA, use the drive shaft as a propeller through the floor of the boat that will hold up the lada lol
@davek882 жыл бұрын
That was a Lotta rubber from the 1 wheel burnout😂🙏 Love the channel guys! Much love from Canada!
@SirDrakeNewcanon2 жыл бұрын
Thats are hotspots you can machine it really hard, because in the past the spots were heat threatened by the cluth. So if you try to turn the plate in the lathe or mill it in the milling machine the mixture of the harder and softer areas are making throuble to get a good result. It can be too that it was machined the right way, but if you have done the burnout you created the hotspots with the ceramic clutch.
@makipsee2 жыл бұрын
since they used the rough side of the tiles it DECREASES the contact area between the flywheel and pressure plate which at the same time effectively INCREASES the clamping force of the pressure plate which is why the clutch was so grabby
@amosdominguez6992 жыл бұрын
Good quality Clutches are balanced in the factory that's why it bits more in some places of the flywheel and pressure plate
@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur2 жыл бұрын
This is real engineering. Big respect from the Netherlands.
@scofab2 жыл бұрын
You need better glue I think, or recess the tile to take rivets. And as with the brake pads I think it would work better using the smooth side for friction. Nice try. 👍
@raven4k998 Жыл бұрын
I think they are still working on finding an adhesive that handles the heat better I mean if they are using it for things like this you would to for a youtube channel if you do crazy things like this on it
@DaveFromColorado2 жыл бұрын
You should make a clutch where the friction material is solid copper. That would be significantly awesome!
@MrTheHillfolk2 жыл бұрын
I ran a sintered copper 4 puck disc once ,it chattered like a bastard but the ceramic/ carbon replacement was 10x better. Suitable for daily use in fact.
@DaveFromColorado2 жыл бұрын
@@MrTheHillfolk in the old formula Continental car that I used to run, with a Ford 2.3 l carbureted engine we had a solid copper friction disc for the clutch. It was perfect for an open-wheel race car, it would suck on the street but it would be interesting to see them make a clutch like that.
@ronaldrhoades97832 жыл бұрын
i say lets do a retry only this time machine the ceramic a little thinner put the smooth side facing the flywheel and the pressure plate. the pressure from the pressure plate should me more than enough to grip (using a new one of course) by doing this i believe you will get grip around the entire surface of the fly wheel and not just in spots also make sure you use the proper adhesive /nice to see the three ring pistons are still running strong great video guys
@brianbloom17992 жыл бұрын
Ceramic tile is also used in bullet proof vest, Put 4 of them close to one another, And try shooting though it.
@No1414body2 жыл бұрын
If the tile was fiber reinforced it would help, most ceramic clutches are ceramic/metallic reinforced with metal fibers
@MsLoneWolf42 жыл бұрын
Take the holed tiles and build another clutch with smooth out. Also sand down the rough side before assembly to make sure the disc will be flat. As shown the spots are the high point that are making contact.
@chrismechanic20002 жыл бұрын
the blue patches are hot spots from over heating the not worn in clutch, like you said it is not full contact yet so it overheats in the small contact patches until it wears in. also you glued the tiles on the smooth side which has dye and a layer of glazing, you should have removed that layer and glued direct to the ceramic.
@RealNotallGaming Жыл бұрын
dark spots are due to clutch release. when placing the piece on the lathe with a dial gauge it is not possible to go wrong unless the piece is undertightened. if the turning is wrong you can see entire areas turned and others not because the piece has turned diagonally.
@longroth48822 жыл бұрын
Ceramic clutch discs usually have multiple separate pads attached to a backing plate, It's just too rigid with a solid ceramic surface. If you look at the backing plate you used, the six wings and all the grooves machined in it makes it flexible, and the stock friction material will also flex, allowing it to conform to the pressure plate and flywheel evenly. But it was interesting to see the results. Curious to see if it would work better by making 3 pads, and attach them to the three wings that have the rivets attaching them to the center plate, and cut the three remaining wings off.
@randydalton47992 ай бұрын
This channel is off the chain, love it
@Julian-do7bv2 жыл бұрын
Worked better then I expected
@rustymotor2 жыл бұрын
Great experiment and clever workmanship in constructing the clutch components. Now I would love to own an old Lada motor car, seems to be an easily serviceable vehicle and very robust. Greetings from central Australia!
@raven4k9982 жыл бұрын
with a bathroom tile clutch?🤣
@mediocreman22 жыл бұрын
Flip that material around so the smooth side is facing the friction area. It's all about that surface area and spreading the load. The rough side down means only those little contact crosshatch points are making contact and that puts more stress on the entire disc.
@nathanwest23042 жыл бұрын
for the other disks try to rivet them properly and then machine them so they are perfectly flat I recon you need CBN or diamond inserts for that alternative would be to mount the angle grinder to the tailstock and machine it like that.
@lannyfullerjr69562 жыл бұрын
The one with wood disk and wood break pads was an awesome one too.
@RANDOMNATION9072 жыл бұрын
The dark spots are called hard spots. Inconsistency in the casting allows for uneven heating and if it gets hot enough, it tempers the iron in that spot.
@mohdhalimamat78772 жыл бұрын
Try it with fibre cement board, which can be riveted
@deksamtorrac65182 жыл бұрын
Cool! That worked pretty good. Hey, Garage54, try making a very fast compressor out of a V8 Engine, powered by another V6 or a V8.
@raven4k9982 жыл бұрын
no, a 4-cylinder motor should be plenty of power for the compressor🤣🤣🤣
@deksamtorrac65182 жыл бұрын
@@raven4k998 True, but the point is that the V8 is over the top fast and cool, could fill a huge tank up in seconds if they had 8 separate lines into the tank.
@deksamtorrac65182 жыл бұрын
@@raven4k998 Oh you mean to drive it... oh yeah that would work well for sure.
@davenhla2 жыл бұрын
I think if you would balance the assembly it would also hold up better, besides using high temp glue. The clutch has to spin fast, so if it is out of balance it will put big strain on the material.
@beahydrated2 жыл бұрын
It seems that shock load was what killed the ceramic. Taking out half of the springs in the centre of the clutch disc/clutch hub may make it softer on the porcelain. Im curious to see if they can revisit this and get this design to last
@falconater682 жыл бұрын
The springs mounted on the inner hub of the clutch plate cushion the clutch engagement. They work as a torsional vibration damper to absorb fluctuations in the engine's power delivery. As the springs work as dampers the power delivery is smoother and more linear than if there were no springs.
@beahydrated2 жыл бұрын
@@falconater68 Yes, Exactly my point
@Blanquart2 жыл бұрын
Great channel! I enjoy the original content keep up the great work.
@crooke802 жыл бұрын
Decorative side out and cut grooves to assist the bite, you don't need half the surface area with a ceramic clutch so you could try 4 or 6 pad like pucks instead
@markysspotlight24722 жыл бұрын
Great job Vlad! this one was awesome!
@javierzepeda44642 жыл бұрын
Robohut is right. They do have high heat adhesive. But that’s a pretty cool idea. I Love what Garage54 does with experimenting with different types of materials and objects.
@soman21982 жыл бұрын
i really enjoy watching every episode.. keep it up how about using brake pads as a clutch as it handles heat and pressure really well
@fryloc3592 жыл бұрын
They kinda did that once, but used a drum brake and shoes to make a centrifugal clutch.
@jamazonnewyork32212 жыл бұрын
wow not bad . You need a more solid metal disc to put the ceramic onto that wont flex. Thats why it burst. also some kind of lower surface around it for a clamp ring would help it stay together better , just around the edge of it.
@oxide321002 жыл бұрын
ceramic clutches , like ceramic brakes need heat putting into them to work fully, get it up to temp with hard driving first.
@joe125ful2 жыл бұрын
What about ceramic head spacer?
@OldCircuitGaming2 жыл бұрын
personally, i would try using ceramic for a riveted puck clutch since a full disc will expand and crack when it gets hot. also with regards the hot spots, as soon as any area gets hot the metal will begin to harden which makes it get harder than the softer metal around it and so it will generate more friction and get even hotter. so unless the clutch is perfect it will always have issues with hot spots
@anunentitledmotivatedmille7731 Жыл бұрын
I don't think metal gets harder everytime it's heated. I believe theres something called normalizing when you just let metal cool down regularly it goes down in hardness.
@Mikehawking-v5z Жыл бұрын
It could be the material behind it or inside the first spot material to heat up will expand quicker and make the rest of it cooler because it has less pressure on it
@memyselfandi39252 жыл бұрын
The hot spot on the pressure plate were there before it was machined. They can never be machined out,the metal has hardened and cant be cut out. Same in brake rotors too
@b1eechsnak3632 жыл бұрын
I believe the bluing happens because of high spots. when metal gets hot obviously it warps, and the intense heat causes bluing
@Karl_Kampfwagen2 жыл бұрын
Machine some grip grid on the top side, and try again. And you can use ceramic epoxy to affix the discs better
@Doggle4202 жыл бұрын
try stick them the other way round with the smooth surface for grip. oh and with high heat epoxy too!
@exvils4 ай бұрын
7:15 nope.. sachs performance pres. plate, ceramic clutch (5 spoke) and engagement is like stock, even more smoother as there is less travel..
@JohnDavis-ed5sg2 жыл бұрын
If you use the smooth side as the contact, you should get smoother engagement and larger contact area, while the ridged side should make a good glue surface if you use a high heat epoxy. Great try though!
@ericrichardson33322 жыл бұрын
The way they rivet those together is by having a bigger hole about halfway through or so and then the actual hole size in the center of the bigger one basically a counter sunk hole as to not let metal contact metal but as far as rivet size and material and pressure to squeeze rivet together not sure on that
@james107392 жыл бұрын
I think using the ones with holes and having some pins in to prevent spinning
@chriscorey50322 жыл бұрын
How about making a big lada camshaft choppy weld up the lopes then grind them down to spec
@davidjohnson65882 жыл бұрын
The platesare not even if you lay them flat you will see high and low sides across the tile ( warped thickness ) and that will cause what you see on the pressure plate. The expensive ceramic clutches are flat across the contact facing on both sides unlike floor tile that is made to be uneven to help level floors with low spots. If you plan on doing this again try to get the tile as even across the surface as you can ( with in 0.001 ) to keep flywheel and pressure plate happy ( even ware ).
@trainstractorscarsandtruck73622 жыл бұрын
I would say it has the burn marks where the clutch puts the most pressure from the springs.
@Universal.G2 жыл бұрын
"How do I apply this ceramic tile disc to the metal clutch plate?" Grout 😂
@TheRavnKnight2 жыл бұрын
tiles are not a uniform thickness after mounting you should check surfaces and grind flat ... very cool it worked thou :)
@harrygroen692 жыл бұрын
i have a serious good idea for the high compression engine i saw your video trying to make a lada engine run on single injection. You could make it multipoint injection and normal driveable using parts from an opel c14se or c16se engine found in astra's and corsa's from early '90's They dont have so much sensors and no startbreaker chip so easy to wire up. Its even possible to make individual throttle bodies for extra power. Parts you need: ECU + engine wiring + sensors + crankshaft pulley for ignition timing and the ignition itself Intake manifold with injectors fuel rail and so Fuel pump witch is found inside the tank I have an opel astra sportive 1.6 Si from 1993 with an c16se engine as a hobby and goes a bit over 100hp if you have questions just ask no, you wont get my car😂
@errantry4 Жыл бұрын
My guess about the spots on the pressure plate is that localized spots on the clutch disc get very hot during abuse, then, once the clutch is fully engaged the hot spot on the disk will be locked to one spot on the plate, and heat it, causing it to blue, like that.
@krisnadiimam45562 жыл бұрын
wow, that worked better than i had expected
@richardbrowne36412 жыл бұрын
This might catch on! It just needs to be refined. Ceramic brakes are made alittle different, but the material should be used.
@uzaiyaro2 жыл бұрын
That lada playing the one tyre fire trick was worth the clutch.
@brettscott37592 жыл бұрын
Haven't even finished and this is awesome 👏 I'm 1min into it
@roserado82282 жыл бұрын
Reading Berkshire in the u.k. has a car workshop called garage 34 ,with identical graphics,congratulations you are now so famous people are copying you thousands of miles away.
@jalicotjalicots72042 жыл бұрын
it is midnight here in SOUTH AFRICA and i just woke up to see this...............................
@thomasheer8252 жыл бұрын
Just wondering if the problem could have been the glue giving way and allowing the tile to bounce around and breakup? This gives me some ideas I want to try, thank you for the post is very interesting.
@rupe532 жыл бұрын
I suspect not all ceramics are good to the same temp and high heat ones are made different than bath tile. I also know they use a high heat bonding agent for brakes and it can be used for clutches as well. (hint: it's not super glue)
@thecanadiansteamengineer2822 жыл бұрын
I wonder how brass brake pads 🤔 would work on a car 🚗
@RDCST2 жыл бұрын
Brass is too soft.
@thewiseguy35292 жыл бұрын
Would melt lol 😂
@MrTheHillfolk2 жыл бұрын
Straight up brass ,nah, but the metallic pads I run shoot sparks during a panic stop. May as well have stopping power,being rotors are such junk and you replace them every time anyhow.
@memyselfandi39252 жыл бұрын
Brass would be gone fast. Now amco bronze that would be interesting to see
@djohnsto211 ай бұрын
That worked better than I expected. Maybe if you can find a way to machine the faces super flat after mounting them, it might grip and wear more evenly. Haha this was great.
@Davidautofull2 жыл бұрын
cut those holes out halfway through the disc , countersink them, then bolt the 2 discs together on the clutch plate with some special thin nuts and bolts. then retry.
@notme81212 жыл бұрын
Yes please try again by gluing the rough side and leaving the smooth side out.
@JesusisJesus2 жыл бұрын
A ceramic clutch should be a compound of brass and ceramic, and it needs to be balanced, with the clutch parts being “pucks” and drill the holes for rivets.
@gavincostello44682 жыл бұрын
Awesome job guys,the experiment wasn't bad,
@Jakefrc2 жыл бұрын
I daily drive a car with a ceramic clutch. Getting stuck in traffic is the worst. The clutch grips more and more the hotter it gets and it gets harder to drive off without spinning the wheels.
@shootingsportstransparency74612 жыл бұрын
In the 1970s I once had to drive a broken truck from North Africa to Western Europe, with a defective clutch. I then made clutch plates of plywood, and to my surprise I got home safely